Conversation 554-003

TapeTape 554StartWednesday, August 4, 1971 at 12:27 PMEndWednesday, August 4, 1971 at 1:43 PMTape start time00:58:13Tape end time01:58:34ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Kissinger, Henry A.;  [Unknown person(s)];  Connally, John B.Recording deviceOval Office

On August 4, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Henry A. Kissinger, unknown person(s), and John B. Connally met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:27 pm and 1:43 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 554-003 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 554-3

Date: August 4, 1971
Time: Unknown between 12:27 pm and 1:43 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     President's schedule

     News conference
         -Analysis of questions
              -Economy
              -People's Republic of China [PRC]
              -Vietnam
              -Pakistan
              -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
              -Conservative revolt
              -Busing
              -Benefit of infrequent news conferences
              -Spiro T. Agnew

              -Economy
                   -Arthur F. Burns
                        -President's defense
                              -Pay increase
              -PRC

    [Pause]

    Margaret Chase Smith
        -Conversation with Haldeman
              -Smith’s schedule
                    -Possible meeting with the President
              -President's schedule
                    -Possible trip to Bangor, Maine
                    -Conflict with Smith’s schedule
              -Haldeman’s call

    President's schedule
         -Meeting with ambassador Henry J. Tasca
                -Henry A. Kissinger
         -Trip to New York

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    Economy
        -Need to present administration position
              -Farm magazine editors
              -Opinion makers
        -William L. Safire

Kissinger entered at an unknown time after 12:27 pm.

     Press conference
           -Andrei A. Gromyko
                -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
                      -Conversation with Kissinger
                           -Reference
                -Meeting with the President
                      -Possible summit
           -Kissinger’s concern
                -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
           -Gromyko

     US foreign relations
          -Forthcoming meetings
               -Timing
                      -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] compared to PRC
               -Gromyko
                      -Talks with the President
                            -Invitation
               -USSR
                      -Possible pressure
                            -PRC
               -USSR
                      -Bilateral agreement
                            -PRC
          -Suggested letter
               -Leonid I. Brezhnev

     Press conference questions
           -Pentagon Papers
           -Agnew
           -Conservative revolt
           -United Nations [UN] vote
           -Vietnam
           -News bulletins
                -PRC
                     -Forthcoming trip by President
                           -Relationship to Vietnam
                -Economy
                     -Wage and price board

                  -Inflation
           -PRC
                -Trip
                -Vietnam war
           -Vietnam war
                -Negotiations
           -PRC
                -Trip
                      -Detente
           -Vietnam
                -Casualties
                -Impact of Cambodia, Laos operations
           -Economy
                -Vietnam

Vietnam War
     -Negotiations
         -North Vietnam
     -Hanoi's statements
         -PRC
                 -US
         -Le Duc Tho
     -PRC's statements
         -US military withdrawal
         -Kissinger's visit to Peking
                 -Nguyen Van Thieu

PRC
      -Possible purchases from US
            -Boeing 707's and 727's
            -Analysis
                  -Long-term expectations
            -Announcement
                  -Timing
            -Forthcoming trip by President
                  -Relationship
            -[Forename unknown] Burger [sp?]
            -Size
      -Prisoners
            -Edward M. Kennedy's statement
            -Possible release

                -Timing
                     -President’s trip
           -Kennedy’s statement
           -Chou En-lai
           -Kennedy
                -Possible administration response
                     -Public pressure

Kennedy
    -Pakistan
         -Refugees
    -PRC
         -United Nations [UN]

PRC
      -Forthcoming trips
            -Working group
            -Timing
      -President's press conference answers
      -Vietnam War
            -Importance as issue
            -Press conference
                  -Seven points
                  -President’s handling
      -Kissinger's actions
            -Press
                  -Scrutiny

Vietnam negotiations
     -Press
          -Speculation
               -Dobrynin

Democrats
    -1972 election
          -Statement of principles

Pakistan
     -William P. Rogers
           -State Department
           -UN meeting

               -Publicity
               -As spokesman
               -Television image
                    -Press conference
                          -Cameras
                               -William H. Carruthers
                          -Glasses
                          -Lighting

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    Rogers
        -PRC
               -Businessman’s reception
         -Administration
         -State Department
         -Pakistan

    President's schedule
         -Henry J. Tasca
         -John B. Connally

    Tasca
         -State Department
         -Capitol Hill

    Press conference
          -Vietnam negotiations
               -Seven points
                    -Helen Thomas

                           -New York Times
                -Established channels

     Soviet summit
          -Timing
          -Relationship to PRC trip
               -Timing

     Middle East
         -PRC
               -Chou En-lai
                   -Foreign policy briefing, May 1971
                         -USSR

Kissinger left at an unknown time before 1:43 pm.

     President's schedule
          -Tasca
                 -Schedule
                      -Foreign Affairs Committee
          -George P. Shultz

     Cabinet meeting
          -Alexander P. Butterfield
               -Blue-collar workers
          -Connally
               -Economy
          -Agnew
          -Connally
          -George W. Romney
          -John A. Volpe
          -Maurice H. Stans
          -Shultz
          -Duration

     President's schedule
          -Connally
                 -Forthcoming meeting
          -Shultz

     Economy

     -Press conference
          -Profits
     -Unemployment rate
          -Instructions to Charles W. Colson
                -Dan Rather
                -Frank Stanton
     - Nixon trouble theme
     -News reporting
          -Foreign policy as issue
                -Difficulty

President's schedule
     -National Business Council for Consumer Affairs
            -Meeting, August 5, 1971
                  -Location
                         -Indian Treaty Room
            -Commerce Department, Consumer League, Federal Trade Commission [FTC],
                  Food and Drug Administration [FDA], Anti-trust division of Justice
                  Department
            -Participants
                  -Donald S. Perkins
                         -Jewel Companies, Inc.
                  -Robert J. Keith
                         -Pillsbury Company
                  -Archibald McG. Foster
                         -Ted Bate and Company
                  -J. J. Riccardo
                         -Chrysler Corporation
                  -Edgar H. Lotspeich
                         -Proctor and Gamble Company
                  -Justin W. Dart
                  -Grant G. Simmons, Jr.
                  -Barron Hilton
                  -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
                  -Thornton F. Bradshaw
                         -Atlantic-Richfield Corporation
                  -V. J. Skutt
                  -Stuart D. Watson
                         -Dow Corporation
                  -Donald Hall
                  -Robert O. Aders

      -President's participation
            -Press coverage
            -Working paper
                  -Positives on economy
                  -Press coverage
-Bill signing
      -Appalachian Regional Commission
            -Economic Development Act extension
      -Jennings Randolph, John Sherman Cooper, Howard H. Baker, Jr.
            -Lockheed bill
-Baker
      -Political matters
            -John N. Mitchell
-Defense budget
      -Kissinger’s recommendations
            -Joint Chiefs of Staff [JCS], National Security Council [NSC], service
                  secretaries meetings
      -Kissinger
      -JCS
-Prime Minister of Malaysia, Tun Haji Abdul Razak bin Dato’ Hussain
      -Office call
      -Forthcoming trip, October 1971
            -Canada
            -UN General Assembly
                  -Speech
            -Rogers
                  -Luncheon
            -President’s role
                  -Meet and greet
-Office press conferences
      -Frequency
      -Connally
      -Frequency
      -Preparation
      -Television
      -Depth of answers
-Use of time
      -Forthcoming meetings
            -Cabinet meeting
            -Romney
            -James L. Buckley

                      -Farm magazine editors
                      -Reception for supporters
                            -Carl B. Albert
                            -Girls Nation
                            -Rudolph A. Peterson
                            -Environmental report
                -Office press conference
                      -News stories
          -Office press conference
                -Economy
                      -Blue-collar workers
                            -Herbert E. Kaplow
                      -Burns
                            -Request to see the President
                            -Transcript
                                  -William L. Safire
                                  -Peter G. Peterson
                                  -Safire
                                  -Peter Peterson
                                        -Bohemian Grove
                      -Peter Peterson
                            -Compared to Safire

     Personnel
          -Clifford M. Hardin
                -Future plans
                     -Rogers
          -Henry L. Bellmon
                -Bryce N. Harlow
                -Agriculture Department
          -Louie B. Nunn
                -Mitchell
                -Harlow's reaction
                     -Farm credentials
                           -Farm vote

     President's schedule
          -Connally
          -Peter Peterson

Haldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 12:27 pm and 1:43 pm.

[Conversation No. 554-3A]

[See Conversation No. 7-59]

[End of telephone conversation]

     President's schedule
          -Nunn
          -[Grand Teton National Park] ceremony
          -Speech preparation
          -Washington, DC
                 -Activity
          -Participation in park ceremony
                 -Rogers C. B. Morton
                 -[Illinois] State Fair
          -Defense budget
                 -Meetings
                        -NSC and JCS

Haldeman talked with Connally at an unknown time between 12:27 pm and 1:43 pm.

[Conversation No. 554-3B]

[See Conversation No. 7-60]

[End of telephone conversation]

     President's schedule
          -Connally
          -Signing activity
          -New Hampshire and Maine
          -New York
                 -Veterans of Foreign Wars [VFW]
          -California
                 -Yorba Linda
          -Park ceremony
          -Illinois and Ohio
          -Illinois State Fair
                 -Park
          -Dallas

          -Speechwriting
          -Illinois State Fair
                -Abraham Lincoln
                -Importance
                -Timing
                -Park
                -Governor [Richard B. Ogilvie]
                -Remarks
                       -Greetings
                -Park
                -Activity
                -Forthcoming meeting

Haldeman left at an unknown time before 1:43 pm.

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I don't know if it was Pakistan in question or did you open the whole time?
That's one thing that argues for having
infrequent press conferences so that when they do get at it, they have to concentrate on the big issues.
Whereas if you ask them every Friday, they'd know what you think about the economy, so they wouldn't be asking you about magnetism and busing.
Busing wouldn't have been that big of a shock.
Well, I asked them for that reason.
Well, no, I think they didn't get it.
Let me get out there.
Crank that nice.
Damn good twist.
Wow.
The way you tell it.
You invented records.
Played it very solidly.
Had the chap on the pay increase and on the position.
Stopped it.
It gives him a beautiful chance to come back in now if he decides he wants to.
Kept under the table, but you held his hand above the table.
I hate that.
I hate that regular reaction.
Oh, look at that spirit of his.
All right.
I talked to, uh... Margaret said she was just overdoing the...
I don't know, you know, she has to go up
So she will not go, but she would like to come back.
She would like to come back.
And I said, most please, if she can do that.
And she called back later and said, yes, that's what she would come back.
And she immediately said, we want to turn out everything.
She said it's a very good place to get some people to turn around that want to see the president when he lands.
So she couldn't have been more relaxed.
She said you had mentioned earlier that you hoped to get up there sometime this summer and she knew that she hadn't said any more about it.
She knew that you would let her know when the time came.
She was sorry it didn't work out to go up, but it didn't.
Yeah, she, it was good, it was good Mike calling her, I think, too.
She took it as a personal message and all that.
How about the other people that are here?
Haven't, don't have a look at that, I don't know.
Types, I guess they'll probably go.
Uh, in the church many of you see Tosca while he's here, which is, you might want to do it today.
It's this week that he's here.
He's been testifying.
You leave at 345 today.
They said she'd be ready to go to 345.
She's probably happy to have a reason to go.
I think the boys have gotten to get busy on, as I say, here we've got fire managing editors.
Not for me, I can't tell you too strongly that it's not for me, but our own people should work on the opinion makers on that.
in the economic field because there's just a lot of bullshit put out about this stuff and our guys aren't getting our lips in.
Act like we've got, what the hell are our spokesmen really doing about that?
They may be talking to the wrong people.
I don't know, a few singers, Jerry Rock.
We should act on it.
Looking at this schedule here, you did, because let me ask about this.
Can we put somebody, we've tried a Sapphire on that, and it isn't quite organized, apparently, but we got somebody to start working over there next time.
That's good.
Yeah.
I, uh, I thought it was a great, yeah, it was very, very well.
I, uh, did one thing.
I called to read it about the reference to Grameko, because it was a, yeah, secret.
And I said that you did this so that there couldn't be any embarrassment and so that they share.
So it didn't look as if you were turning them off.
That's why I said it.
And he was practically drooling.
He said the end of it.
strictest confidence in having a high-level meeting to decide a summit invitation.
It really kills me right now being wanted.
And I said, he said, what did the president say about summit invitation?
The only thing that bothered me is that we are not in a funny position that it is because so.
Yeah.
Well, that's a point of texture.
And concluded.
Well, I don't see how I can go to Moscow.
Well, what do you think, actually?
I think it would be.
I think it sets it up wrong.
Because that means peaking gets the last shot at us.
It would be a hell of a lot better to have Moscow hanging over Peking's head than Peking hanging over Moscow's head.
Peking is the one that we can't fail on.
Moscow has so many other reasons to get along with us.
And Moscow is no longer separate.
Peking...
I think it would be better off having Peking with Moscow hanging over their head.
with the fear that we might be dividing them up with Moscow.
And, uh...
I think it's much better to go to Moscow after the meeting.
Well, I don't care to deny it, should I?
I don't know if I say it.
The leaders of both sides... Yeah.
Right.
Now, the only part that bothered me was mentioning a conversation with Rumi,
Gromyko from St. Edison.
Quite what happened, I brought him an invitation, which would have brought an invitation, and they didn't fix the date.
But I think they're so sovereign now.
I'll pick it up and present now, Mr. President.
In my view, it's not whether they'll have a meeting, but
But they'll try to stampede us into one.
In order to shoo the Chinese?
Yeah.
That's what it is.
If we go to Moscow to sign a bilateral agreement, besides, we've told the Chinese we wouldn't do it now, before evening.
That was one of the messages we sent them, to tell them that we'd set you to go on the order, and that you were the last.
But you said that today.
No, you said it would not be appropriate to go to Peking first.
You said it.
Don't you think, Bob?
That was very clear.
And do you remember I told you that he had mentioned that a letter from you to President might be a good idea that I've drafted one?
I told him there may be one, and he was practically drooling.
He said, well, I'm not supposed to be drooling.
If you press it, there's a lot of drive, and you're not driving on the line.
He committed himself to good relations.
Reaction.
Reaction.
You get it.
I don't think it's a big issue.
I think our case is very good.
They didn't ask about the Pentagon Papers.
They didn't ask about Agnew.
They didn't ask about, you know, all the things.
They didn't ask about the conservative revolt.
They didn't ask about the vote in the U.N.
They say they're off balance.
And what they asked about Vietnam was really trivial.
The leader's turn.
He said the day could be worked out in the next two or three months.
I thought that was a good way to put it.
Worked out.
Two bulletins were Nixon cautioned today as talks in China will not lead to an immediate end of the war, and Nixon said today he did not favor Wade's price board.
A motion in place to refrain the power of his office to bear and never see the industry complete negotiations.
Settlements are responsible.
You didn't say it wouldn't lead to an immediate end of the war.
You said you wouldn't.
That's what he said.
He cautioned today that they will.
Okay, I said, you know, I didn't put it that way.
I was very careful.
Well, that's the way it is.
Here, they've got a bet.
That's the bulletin.
Here it is.
And the lead is, President Nixon said that if they persist, he can be worked out in the next two or three months.
He said both he and the Chinese would be prepared to discuss all topics of mutual interest in a 45-minute news conference over office.
The President declined to speculate on what effect his unprecedented visit might have on ending the war.
So that couldn't be better.
That's what they want.
We want them to agree.
Until it moves to ending it, his administration is very actively pursuing negotiations and ending Vietnam's conflict within established channels.
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Since both the peoples of Republic of China and the United States have no illusions about the White House separating the two on many issues, the express open meeting lead from an era of confrontation about communication to an era of negotiations and discussions.
When the conflict in Vietnam said U.S. forces there had now moved into defensive positions, he said U.S. casualties in the past two weeks were minus 12 each week compared to a weekly rate of 300 when he took office.
We are frankly just defending areas that you occupied in a steady point of casualties.
The enemy's forces also have been reduced, and the enemy doesn't have much punch anymore, and as a result, the Allied thrust in the supply areas can't move in line.
Then they go into the economy.
But I thought of this issue as well, in the version of, you know, just about this, this little sniping around.
Someone's slinging around about why the hell are we doing something about being conscious?
Because I agreed with God damn well when I was that we have something with that boyfriend.
And I, you know, somebody was doing something, and I just wouldn't speculate over it.
We have to be careful not to trick it.
There's no reason to make him to put him in a... Maybe.
Not if you've got so out of town.
I don't know.
No, not as long as that.
No?
What is it that they put him out?
It's not going to be a hell of a regal juga, too.
Well, incidentally, we have Hanoi leveled another glass at Peking today.
They must have done something to them, because... What did they say to them today?
Well, they warned Peking against American purgatory and American...
They shouldn't be taken in by American sweet words.
And now this is two days after Li Dazhou has been injured in Peking.
And I told you about the difference in the communique out of Moscow and Peking.
Now, Peking made another statement today saying they favored the complete withdrawal of American forces from Vietnam.
Well, that we told them we were going to do.
But they have never yet said, since I was there, that they favored the overthrow of Tu, which is fascinating.
And also they have...
begun discussions about 50 Boeing 707s and 50 Boeing 727s.
China has approached our people.
Now that is again interesting, Mr. President, because A, it helps us in the short term.
But also it shows something about their expectations for the long term, because they will place an order that it will take several years to fill.
If they didn't fill it out, well, we will get it out within a few days.
Oh, no, they've coached Boeing.
But we'll get out.
Or they approached somebody to approach Boeing.
But it looks like it threw him off.
I want to check it out.
And it will get out within a week.
And that would be considered a dividend of the trip, you know?
Of course.
And if it happens now, it doesn't make any difference.
If they murder them, say it's because of the trip.
Well, that's a hell of an order.
50 707s.
Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
$10 million apiece.
Well, we have to check that out a bit.
That's what it is.
It's a very substantial order.
And, oh yeah, that will be considered a dividend of the trip.
And here Kennedy is yapping again about releasing the prisoners, the four prisoners.
Well, everything that he asked us to do, we've already done.
Not yet, but I also think we will.
I think they're going to release one or two of them before you get there.
They are in a tough spot.
They can't do too much right away.
They're defending themselves now against attacks.
What was Kennedy saying?
Did he say, why didn't we... No, he said apparently the only thing standing in the way is that we have not acknowledged that they were justly condemned.
I mean, he issued a call for, he said the Chinese, the administrators should demand that the Chinese release the president.
They should work out the release of the president.
By acknowledging what they have done, that there was a just process.
Well, this is exactly the basis on which I put it.
We are not questioning your legal procedure.
Why are you finally appealing on this?
Well, but why don't we wait a month to see whether they release the prisoners?
I don't think we are under public pressure now.
Yeah, but then he's doing so much to Pakistan in the process that I'm getting really...
I think they're not moving fast from letting people in.
Oh, yeah, about 3,000 pounds.
by the end of September, we can announce the US next visit to Beijing, and out of that will come the death.
And actually, what would be spectacular, but I don't even want to... Well, you have already told them, they already know, they know that Beijing is not, will not be surprised.
No, you have no problems with PK.
In fact, everything you said today was very helpful with PK.
I think we have a 50-50 chance of getting this statement.
We have really got this press conference.
You watch this and you get their goddamn talk about why aren't we answering the seven points and why aren't we negotiating and so forth.
Just laying right out there.
I think it's just as well that you see.
It's nice to surprise them.
It's also nice now then to be a little tough and warm.
That was a goddamn tough statement.
I guess it's always well to let them know.
Yeah, it just depends.
I don't know how much they'll elicit when they start snooping, but no one knows anything.
Listen, if you're watched like a hog, then you're just going to... No, my procedures are infallible.
They can't find me.
Besides, beyond their imagination that I'm destroying this.
I think that's right.
I think it's kind of like telling you you're completely safe on that decision.
They probably think we're going through the cleanup.
That's what I was part of.
We're asking for a savage chance.
The record is a good one.
That's all I can say.
But I think we've... See, when I look at it from their point of view, Mr. President, if they really think they have a shot at the election, then they ought to sign the Statement of Principles.
It will improve their election chances.
On the other hand, it will improve our domestic position.
This is the trade-off.
And they will give us more staying power.
So that's what they have to, that's what they have to weigh.
You know, one thing that's good here, you've got, I think we've got Robertson sitting in my signal.
Oh, he keeps working on putting in a Pakistan relief thing.
Keep the dam safe.
I think it's going to the U.S. is an excellent idea.
Oh, yeah.
Well, Bill has figured out that he can get more publicity following your orders and my suggestions.
and following the dead-end streets of this.
I think that finally penetrated on him.
I think that's right.
Plus, he's more interested in projecting himself more as a spokesman.
He sees that he gets that one.
He died a long time the other day after his press conference.
So I was a little worried about my TV picture there.
He said, I want to get that worked out right, because I can do a lot of these much more effectively.
He said, I noticed the president's camera is head-on, and my cameras are on the sides.
So I said, well, Bill Carruthers ought to work with you on that, and spend some time on that.
He said, well, you've done a good job for me on the makeup and all that.
I still have a problem with my glasses.
Now, how does the president, how can he read without his glasses?
Because my picture's bad with the glasses, too.
Okay, so how do I read it?
It's about having a good light and having it tight to the right.
My meaning of light in my mind is not basically this, you know, is not being tight.
I didn't say big, I said tight to the right.
It's getting set up tight very hard, but you may not be able to see it that way.
That's right.
You know, he told me the other day he went to a businessman's reception, and he said a lot of people came up to him and congratulated him on the China policy, and he said that...
So he feels that he'd rather be with us, to put it that way, than fighting a guerrilla war with these Turks he's got over there.
I mean, he told me this morning...
He said he'd met with his people and he was on Pakistan.
He was shocked.
He came to the same conclusion we had, namely, he said they all want to make a political solution.
He said they don't even know what a political solution is.
Which is right.
Right.
You're going to try to speak to us today before you go.
I guess we could run it down as well.
Okay, I mean, let's try that.
Is that the best we can do?
On your, should we try to do it?
Do you want to do it or do you want to do it?
I really don't want to get in trouble, rather than Toscan.
I've got to beat him.
I can see Toscan all day.
Toscan.
Well, it means to be a little bit tough enough.
They've been beating him silly in the State Department and on the Hill.
But hey, I call him.
I'm so pleased with him.
I'll bet you Henry, I'll let you mind, they don't ask you about Vietnam for a while.
But he's supposed to be seeking out life.
Why don't you respond to the seven-point peace proposal?
What the hell is this?
Who was that?
Was it Helen?
She was like, you probably read it.
...because we cut nine points, which states that we're better than the Senate.
But the whole point is just as well create every time we have an opportunity or a mystery.
That's right.
And we're doing this.
There are established channels.
Just be careful.
We're not doing some things you don't see.
We're established channels.
Always.
That's a very good line.
Established channels.
I'm not going to discuss it further.
Just pop a knife in the jaw and never say another word.
The major problem we'll have now is
to fight off the Russian summit until next spring.
Say hello to the Russians.
That's good.
That's a proper Richard, isn't it?
Oh, yes.
If we can play it right, if we can go to a meeting with Moscow, in our pocket, in fact,
It will help a lot after talks on the agenda if we know that we got the Moscow one.
Then if we set the date for D-Day.
And a month later announce the date for Moscow.
Yeah.
Because there won't be anyone who can open his mouth until it's 72 or 45.
Ah, yeah.
Okay.
And that will also fire down the Middle East.
Because they won't do it as a conflict.
They're going to be true and lie as an intrusive dictator.
I'll toss it basically on 15 minutes now.
I don't have any time to talk about this.
Okay.
Well, maybe at 2.30, before she's 15 minutes in.
Yeah.
Maybe at 3.25, so we'll have time.
All right.
I think he has to go, too, because I think he's at 1.30 at 4 o'clock.
Well...
And Schultz was under the impression he wanted to see him today, too.
He thought he wanted some time with him on Wednesday morning.
Oh, that's about right.
Let's have a talk about that.
It will save you very time today.
You guys know who to look for.
It's Alex Gaines.
There's a crazy bunch of things he's gonna have something.
You have new collar workers and all that crap.
I was still trying to get something out of everyone.
Well, at least he didn't have economy talk to him.
That's the kind of thing to do.
He gives it for 10 minutes.
Somebody else, he had to put the BP on first, try to put him off for 15 minutes.
He had 15 minutes.
They would call him.
They'd call him 15 minutes, the BP 15 minutes.
Those are two of the subjects.
Now, for Christ's sake, you're not wrong.
They don't need to report on their church.
See?
That's the other problem.
They're both coming from churches.
It stands true.
And then go on from there, what?
He had one other thing that shows that something.
He had to discuss about it.
Try to get it through in an hour.
Yeah.
Well, that's the idea.
And just to come back to today, why don't we just say, I'll see you in a minute.
See my colleague come over and he said, just read around.
2, 2.30.
2 or 2.30.
Yeah.
And I will work the goals in after I've got a chance to get the company out of the way.
I like it.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, they led right into a point anyway, because they talked about the prediction.
But I didn't put it in terms of every month of the operations and all that sort of thing.
Looking down the road, it feels kind of creepy.
5.8.
That's good.
Well, I was afraid it won't be 6.
It won't be played with.
But I know that I was afraid it was going to be 6, even the way we ran it.
Or rather, I knew it was going to be 5.8 information.
It was saying 6 all the time.
5.8 is...
How can you make a note of ketosis?
You really want to kick around his ass on that.
He's been predicting it.
And he's got to report that it's less.
Correct.
Despite the ketosis, he says CBS is doing better.
I was under-reading that one, because rather than go all out and say it's 5.8, which is substantially less than this reporter predicted,
You've just got to put it right on.
That's where you've got to hit stand and just say, this is one where, you know, don't give us this bullshit about the good coverage of the tea parties.
That's right.
That's right.
The economy is the thing that counts.
Let's see how you hang the line.
That's right.
Think about the economy.
As I say, you've got to really get the feel of the whole.
It's the whole orchestrated deal.
It's what you call the next in the trail deal.
We've got a thing here.
Tomorrow, that is, it's accidental, the timing, they're having the organizational meeting of this National Business Council for Consumer Affairs that you set up.
I just wondered if maybe you, no, you don't have to.
It's over in the Indian Treaty Room, but it's, yeah, it's under the Commerce Department and it's tied to our consumer lady and the Federal Trade Commission and the FDA.
antitrust.
It's getting all those people together, but it's I'm astonished to do they've got coming.
And that's why you might want to do it.
Because they've got Don Perkins from Jewel, Keith from Pillsbury, Foster from Ted Bates, Ricardo, the president of Chrysler, Bob Steak of Procter & Gamble, Justin Dart, Edison, Barron Hill, Hope Roots,
Bradshaw, Lankwood, Steele, Scott, Lamont, Stewart, Watson, John Hall, Hallmark, Bob Ager, I'll go by if there is to be.
Oh, hell no.
If you do it, there should be no press.
I think all you should do is go in and just say, you're done.
This administration is going to be a working paper.
And tell them to get out.
What they have, let's talk about how good the job is and take a look at a lot of the checkers and talk so that I have a little advantage on it too, you know.
That I'm not here to run about American business and American villages.
Anyway, well, you've got to keep your money.
Give me a little something to my gas bill.
There's no reason on that when they had the president.
The best thing we've done about this is cut the goddamn president's time.
Yes, sir.
And then they would like to do a bill signing, which you probably should do on the Economic Development Act extension in the Appalachian Regional Commission.
This is the one that replaces the one you vetoed.
And it ties to the Senators would be Randolph, Cooper, and Baker, who are all the way with us on Lockheed, and the veto, and then the Governors from the U.
That's what you can do, Baker, and I want to be sure of those options.
I don't know.
I'll be sure he has some.
On the defense budget energy
is recommending, everybody's recommending that you meet with the Joint Chiefs before the NSC meeting where they lock it up and they meet with the service secretaries afterwards to get, you know, let them express their views and get them in line.
Well, there is a time.
Because the worst thing he does is question matters.
Yeah.
He just can't bring himself to.
I think you've got to do it at least a touch.
I've got to do it both.
I agree.
We're still not grappling with that spike.
Can we commit to an October just office call by the Prime Minister of Malaysia?
I don't believe so.
He's making an official visit to Canada, and then he's giving a speech at the General Assembly.
He's only going to drop into Washington for one day to call on you.
Rogers will host a luncheon, but they don't want you to do any social images to me.
All right.
There might be something to be said about having that a little more often.
They don't take a lot out of me in terms of preparation.
They don't take a lot out of us this time.
which doesn't really help your schedule out too badly.
And you can do them.
If you did it once a little more frequently, you wouldn't have to take nearly that much time.
You could do it 20 minutes on end.
No.
Those are the major questions.
It's pretty hard.
I like to have a few people in the locker.
And then I can talk to them.
And they're not cut off.
They're not cut off.
And it's no more work.
You have to prepare for this.
That's it.
We all are, but it's what I prepare for.
Just as much on one as on the other.
Well, TV, you have to work more.
Oh, yes.
Because you've got to get different kinds of answers put together.
You've got to work out each answer.
It has to be a finally called answer.
Yeah.
so that you can get on one shot in one and a half minutes, or at least you can take time to construct your answer.
And when you've been talking about the subject, you have to be more philosophical about it.
And actually, we did the time we should have been supporting each other.
We figured, for example, the use of time gets back to the three questions.
What is the best use of time?
Exerting leadership, I mean, exertions of leadership.
For example, the next two days, I'm just going to be wasting my time.
I mean, it really is a waste of time.
Yes, sir.
Secretary Donovan, Senator Buckingham, Farm Magazine editors, receptionist supporters, those are all just doing it for other people.
Yes, sir.
Every one of them gets money out of the car.
Robert's an ass kiss.
The Curbless Nation's an ass kiss.
Rudy Pierce has got a passion for that.
He's a buyer.
I'll report.
Well, maybe.
You know, they're all sort of things we're doing as defensive.
You're right.
You're right.
At the end of the day, this is not a waste of time.
I mean, however it comes out, the president's speaking out on something.
Oh, and it will come out.
The one that will be confused will be the economy.
That's deliberately.
I mean, I'm deliberately confusing the wage prices because I don't know what I'm going to have to do.
But they've got that simple point.
Capital, I wondered if anybody could pick up that simple one, the blue-collar workers.
Could you?
You just kind of flipped it as you went by, and that was Gapel, wasn't it?
Coming back in and sounding like him.
Burns has been, you know, groping around a few episodes trying to get word in.
Of course, he wants to come in and see you, and patch things up as he puts it, but hold no need.
I'll tell you what, if you want to call it a sentence and say, no, no, say that it's come up to my attention, that I won't be there to make an argument.
I want to get someone to get this transcript to an election, not to read the newspaper account, but to read the line work and how I want answers.
I volunteer.
I volunteer.
It's not going to be the day I think.
I might have Sapphire, because Sapphire, as you know, has been going on as a go-between.
with him before, and I wonder if that's good.
Well, he's asked Bill to come and see him.
I wouldn't have sinned, though, but Pete built a back with him in the drill.
That's right.
I just sort of thought that Pete could, also, Pete is more important to us than Santa Barbara, in terms of, and as far as more judgment on him.
You know what I mean?
Oh, yeah.
Pete is judged by, you know,
The clip art thing, he apparently is sort of, according to Bill, has developed a little reluctance because his terms with this company aren't quite as good as he thought they were going to be.
He kind of needs to leave here and all that.
But Bill says, I'm sure he's still going to, and he's trying to get all sevens online that he thinks would be asking for employment.
Very simple.
So Bill will play along with it.
I told Bryce to hold off on that for Swing Bell and any further that you were more concerned with the Senate seat really than you were with the Every Question is Correct.
And also, I said there's, I wanted to slow down the whole project.
I said there's some questions about this that we can go through.
So, he said, well, he said, do you know who the attorney, you know, John Mitchell is pushing for this?
And I said, who?
And so he thinks that Willie Nunn ended up, so he, apparently John had already talked with him about the Willie Nunn thing, and Bryce said, I think that would be a total disaster, because he's got absolutely no farm credentials at all, and would do you no good where you need it, which is politically amongst the farm vote.
I'm not sure that's true, but Bryce, that was his sure and immediate reaction, he said,
I thought none of these superb catacombs were a hell of a guy as a salesman, but not as a farmer.
He has been a farmer, that's the point.
I've worked with farmers.
Anyway, I wasn't going to raise that for Christ's sake.
I didn't know where it was going to float, but he raised it with me.
Why don't you get something over here?
Did that call him?
Did you get a call from him?
I want to see if that could work out.
Do you think it did?
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Okay.
Sorry.
Uh... Well, yeah, that's it.
Yeah, that'll be fine.
Let's get out of here.
I didn't, I don't know whether you wanted to discuss the 18th story.
Are we loading up too much?
I don't know.
That's it.
The short of the problem I've got is whether I want to rush out there.
I'd much like to go to the park then.
Of course, I can prepare the speech show before I go.
All right.
Now that I've dealt with you,
Everything's pretty well closed down here anyway.
You don't need to know how long I've gone back into Washington for a day.
I don't think doing a part is an overwhelmingly important thing to do.
That's the problem.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe it's better to come back to it, leave that day open.
We'll come to speech, get things cleaned up here, you know, and just go on, rather than trying to... Perhaps it's the defense budget business, you know, whether we get all that...
The med study on Thursday.
That's all right.
All right, thank you, sir.
Yeah, I see.
We'll do the joint teaching before that.
Mr. Secretary, I presently wondered if it would be more convenient for you to meet at 2 or 2.30 this afternoon rather than trying to do it Friday morning.
Or if that's a problem for you, Friday, which is it?
Okay, what's the best time for you?
2 o'clock?
Okay.
Yeah, set it for that.
Very good, sir.
Yeah, he said that's fine.
Two o'clock would be better than me.
I think so, he's ready to get off.
Well, let's see, let's go into Hampshire, go into Maine.
I think we're doing it up.
I think that we are, we have done that.
And, uh... What is it that you call it?
Melinda?
It has some pizzazz with the barcodes and, uh...
Part of it is to see what we put together.
Let me maybe run that out under, so far we don't have any.
If it could be, I tell you, I think maybe they don't know anything.
We know, you know, the reason I asked you for a report on those Ohio and other things is to just see the impact these tickets have.
The Ohio impact is tremendous.
Yeah, and Illinois, you'd get an impact with just pictures, there's no question.
President, this is a safe area.
The enormous picture coverage is a big pain in the ass.
If there were a way, a place to stay there.
Well, a place to stay, no.
Well, you can stay at that damn motel, but the other thing you could do is go do that in the morning.
That makes the news.
And then go do the park.
Go over to Illinois, do that, go out and do the park.
Send a night to the park and go down to Dallas the next morning.
Maybe we'll just do that for us.
I mean, I think that you can find work, but have it in mind that I don't want to have any bed in the apartment.
I don't want to have to eat with anybody or anything.
You know what I mean?
I've got to work on my speech the next day, but just have an hour screwing around in the apartment, having a quiet dinner and going on.
So you can help me do that.
Yeah.
We can get you that private house probably and just look around.
We're a little better.
We're in a better state.
You've got to work.
and the Illinois affair.
I'm afraid the real problem there, and I guess you can't get away from it, is that you can't go unless you speak.
And if you do, I suppose I can figure out some goddamn number.
But if you don't speak, you say nothing.
You do the same thing as I said, frankly, except without the stuff about the statistics, just to say the same thing.
This is a great event, people are here in the heartland, and this is good people from Lincoln.
Going to that fair, you're damn right, and it would in downstate Illinois, and it's a, and being the state fair, you tie in the whole state.
If anybody would be there, I'd prefer a crowd of Illinois to be in the park, you understand?
So I'd have them nip, nip, nip.
I'd clip on off to the park.
They're likely to get one hell of a crowd there.
Build up the governor so that it's Governor's Day.
I'll speak to the tenants.
I'm listening to a major address.
Greetings.
I can't call it a great greeting.
I'm listening to a major address.
I'm listening to a major address.
I'm listening to a major address.
I'm listening to a major address.
Let me put that thing together and see if it, and then just frankly go to the park to spend the night.
The purpose of that would be just to spend the night and see the beautiful water, far west.
There's something to it, I mean, come on, you actually have four minutes in a row.
There's something to having what looks like a real spurt of activity.
in that week, you know, it was kind of, you really rolled your way across the country, which you sure as hell did.
Sure.
Before we're digging on.
Okay.
All right.
Science.
Now let me get you a bottle.