Nixon, Haldeman & Bandaranaike on Supreme Court appointments

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I'm sure it has.

I'm sure, yeah.

Express their views.

You told them, no, there should be no more discussion about what happened.

Yep.

Not an algorithm.

Hit it right there.

You know, remember, we get one.

That one today, we ought to be able to find somehow.

And you saw it, actually.

Yeah.

And that's, you know, some of them, there ought to be.

What did you say to somebody?

The press officer.

He said a White House spokesman.

What did he say?

I think that was the word.

We may come up with a whole surprise here if we can keep these people shut.

If we can't, I'm sure it's not worth the least bit of your spirit.

But I had a recommendation.

Now I had a call for him.

It's a call.

I wanted to express the disappointment of many Californians that Deidre Sloan was, he called it Deidre Sloan, just being even considered for the Supreme Court.

He was on the other side of the record.

He was foreign.

He used very strong language to denounce Judge Lilley and her husband.

So I met Ace Call, opposed to moving the bill in.

He calls people names.

Yeah, I've been, he seems pretty upset again.

He rattles around a lot.

Look, if the American part proves it, we'll point it.

We're getting right on it.

Apparently Walter Johnson, well, you don't know.

He played it right out.

They ought to be really taking responsibility for it.

He said to me, sir, I'm the chairman.

I've got to work on it.

Don't tell anybody.

I said, God damn it.

I said, don't worry about it.

I said, yesterday I had a point.

I hate to do it, but I don't know how to talk to John about the Hoover thing.

I have.

But we just must, as best as the way the staff knows it, they can think about this.

Of course, they're interested.

They're afraid all they're going to say when they look back at how you've worked in Congress, well, they don't trust Mitchell.

Don't worry.

We are looking down every avenue this time.

Mitchell knows.

He's going to get bit twice.

Not on this one.

What are you stressing?

I have a lot of pretensions.

Stress is, you know, his concerns and his recommendations and his propositions.

He's got his names in it.

Charles has got his.

He's got his.

I think I like what everybody wants.

Some don't want one and some do.

I mean, some just want one.

Yeah.

It's a funny thing, he got a very mixed thing up with the Orioles.

I don't know what called the answer.

He had a husband too, so he may have something.

Well, the Orioles, that's what I've been told.

I don't know that he is, personally.

It really just depends on whether they do a reasonably good job.

It's very distressed.

That's it.

The plaque they've been trying to present to you for two years, we've turned them off three times.

This is the child's name.

No, it's not a word.

I saw this one, I guess, just by name.

You don't think 15 at all?

Sure.

All of these should be done by Pat and by Abe, and try to build them up, but not me anymore.

I don't think there's anything Dan can do for us.

It's a power of your trade, and it's a power of your full-on, especially your support of volunteers.

That's appreciated for your support of volunteers.

We do need, they're really pumping on the people thing on your boards still.

They're set now on the pay board, they're set with this Judge Bolden from Tacoma as the chairman.

And they have now the problem of one remaining public member and everybody on your approved list has declined.

They feel that this is a spot that should be, if possible, filled with an identifiable Democrat.

All right.

The present members are Weber, Jacoby, and Capels, plus Mr.

Folk.

All right.

They have come up with the strong recommendation for active audience reasons of putting Kermit Gordon on it, who's President of Brookings.

and the idea being that it traps them.

Their second choice would be Robert Solow, Professor of Economics at MIT, who was head of Kennedy's CDA staff.

Their third and our second is Robert Turner, who's Professor of Economics in Indiana, who was a member of the CDA.

He would be better.

I would take the county's fat man if you would join me after 7 o'clock.

The floor is Harold Leveson, professor of economics at Michigan University.

For the two remaining business members, they're all right.

Mike Bennett is accepted at McCollum.

They think he will serve the people of Patagonia.

Now the price commission, Jackson Grayson of SNU has agreed to serve as chairman.

Alan Spivey has declined.

And they're now going to either Fred Weston or Robert Lanzalotti.

I thought they were going to Scranton.

They have Scranton.

Scranton is accepted.

Scranton, Queen and Coleman.

Serena Whitman, the woman.

Wilson Newman.

For now, fairly good shape on the regional.

spread all the way down to the Midwest, South, Southwest.

One man who could be a highly intelligent man to have the time.

I mean, I don't think it serves his interests.

I don't think it serves his interests.

probably an arch control thing, but he'd do very well on the Brexler.

It takes you this long on a string, too.

Far and fast, I can do.

I don't need to do some kind of surgery.

It's hard to do a few things.

The possibilities of the first thing, where it goes, follow that, right?

If you want to do the highest one,

Paul Powell for the moment.

We'll ask him for a reason.

We'll know him today on campus.

On NATO, did you get into that?

I was looking at all the people.

Because our list now is text on number one, if you want to try.

And Henry Hillen, number two.

Mr. Cook.

I am going to be a more sophisticated person.

That's right.

Rather than a more of a business side.

Yeah.

Okay.

I think we'll do something.

Maybe we have to leave it now for the moment.

I just didn't know whether it was possible, but he ought to go.

He ought to go.

This is a good time to have him go.

He's got a candidate.

Well, for him, it would be a possibility.

Rudy Peterson.

I don't think we're going to get him.

Yeah, but he could be.

He could be shifted.

That is important.

That's where we're going to get going, I think.

I think we're getting ourselves trying to get into government because of the money problems.

But he'd be ambassador to Japan.

He'd be ambassador to Japan.

Any good?

It is their understanding, it's CAP, I'll check with CAP again to be sure.

It's their understanding, but your Google on CAP's mental, you said I agree with CAP.

the interpretation of that where he, because he said an announcement now of canceling Apollo 16 and 17 would have a very bad impact.

I agree.

They said that you were going to cancel 16 and 17 now.

Okay.

You do want to cancel 16 and 17.

I do want to cancel that.

And then do other phases.

Do you want to call this point of coupling the announcement with the thing that we're going to fund space shuttles and air builders and traffic like that?

Are you ready to do it?

Sure.

You see Bob, your analysis there is so correct, I just don't think we should take the risk of a possible goof-off and a damn thing.

You agree?

Well, and especially, you've got one scheduled for right when you're going to be bouncing around the world, and to be out in China and have a space problem would be a real disaster.

The other thing you can do is postpone.

And that takes time.

and then cancel the bargain.

Well, see if we wanted to do that.

Postpone and then cancel.

If you can get away with it.

But it may be that that involves too much of a money problem.

And if not, we'll just... Maybe they can still shoot him before the election.

That's right.

No shots in 72.

Correct.

Okay.

You had shot a little while back on Italians, and we've got some more pretty good things.

Well, we've got several.

We have to put a Democrat on the NICC, and we'll use an Italian there.

We can put one on the Service Academy Board of Visitors, which is a good one.

Would you please call on me about turning off the M1?

Oh, yeah.

Remember, that's what the purpose is.

I have a pen in the head, so it's a good one.

So, yeah.

All right.

Covered all that up there.

My public broadcasting, they have not been just sitting...

It's getting worse.

It is getting worse.

And they're making a monumental effort to try and figure out a way to get legislation to change it, which is the only way they can change it.

They feel that they can't do it.

And what they've come up with now is to, well, we can.

We can squeeze it.

It's just what we're going to do.

Plus squeezing Macy, who runs it, the head of the staff man.

Plus, mobilizing the only two guys on any team on the board that we have are Jack Rather and Tom Moore, the ABC guy that was with us in the campaign.

He talked to Rather last night.

He was at that theater thing.

And Rather agreed to go to work.

What we're going to do is try to create a scandal

in public broadcasting on the basis of their subsidizing of these, uh, leveling commentators and the, the, you know, to make some horror stories out of some of the things they're doing and say that this is inappropriate use of public funds and, you know, make a stirrup in the, within the board.

Then, we do this with chargements.

Flanagan, Mainland, and Colston.

County and Colston are working as a team on it.

So much they have to do to get somebody to give us that sort of, uh,

I know, man, it's...

It's just part of the old, uh, squeeze the information more than that.

Uh, that's, that's what they're, what they're going to do is, is, uh, I don't even buy a percent cut in half.

Trying to pull them out of the network business, too, so that all their money is, is, you're not going to leave them.

It's, uh, it's a very central thing.

Good.

That's good.

On California unemployment, you can't ask me anymore.

Well, we can.

It's a matter of just keeping pressure on my people.

I know it's hard.

The California jobs program is, we've got an interim report here, and they now project 74,000 direct jobs in California by fall of 72.

And with the conservative multiplier, this is 111,000 jobs, which is 11,000 more than our goal was 100,000.

And we've got the breakdowns to DOD and other funds and water resource.

and all that stuff, and Fred Boyd's working out there and all that.

John Rose has been monitoring it.

He says that he, that's his official report to you through planning at Weinberg, and he sent Rose a report in to me, and he says that it's a question

that this has accomplished a fair amount, but he says several hundred million dollars in federal spending is going to reduce to two billion dollars that's lost by reduced EOD contract awards.

And therefore, as a political matter, he says he thinks we ought to spend more money.

Any additional spending will run into resistance from OMB.

The question is whether you want to screw up, you know, go ahead and do it.

That was a kind of thing.

What he's suggesting, he says, you have two options.

You can take this and I want to write well done on it and send it back there waiting for your reaction.

Or...

I can send a memo to Schultz or Weinberger for both saying that you're pleased with the results to date, that you think they're insufficient to accomplish the objective you want.

A supplemental appropriation package or something like that.

They won't do it.

They won't do a supplemental and you don't want one.

But it will stir them up to do other things and find alternatives to get more stuff in as Rose is starting to...

The Robert Allen interview, the appointment that you have on Thursday afternoon, is the guy that is doing the article on Nixon's military career for Reader's Digest.

He's the one that's been working with the Scaf people.

He was the Marine Captain with Scaf.

And he has a lot of reminiscence tapes from Chick Dyer and Flux.

some of the others.

Jesus Christ, I just can't do that.

I have no time.

All right.

If I were to remember all that, why would you still have to do it without you?

I think so.

He's pretty nice, isn't he?

Yeah.

He's pretty nice.

Yeah.

I don't think so.

No.

Letting you talk to Rose, or somebody around here who knows what the hell I was in the service of.

I just can't do it anymore.

I'm not gonna do it anymore.

And that other time I remember is in the service, you know, self-serving and so forth.

It's not that, it's not that.

That other one, Ruth Boss is a,

It's not an interview, it's a quick in and out.

She is the editor of a tabloid on promoting voluntary action by you and Frank Dale.

It's the biggest teenage publication growing or something.

And it's a supplement, a syndicated supplement out of Cincinnati and Clark.

And it was a matter of just letting her come in to meet you, really.

I thought she was doing a great job, and that just was

It's not for them.

What you need to do on that damn scat thing is to tell everybody, who the hell do we have around here?

We got anybody?

Well, you know, Alex pulled together all that stuff with people and all with the thought that you might have to know if you were actually going to have that in some kind of thing.

If you had this guy then, just cover it up, soak it all up that night.

There's obviously no rush on this article.

It's not something that doesn't exist.

I can't get into this article.

We've got so many people who want to do articles on this and not the other thing.

I've got to go without my distribution.

Okay.

I don't think my participation is worth a damn.

On that kind of one, I don't think it does.

Well, sure.

It's better for other people to say each other's name.

I don't think it's all the same.

And then you do some research.

You've got some stuff you've already done.

I think so.

Do you have to see her that you know?

Oh, hell no.

I don't really think so.

What they're suggesting is an option if you don't see her.

She's here to try to assess the extent of U.S. government support for her and her husband's fight against communism in the Philippines, is the way she puts it.

He intends to retain control until communism is defeated, either by extending his term of office or having her replace him as president.

Yes, sir.

I think I should stay out of it.

You'll have to revise the Constitution to do that.

What do they suggest?

They say that we should treat her with reserve at the same time we don't want to give her cause to feel rebutted.

And I think it's got to be seen in some way, but I can't get rid of it.

What they suggest is that either you have her into the office,

for, you know, a brief visit, and then let her go and have tea with Mrs. Vinson, or that you have Mrs. Vinson invite her to tea, and then you drop in on the tea for a few minutes, and then leave for work, because we're having a talk forever.

I think it's the final thing, just to have her see Mrs. Vinson only.

Craig came around the last time.

You don't have to see her every time.

Well, she'll be here, uh, maybe at the end of the week.

I think it's extremely brave of her to be in the office.

Yeah.

I'm gonna get her the hell out of here.

Do you ever have to even listen in to that, George?

I don't think so.

She's here, though.

She's definitely looking around at that celebration.

She's going to see her son, and then she's coming out to stay with the boards in Detroit for a while, and then go back to the children's.

And once you're here and see them.

See her son.

It's great to help, you know.

But many just say, I'm sorry, they're jammed.

And then it's, you know, it's a great call, courtesy call, you know.

You're a courtesy call, not a conversation.

You know what I mean?

I'll be sitting down with you for 10 or 15 minutes.

I don't know where I'm flying in the middle of that.

And that's, uh, fair enough.

I guess the tea thing, you know, I'm not going to go over there.

Gee, I know I'll get, I'll get suckered there.

I think we'll have to do that.

She will be, will be wanting to do it, so...

They did a good job this morning.

The meeting was good.

The courier had a voice.

He got a little something that was good.

He kind of gave a pitch for the policy.

There you go.

Also, Bill's gone.

Sure.

I just called him right off the bat.

He said we should have been here.

We should have reached him back.

He's fine.

He's lobbying me and Art on his trip to Moscow and to Manchuria.

Listen, I'm just out of the question.

Just listen and watch.

He said, let me tell you what I think.

I said no to agree.

I know you can't hide it.

First of all, I don't want anything to take place until after we've done the China trip.

So we went to Moscow and we're going to hold on to that.

That's number one.

The second part is that...

it is not needed i mean we have diplomatic relations with the russians who is not the same and for us to send a party over there to advance

I didn't want to talk right now.

Well, that would set up a bad thing, because then he'd have to send a high-level party.

Well, it wouldn't matter to do that, except that he says treat them the same as the Chinese, and the answer is it's the same situation.

We've got to keep Henry's issues when he gets back.

Henry will want to go older.

And he's not going to come.

I mean, I've already said he's not going to come.

He's not going to come.

But you see Bob for him, he'll go over there and talk to the branch and have him go see him and all the rest.

That would be the last straws for those.

And it's wrong.

Yeah, absolutely wrong.

He says, well, I've got to work everything out to be sure they work it out.

It's different.

It is not.

I've got to work it out.

Is he ready to assist Henry with the fact that he just wants to go to Moscow?

No.

Henry is not ready to do it with me at all.

Tell him how this is.

I will tell him how.

I want you to tell him how.

Now don't.

for Christ's sakes, have Al wire Henry and tell him to do it.

That's his problem.

He can tell how it gets to him.

Don't tell him about Bill.

No.

I want you to tell Al that Henry's, that if the subject ever comes up, that I am absolutely opposed to his going to Moscow to defend Moscow.

The other side of that curtain is, in Moscow, we're going to play our game on the Public Relations Center, and Henry will get a disaster there.

I mean, God.

So, I think you do it better.

Just start to set that up.

But on Bill's point, it doesn't make any sense.

I know what he's doing.

He wants to reveal that he's the same, and put his name out in the middle of something, but there is nothing.

He said, I will say it.

Bill doesn't know how much we've got going on with the Russians.

And he would frankly might say the wrong things.

Bill may have to take some other trip someplace.

Well, he's really good at curing.

That's what you have to do when you do that.

There's no other way to change.

Mr. Marriott, we're going to get Bill Meijer off the Kennedy Center.

No, Chris.

John, I think she's right.

Oh, I think she's right.

My point is, my point is, you are doing everything you can to get Bill the hell out of there.

He's got to go.

The son of a bitch is loading the staff.

There's no question.

I can see the way he operates.

No question.

Mr. Marriott.

Is this correct?

Yes.

Well, have you got the votes?

No, we don't have the votes.

I'm not going to use it on votes.

I'm going to just do it on pure, cool-blooded pressure.

How can you pressure him?

They've got us a specialist, Garmin, and a woman.

What's your name?

Nancy Hanson.

Yeah, I'm already here for this one.

No, sir.

Good.

Let's get him out of there.

Alice Marion doesn't like Garmin, so she's going to see it, but he's not.

He's the one that told me, give me the whole case again.

Yeah.

Now, the way that you've got to get enough is I'm going to have to sit down with Roger Stevens and just smile and say, if you want your million and a half in operating funds, you're going to have to get a new operator.

That's right.

All right.

Otherwise, how do we get it cut off?

Congress won't vote for it.

Congress won't vote for it if we don't prove it.

And that's been made clear now.

And Roger Stevens knows that.

He has made the point to me of the fact that if you think we could lie to you, won't the Democrats be in the party?

If they find out I did this, they will.

But I don't think Stevens will play that.

And if they do, then they do.

We'll still, we won't put it in the, it has to go in as a supplemental.

They're breaking you in for legislation on it.

We won't put it in.

We just won't put it in.

That's right.

Well, it's not a big deal, but she's right.

No, it's terrible.

So if there's something to do, I'm going to try to get you out of here.

He is.

He's a disgrace to the thing.

To begin with, he does that.

We have one good man there on the artistic side of this, Julius Rudel, who's the music director of it.

And he's, in point Roger Stevens, he's got a clip.

He has a hard clip.

So he's asking for the senator to go quit because he's the only guy about when he grows up.

So, we've got him on our side now, but he's trying to get somebody in.

It doesn't make any worse.

Who is it?

LaClaire?

No, Roudell.

Oh, that's not weird.

We won't get there.

You've got the man.

You've got the prime minister here, Mr. Preston.

Investors, as I was saying today, he has to be there.

He's on some of the Asian investors here.

You know, he recommends that he sit in here with Mr. Preston.

If you're ready for it.

They must stay afterwards.

They both get out.

What is the 30 minutes?

This is 30 minutes.

You'll leave at 12 o'clock.

Wait for me.

Well, it's 12 o'clock.

12 o'clock.

I'll find out.

Just be sure that it's blue.

Blue.

Well, Mrs. Mark is from Antelope.

I lay her on top of that.

They have an area that surprises me.

She's a tougher, stronger woman than I realize she is.

She has winter.

She's bitter and tough.

I love it.

You know, they pull all this stuff, but they do.

They were trying to stop it when we had us in our bus.

That's the man.

She said, oh, right.

Well, we will sit over here.

Our custom here is to sit here because they want pictures.

And you'll get back in there.

That's what we call the front end.

And let's see.

You know what happened?

You sit there because that's what we're trying to do.

That's what we're trying to do.

Here.

And this is how she got us to stay.

We're just going to be sitting there.

That's what we're going to do.

Now we have a pouch.

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Thank you very much.

And they're all problems in your country, like all of their prisoners.

They have a very, very, very skilled.

Yes, yes.

Thanks, sir.

I'm so glad you're here.

Does it help?

We tried it, but we didn't, you know, sometimes we don't know whether it helps or hurts.

I don't know if it helps.

You were the first time we met.

Sure.

And, uh, took us all by surprise.

And it was to be clear we loved each other.

Yeah.

But you were in a very difficult situation.

But you moved.

You moved very fast.

It was very good.

You had no way to handle these things.

And, uh, I didn't receive, it isn't until you did, many, many who received love, who received assistance.

For your question, because of the usage.

We had two helicopters.

Only two helicopters that were serviceable at the time.

And 72 police stations were attacked in one night.

72 police stations were attacked.

And the roads were blocked.

You couldn't get in there.

I was at a municipal police station to defend them.

Because they were going on for 30 days.

So the helicopter flew past and passed through here and passed through the cockpit.

Then the helicopter flew down high until there came the oxygen.

That's it.

Helicopters are very useful.

They're useful.

They can add anything else.

Yes.

And I can't say that it's just that they're not easy to find.

They're not a small thing.

So you move right in and dip off the places where the operations occur.

Yeah, pretty much.

They were playing rock games.

How do you evaluate the situation?

Salvation at the present time.

We are right there at the height of the hurricane, which is terrible.

The worst thing that could happen to Peter is to fight him.

The worst thing, I mean, to Peter, even though the Indians, of course, they have far harder weapons

Nobody's in such a war.

There's so much to be done in other areas.

All of the lead would be a terrible legacy.

Refugees and and so forth and so on.

So our position is one of, which is I understand is yours, but we're going all out to help refugees, all out.

We are trying to rebuild the field on both sides now.

Anybody who promotes a freshman here in the student community, in a very bad situation, our congressperson will just throw up his hands.

And that's what the award heard there in terms of our aid programs against the children's agreements.

Or would you prefer tea rather than coffee?

Coffee's pretty good here.

Do you take tea?

Oh, of course.

Of course, it's the most famous.

Of course, there's some on the trademark, too.

The trademark.

That is true.

Oh, excuse me.

In other words, why don't they take your, why don't they take Virginia to act on the fields of authority?

What's the right thing to do that's sort of the next thing to do?

You asked us the next thing to do, and it's sort of easy.

We served a lot of tea in the White House.

You know, she does it in Paris.

Even coffee.

You grow coffee, too?

Yeah.

So I recall your country.

Of course, I was over there a couple of days.

It seems to me I attended to

It's a very rich country in terms of the agriculture.

Yes, I remember it very well.

And they insisted that we see that.

It goes with the fact that I can travel a little more than I do now.

Now I live in that country and I just go in the day.

The tea, as you know, is now being exported.

Is that your picture?

Yes.

And they've been increasing that.

It's not so bad.

What is the reaction, I'm not sure, with regard to the two trips that I have announced, the one to the gang, the other to Moscow, what is the reaction first from your company

and you and also your colleagues that you see in that party.

Are they worried about it, or are they being very candid if you don't want to talk to them?

Well, you talked to the Soviet Union a day or two after ISIS is gone.

Yes.

The reaction has moved.

That's right.

It was only announced last week.

But the Soviet Union took to peace.

It was announced last week.

It will be opened, I think.

I think that this is the...

This has happened years ago.

Well, that's what our diplomatic wires became.

Do you feel like... We all feel like that.

The best thing that can happen in the interest of the world is to create tension.

We hope that by this dialogue, positive results will be seen.

We are very thankful for what it's done.

Well, the point that I should emphasize with regard to vote, and I do this because I think it's important that you preside and you do over a country that has to be having this country various views about many of these things, is that both of these trips are first substantive.

Second, they have a very thoroughly planned advance.

To me, meetings at that level involving, as they do, so-called superpowers in one instance and one of these superpowers in another instance can be a very big disaster

If they are held, then nothing comes out because it creates a euphoria and a great buildup and a letdown.

So I think that's why we've announced them so far in advance.

The plan is moving forward and so forth.

So in the case of the Soviet Union, we'll cover everything from arms control to East-West relations to trade to possibly if the issue is still there, the peace, which it probably will be and so forth.

In the case of the dream to be king, one thing I should emphasize is that each is separate.

We're not taking one at the expense of the other.

And each understands that.

We're seeking basically a bilateral relationship with one, a bilateral relationship with another, to which we'll

for the purpose of discussing and negotiating matters of mutual concern.

But in the case of the King, there is, of course, a very different order of magnitude, even though we have no relations with the King.

This will be the beginning of a long process to discuss what our relationship should be, and recognizing that down the road,

It's better to have them basically in a dialogue rather than to have them in isolation.

Our friends in Asia, many are concerned about it.

They would get upset because they consider that to be dangerous.

But some of our friends with the

I believe that while this move to be king may jeopardize their situations, that they will, that they have, frankly, subversion and a lot of other things.

But he doesn't have sufficient experience, as you know, to just say Singapore and Malaysia has problems in that respect.

Clear up to Japan, one around to Thailand,

and so forth, and then keep it reaching the south.

And Kentucky, of course, has a special problem because of their history.

However, the thing that we feel is that the United States, having some kind of relationship with the dialogue with P.K., cannot be harmful to our friends and to be helpful, because if we are not in a position

who discuss such matters with them.

We are only in a position to support our friends and no position to exercise some, shall we say, medicated influence with those who might be their opponents.

So that you see it.

But I said, we have no illusions.

And I'm sure you, of course, would know this because you live, as I say, close in the eye of the hurricane down there.

We have no illusions that these trips mean that the historical and ideological differences between the United States and our friends

They still have different interests than we have, and they will continue to.

We expect this, and we respect it.

On the other hand, since we're both going after these talks with this mind, there's not going to be any problems of our

I've seen some speculation of the fact that some in Asia and some in Europe know about the United States runs over to Moscow or runs to Beijing.

And as a result of all that, that it's kind of, that what they think it was, to a extent, some believe that it means that

Now we have a period of peace and no tension.

That will never, that hasn't even happened among friends, let alone among those who have been appointed.

The second part is that there is a feeling that the United States doesn't understand that as a result of what we do, that we will do things there at the expense of our friends.

That's not gonna happen here.

That will not happen on their side.

What is really involved here is the question

at the highest level, on the case, in which we have big differences.

We don't expect to solve them all, but we hope to start the process in the case that they came for, discussions in the future of the confrontation.

Of course, in the case of Moscow, we already have made considerable progress on Berlin, and

Well, of course, you see, we've had a long time.

While our attacks in Moscow are enormously competitive and have been in many areas, very effective and very different, and they will continue to be because of historical reasons.

Let's face it, the Soviet attitude toward Mediterranean is different from ours, and the Soviet attitude toward the Philippines is different from ours.

I mean,

They're happy to go out and maybe solely, maybe the Europeans are.

So you have to, toward what, toward the face of Europe is different from ours.

This we understand, this they understand.

But what the order of honor, the order of right, in fact, in both cases is that now both the Soviet Union and the United States recognize that if there is a war, there'll be no winners, only losers.

That's true of the superpowers.

And second, both recognize that there is no chance at this point that either will allow the other to get an advantage that would entail a confinement.

Under those circumstances, if you can't get an advantage, and if you have to rule out the possibility of frankly initiating a war, what do you do?

You talk.

And if you find areas where you decide that we will compete, we'll still recognize that we're going to have marriages.

We believe in different systems of government.

and so forth, but we're going to use our influence to avoid those attacks that might bring us a confrontation.

Now, looking at McCain, in the long haul, that's the same thing.

It is not, at the present time, a major nuclear power.

It will be.

It's inevitable.

To put 750 million people in industrial detention for the last 20 years from now, it's, who knows how many years, it's going to be a very significant power.

Looking forward to that time, it's very important, we believe now, to start the dialogue here after we have already spoken.

What I emphasize to you is that, which of course you, as a successful politician, know is that no one goes into meetings with Franklin, and frankly,

But the most important thing about the talk was that neither he nor I had solutions about our differences.

We said, you want this, you want this, and so forth.

I think it does no, no service when you have a certain thing to serve.

Actually, what we really want everyone to know, we've had this nice talk, a cup of coffee or a cup of tea, that, uh, that this is what the world is.

So this is, this is our attitude on this.

But the main thing we want to be sure that all of our friends know, that we, we, we feel that, uh, we feel we're, we're close to your country.

I mean, we're not speaking in terms of alliances now, but in terms of our systems of government and the rest of it, is that we have very much in mind our role as a world power.

We have very much in mind our role as a Pacific power.

We're not getting out of the Pacific.

I don't mean that we're staying in the Pacific, but we believe that that's a Pacific power.

We have certain responsibilities we look to be.

What we're doing here is that we began dialogue in the east that we already have with the Russians.

That's about how you get my evaluation because naturally you're getting many questions on the message.

You know, one of the reasons I know this is a very hard issue, too, for us, we've been on the issue of the Taiwan.

It is insistent to take the position we do as you know.

We support the ambition of the UK.

We oppose the expulsion of China from Taiwan.

We believe the expulsion of the nation is such a serious matter that it should be in the court of question.

I'm looking down the road, looking far beyond Taiwan.

It seems to me that if the United Nations starts on the road, whereby you throw an agent out,

where I thought it was the case when I began assistance, I realized that it is a problem in terms of coverage of the nation, which was ruled out by a central majority.

That turned out to be a rival.

That's, I've indicated to you now, just so that you will see what hard thinking is, because many of our friends and I will holleringly defer.

We've talked about how you can take a trip to Beijing and still oppose the expulsion of China and Taiwan.

Our view is that, looking at the Soviet Union, they have three governments, you have China and the U.S.

Here, we believe in that, too, and we tend to think, for the question issue, has transcends far more than the immediate issue of Taiwan, which goes to the future of the UN and all of its nations.

Let us suppose that some nation adopts an internal policy that some other nations don't.

Why?

That a burst of anger and emotion and so forth, a symbol of control over the United Nations,

That's what concerns us.

That's why I've been negative.

Two-thirds of them are expulsion.

And I want to explain to as many of our friends, the vast majority, that is our position.

Tell me, what do you see as the future of your country?

How do your townspeople feel?

You've had them under control pretty good?

Well, it's only a very small percentage of the youth who are involved in this.

A very small percentage of the youth of our country are involved in this incisive movement.

About 50% or 60% of them are in the 35th Amendment.

It's a small percentage that are involved.

But this is .

.

It has indicated to us what the people are expecting from us.

It is a fact that we were able to control this.

We were able to control it because we had the masses behind us.

That's what it is.

The workers, the workers were with us.

They organized themselves to protect their young people, the city of Kuala Lumpur.

They organized themselves and they progressed through the night.

It's very unfortunate that it has to be done.

Why, your security is so important.

You're doing it all for your purpose, isn't it?

Your security, not the threat.

Increase from the borderline means, of course, increase of equipment.

I was just going to tell you, I was reporting for it.

And in fact, I would have been giving some assistance, which would have come in very helpful.

Good.

Yes, definitely.

I would just tell, it's going to get, you know, promotion.

And the ability is going to be higher than the result of wanting it.

But if I must say that the masses go behind us.

That is the main reason we were able to prepare this in such a short time.

Our countries have been in this movement for 10 years, but we were able to control it within a few weeks.

Which we were able to do because we had the resources.

But we won't have that support if we don't do something.

They want to expect us to fulfill our promise.

They want to like us today.

They're very patient.

How many years have you been with this company?

Five years.

When the public wants to establish a state of mind with the Constitution, it should be there at least six years.

But six years is a very short time.

It's a bit of time to solve our problems.

The problem is that we have to start economic activity if we are to satisfy the masses.

Otherwise, if people start again, it will be much more difficult.

Therefore, we have to be as active as possible.

Our ideal man is ready to be announced as soon as I get back.

To implement a plan, we need difficulty.

We have to ask people to sacrifice.

In our situation, where we are safe, in the midst of where we are safe,

Yes.

That's a big order.

Do you not have both of those, both those searches?

It's a big part of your budget, isn't it?

You can't take it away from them.

And the previous government made a big mistake in giving them the money.

You know, they took it.

They took it.

The rights are passed.

This is, in fact, in the war.

You can tell me.

They took it.

They took four pounds of rights.

Rights are taken away from them.

Yeah, but you didn't give it to them.

The government issued it.

Oh, I see.

Outside, over on the border, they started making rice to buy in the market for high price.

They said, control rice.

Oh, but the people had to buy it.

They had to control the price.

They had to subsidize it.

They subsidized it.

They get the subsidies.

Now, you see, this is a terrible thing on our part.

And it's very difficult for a political party to control this condition.

So I think it has to be restored, the second, so which was a great demand, which we promised them, but to put it out there, 75 cents a mission.

To try to counteract the effect of the three-way service mission.

But still, the subsidies aren't high.

But they're not drawing on the second.

They're not drawing on the second.

Yes, they're reporting about what that means.

They have a agreement with China.

They are not going to give us rights.

They're not going to give us back.

So it's just a straight part of the deal?

It's a magnitude deal.

You sell rubber to them?

Yes.

And they give us the rights.

And they buy us from both countries.

They are not pledges from these two countries.

They're still reporting back about that.

What do you trade with Vermont?

Hardly.

You're just about alive, that's it.

It might be a little difficult.

It's a little difficult.

Burma's had a difficult time.

It's very, very difficult.

I've been there since 1953.

China likes it.

They like it.

They like it so much.

They're trying to buy it from Burma.

We hope to be self-sufficient.

That means a good sale amount of foreign exchange, which is probably a billion.

We hope to be.

Your relations with China are very good.

They're very good.

You don't have any problems like the Indonesians have in that sort of your country?

Yes, I've been very good with the U.S. assistance.

Your relations with the Soviets are very different.

You have a very different position.

Doesn't mean that neither of us is the other.

No.

Maybe it was the British, but yeah, it was the British.

Right.

That's very important.

The relations with both the Chinese, you know, they had to trust us.

They took advice just to be friends.

That's what he did.

He says, as long as you can have everybody on your side, you're in a pretty good position.

That makes the big six a pretty effective political leader.

Yeah, yes, I have that.

Pastor tells me.

Say, uh...

Well, that's a very exciting time for, and a difficult, but exciting time.

When you start to think of the, you talk about these expectations, 20 years ago, they weren't expecting anything.

Right.

So at least now, the very fact that they're looking way out there in the case that something's happening, it must be pretty good.

I don't think you say something peculiar to our country.

Oh, you too.

Everybody that we talk to and I talk to, of course, Latin America, Africa, Asia, you know, it's all the same.

Here we can go.

Europe.

We have Europe.

Yes, the Europeans are no exception.

The fact that people, people feel about it, but after you get a certain amount, there's not, no, the more they get, the more they want.

And they choose, they choose the only quality products, the type of jobs they want.

Oh yes.

So they don't want to do this or that or the other.

They still think they want to work in a car or... And you know, I'm not saying, I'm not saying it's an advantage, and I'm not saying it's an advantage, clearly it is.

You do it often.

You do anything you can.

And they want jobs, and if you couldn't get a type of job, you cannot get the one.

If you get one, they can promise you that you will have a country.

Is that right?

Yes.

It's so essential to be a farmer, so it's just... On the media, in the classroom, you can't really do anything.

I see.

But they tell people, go on, go back to the farm.

Basically.

I don't know if it makes you very attractive.

That's one of the reasons why I get to see when they found it.

The question, that's the ritual.

And they should take me to a farm because I want to see.

Did you do that?

Yes, and it took me years to find that farm.

Look at where it goes.

That'll work, right?

The last day I found it was just in Las Vegas.

Was it in Las Vegas?

Yeah.

You know, we are sitting in a machine out over there.

I think that would be very religious.

Let's, why don't we arrange, if you have a little time in your schedule, the Secretary of Agriculture is a very, he's traveled all over the world, he's the former president of the University of Nebraska, and is enormously interested in seeing our, in some of our American techniques and sheds and so forth and so on.

He's worked on miracle rice and all of that sort of thing.

And I think that we can arrange for him, I mean,

Well, Hannah, of course, is the former president of Michigan State.

Elizabeth Hardin, all the same.

It would be very, very interesting to have a part of that.

Hannah would be good, too, because he's traveled as well.

He's a great expert in agriculture.

He knows this backwards and forwards.

This is an area where we want to be very cooperative.

We want to be as helpful as we can.

And I mean, the problem is that if you start there, you are in a big way to get good, good traffic.

Sure, too.

The transport is going to cost us more than the value of that vehicle.

In case you go from a place like Australia, from the closest, or India.

India, of course, is much more expensive than that.

In India, traffic sometimes is more expensive than, you know, DC services and things like that.

In case you go to a place like Australia, where the transport is going to cost us more than the value of that vehicle.

It's a long way.

Who knows?

Most of you, it is to us, it's a long way from you.

I know that long flight.

We brought him to study.

I found him to be doing the World Empowerment Tax Relief Center.

The problem is that he had to start to be made.

Before they made him, they didn't make him.

Before they made him.

We cannot have the system shutting down.

Well, it seems to me that it's very important that you're emphasizing agriculture because so many countries that I have visited, particularly this is the story of Latin America, where I've seen them all, is that they, as they raise their educational level, they want to work in farms, so they all say that's industrialized, so they industrialize.

And take a country like Brazil.

Brazil is a big country.

rich, and 45% of everything grown in Brazil spoils on the way to farm and market.

Take a country like Peru, Brazil and so forth.

They import foodstuffs.

All they do, they just have to, they get their agricultural techniques done.

This isn't just farming.

It's learning to grow this land.

It's storage, transport.

It's a huge business.

And those countries that will concentrate on their strengths doesn't mean that a country shouldn't have a mix.

But this country, our country, as you know, is an industrial country.

But it has a very solid agricultural base.

Our few farmers, few as they are, produce enough for huge surpluses.

And this is no accident.

And I think it's very important that you're giving that kind of leadership.

Your young people should know that going into agriculture not only is a necessary part for the country, but it can be a very rewarding business.

The motive in industrializing and letting the land go is a great mistake.

And also the connection is, due to work within the mystery, after the administration of the publishing house, there are a lot of problems.

And the important part is that the mystery is a problem.

And this is actually one of the mysteries.

Is that what the mystery is?

The mystery is...

Oh.

Very little report there is that it has not been public to the press.

As you know, there is a truce second to it.

There's an uneasy balance being maintained between the Israeli on one side and their neighbors on the other.

We are continuing to work for a

Negotiating with a temporary solution, which would be the opening of the Suez, and I'm here to blow back.

And to be perfectly candid with you, we have not had great success yet, but we're continuing to work on it on both sides, because that is our policy.

The truth is it's not a policy.

for a period of time, just maintaining the truce.

Everybody bristling there with arms, and arms beforehand.

We'll have a vision in the future.

So, I have to summarize by saying that we, we're going to keep the truce second to see if the balance system fits.

So, you, sir, please, you should start something.

We're still negotiating track, hoping that a breakthrough could occur, and certainly would be, it seems advantageous to both sides, that since they can't take the whole step, they take half a step, half a step.

Oh.

Very little report there is that it has not been public press.

And you know, there is a truce, a second to it.

There's an uneasy balance being maintained.

Israeli on one side and their neighbors on the other.

We are continuing to work for a negotiation, a negotiation for a temporary solution, which would be the opening of Suez and I'm hoping to go back.

We, to be perfectly candid with you, have not had great success yet, but we're continuing to work on it, on both sides, because that is our policy, and truth is not a policy.

I mean, it's better than war, but over a period of time, just maintaining the truth so everybody will be sitting there with arms, and arms before their head.

We'll have other things in the future.

So,

I have to summarize by saying that we, we're going to keep the troops back second to see if the balance system shifts on either side.

I believe we should start something on the third to pursue a negotiating track, hoping that a breakthrough could occur.

And certainly it would be, it seems advantageous to both sides that

since they can't take the whole step, they take half a step, and half a step would mean the Suez, and the other thing, but that should be done first, and then go on after that to the next step, but to, that's where it's, it's about to come on, where it takes a little bit of work on.

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