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Well, the point is, I suppose that one of our policemen or something was a guy.

No, interestingly enough, we've had some incidents where the policeman had been handled things badly.

This one, the guy...

Daisy's name wasn't on the typewritten list.

It was written on the back side of it.

The guy didn't see it.

He said, just a second, Mr.

Congressman, I'll check this for you.

And that's all Daisy did.

He said, what did he do?

Ah, the list he took advantage of.

He just made a monumental, monumental job.

How are we holding down here for that NATO thing with those French?

Farts and so forth and so on.

What did they look about?

He said nothing.

He's of course voted with us.

It's a very important thing.

But he's a great publicity secret, hasn't he?

He just, he saw an opportunity and I'm sure he was also annoyed by being held up at all.

I don't blame him.

Is there any reason why with the big staff, and it is a very large staff, that a little, I see a lot of those young guys at Dent and all these other calls that one of them couldn't be there to watch that sort of thing.

Bob?

He said he wasn't coming, so they didn't put his name on the list, and then they apparently talked and ended up coming.

So he came at the last minute.

They had added his name, but they didn't say if it was written on any of the pages.

I'm not, it was one of our good, the problem is it was one of the good guards.

We've got some guys here who are awful dumb and he don't handle us very well.

We've got some who handle us very well.

I don't like him at all.

I know he's just crazy.

He's always out after some goddamn silly men.

But I don't know what it is for me to call him now.

Oh, hell no.

I'm not going to do it.

I'm going to listen.

That's from a great band.

We just started it.

That was a mistake.

We should have had somebody call him and invite him apparently.

That's the last thing we should do.

Someone should have called and said, we're very sorry.

I started to shake him up a little bit at the same time.

Not giving him any help.

He said, the quarterback is going to lose his job.

He wanted to lose his job.

He's got a kid.

That's what I would have done.

You know, I just, you know, it was a technical reaction of the average person, I guess, about people that aren't grown up.

I figured it was a small problem.

At least they won the vote, though.

At least they won the vote?

Yeah, thank God.

I mean, in spite of, you know, it's something that some of the rich whalers would probably agree to all the same, I wouldn't be able to change.

I remember all the people who voted for me or us on this particular one.

the Democrats, I want him to keep his goddamn cognitive figures off.

You know, we have really, they embarrass me very deeply in the 70s when they sent me out against Clark Fisher.

You probably don't recall that.

Clark Fisher's been my friend for 25 years, a real friend.

He's more conservative than most other Republicans, much more.

We've all been run some hassle against him, he said.

I'm not going to get involved in that anymore, Bob.

I am not going to be involved with a picture, an endorsement, or anything against any Democrat that is supporters of being a nominee that's in the House.

They're about 50 of them.

Dislike the sentence.

Now there, I have a different matter.

We do understand.

A Democrat who supports us in the House of Vietnam.

George May, a lot of people like that.

Hunter Price, six.

We just got out of our minds.

Henderson in North Carolina.

Never, never, never.

You get, I want to list it all.

It's 40 or 50.

Let's err.

Let him pick the list.

Democrats and presidents should not oppose.

Is that clear?

I don't think we should do it anyway.

I just don't think we should do it anyway.

Or, I don't know, maybe not.

What you're really on at is because we're going to be basing that, sir, you think.

I agree.

Well, we've decided that.

The only thing we would do is with incumbents.

No, no TV.

And no TV.

I'm not going to have that TV spot thing.

We're just a picture alert.

We're going to go off and say, well, I'm going to come out and report incumbents.

And that's it.

I'm going to come in for a still picture.

There's no TV on the new candidates.

No, no.

That's right.

I hope they told them all, there's no money, if you got that across the tent, we're not going to subsidize candidates for the Senate and so forth this year.

Yes, the combat exercise was such a horrible experience anyway, you know.

We didn't do anything for us.

Senator, there will be no leaks.

There will be no leaks.

They're not going to turn to pieces before I get them up there.

You know what we're on.

You can't do without one of the ADA.

And nobody in the White House can.

I'm not going to have to write any shop checks.

The people I have right now, I don't know about as well as I do myself.

I'm just going to do it on my own.

We basically were trying to find a son and so forth, and you're going to catch all the other way at this point in time.

I just can't afford Bob.

I know, every time I have to raise this question to him.

I'm going to leave it.

We always say, oh, isn't the White House bad?

It's the state department or something else.

Stuff doesn't come here.

Well, sure, it doesn't.

We have to be honest about it.

Oh, I've never said that it doesn't, because there's no doubt.

Stuff leaks out of here.

And there's no doubt that there's speculation out of here, even when there's no leaks.

In other words, a lot of the leaks out of here are about people who don't know and are sure.

Well, sure.

But you've got optics that can work.

There are some areas where we can avoid leaks, too.

We don't have leaks out of any of these places.

We sure don't.

We don't.

I mean, he's operated on there.

We haven't had leaks on it.

I think the reason is he scares us about it.

The economic thing we got through without a leak only because we locked everybody up up on the hill and put the fear of God into it.

Yeah, I remember that phone call with him.

And I'm scared to death.

I mean, they really, they were really dreadful, concerned about that.

Sure had the, had the necessary, but I think that it wouldn't have happened if it had.

Well, that's, these two quarterbacks are going to do that, too.

Their names have not been mentioned yet.

We're not telling the soul that's dead.

But he's going to eventually go to Philadelphia today.

He may be able to get out because the guys talk to him.

He's all kinds of other people.

Threw it.

Oh.

Alright.

Well, that's good.

We are out of there.

Snack jury.

They're the only study that can make it.

Prove that we're gonna win.

Crank win.

Snack jury.

Well, they certainly haven't been no friends of ours this whole process, so you got no need to kick us in the ass every little time.

I felt frankly very good about that boat yesterday.

I thought it was a good day.

It's getting closer over time.

It's closer all the time, but it's still...

Are you still thinking of announcing your court names on TV?

I am.

It would have been months if they'd already... ...smeared.

I figured you don't plan to go to Florida at all this weekend, is that right?

I'm telling you, there's nothing to do back here until Monday night at 8 o'clock.

Oh, in Texas?

Yeah.

He's in California, and he went out to the bankers meeting in San Francisco yesterday.

Yeah, I went out yesterday.

Did we do anything about getting him scheduled for something other than something the same?

Well, they tried.

I'm not sure how successful, because he had time.

But, so, he...

was planning to go this afternoon down to the ranch and to stay there.

See, Monday's a holiday, so he was going to stay.

So he'd come back Monday night.

Not sure if Tuesday.

He'll be here Tuesday.

Yeah, he'll be here at 8 o'clock.

That's right.

Have time.

You know, as of now, we've kept Tuesday and Wednesday open against the possibility of a Wednesday press conference.

Okay.

I don't think there is.

I don't hear it whining around.

They whine, they whine.

I don't think there's... You know, that was a press conference and I went out and announced the Russian men.

Absolutely.

We all can.

That was a press conference.

No question.

I don't think there's any need for a press conference.

We had a hell of a lot of issues with Trump.

We might not use it for our purposes, but I don't know.

Henry gets in a lance at 4 to hear about 5 o'clock one day.

He would like to come right in.

Sure.

he gets here which is a good idea yeah all right so that would be monday night good and uh okay then we'll set the set the budget meeting for tuesday tuesday afternoon i'd like to have that period so uh say starting at four o'clock

Irving said you wanted him to get with Cunningham one thing before that meeting.

I did that this morning.

That's why I put him in the afternoon.

Right.

Okay.

Uh, he is now coming.

He was resolved.

And, uh, they're suggesting it's tomorrow morning.

I don't think he gets here until tonight because they were saying he was starting tomorrow.

We've got the time tomorrow unless you want to hold it.

Maybe I'll have to run Jason Bush tomorrow afternoon.

I know Kishi doesn't relate to that.

That hasn't put people on the schedule.

I understand.

Are you sure?

No, it's not on any schedule.

We've got a set report.

I think I'll have Kishi for dinner tomorrow night.

Thursday night.

Instead of me, or that would be me.

Yeah, I think this is really working.

And being an interpreter, well, he can do whatever he wants.

All he wants is himself with an interpreter, and they were going to have names in it.

Or I can meet with him, which, have it here in the office, and I'll have a, I'll have, I've definitely got to do something for him socially.

I want to meet with him, have a meeting tomorrow morning, and then have a dinner.

A small dinner tomorrow evening.

Did you find out what he had?

this is a virus kind of thing and uh he doesn't drink he doesn't smoke but he works on the heart he works and drives it he drives himself down you know you guys do that here they drive themselves well we all did when we came in at first i think most of our people now have gotten themselves where they face a little better recognizing

that there's always a crisis and that you can't go out all the time.

But that's what keeps me going.

At least I remember Bryce used to run himself right off the brink.

And Bob Mayo used to do it, which I think he loved it.

And he did it for dramatic effect.

You know, one of the great abilities that I have developed is a pace.

I know exactly where I'm going to go.

I go very hard for everyone.

I sure do.

But I sure as hell don't do more than I need to.

Well, then you maintain some reserve strength, which is unlike the evenings.

And your job is just essential, because you don't know when something's going to hit.

But you have to be good at it.

You have to really crank them.

Well, you know the best thing we do, though, Bob, is the schedule operation.

We spend an awful lot of time on that boat.

The best thing I spend is the work that I spend.

Because if I let them...

They all are very well catching people around her, you know.

You get it in the schedule, just fill it in the time.

I'd be running around like a chicken with my head cut off all the time.

And that mostly happened, you know what I mean?

They'd say, can't you see this one?

Can't you see this one?

And Aunt Susie's uncle would say, Peter, can't you see her?

And this and that.

And you do enough blood.

We can step on Aunt Susie.

What do we do with this?

Don't you think enough of her?

Yeah.

I mean, like, for example, if it was a small thing, getting par to you when you were walking around the White House is about as good as getting anybody else involved.

You've got a great picture on that.

It's worth it.

The party you bought them, and the 300% here with you, you know, it's amazing, really.

And that picture, it ran as a four column.

And I did a big four column picture on the front page of the sports page.

Which is just where you want it.

You see the point that Lee learned in marriage when I was going through it.

And this was a mistake that I had.

I was going through the open door office hour, whatever it was.

It was a mistake.

But it was very good for those people.

It was good for those people.

It was so good for you.

But in terms of getting out the story, it wasn't worth a damn, was it?

No.

Then we cut those to one photo opportunity out of them.

Then we started getting out of that.

But you were still doing all the others, giving nothing for us.

Now we don't do them.

That's right.

We don't.

We don't need to do them.

It's stupid what we do, but we still filter a few little things like that in.

We heard like the multiple sclerosis guys yesterday that they got a perfect little story.

Yeah.

A good cause.

We can't avoid it, but the thing is, if we say no on all of that, we're still going to get a few like this that you just get into a wicket where you can't undo it.

Right.

And that's what that was.

It was one where it had just been put off for so long.

And we tried all the other dodges, you know, Mrs. Nixon and all the other things.

They wouldn't give anybody else the trade with you.

It didn't take long.

It's a good cause.

Do you want a key sheet?

Do you want to try it in here tomorrow night?

I'll do something for you.

No problem.

What have you got?

Oh, that's something like that.

Well, that's not the Republican women's reception tomorrow afternoon.

See, you'll have a thousand women jumping through the house.

That's all right.

See, you could try to have a big dinner and they won't be able to.

Why don't you buy a regular warehouse for a change?

Probably both.

But you could run away with college taking you someplace.

They always come to neat places, you know.

I was hanging out in the car with them.

They were the F Street Club or something like that.

You're good.

Nice.

From 2 to 4, it'll take them.

They can do a dinner.

As long as you don't have a lot of people.

I go back a week to have a small dinner.

I have a small dinner downstairs.

Have John Eisenhardt, see what I can say.

Have an ambassador, have a carpeted, you know, the, uh...

Thank you, Robert.

Have Peterson.

Kennedy, Kennedy is here.

Actual, the, uh... Service types, uh...

Bill wants to come.

It would be nice.

I thought it was about 12 or 16.

The Forest Service team doesn't stay in the parking lot.

Well, that'd be Martha Green.

I don't think I'll have much time.

Have a rocker if you want to come, but not

He got me.

He got me, Senator.

No.

He got me.

Because you want the Japanese ambassador.

He may have somebody with him.

If he has someone with him, do you want him?

Sure.

I have a lot of border Japanese on 8 of our people.

I have an officer.

He would love it if you want to do it.

I don't know what your term is.

How is our term?

I don't know.

That's good.

All right.

He's very big on Japanese, and I don't know whether he'd want it or not.

But we need to work on it.

Yeah, I have our term.

But Schultz loves Kong.

Okay.

I should have a little call.

You're good.

He likes that.

Yes.

I'm cracking the can.

I want the other one.

Solid.

No.

Paul's not free.

Just pick up.

Solid.

Okay.

And this, uh, it would be sidewalk.

And it would be business, too.

What the hell, they had some sort of... We should not have music, but I mean, we should have, uh...

They should have...

So he has a nice average, you know what I mean?

Shots.

Hard practice.

Well, there must be something in between.

I mean, is there anything in between?

I guess I don't think, but I think we don't have anything like that.

We don't have it look too dead bare.

We could have a, you know, a small musical group playing in the hall so that you have some music before then.

You gotta have your cocktails in the blue room.

Have the musical group playing in the hall.

And have some people

small honor guard, you know what I mean?

So it isn't totally there out there.

I want him to come in the front door.

There would be, from the consent of, there would be photographers, too.

I want photographers to come in and take pictures.

Conley will not be here, will he?

No.

I just want to order him up.

Is he in Texas?

No.

There's, there's,

There's a problem in that right path.

Connolly was originally committed to testify, apparently.

I guess he has refused to or said he isn't going to do pathness now, so he isn't going to hold the hearing, he said.

So he's using Connolly's non-appearance as an excuse not to start action on the tax proposal.

And that, Connolly's got to figure the stratagem out of it.

Connolly's a roundhead, you know what I'm talking about.

You know, you may be right.

Tom may be one of those guys that goes like the way they split the words off.

He looks like he's just like a... Johnson and Johnson used to do that, you know.

Johnson was always sick.

You know, he was.

I used to have a son in my market.

He'd lie in the bed, cough, and spit terrible, terrible shit.

Only because he'd been up to four o'clock in the morning.

Crazy bastard.

It's got to be a little bit, it's got to be very ruthless.

How about Sands?

No.

They used to rub their nose in that.

That's why I say I don't like Sands.

I mean, it's not because he is a little bit.

I love Peterson.

It's got to be a little bit there.

It's got to be nice.

That's how they do it.

You've got to have him.

He's just been there a little while.

He's been there a little while.

Well, this will be nice.

I don't think we need to have arm trigger.

That's good.

Let's do that.

Red flag.

Just very anxious to see you for a few minutes.

And I think we've probably got it.

Oh, sure.

Well, he wants to clean up the question of the postal situation, the Board of Governors, and all that.

And he is going to leave pretty quick.

So he's going to wrap it up and get that set.

And I don't know if he's going to do it on Friday night.

All right.

Thank you.

It's kind of good, that gives you something to be doing here, to live in this bank with all of us.

I just thought, I just thought that we, I'm having an experience to teach you.

Very good idea.

We'll do that for around 12, you know, 10.

12, 10.

I don't, I, and I can always add anything to that, you know.

Yeah.

The last, the other one.

Well, it would have been a good idea.

I thought we'd just go sometime on the way to Portland.

Right.

Drop in.

Right.

And we'll get a hell of a, we're going to get the same show, whether we're there for the opening or not.

I sent him the flyer.

I'm going down for the weekend, so I'll get the flyer.

You'll get it.

Thank you.

We'll get the flyer.

Great idea.

Now, Freeland Tyson has asked to see you.

I don't know whether you need to see him or not.

To read East Bend to Pakistan, India, and Greece.

What's the report?

Hey.

We have a very good copy.

We would now take endorses it on the

Pointed.

He's always been a very valuable support member for us in Pakistan.

And also we have all the jackasses we'll see you.

And he has never asked for a meeting with you, apparently.

No, he hasn't.

Very good.

And, Pakistan has asked to see you.

Which one?

Seth Uddin, Pakistan.

The Prince.

He is the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

He coordinates all the relief assistance to the Pakistani refugees.

And the argument for seeing him is that we have directed that all our stuff is on refugee heat through the UN.

And that this gives visibility in the US response that you've directed an all-out relief effort and all that kind of crap.

What's our approach?

The only thing is I don't want to get trapped in traffic.

This is where he says, well, I might need to see you.

Well, you can't control him, and he'll get you in a car.

He won't be around, so you just tell him to check the office, and we can start this on him.

Right.

You want to see him?

I brought your son in.

We've got a story out of it yesterday that's been of our interest and all that.

Rogers and Henry have recommended you see him with Francis Kellogg, who's one of the refugees.

And we've got enough of that kind of stuff.

We've got enough this week.

Possibly next week on a lot of the next week.

But it's not enough.

If we want to do it, we've got 10 Vietnam veterans who have just come back from a summer in Vietnam where they've been working as volunteers with no pay, working with South Vietnamese veterans.

And it's a question of whether we want publicity on their working in hospitals, whether we want publicity on what our veterans are really doing in Vietnam.

The argument is that the story needs to be told before it's

I gave him a fair amount of press coverage, apparently, and that was it.

Trying to be a non-veteran, but quite a good guy, instead of a bad guy, is who you look after.

He, again, purely symbolic.

All right.

Tom Bale is back at us wanting an appointment with you.

I turned him down.

And I just, I mean, for, it's, he's, you know, he does good stuff for us.

But he wants an interview.

That's right.

Oh, there's no, it's out of him.

He just got to, who was his client?

Client two.

He just got to put it to fail.

I'm just sorry that we just, we just can't have any interviews.

I know, I know the way that he did it before.

Yeah.

He wrote the whole comment and then not, you know, yeah, he's not right.

It didn't hurt, but it wasn't right because I had told him to.

Yeah.

He can't.

Well, then they could do something other than an interview.

He, uh, tell you what you can do, he would invite you to the TV thing.

There's no harm in that.

But no, but when he sees you, just, just say there ain't gonna be, uh, that's a purgatory invite.

Yeah, he's a friend and gives him a lot of things, but it's a small thing.

But just say it.

Quiet, sir.

And make the money, say no.

No, sir.

We didn't, uh, just, uh, first, don't tell her about that, or do you, sir, just, well, I'm sorry, just, just, the president can't, uh, give individual interviews.

No, sir.

I don't have to do it.

Okay.

The, uh, Biennial Convention of the National Catholic Youth Organization Federation is going to be in Washington in November.

4,000 Catholic youth

There's a couple opportunities if we want to do anything on it.

The Director of Catholic Youth Activities, Monsignor Leonard, has invited you to address them while they're here, which you could do if you wanted to.

You could do a drop-by, unannounced type thing here at the Sheraton Park at one of their sessions.

And for, and I think we ought to do this, we could invite, they have eight officers of the association, we can invite them to come in

while they're here in convention to see the president.

I need to draw a vice-minister.

Draw a line.

Goodbye.

I'm going to be a little tragic and enthusiastic about it.

The purpose of this is not to see the youth, but the purpose is maybe we didn't have a few youth be enthusiastic.

They could be.

Yeah.

In other words, try to get them to get here and see what the hell they're after.

They just need their temperature.

And maybe just pop by and say a few words.

I'll let someone else in as a lightning rod to see what happens.

Mm-hmm.

All right.

We're good.

Let me get up.

They're asking now for an agreement in principle to a meeting with a courtesy called the Crown Prince of Ethiopia.

No.

In January or February.

No.

I'm sure of all that.

There's no argument that he will be the successor to the emperor.

I will ask him.

No.

Just say it.

Okay.

If we get back to the Russian summit, there's not going to be any more meetings now.

That's all we're going to do.

I don't think that'll be the history of it.

The way it comes down... Now, who's working on this?

Well, we try not to go very broad on the people involved because we don't want to get the problem and we can go broader.

Okay, but I don't think we're going to get any, I'm concerned, let me say this, I'm a little concerned about the expulsion of the destroyer.

No one in the expiry has caught up with the sentence.

And, uh, and I have a witness, he takes the firearm, he takes the parts, and he works his butt off, and he's totally going out there, and so forth.

i think you have to realize he's not an expert in anything you know what i mean he's what i mean is you can't figure the job that's going to be his judgment it's going to be all that good you see what i mean yeah and uh we just can't fool ourselves on that uh and waiters are damn good basically uh all purpose man working on things around but uh okay but what they try to do is rank the candidates up

political loyalty, credibility with the farm community, media reaction, demonstrated confidence in farm policy as one, and ability as a spokesman for the farm.

And they've come down to five candidates that they think are still worthy of consideration, and that's Bellman, but I will not pick Bellman, so just forget him.

I'll be teaming.

Bryce Harlow and Louie Nunn.

and I'll take a bus.

If you don't hear the argument, I'm done.

Because that's the one that they keep coming out on top of.

I want to go back to John.

His argument there is he's a farmer's farmer who can talk to him.

He's from a farm state and he understands the issues.

He's close to you.

would have the best credibility, if you want to handle it, if you want to.

It's willing to give up the safe Senate, see who's going to go for the Senate.

While we have two, one will go against Edmondson and lose, and the other will go against, because Wilkinson's got a chance in all this.

No.

Well, I don't want him to go.

Wilkinson has a, Bartlett has the better chance.

And, uh,

They feel, I'm sure they're going to see Mitchell, but I don't think it's fully convinced of that.

I'm not sure.

I'm sure it could be.

When they write them on the criteria, the way they come out is, Bellman is outstanding on loyalty, outstanding on farm reaction, outstanding on media reaction, outstanding on political ability, and good as a spokesman.

Butts would be good on loyalty, good on farm reaction, outstanding on media reaction, good on political ability, and outstanding as a spokesman.

No, I don't know.

Fair to good at all.

Harlow would be outstanding on a couple of counts.

Fair on a couple.

Dunn?

No.

Fair on.

I think that was conventional.

Butts.

It's pretty good.

Butts was manned by a father.

He used to keep his guards out of the others.

He might work on the farm for a man.

Donald is not very smart, but our people are not.

They don't know it.

Butts is a much better speaker.

And Butts is much cooler.

The one argument against him, he's a smart girl, though, is that he's an academician.

That you're taking one professor out and putting another one in.

He has better credibility, really, than our professors.

I heard about him much in an academician conference.

And he's in.

He's not a college president.

He's a...

So he might...

But by the way, I'd rather take a whack at the bucks.

He's 62, which is certainly not too old.

I thought he was older than that.

I think I'd like to...

Instead of watching an experience, you've got to guide it.

Harlow, what's your problem?

Does he think he's the best?

What's Harlow's problem?

Yeah, Harlow, Harlow takes Belden as his first choice.

He takes Pompey as his second choice, but it's third.

Hart kind of, Hart ranks Pompey at the bottom of the list, but he says, and he'd be working good, but he'd lose all the political advantage if you put Pete Pompey in, because then you're not making any change.

It seems to be even a little absurd, but just from the fact that I... Don't.

It's basically a political decision.

I think basically it's the best man to say this is the best man in the world.

But, I was dumb.

Well, that's what they all say.

It was politics that's dumb to them.

So, try to solve the question.

The Democrats are going to take the Harris seat anyway, which is up.

If it's a win, we can't do anything about it.

But the Democrats have no other candidate that they can make viable.

So we don't lose that seat.

We've lost it anyway.

They keep it.

But we will not lose the, you know, Bellman seat because there's still the, the either Bartlett or Wilkinson.

would win the presidency in a special election.

Incidentally, the solution available is very nice.

What I'm getting at is that you just say, look, Tom, you just don't do any interviews when we'd like to.

You'd better like to have your small dinner.

Let me say how you're going to handle it.

How in the hell did Pat get involved in the election for the purpose of those cameras?

I don't know.

Jesus, can you write?

I don't know, I was so shocked or something.

But apparently she's giving lunch.

Missy's giving the lunch.

You see, Missy comes to, she's on some council, we put her on some arts council or something like that.

She comes to Washington once a month.

She's giving lunch.

And she's giving the lunch at the F Street Club.

Her parents would use her for such a goddamn thing as mine.

I was astonished.

My wife accepted it too, and I was astonished.

Should I talk to Mitchell about the dominant thing again?

Yeah, I guess so.

He's there forever.

If you put bugs in, you can make a change again.

I guess I would sense that you've got him on your hands for a while.

I don't know what could be done about that.

The White Secretary of Agriculture is impossible.

Somebody should take a spitzer, somebody like that, somebody more jazzed.

Who's that?

I know, I know that.

I know he's first recognized, but we've got to recognize him.

Well, we had the guy we were going to bring in, and the thing was that they should wait until after we, if there was going to be a change in secretary, that, that, uh, the other, they have, that was the guy's name, they have a guy there on the line.

No.

Another guy.

They're all agreed he's the ideal guy to bring in here.

They thought it was somebody like Tiger Murray.

He's going to be just way off.

As secretary, I keep praising him.

And they just said you can't pull a guy out of a staff position in the Hill and make him a captain officer.

Dipsy, I've seen him.

He's a great actor, too.

He's a great actor.

No, it was the governor who did it.

What?

What's the governor?

No, no.

Yeah, that's proven in either government or something.

What I've had is agriculture is a very technical subject.

That's why Whittier doesn't know anything about it.

I mean, it's a hell of a technical subject.

I guess money is the best thing we've got in time.

I know, but that's right.

You see, if you can get a guy that knows about it and also can speak, that's very official.

Bryce knows about it.

Bryce can speak.

No.

Best for the hill, that's all.

He knows more than all the others look together about this subject matter.

Disadvantages are that he's not that prominent.

Farming farmers wouldn't identify with him.

His style won't be effective in the farm states.

A major drawback is the active division.

This applies to all criteria but to a lesser degree than a loyal supporter.

31 years in agriculture education and assistant secretary.

takes some credibility from farming, and he farmed for organizations and media to be very favorable to his employment, but had adequate political sophistication, but his most important asset is his ability as a spokesman.

Harlow and Harkin feel he's the most forceful speaker amongst the candidates, Harlow characterizing him as having real electricity but common.

He does have, Bellman is not an exciting type of guy.

Harlow, please.

He's maybe a better speaker than I am.

Well, Bryce apparently thinks he is.

This is really funny.

So a guy comes in and they say, Mark, big speaker.

Mark's around with Sam.

Did they forget him?

Yeah.

Did I call him?

You know, everybody said that, that, uh, Tom Collette, who was following me on the phone yesterday, and so many.

Well, they said when I invited him, he was out in the street and saying, you know, I'm qualified, and so forth, and so forth.

And he said, you know, they turned totally around.

And they said goodbye to all of us.

Come in, presence.

all the other things.

And he has, he is, uh, there's nobody, you know, that thinks, that almost thinks of me as a surprising dog, because it's a thing that's kind of, can, it's kind of get around.

Bill Rogers is the only one that says it.

He says, you know, the thing is, that they like about comic, he's always saying good things about the president.

He says, every speech is directed toward building the president up.

Who the hell Jared is?

Somebody told me that is.

So Jack Delaney, as I told you, I saw him the other day, he was saying, he said, well, you're, man, Connolly, he's sure done a great job for you.

And I said, yeah, he's an outstanding guy.

He said, I've never seen him like that.

He said, that's a good job of praising his president.

Yeah.

Hello.

Right.

How are you?

Oh, I find, you know, as a matter of fact, uh, uh, I never said...

Let me ask you, I want to get your appraisal on this agriculture thing.

I mean, I know the views you have put in, but to me it really comes down, you know, of the people that we've mentioned to, uh, uh,

I think it comes down to, you can't hit a lobby king or somebody like that.

I mean, it's just so gracefully known to the people.

And to me, it comes down to the people, other than Cummings or Forth, that I can see is between all of us and Rebellion.

Now, I know you've been a strong Rebellion.

The thing about Rebellion,

Oh, it must have been a medicine symbol.

I see.

Yet, uh, yet he's a very strong speaker, they say, and all that sort of thing.

Yes, yeah.

Yeah.

I wonder if the Benson thing may be too far back in the memory.

The problem that you have with Henry is that, uh, well, part of the Senate and all the other things is that there are real questions to what are he, frankly, could understand the intricacies of the goddamn thing.

You know, this is the most intricate thing we have nobody here really understood.

No one does.

Yeah.

Oh, I know he's a farmer.

There's a lot of farmers in the middle of the middle of the street.

Cow shit and pig shit.

Do you know that?

Do you think he does?

Yeah.

Where that's necessary, huh?

I'll be out.

Yeah, that's for sure.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

My palm will stay on.

Stretch.

Up.

Yeah.

Yes, it is.

The trouble with buses is that the best thing, I see your point there.

Yeah.

But you don't like that, do you?

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, that's a very awful price.

Sure.

Yeah.

And we wanted to get those hog prices up.

And that's about it.

Yeah.

Corn and hog.

Corn and hog ratio.

Yeah.

Okay.

Right.

Good to see you guys today.

And we all have, well,

We're gonna, I'll tell you this one thing, I can assure you.

He's back in a minute.

sabotaging our, as I said, it's really a rock and roll that the same people that got us into Vietnam have sabotaged every effort of my effort to get us out.

And by God, and the whole record is printed, as you can read between the lines, we've been doing an awful lot that we have not publicized.

We've had a hell of a lot of meetings they know nothing about in all sections of the world.

And these sons of bitches are gonna have to pay.

They're gonna make them pay.

It really is.

They're irresponsible, man.

Here we are.

We got the category down to five this week.

What the hell do they want?

They want to lose.

They want the country to lose.

Yeah.

That's right.

They're having problems.

All right.

The economy will have to see.

If it has to go up, you know the economy is out of our hands.

That's just one of those things.

It's either going to go up or it isn't.

I think it will.

We shall see.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, let's take a look at the price.

All right.

Bye.

Talk to him.

He already said, but sometimes I can't say that.

That's what you've got to do.

I raised that.

Nobody else did.

Nobody else.

Nobody else has been around that long.

Well, Bryce didn't seem to be concerned.

He had a problem with bringing Benson back to life.

He didn't bother.

He follows the other calls around, and we're not here in Benson.

I mean, none of the people that you've been talking to.

We're not as sensitive about it.

That's the nation we're talking about.

Well, I know.

I know.

And what's is true is that I am very close to Vincent.

We considered the Secretary of Agriculture at the beginning of the network, and I was daring him against it.

I thought he would blow it here and call it, and it would be all right.

He was so drunk.

That's just how much of a moment that is.

Do it.

We can see that.

I don't want to go over any of this.

Out of objection.

You want to take it up with him?

Yeah.

Rogers called me about the, uh, uh, and his office had raised with him of putting, uh, shoot, putting on, uh, the guy on the bed, you know,

where Bremer answered that flash post and he said that we have to understand that there will not be a replacement for Bush until UConn changes because its Deputy Secretary General and a new Secretary General is selected and that we should not say anything about that.

He doesn't mind, maybe he don't, but he said we don't make the appointment.

Secretary General Harris, it will probably go to an American, but we would sink his chances if we got into it now.

All right, fine.

and that when we get the new Secretary General, we'll talk to him, and he feels sure we can get the man in line.

All right.

Good job.

Just very briefly, I wanted to get some guidance on the court.

The Attorney General is en route to Philadelphia, so I've had a chance to talk to him.

Two basic questions I'll get this morning.

Will the appointment still be made this week?

Now, yesterday I said there's no change in what you previously said.

I can shift that a little or begin to move that today if you

So did I. I've also took the line yesterday that you have not made selections.

I'm not getting into any discussion or speculation on names, but I'm saying that... Well, we...

I think the way you can answer both questions is that you should know which one of them is the person's name.

And in general, it's one of the names for the advice.

that they will be meeting sometime this week.

It's today.

Today at the house.

Yes, sir.

Yeah.

I don't know if he is being followed, so I don't know if I can find that guy.

Thank you, sir.

Well, like I said, we've said that we have not made, we have been there.

And while their recommendations that we've received today will not be finalized,

We may be able to make it this week, we're not sure.

But I just keep it, the thing is, I don't want you to say we're going to let it, I just want to say that tomorrow is a meeting later than we had thought.

Which is true, because we're going to meet at the weekend.

We have also said, I have said, and the Attorney General has said, that there are other names under consideration than those before the bar.

So that, actually, there's not a great deal of pressure.

That's why I raised this about this week, if you want me to loosen it up a little.

I think it may be this week, and we'll surprise them.

But I simply say, well, there are other, there are also some other names.

Let me, you know, in the very next week, I think I must say,

You remember what I told him when I had my questioning?

Yes, sir.

And I said, I always thought I should not speculate.

You recall what I said?

I reminded him what the president said.

Don't speculate about this situation.

There are many stories to be told.

There are only six that are in consideration.

We're running them.

Because I've never confirmed them.

And I...

There are others, there are other under consideration in those departments.

You see, the point is, we're going to, we're just going to find out that there have been a number of names.

For sure.

And we've considered them all.

This is going to be what I'm saying about the acts that we've already done here.

I'm going to try to clear up the pieces.

Sure.

All right.

Something like that.

In other words, we might do it this week, but don't.

But we might not.

I don't know how far, what will happen tomorrow.

What happened to some other people?

Just say that the... Now, on the veto thing, I've answered that, the ABA veto thing.

I've said that I've never talked about that one way or another with the President.

Now, do you want me to take it to the step today that we would consult with the ABA and take their recommendations under consideration?

Because I am getting the question, will the ABA, is the ABA in a position to veto a name?

Just continue if you are not.

I'd rather have you keep it loose.

Right.

That's not a matter before us.

Is it possible that

Just one final question.

Is it possible that a name would be submitted without consultation with the AG?

It is.

Don't tell them that.

It's very possible.

We didn't submit a bird.

Right.

Following that, however, the AG, the Attorney General, indicated he would consult.

Well, no.

I just wouldn't.

It's impossible to submit.

I just said, well, I don't want to get into that.

I just right at the end of the day, I put that bird in.

Okay.

I'll just stay loose on the whole thing.

We're never going to submit a name, but get it for your information.

So that's like submitting it to the animation newspaper.

That's right.

So that's true, and that's a matter of action for your guys.

I want you to keep them, though, on the trail.

Carry them off on the trail.

It's going to be a little bit...

Well, they're convinced it's a little bit private.

I mean, it may be one or both.

They're both very actively under consideration.

But also, there are two others that are very active under consideration.

And I haven't decided yet.

I'll just say, you have not decided?

I have not made a decision.

And I can explain this to you.

These people screwed up on the China trip.

They screwed up on the economic policy.

They screwed up on the Soviet trip.

They're going to screw up on this.

They just try to be too goddamn smart, that's all.

And they're not going to find out from me.

I sort of like the way that you're doing.

We'll give many hints.

Right, and I haven't even hinted to us here the fact that we're all, we're just stuck with what they're saying.

I try to play it that way.

Actually, if you know the name of the person who was at the ABA, you have a perfect reason for that.

Well, you didn't submit it to the ABA because it leaves you, you know, automatically it was unfair to the people.

One thing I want you to put down is a good phrase that I quite frankly agree with, because I was just thinking about it.

I feel that my experience in the sense of having a letter from one lady, and this one, I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to support her, so I'm going to, I'm going to exhilarate the press, exhilarate the press about it.

destroy it.

I want that put to him.

I want to remind you, President, President doesn't take it as a failure to have a name submitted, and then simply for inspiration, and then have it tillerated with the press, and then without having his side of it adequately presented first.

I'm going to present the names as far as I'm concerned.

You're right.

But I don't want to reflect that today.

Well, they are.

I anticipate, no.

The interest is focused on Supreme Court and then, of course, on the Phase 2 board.

But you understand we're cheating for Friday on that now.

So, for William Rapp today was named the Noble Peace Prize.

What?

I almost fainted when I heard that.

It's the most incredible thing I've ever in my life seen.

It is unheard of.

It's so ridiculous.

It's the third.

He better not be in detention in time.

That would really create a stir.

And I have no problems.

We have problems here.

Henry, Bill Rogers, and Bill Rogers, and Henry, of course, you've got some preeminence.

And of course, you've got asshole Gary Spencer Hall, and the Nobel Peace Prize.

Yeah.

Uh, this is Eric.

But the, uh, I was gonna say, a lot of the trees, off in the wild, there's a, a quarter of Mary McCurry, but she must be dying, so Henry's trip became a rescue operation.

Man, that was weird, Donald, last night.

No, she stayed.

Well, you have to consider the sort, huh?

You have to consider that.

She slipped off about three years ago.

She went to that poor woman.

She said, it's her best job.

She loves him.

For Christ's sake, something to do about that.

He's violent against us, but he doesn't write to us.

One thing, Bob, that I don't want to be sure we have very clear.

I don't want this to go to clients.

I don't want to get into our time.

Please, people I'm listening to, it is worth it, Rob.

It really isn't.

I mean, when you read, I mean, it is from now until the election, you've got to realize you're going to be totally against it.

I realize he's a leader, for Christ's sake.

But he is against, and he'll only write something on the figures.

But now, I just wouldn't bother with people like that.

I just wouldn't do it.

Let me put it this way, there are so many others that need to be, that need a little attention.

It's like listening to Art Pryor.

He's really, really, he's indicating something against it.

I don't, don't do it anymore.

I don't want to fire someone.

I don't want to climb anyone.

I don't want to scout anyone.

You've got to get rid of this goddamn Coley.

You don't see everybody, do you?

No, I don't.

Well, I'll just keep him waiting a little while.

It's like hanging with Jill Crafty.

I mean, that's his name, Jeff Crafty.

But he has a good story on the floor.

Not yet.

Not yet?

Not yet.

Do I think we should send... No, it's fine, fine, fine.

No, I...

They're hurting.

I think we're about ready to do it.

All right, don't go... Oh, hell, I heard a deep mouth there, but I understood that you told me that Rob was opening up on you.

I am.

At the right time.

I am.

Yes, sir.

I definitely am.

I put it this way.

That's opening up the head.

It's far more important.

You can listen for a dialogue.

Well, yes, I do.

His influence is outside of what he writes.

He, Lissagor, is a strange duck.

He will get out there, he will talk out here in a different way around his colleagues and influence his colleagues differently than

for example, on that Adronci thing, which doesn't get much blood anyway.

It's a strange thing with Wissador.

And I don't know... Yeah, I met with Teddy White yesterday, who's in here.

And he... Well, he does...

He wants to go to town in the worst way.

He's very frankly about it.

I think in some degree he does that.

Well, how is he homeless?

Well, you really can't pick out a specific.

I know he talks to people, and he's considered to be sort of a grand and successful.

Well, I think just in terms of attitude, and in terms of his attitude as he moves amongst the press.

I'll tell you another guy like that, and it's a hard thing to say sometimes, but Osborne has a...

mesmerizing the facts of it.

It's amazing.

It is amazing.

He was so impressed by that Japanese thing.

Everybody has running around saying it wasn't that impressive.

You're right.

We've done it a hundred times.

It was impressive the first time.

Well...

So I just...

I understand what you're saying.

Let me put it this way.

I'm not thinking so much in that term.

Should they affect the television guys?

Absolutely.

Well, if they do, then it's important.

See, but Peter, listen to me.

What they write is not important.

What they write affects the television guys more than anyone.

Because the television guys are done with it anymore.

That's right.

Absolutely.

Well, you see my point.

Yes, sir.

I think that, for example, the client's problem is the client, and he's changing something.

The client always...

And our people here in Christ, we used to spend time with Bill Potter, and I'd worry about what he wrote in the Baltimore Sun.

Peter Lissagor has not gotten an exclusive out of the White House.

Lissagor has never gotten an exclusive from me.

What I try to do with Lissagor is keep him neutralized, just by how I deal with him and how I play into his ego a lot.

He has a big, you know, laughing at his dirty jokes occasionally.

That type of thing.

Smart.

I'll never forget the time he did it at four or something, which some of them on that night.

Oh, he knew exactly what he was doing.

He did us in.

But the problem there is there's no appeal on this.

I'm not believing even the White House will respond.

It's hard to agree on anything.

You will not get an answer.

Neither will I.

Did you get those dates earlier?

No.

If the Greyhound is March 13th, of course, on the 67th, it's probably going to be, what is it, April 14th or something like that.

We have the problem with that.

Well, now I've pulled those over, so I've got the best of ideas.

And if I pull them over, it's going to be done.

They are capable of delivering.

So I'm going to send it out there.

Or I'm going to send it to the vice president.

The vice president is going to find everything that we have.

And everybody that's in Spain, they're going to be in command.

This is the greater part.

And I've got to fight that for you.

We're going to send two of those men.

Tell them to change their dinner.

Oh, I'm going to just wait.

I'm going to change that.

If you do that, can I serve in the White House?

I could be a waiter.

It is.

It's raw.

Very raw.

We're going to do the photographers next year.

Just to drop by, though.

Don't.

You're right.

Fifteen.

I don't think I have.

Don't go.

That's not wrong.

No, switch.

Drop in.

Fifteen minutes.

Don't even put on a tux.

Just drop by and...

Present the award or something or say hello to them.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Actually, all of the entertainment is so atrocious.

Well, you want to leave because the entertainment is atrocious.

No, but that's too nice on those things.

You have to do that stuff.

That's the wrong thing to do.

Johnson was smart on that.

He didn't do it.

We up one.

By doing it, you've done that now.

Oh, absolutely.

Yeah, yeah.

Marty Schramm can't get near me, even in the briefing room.

That's right, absolutely.

That's the one publication that I would be very delighted in, and I think we should do this.

Oh, no, I need to ask, and that includes Los Angeles Times.

I've got to have them.

You understand?

I will not have the Los Angeles Times, because they put this in.

They will not have us.

They'll squeal.

The Los Angeles Times ain't going to go.

That may not mean.

to our advantage because of their new service.

See, the new sale won't hurt as much as the finding turns out.

If the finding turns out, we will recommend it.

See, China's a different kind of thing.

I'll have to go out and find somebody else.

But my point is, if we manage the finding turns out, I don't think any of those specials will be invited.

The number's not on the forehead of this company.

With that, it should be the wire service.

I mean, it's helping the TV.

Where is the wires?

That's it.

We should start at the end of the magazine.

That's another reason.

The TV comes first.

The wires come second.

And after that, this is the other thing.

You can't move it.

You're not going to make a thousand man.

We just got to see what they come up with as a final figure.

Then sit down and work out the message.

coverage that we can get out of what's there.

Which is wonderful, and we all keep talking about TV.

What are we going to do with our anchors?

We might do exactly the other way around.

The idea that, well, you put the New York Times, and all the rest, and then way down the line comes TV and radio.

Just, you know, we're totally turned upside down.

We're going to do what's on our anchors this time.

It's on our anchors to take any writing for us.

Except the AP movie.

That's what I said.

Thank you.

One thing I didn't raise when we were talking about that John Rose and all the California employment, the point that he covered that I didn't raise that may be worth at least thinking about, and that is he's saying he would strongly suggest that we tell all that B to go easy on the federal employment reduction exercise.

You know, we've made the grandstand play out.

The question is whether we really want to deliver.

He makes the point that the required personnel cut, DOD, to set off a vast planning exercise is going to take most of October.

It's diverted resources and people from the California effort.

He questions whether that's worth it.

And can we at some point soon say we have got 5% of some federal fund number and then forget it?

Then after the election, we go through the real reduction of the Civil Service Quality Control Program and all that.

You see, now, that's a good point, that the first stone cuts of this are primarily eliminated the youngest and most competent people in a department.

That's, we're getting some of that.

And it's a question of whether we really want to make the, if we do want to make it, then we've got to do it.

But whether we really do want to make the, make the cut, sure.

All right, I think we just made a grandstand.

Now I'll soften it up.

How about Sondland Selected then?

Sondland Selected.

Now let me tell you this, though, and I know you just, like everybody else, you can't believe this, but can they do what I want to do with regard to public broadcasting?

Can they do what they want to do with regard to that goddamn Peace Corps thing?

You cut it back 15 to 20 percent, don't you?

I'm not concerned, see Johnny Rose is a liberal, and he would be concerned about some of the young people, and that all would not be done.

No, he's going the other way.

That's not what he's after.

Then cut them.

That, that, that of course compensates for these cuts by cutting HEW, by cutting HUB, by cutting transportation, by cutting the Peace Corps.

Action is called.

You understand?

Yeah.

Let us go on.

Let us.

Let us go on defense.

Let us rise.

Rise.

God damn, I guess, I mean, I'm sure this isn't good at this point at all.

Yeah, but I feel very strongly that those, that kind of agency that I don't like about being cut, are divided.

Yeah, I sure do.

They're all our enemies.

Cut our enemies out.

Yeah, I mean, we're out of our minds to just tell everybody, good, bad, or otherwise, to cut 5%.

What we should be doing is cutting 50%.

I mean, in fact, in a lot of places, we've said that.

But it's hard to keep people out of that.

It is hard.

All the people that sit here in Washington, D.C.

They've got all the nice people.

They've got kids.

Gee, was this just before Christmas?

That'll be hard.

That's all the time before Christmas.

No, really.

That's what's going to come up.

Sure.

And so we can't do it.

Oh, Christ.

You can't run with it.

It just gets bigger and bigger and bigger.

That's a goddamn mess.

What do you mean, our time?

We've got it.

Okay.

We've got it.

We've got this made.

And of course, there was a recession.

There was a recession.

That's the whole problem.

He was not bound.

I don't think that's a quote.

You see what my story is?

Imagine what would be without him.

Everybody would be battening out of hatches without the shells flying around.

Thank you.

Senator is so-and-so, except that when the chips are down, his judgment over rights is evil.

Archer, Archer is whether to be considered any smarter than anybody else regarding this.

Kissinger has some awe of the presidency.

Archer has none.

That's exactly right.

Archer has absolutely no awe of the presidency.

He has great ego need for what the presidency can give him.

You're appointed then.

Well, who ever handled the cabinet is now mine.

But that's an excuse for us on the cabinet.

There are other people like Coffey around this country.

There really are.

Well, there are people like, I think, for example, you could have taken the thing you're calling.

Look, you'd be a good cabinet officer.

You'd be out there charging.

I mean, rather than saying it, for example, it would be perfectly candid, wouldn't it?

stands, is loyal, says the right thing, does the right thing, but it doesn't have much spark.

But, you know, we need a guy out like Conway that can speak, go in front of which, that's what it is all about.

I have a vision, too, I think, a limit for himself.

You know, there are two examples of people that are good in their public relations, but when you come right now and feel like, God, that will not, you know, it won't be strong.

But, I...

I'm sure you're right that there are people, but I'm not sure where they are or what they're doing in Christ.

You look through the governors.

Look through the Senate.

Well, that's the reason I feel like we ought to have somebody over the planet looking for people.

See, he's got an accent.

He's Eastern people.

I think the mallet generation, I don't know.

Well, that's why we've got a mallet doing it, and he works on a totally different basis.

He does that all over the country.

He does, and not on the basis of who he or somebody else knows.

He does it on the basis of the track record and what other people we don't know.

A mallet has been a goldmine of a fine.

A fine, I think, is something really good.

It's pretty likely a repetition of what everybody else has done.

When they came up, always with the same goddamn old names.

I really, it's a really good truth.

Well, who knows?

Gordon Gray.

So Gordon Gray's up to two years old.

Right old, Gordon.

Fine.

Yeah.

It's really true.

It isn't all that bad, but really it is.

The things we get.

And it's not just money.

I do the same thing.

Anybody asks me, who do I know?

I always say, who the hell do I know?

Your personnel man should be someone that isn't doing it that way.

You should be calling this country.

You should go in Chicago and say, who's the best man in Chicago?

That's exactly right.

Go to the Los Angeles, St. Louis.

Decode.

Go into the various rooms.

The business council.

Remember the, uh, the little library that we used to try to go to the business council and say, well, who is the heavyweight that's goddamn out there?

You think Peterson's done a good job on the textual thing on the other side?

Yeah.

Then over here.

I see the media in Sweden, you know, super heavy-handed.

Actually, for the sweet little guy we got him to, I think he just irritated me.

Heavy hand.

He was light-handed for two years and never got anywhere.

At some point, a heavy hand was required.

I put it on there, but I didn't know.

Rockets has got this state on them.

When the state came up, they leaked him.

You know, you saw that.

That's wrong.

A lot of villages, if he doesn't do something, it's probably hard for him to...

I was tripping.

He's going to be pressing that.

I think what we ought to try to find is a way for Roger to do it.

All right, we go to Russia.

You know where we go.

But not for the purpose of doing the schedule.

Get my point?

Let's go.

They would say, well, we can't do it.

You see, it's better for going to China

Absolutely, because everybody goes to Russia anyway.

Well, Bill misses the whole point in saying that he ought to go ahead and advance mission to China, to Russia, because what he's doing then is lowering himself to Kissinger's level.

A cabinet officer shouldn't be out doing staff work for the president, for Christ's sake.

It's bad enough for Kissinger to be doing Kissinger, to be doing Kissinger wrong.

It should be Hayden and Chickman ought to be out there working that out.

Or Holdridge and Chickman.

I don't know how he did it, but he's got that needle in that voice, and he said it all the next time he came around.

But all I have to write is little stanz.

We don't know stanz.

I mean, that stanz, that stanz will be big enough.

See, I don't give a damn about having a Russian thing.

I've been asking people, and they said, well, what was the difference?

That's wrong.

I mean, your character should be the big thing.

It doesn't make any difference.

Now that it's been announced, it doesn't matter.

It's been announced, but I don't know what the difference is.

Well, one of them is on China.

Oh, yeah.

But you see Russia can't enter.

Well, it's just like, I don't have one that's, I think the hardest for the Chinese is not letting any political congressional people in.

And I'll stay with that, I think.

It would...

really take some lineage off.

They do it in India, but if we can avoid it, we're well off.

On the other hand, in Russia, I don't know.

The fact that the governors are all over there now, or were over there, just makes a bit of difference.

And if Manseil and Scott and the whole United States side goes over, it wouldn't make a bit of difference.

Speak today about the possibility of rockets.

Okay.

I have a question.

But we really have to anticipate a problem in full advance.

Because Roger is going to be very tough on us.

For the wrong reason.

Roger feels very much like this is up to him.

What he wants is not the religion.

He really wants to go ahead and sort of be impressionist around.

He arranged the Russians.

He didn't arrange the Russians.

It's a childish way to go at it.

He's just, for his own objective, he's doing it the wrong way, because he puts himself down in the kiss of your clients, and it's a different, he doesn't think about it, because he's totally different person, just because the addiction works.

I mean, but, I imagine that, because I told you the story, probably.

I'm not a bit surprised.

What irritated me the most was that sharp story I started.

That's a kind of kid's rough.

You're out of the war.

We haven't had too much of that.

That was pretty rough.

It was pretty rough.

As far as Bill was concerned, he didn't mention it.

But that's the point.

Correct?

Yeah.

Of course, it was a rough story.

You were in this hall.

It was a bad story.

It was very bad.

It was a very rough story.

But I had nothing to do with it.

You should pick it up and take it.

If we get much of that, that one story like that doesn't do any harm unless it builds up as a line of thought, which it hasn't yet, but there's a potential for it.

Because it's another way to frustrate people who don't like to see you getting anything.

That's one way around it is to say that Henry's brilliance is manipulating all these things.

You just sit here kind of not knowing what's happening.

The point is, major point one, it's not true.

And Henry doesn't have all those things.

Sorry.

There's no question that Henry's made a major contribution in all this, but he knows, and he's the first one to admit when he's being honest about it and it doesn't have an audience, that, you know, that it's you hanging in on it that's made it, put it, put it together.

Not that it's right in the way that it was mine, obviously, you know, I never thought of that idea.

From the beginning, he started wondering what the hell.

I guess, you know what, you kind of lost your mind.

That's right.

A lot.

The remaining of it.

That was my idea.

You know, I mean, not his.

That's right.

I suggested Ruben.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

He said very often that he approved of it.

You know?

Okay.

I don't know whether the initiatives on the bold strokes have been yours, the bombing shut in Vietnam, all that kind of stuff.

You said do it, then he's figured out a plan and a way to do it.

Got it done, which is what he should do.

He, though, must not be allowed to, he's got to knock down this kind of story here.

Yeah, really had to do it.

It was very hard, but he did it.

One more thing, sir, before I go out.

Al Haver's calling about the Willie Braun thing.

And I'll be asked, no doubt about it, for a reaction.

No.

Al felt that we should simply say... Al thought I should just use one line.

The president's pleased by the selection.

He sent a note of congratulations.

The president's pleased by the selection.

Well, I can't really go.

Or congratulate someone?

Yeah, well, just that, yeah, I think that the President has sent the, uh, he has sent the Chancellor of War a message congratulating Ivan Samson.

Right.

So, that the President has noted that he has sent the Chancellor of War a message of congratulations.

That's good enough.

That is, please.

What did I say?

He sent the Chancellor of War a message.

Well, you've got to pay the collar, you know.

No.

We haven't read any messages in a few times.

We'll pick up the message.

Okay.

John Price leaving to run for office.

I have an idea.

He can pop the rose and just perfect.

Perfect.

can be used quite often, Bob.

And then Rose, she'll know all the answers herself, and then she can come in and I'll give them answers.

What I don't want to do is to get any reporter in this room and then have to sit there so that they psychoanalyze me and all that bullshit.

Get that right?

But from now on, have all things like that go to Rose.

All things.

Is that clear?

We're going to write something about me.

Go to the secretary.

You can talk to her.

She can give you most of the information.

If you've got any questions, you can...

I don't want to... No, I'm not going to take any answers.

I'm not going to do that.

If you've got any questions, factual questions, why don't we do that?

She'll be glad to tell you that.

I'm not going to give an essay on what's my opinion of what this letter says.

I can't.

We may have a... We may have a proposal come out this weekend.

I've already talked about it.

What do you think?

Is this business about the money?

Yeah, it's better to say.

Well, I have work to do if you want to.

Well, I know.

I'll come here, but I can work with Gurley.

I've been on his family earlier.

I can work with his tax office.

I read that a hell of a lot.

You might need to pile it up and work on it.

Thank you.

We talked a little bit about the two things.

How do we handle the writers' things?

If you talk to Al about building one, it can go.

Again, I've raised the problem.

We have questions.

I haven't talked about it.

I've got a whole list of things I want to spend some time with Al on today.

Thank you.

Well, you talk to him, and then you and Al and I work out a strategy on it.

I think that we can, I think we have a clever way to do this.

I think Rogers ought to go to Russia.

I agree, Jim.

But I think he ought to go maybe with Stans.

Not for the purpose of advancing the trip, and he could just go over, he and Stans could go over for the purpose of talking about a trade or something like that.

And Henry will go up the goddamn wall.

But Henry's got to recognize that we've got to be a rider or something.

A rider's got to pressure us the other way around.

The other thing is that telling you that I'm going to talk about the Russian advance now, usually this is a good time.

Yeah, sure.

Are you ready to fire with me?

All right.

Okay.

On the other hand, as a matter of fact,

I think we hear it enough that part of this, some of them, but the other, the fact that I do retain a certain pretty equilibrium and also the, and avoid the weight problem and the rest makes one hell of a difference to people.

It sure does.

The fact that you do look very important.

And I think I do.

I can't tell you, but most people are quite surprised.

He don't, you know, they expect people to love him.

You know, Johnson aged dark, so did Kennedy.

But he aged awful.

He was making because of that court of some business and all, and he puffed up.

But he looked, he looked very bad.

I started to change.

That looked exactly the same when he left as when he ended.

Part of it was his.

He delivered.

He paid off.

Didn't let it bother him.

But I don't think I've changed one hell of a lot.

Johnson changed an enormous amount.

Of course, FDR was like the portrait of Dorian Gray.

He went down low in a rapid rate and relaxed.

And, well, really after the first four or five years, he started deteriorating.

Look at the pictures of him, the rest of the world.

I was going to talk to you a little about the Russian Rogers.

This is the relationship that we've got to work on.

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On the other hand, as a matter of fact,

I think we hear it enough that part of it is subtle, but the other, the fact that I do retain a certain, pretty equilibrium, and also the, and avoid the weight problem and the rest makes one hell of a difference to people.

Sure does.

The fact that you do look very important, and I think I do, as a matter of fact.

but you know, most people are quite surprised.

They don't, you know, they expect people to look, you know, Johnson aged an arm's length, you know, I'm honest, look at Kennedy.

But he aged, oh, mainly because of that court of some business, I don't know, maybe he puffed up, but he looked, he looked very bad.

Eisenhower had a change, he was old, Eisenhower had a change, that looked exactly the same when he left as when he had, part of it was his equilibrium.

I didn't let it bother me.

But I don't think I've changed what I hope.

Well, Johnson changed an enormous amount.

Of course, FDR was like the portrait of Dorian Gray.

He went down low at a rapid rate.

And, well, really after the first four or five years, he started deteriorating.

Look at the pictures of the rest of the world.

I was going to talk to you a little about the, we have the Russian, Rogers, Kissinger, Lloyd, we've got to work on it.

There was a story that somebody saw, did you happen to see it by George?

Did George share the story?

Did George share the story about that Dr. Kissinger was the man who planned all this?

Oh, yeah.

Yes, sir.

Yes.

That's right.

But even more disturbing to me, but to me, is his dynamite with Rogers.

Absolutely dynamite.

Because every time that Peter is in angry, he's manipulating the President in Rogers' name, as he mentioned at all, that Rogers can then put himself in a position to say, this is hurting the President.

And he's right.

Well, he is right.

No, I called Henry.

That's right, President, because it looks like you're up ready for purely cynical reruns.

I don't know what you're writing to all of us, telling me what to do.

I write in my mind about the commons and all the rest, and I finally agreed with this praise of Paul from Harvard.

It was a vicious story.

It really was.

I called Henry about it.

I told him that it was an old man's disaster.

And he talked to him?

Yeah.

And he knew about the story?

He knew about it when I told him.

I sent him a summary of it because I reacted the same way.

I thought it was a tragedy.

Well, Henry has to be extremely terrible, I mean, in all of his public appearances.

I know he's bad, but he's got to be dead clear of what is true.

He knows very well how old he is and what all is happening.

That's right.

Well, I must say I've heard him stand on countless occasions.

He's usually very good at it.

He's got to do it just about the way Conway does.

He's got to do it that way.

Conway makes up .

He comes out ahead.

Look at what it's done for Conway.

That's the thing.

You guys would be smart enough to realize.

He says, bye.

Bye.

putting himself down, building the president up.

He has built himself into the, and has scaffolded himself into by far the strongest position in the capitol.

He's not where in Texas he'd go to Texas?

He's still in California right now, San Francisco.

He leaves this afternoon and goes to Texas to be at the ranch tonight.

Now, if you could imagine, Rogers is very concerned about Henry's trip here, but

And so he has now come up with an idea which is totally wrong.

You're not reporting this to Henry.

This is something we've got to handle in a very simple way.

And if we do not report it, can we get the president to handle it?

Don't worry about it.

He doesn't have to be bothered with it.

Roger has come up with the idea that he wants to go to Moscow.

This is Henry's going to be keen to advance the Moscow trip.

First of all, he's going to be stupid.

I think there is a way to handle the problem, and this will disturb Henry, but it's a way to do it, and it's not, let me explain.

We have kept Rogers, of course, from going to Moscow.

And actually, we would never allow anybody to go to PT before I got there.

But everybody goes to Moscow.

A bunch of governors are going to pay the goddamn attention.

Secretary of State is going to have to let us pay the goddamn attention.

It is, the main part is the substance, what's involved.

I never thought that what we ought to do is to

Roger's probably got that in him.

Back in his mind, probably is the idea that he really would go and therefore be the architect of the Soviet visitation, or even the architect of the Chinese visitation.

That we cannot yet make him because of the substance.

He doesn't know enough about it.

He doesn't know what the great world is.

Now, what, the way I'm going to hand the Moscow events, I want you to make me honest, we've got, we've got a storm on hand.

Has Henry ever spoken to you about the fact that he would go to Moscow and set up meetings?

He must never go.

I don't think he has that in him.

He must not go.

Henry, as I said, Henry may have the idea, but he'll sit down with Gresham in advance and get the whole scenario, as he said, worked out.

That is not going to be done this time.

He's going to keep the deal with De Bruyne.

De Bruyne, yeah, that's a good conception.

And that should be absolutely firm.

Henry has got to go to Moscow before I do, and he's got to be ready for the meeting.

It occurred to me that we might have to go to SANS.

Let it go there.

The idea being that the whole purpose is to talk about the trade problem.

The Secretary of State goes and SANS goes.

And they meet with various people and they'll have a nice little talk and impression and so forth.

We open the program, you bring it in advance.

just for the fact that we're not going to talk about the trip, so that's on purpose.

Now, in terms of time, it occurred to me that we'd have you do it right after his navel.

He has an exercise with the navel, and he's going to leave.

Now that's a possibility.

We haven't raised it with Roger.

Roger has no idea that he's going to do it at all.

When he is raised, this is the thing.

When we gave it to Paul, he wants to go over there to Moscow.

His name was Goodman.

Oh, Goodman.

Yeah.

Oh, that's just ridiculous.

And he was wanting to go before the Chinatown.

First of all, if he were to go, nobody's going to go to Moscow to advance Moscow before the last of the Chinatown.

That's right, sir.

The last of the Chinatown is over.

It should be advanced people.

because we don't have any substantive business to handle it.

It's not a goddamn thing.

We don't want to talk about wheezing and all that.

We've got a capacitor there that crashes things.

We're going to send the same kind of advance team that we've always sent to Europe and other places.

We have really chipped this time.

We understand that.

But what I'd like to do, Al, is to figure out a way maybe to stand him.

The reason I said stand him is that he's going for a purpose.

He's going for a purpose.

He's discussing on the stand.

He's thinking about early November.

to become effective.

I've been on various purposes to talk about trade.

There's a trade, we're trade discussions.

Period.

Now, the holes and intercourses that inevitably enter into these discussions, and so forth, the race, questions of the medis, and all the rest of the project, just to explain it.

The latter part of this is...

Heather, we can totally control it.

The Russians have been awfully good about that.

You know, our whole operation is to bring a man to tell Rogers about that thing.

No, I think my greatest concern would be the Soviet attitude on the visit from Rogers at this time.

They had been very, very reluctant for their own purposes.

to have a summit or anything else at this time.

I'm just not sure that they want to do it in terms of that time.

I think Henry is a manageable factor in the thing.

His main concern and my main concern is not to screw up the substance.

And I'm especially concerned about European security, which is the major objective of the Soviet Union, to tear NATO apart and the alliance apart.

That's the vehicle they're going to use.

They've had it for two years in their craw.

And that worries me.

And he's moving fast on that.

Secretary.

He's told Dobrynin he's got Hildebrand talking to Dobrynin on the subject.

It's the most

danger single force well to cool him down i talked to him that here when we were we had our meeting and i said we are and he himself said we want to drag or even european security somebody turns him around you think he's turned it down well he's he's treating this the same as the middle east he said this is my preserve and i'm gonna i'm gonna move on it and uh i know what his conceptions are when he starts on something like this he's got his

Yeah.

Dabrynin, a little confused, told Dabrynin, you've made him the man for this topic.

And I think we have to be very, very careful.

It's not going to happen.

It's just that you're about, he knows content well, but what do we want?

Because I discussed it with him when we had our meeting with Romain called Dragbinding, and after Roger was very mild-spoken, I was talking to him a long time, but we don't want to go this far with European security.

He wanted to handle it and so forth and so on.

I said, Michael, just drag your feet.

Well, that's what you should do.

I have no indications he's not, that isn't his strategy, but...

It's a very dangerous thing to get going on a separate wicket when it's the essential aspect of the Soviet objective in everything we're doing.

Well, the problem you get there is that Bill gets the tendency, as he does in the Mideast, to look for... Well, he has a franchise to operate without any cooperation or even any communication.

Yes?

to refuse to let anybody know what he's doing here.

And that's where you get into a problem.

You get your own things going one way, and then he walks in on his wicked front.

Michael, we're talking about European security.

No, we can't do it.

That would, I think, be Henry's main concern.

It would be mine.

And they would be very, very receptive.

They'd love it.

I would have those.

If we had a tornado, it would be the problem, while that one would be homework.

Just forget it.

We got you hurt.

That's right.

Bill might want to slip in and say, well, I have arranged a European Security Conference.

Could Christ say that we want a European Security Conference?

He knows better than that.

We don't want it at all.

We may have agreed on it some time, but we don't want it now.

Well, we have a lot of things to do.

That's what we get from the Russian strikes.

Goddamn.

And by trade, I'm not gonna give any.

The trade thing is, we're going backwards.

Do we get them now?

Well, is there anything that needs to be done with the breeder to cool him off?

This is, well, not before Henry gets back, enters back Monday.

No, I don't think we have any problems doing that.

Well, how does the breeder get the word that Rogers is not handling European security?

I mean, he doesn't have any branches here in the damn thing.

Rogers is just doing the talking.

With me, they get on their knees and it's all good.

Well, they told us to the... You can't treat them solely in America.

No, sir.

I mean, it's great.

I think the two men are going to be pulled together on this subject, and that's always the safest way, so... And he's got the letter out here about the Europeans, not the Russians.

This is not the time to talk to the Russians about European security.

No, I think, and that's what's going to be our saving grace if we can get the Europeans to be opposed, and I think most of them will be.

Then we can just point out to the Soviets that our hands are tied and we have to move forward.

Do you think that will be a solution?

I think that Iran, of course, will be hell-bent for election, but I think the French will be... Well, this needed to be pointed out again.

Jesus Christ, that's the most shocking thing I've ever heard of this.

shows you how the goddamn world has come to.

Well, of course, it's what occurred.

He was the Times' man of the year and all the rest.

You know, it almost makes you think the communists controlled those wars.

What do you think?

Well, I think they have a strong influence on them.

They've always had.

That Nobel gang is... God, look at some of the past candidates.

Martin Luther King.

Martin Luther, that's right.

It's a rarity for them to come up with a solid guy, especially an American, they'll never pick.

They don't like Americans.

No American should have sent him after this, really.

On the summit, Soviet side, sir, we're in an entirely different range of problems with the Soviets.

To send someone like the Secretary of State on an advance would suggest

Let me say, I don't blame your problem.

That has ruled out totally.

I don't even consider it for other reasons anyway.

that we have relations with the Soviet.

I'm just trying to think of a way to get Harry off on something that doesn't involve substance.

That's all.

I don't give a damn what it is, but except that.

I think, you know, not to advance one goddamn thing.

I think we're never going to advance it.

I think, is there something to be built up on this European... Yeah, sure, that's what I'm thinking about.

You know, a showcase story that... That's Jamie Boyce after he gets...

Well, he's average Russian, but he makes a point that, you know, Finch is off to Latin America, and Kanye's off to Asia, and the Vice President's off to the Rockenberg place in Greece.

Well, why doesn't Roger do a European tour?

And why doesn't he go to European countries at the same time?

He could do preliminary work and get the credit for doing preliminary work.

There are four power meetings which could be dumped in in conjunction with NATO, but I don't think that you're going to do that.

No, I'm not so sure they're against it, sir.

I think they were against the idea of coming here and meeting with you, but in the context of the alliance, I think they would probably be in favor of it.

We're going to go to Paris.

That's right, because the game they're trying to play is with us in a special relationship.

Right.

I understand that.

We'll do it if I remember.

Well, they're really doing what we pushed them to do years ago.

We should have another time.

Or maybe we ought to try to get Broderick to make a major European tour this time.

I think we need a lot of sense of the European alliance.

We want to hear from that.

And the consultation, the alliance.

The U.S. could use a big show of... Pre-summit.

Solidarity and consultation and all that.

And also, why don't we do this?

I think what Broderick's all going to do is... Bob, maybe you could use an hour and a half to talk about this.

We can go over this before you come back.

Because Henry...

He just consciously irritates Rogers every time he talks to him.

There's no way he can talk without irritating him.

You know, he just can't help it because, you know, they're just bad.

Get the hell out of here.

I think what we ought to do is to have Rogers do some consulting with regard to our European friends and so forth prior to the Soviet men.

So he should go around, let it go over Europe.

And also, it may be a fairly extended trip.

It's an extended trip of planning on the European thing.

And also, I think he ought to do two or three countries in which he could do some Latin American consultation.

Because we've got to have some sort of a Latin American region, I think, on the web.

That's absolutely right.

Where the hell can we talk about that Rogers?

Now that's not that one place where we can't get in a branch and sell a cheap thing with a hand in the hell out of it.

I mean, you tell me where that's going.

Like Rogers, I swear, why can't we go to, see how they discuss it on Pinterest, or they're going to ask.

Where did you come from?

Black America.

Yeah.

I came from in Brazil.

Venezuela.

I'd go to Brazil, frankly, if I were you.

I'd go to Brazil.

It's basically a capital.

If you go to Brazil, you have no demonstrator problems at all.

I think they could handle it.

That's right.

They only had the facilities, yes, sir.

Yeah.

But I think maybe the Latin American meeting with the Chief of State would be very useful.

Mexico.

Mexico City, of course.

I think that's worth a lot of careful attention and something that we get.

Well, you follow up on that now with Rogers.

You understand?

Let him think.

Let him think how he's doing something.

Henry...

Henry treats everybody like an errand boy.

He doesn't, he just can't help accepting everybody.

Bob, you know how he does.

He just doesn't, and he says, now don't do this, and don't do this, and don't do that.

He can't treat.

He's got to control it, but he's got to learn to do it without treating them as if they didn't know how, and that they couldn't hold their hands.

Let them have the ideas.

Let them have the credit.

I talked to Henry about this, and I said, for Christ's sake, Henry, it's a good idea.

Don't let it appear to be yours.

Let it appear to be theirs.

No.

All right, how about letting Rogers work on that?

Come on.

Would you do it?

Do you see any objection to that?

No, I think it's a good idea.

I think it's urgently needed.

I think it's going to be a democratic platform that should...

They've already... And when will you have it?

Well, we might point...

It's going to take some months to get ready because of the disarray earlier.

Probably December.

How about a time that we could let off the surcharge on him?

That's what I would think.

If we could combine it with that, then we'd really have an era of accomplishment.

I want to do something like a pleaded apart.

How about a time that I remove the surcharge from the life of America?

That would be a good idea, sir.

Well?

But we've got to start it now.

Don't wait until they ever get his fat numbers.

Then he'll get his hands on it.

I know it'll happen.

He'll call Rogers in like a little boy and tell him to do it.

You know that's the way it's going to work.

And Rogers will be furious.

He'll do it, but he won't like it.

Then we will have lost the whole benefit.

That's right.

So you call Rogers and tell him, and I've mentioned this, but tell him that the President would appreciate it if he

rather than Charlie Meyer, that is, I want to tell you, a candidate that I have a hell of a lot of confidence in.

Meyer, I think he's fine with speaking Spanish, but I don't think he's very good in terms of overall taking the place and the rest of it for he and you to work it out, for you and he would like to work it out together.

And you're increasingly concerned about that.

Yeah.

The left arm is going to be becoming an issue.

I think the bill should start this consultation with major Latin American countries immediately on it, you know.

And don't do it after entry terms.

Just start it so that we can set it, make it within a month and 30 days.

By the 1st of December.

And I've asked you, and he can get to work on it, but tell him, I want you to tell him that I'm attentive and that I just would particularly want him...

to supervise this, that he just, he doesn't want to talk to Meyer about it, because I have no confidence in Meyer.

I mean, I don't have, I don't think it's critical that he's a, I don't think he's fine on a computer-computer basis, but he has to.

It's a bigger problem for this one.

This problem is too big.

It's too big.

And it should be closely held and so forth.

But I want the president, I want the secretary to direct the whole thing.

You will be the White House contact.

See?

And tell them that you will work out the date with all of them that we've been working on.

who had us contact, and I'm thinking of a meeting any place they want in Latin America.

But I think it practically probably ought to be, it has to be a three or four day meeting.

It's got to be, because I'll have to be the whole Chief of State of the Division.

So it'll be a long time, but that's all right.

There's no better way to spend our time.

It's a goddamn good thing, huh?

It's a good way to spend time.

Good way to spend time.

If you can go to one place and have a meeting and avoid, uh, obstacles, you might not be able to make any calls out of the country.

Let's go to a, let's go to a place, and I might sit in this area over the shelf and have a meeting.

We could get it all firmed up.

He wrote to me about going to the OAS.

That's all right with me, too.

But they're telling me to figure out the options, and we'd like to decide them very soon.

To do a, could put the clincher on him when the medicine's here, if necessary.

Yeah, he's here after seven.

He's there.

Maybe we'd like to work it out before medicine gets here.

In fact, we don't need it.

Maybe we don't want to announce the loans here, but... Oh, okay.

If we're their energy, that's the biggest country.

But I personally think that Brazil must live that way.

That's my personal choice.

For security and other reasons, it's the biggest country.

It's the center of the country.

And also, it's up to them to take leadership, and after that... Do they have hotel facilities there?

Oh, sure.

One day.

They just make it there.

They've got to have a system.

But you got the press and all that.

Screw the press.

The town is 500,000, mid-thousand people.

Well, I think they have everything.

I think they have everything.

Oh, yes.

This place is built up fast.

But you see, every chief of state in the state is innocent.

Sure.

No problem there.

and the hotel, their status.

They don't like it.

I'm sure they have great facilities because it's so isolated, they have to do that.

Yeah, I bet you they have.

It's terrible.

But for me, this is a controlled language.

Controlled.

Like Rio would be a landmine.

I think your idea about Rogers is correct, too, that in terms of the European thing,

And we really ought to have him make a consultative tour of Europe, planning those over for the NATO meeting.

If you said, first, that you find it as Henry has talked about having the NATO meeting turned into a chief of state meeting, what do you think of that?

Well, I don't know whether you were in the time frame, but I think personally, sir, that it's going to be essential for you to meet with these Western European leaders.

All of them?

Well, certainly the four.

Well, the four, after that.

Yeah, that's right.

I think it should be before Moscow, and really before Peking, and it's just got to be, you're moving from a base of unity and consultation.

And hopefully we could perhaps do it.

Well, why don't you tell a bit about yourself?

discuss with him also the idea of what about a, on the, before Peking and Moscow, that this, but Cullin, don't ask anybody, because he doesn't know we've already consulted these people, you know, and turned down.

What are we going to do?

I don't wait for Henry to get back, because Henry will come back and he'll spend a month to think about it before he says, you know, we've got to start moving.

You see, Al,

Let Henry handle the plays that he, that matter.

He's got to, he's handed Moscow a big game.

But Henry's got to stay the hell out of Ecuadorian fissure-ups and all this other bullshit that he sends in here to me.

He's just got to stay out of it.

Let the State Department handle the crowd.

Don't you agree?

Oh, I do, sir.

Okay.

I think he would, too.

You never think about it.

They've got to feel that they do something.

So you can't help but think they're arrogant.

If you hear it and do a Latin American meeting, and you do this meeting here, so you're setting yourself up for a problem of not doing Africa, well, they all know.

Africa has no interest.

The difference is that Africa has no interest with the communists, but no alliance.

The point is that Latin America is what's part of an alliance.

Yeah.

And we have no alliance in Africa.

We don't have relations with the OAU.

We've got states.

Now, screw Africa.

I'm not going to do that.

You don't consult with a bunch of goddamn cannibals before you go somewhere else.

I don't think there's any problem at all in that.

You can't cancel them when there's a damn funeral or inauguration.

No, sir.

That's all right.

That'll help.

After that, it's not going to be done.

No, I think it'd be a waste of time.

Well, there's not enough to talk about.

Good luck, sir.

Take your comments to the city.

No acronym.

Everybody knows that it's not our sphere of influence, too.

That's a European sphere of influence.

It's ours, but Latin America is.

They're our things.

Okay, if you handle this subject, you can say, now, listen, these are what the things we want to do with it.

But tell it not.

Tell it that secrecy is the thing that's most important.

That's why I don't want another... Don't get it down to the balance of bureaucracy and having the papers.

until we were ready to go because we'll get slapped out publicly now that's right by some country abroad just say let's do this in the game you might already get two or three majors agreed to it and then spring it off now on the european one you want to ask him about about racing and they go meeting their defensive statement of course that'd be all

I think we'd be better off with the four, sir.

I think on that one, I would wait until Henry gets back because it's so intimately intermeshing as a security conference and assault.

But a way I think I would do it would be to ask Pompidou to host a working dinner or a day at a weekend place where the heads of state of the four, in conjunction with the NATO ministerial meeting, would come.

I think they could all do it just for one session as a ceremonial

And have all the heads of state at the ministerial meeting?

No, sir, I don't think so.

It's a little unmanageable.

I would keep it down to the ministers.

And myself?

At the ministerial meetings.

Why would you tie it to the NATO meeting?

What could you do?

What kind of reason did you have that they're trying to consult with other countries in the big four, you know?

What do you do about Belgium?

What do you do about Holland?

What do you do about Greece?

What do you do about Turkey?

She said it's a big deal.

You're putting it to them if you do it in conjunction with the NATO meeting.

Well, then you can solve it, I think.

Well, I think we have to sort this out very carefully.

It can be done very quickly.

And when we move, we only move very decisively to do it.

I have a feeling that they will all welcome it, including the British, because it's in the context of the European alliance.

In fact, Annenberg came in about a week ago and suggested they were very anxious to have such a thing, the British one.

He had it out at Versailles, I think, before.

Yes, sir.

Oh, they had it right in Paris.

They had it right in Paris.

It was impressive.

There are no facilities at Versailles.

People say, see, everybody stays in this embassy.

That's the way it works.

The chiefs say there's no way to handle it without staying in your embassy.

We had not heard back from Watson.

We suggest that he tentatively mention

Well, no, we've told Watson to just do this on a secure basis and to do it in such a way that we make no commitment but to get his thinking.

as to whether or not I'd be receptive to such a meeting.

I think he will be receptive.

You took me to Paris, my meeting.

We've got to go there.

You see, the purpose of reason is as positive as the head of state as I am.

The others are not.

So, you go to the head of state place.

Also, put both the Parisians in here.

the French back into the NATO complex.

It tends to do that.

Now, that'll be a source of some criticism, but it's also a source of some progress in the direction we've been moving.

It seems to me the Latin is a perfect thing to give Rogers his head.

Right, and badly needed.

It will be a plus all the way around, I think.

We should start on that immediately.

He's given him some piece of action in that.

He's given him some piece of the action in that.

It isn't necessary.

Pitcher's getting the hell out of him.

I could not play out what he's doing.

This would be Rogers' action and not Pitcher's.

Pitcher's got to run it down around there now.

He knows he will leave.

I think he's leaving the fifth perception series over that time.

I don't know.

Sure, we can talk to people on the way about it.

Naturally, they'll all want to discuss what they think ought to be on the agenda and work on things like that.

How is the UN vote going?

There's a little bit more optimism, sir, that we may get this all right.

Oh, yes, he did.

He did very well.

He talked very strongly to the Greeks about the problem.

I think we're going to get the Greeks.

I think we're going to get the Turks.

We sent a strong message.

How about the Venezuelans, for example?

These are the ones that we have to... Well, the Venezuelans, it's cold turkey meat.

They come along and they get their oil from the country.

That's what it is.

I don't think they understand that.

Well, they've got to understand it, because the same is true of, I mean, Jesus Christ, we ought to be able to be large in the end in some way, too.

We've gone to them with a strong message yesterday.

A lot of time today.

Yes, sir.

Gave them a...

Moral message.

Gave them a moral message.

I think we'll get them all right.

I think the chances are a little better than they've been.

And we're making a complete wrap-up

tonight for tomorrow's meeting with the secretary and George Bush.

And we're also putting all the leverage points that we have on the stealth defense centers.

You're gone, huh?

What the hell's the matter with that?

I called Rabin and

and gave him a very strong... Well, I think they gave us some planes and we'll do it.

No, no, they didn't, sir, but I think that's the underlying factor that...

You just put it the other way around.

They do this where they aren't, but the others consider denying it.

Well, I gave them a pretty starchy message yesterday.

All right, sir.

Get Roger to work on this thing.

Yes, sir.

It is hard to do all these things, but...

Bill's contact, for example, on the security and security comments is typical of what Henry's concerned is.

God damn it, you gave me something that he wants to, he really wants to pander to this table rather than do it in front of you.

He wants to try to get it all here.

He wants to get it all here and not let anybody know what he's doing so that he can make sure nobody gets it.

He wants to give away the story of how he gets it all crushed.

He has to go to any one of the European security countries.

A big, even the mayor, I know this from the legislative year's meeting.

I was just shocked.

He said it.

He said, oh, this is a Soviet mess.

I mean, if I had otherwise, there was a possibility we might have a European security conference.

I mean, the integration was right.

And Bill Rhodes, that's the point.

He knows about it.

And see, he wants to get his record set so that they, all right.

Well, I think about this thing.

I think he could be let down on the Soviet thing pretty soon.

But the advanced thing, I don't know.

I guess I didn't call him Tom.

I don't want Henry to come in and raise the subject.

It's not to be raised.

I've decided he's not to go again.

And I agree.

I think I don't think he'd go at all.

Because he could screw up some other things.

It's so that to save any embarrassment on a certain extent, you could well plan the difference between the two.

You know what I mean?

We have diplomatic relations with the United States.

We've never done it with any other country.

The Secretary of State is always the right thing to do.

Yes, while we're going to discuss things, a very great subject, as we are, that should be done in diplomatic channels.

He knows very well, of course, he's smart enough to know that.

If the Latin American won't do the diversion, that's fine, we'll let him handle it together.

Well, it helps.

It helps us a little bit, but it helps us to give some publicity.

The thing that would help, if it did seem to be worthwhile, that I think would divert him, is that he could do a sort of grand tour of Europe type thing, where he, by and large, is looking like he's preparing the Allies

That sort of thing.

As a follow-up, maybe he can't do it because they're all there at the NATO meeting and that's where he should do it.

But he could go back... Oh, those foreign countries are there.

Yeah.

He could go back and meet with heads of state from the European countries, couldn't he?

I mean, heads of government.

Yeah.

Where do I go here?

I suppose I'd have to set mine in late January or something.

Yeah.

Here's the problem.

The ideal time for me to go to this kind of state is in December or April.

Well...

Alright, good to know.

Hey, why couldn't you do it and I'd be able to follow up on it with the other countries, huh?

Why couldn't you do it with the big four and then Bill follow up on the rest of you?

Be there with you in this house while you're gone.

Well, he could go before he knew it.

The test isn't, you know, with all his charm.

He just isn't the right man in that job, is he?

No, he really isn't, Bob.

He's just a goddammit.

He's just as hilarious as the right man in the fence.

He's just got two people there that have great ability, he's arm's ability, both of them, their way.

You can't see the big things, can you?

Do you think he ever sees the big things?

He does.

Once in a while, but he...

But above everything else, it's all he sees.

He sees it through Rodgers coming across.

Yeah.

You know, I was thinking that on all these big things, he's...

He knows they're big.

He knows they're important.

He wants us to succeed.

You know, there's...

He's a little bit different from Larry in that respect.

I'm sorry.

I don't care.

He'll do what he does.

On the other hand, he's just...

Painfully, just painfully eager.

Eager to the goddamn stirrup.

Where'd we stop?

Stirrup up and raise the flag up.

Democrats are going to make Latin American-ish, let me tell you.

You know, people here don't give one shit.

Your children, absolutely.

We've been around this track a number of times.

No Latin American has stayed here.

Nobody gives one ticker damn about Colombia, Venezuela, etc.

We cry.

You know, they didn't care about Mexico.

Not much.

Mexicans do.

Pretty much.

But you know what I mean.

We don't need Mexicans.

That's a good job.

It's too bad.

That's why if you do, if you do anything in Latin America, it would be a lot better just from our viewpoint, I think, to go down to South America than it would be to go to just to Mexico.

I agree.

But we over... Because you've been to Mexico and we've so overdone the Mexican president.

Yeah.

Go down to Latin America.

That's not bad.

Anyway, I mean, I don't know that he won't get any world leaders.

That's it.

And sort of mobilize that.

You have to do Canada, so you will have done that.

God damn, Canada.

You know, isn't it rather ironic that most people just get to touch a hell of a bunch of demonstrators in Canada?

The Canadians are considered to be, like most of these Americans, so they are pure, but they can't protect them.

They're not fun.

They haven't been true to Sweden, right?

That's why this year, I don't think you want to get into any tour in Canada.

Canada.

Where is that reason going to be?

Ottawa, I guess.

Well, they'll have it there.

What do we know?

That's Sunday.

I'll send it back to Russia.

You can't win on that.

You just want to get it over with, right?

If you give it after Russia, it'll be the last country we'll ever have.

That's why I said we need to get out of China, perhaps.

Mix it in between China and Russia, get lost, just to meet you.

And only in a day, I'm not going to spend a night.

But you agree?

Oh, we have to spend one night.

You probably have to spend one night, because you have to have a dinner.

I'll meet him the next day.

I would spend the next days, just go up, go up, and arrive there in time to have the meetings during the day, do the dinner at night.

the following day and you spend the whole day the next day.

No, no, just have a farewell meeting in the morning.

That's right.

Like we do here, you know, just a farewell meeting in the morning, 10 o'clock in the morning, 10 o'clock or something, then leave.

That's right.

Because of the attack on, that's what I mean, the attack.

By the way, they are persons, you know.

And Doug, you know, we don't have the Russians coming here.

That's it.

He's kind of become a non-threat now.

Right.

I think that we did well, and this was Will crunching around, letting him go over and just making sure here, before I arrived here, we had the state government.

Henry doesn't have to handle everything, Bob.

He really doesn't have to handle everything.

That's the whole point.

And it's assuredly a security when I realize this, and we won't borrow from him.

That's my handle.

Right here, of course, is a frantic search for issues by our Democratic friends.

That's what they're up to.

We're in it right now.

Of course, they're grasping at every straw.

Anything that comes their way, like every effort to escalate, if it takes hold once it arrives, if it doesn't, they'll try something else.

If it's Latin America's issue, we're in great shape, but I don't have it.

According to that last one, we went back to our two appointments, and that's where we ended up.

After that, we'd go where, and basically get caught in a screw-up there.

Then, what happens in terms of that?

Nothing else.

And our ability to handle it well.

One was a little foolish.

School meltdown.

on the right side of the issue, there's no way you could win.

I know it when I find her children pointed out to a lot of kids that don't need a mouth-butt.

The same way no one else gets a free mouth-butt, they get it, they shouldn't.

Nevertheless, press all rights, if needy children are given, have their mouth cut off.

You know, you don't move all that cut off.

Just anybody with a little part of it gets a mouth-butter, why shouldn't they?

Shouldn't they?

Would you agree?

Yeah, but then they argue that that's degrading to the poverty chart.

We have to improve these properties so we can get free milk.

Jesus Christ.

It's awful.

It's done, huh?

They should have done it.

They caved.

Kept the goddamn milk.

We'll get such programs in the future.

That's the main thing.

The other world.

Connor Arthur Bergerstein.

Is Connor, as you see, still here?

Sam, sorry, Sam, I'm sorry, Sam, your sister.

I wouldn't invite him to go.

I don't know whether the character was picked right now.

I don't know.

Or are you sick?

Good night.

Don't know.

Well, go ahead and get a judgment on that, Jim.

You're really just not like the best.

Thanks.

Yeah, no problem.

You can do that, Jim.

I don't want to bother you with your speech.

Just call it.

It's a small thing, but... Should we go again?

Just say that I...

I'm really here at the end of the hour.

Well, Arthur's got his one in.

He's really lobbying for it.

Connolly has said he's still going to hold up on it.

Who's Arthur?

Arthur's got one.

This guy's from Texas.

And Connolly thinks he's all right.

Now, Connolly isn't sold on it.

He's the same one Arthur was trying to lobby before.

And, you know, I told him that.

Connie has told problems.

Connie has told Arthur that he's a good man.

Arthur's taken that as being a Connie endorsement.

Connie has told us that he is.

He is.

He doesn't want to do it yet.

The reason he's worried about it is the reason.

He is a good man.

There's nothing wrong with that.

But he will be Arthur's man and we won't be able to control him.

And Arthur will.

And so Connolly said just hold up on it for a little while.

And Arthur has said we can't, the board can't act because we divide four to three.

If we get the vacancy, we'll be in a three to three split.

And Connolly says just sit tight.

All right, let's sit tight.

Good.

Here's one place where Arthur is, you know, his head is in Connolly's appointment, don't you agree?

The comic will never be put on that.

I lost her.

She's in good shape.

She's gonna get all but one vote on the committee.

She'll lose Harris, who's the only one.

And they're gonna, they're hard to, I think they're hard to, but all the rest are with her, and they,

There is no indication of any problem with the Senate.

It's a partisan message.

Our friends in the Los Angeles Times always used to say we're the culprits.

Sure were.

Of course, did he hurt anybody?

He shows a weakness there, so we got out of time because they have a new service.

He comes in here every time, sir.

Can you read one of them?

Sure.

Well, you're spending a lot of time in the service.

I don't care about it.

Want one of them?

Sure will.

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