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Unless he took advantage of it, he's made a monumental, monumental job.

How are we holding down here for that NATO thing with those French?

Farts and so forth and so on.

What did they do with him?

Well, he's a duck, but he's, of course, voted with us.

It's a very important thing, but he's a great publicity secret, hasn't he?

He just, he saw an opportunity, and I'm sure he was also annoyed by being held up at all.

I don't blame him.

Is there any reason why, with the big staff, and it is a very large staff, that a little, I see a lot of those young guys, and all these other folks, and one of them couldn't be there to watch that sort of thing.

Bob?

He said he wasn't coming, so they didn't put his name on the list, and then they apparently talked and ended up coming.

So he came at the last minute.

They had added his name, but they didn't say if it was written in on the other page.

I'm not, it was one of our good, the problem is it was one of the good guards.

We've got some guys here who are awful dumb and he don't handle us very well.

We've got some, you know, damn well, I don't like him at all.

I know he's just crazy.

He's always out after some goddamn silly man.

But I'm not going to go with it.

They called him out.

Oh, hell no, I'm not going to do it.

I'm going to listen.

That's from a great man.

We just started it.

That was a mistake.

We should have had somebody call him and invite him apparently.

That's the last thing we should do.

Someone should have called and said we're very sorry.

That sort of shaped him up a little bit at the same time.

Not giving him any help.

So the quarterback is going to lose his job.

He wanted to lose his job.

He's got to get a kid.

That's what I would have done.

You know, I just, you know, it was a technical reaction of the average person to ask about people that aren't grown up.

At least they won the book.

At least they won the book?

Yeah.

Thank God.

I mean, in spite of, you know, it's something that some of the British whalers would probably agree to all the same, I'm not going to be able to tell you.

I just want to note that all people who voted for me or us on this particular one

the Democrats, I want them to keep his goddamn cognitive figures off.

You know, we have really, they embarrass me very deeply in the 70s when they sent me out against Clark Fisher.

You probably don't recall that.

Clark Fisher's been my friend for 25 years, a real friend.

He's more conservative than most other Republicans, much more.

We've all run some hassle against him, he said.

I'm not going to get involved with that anymore, Bob.

I am not going to be involved with a picture, an endorsement, or anything against any Democrat that has supported something that's not in the House or out of the jail.

It's like a sentence.

Now there, that's a different matter.

We do understand.

A Democrat who supports us in the House of Vietnam.

George Mann on people like that.

Hunter Price, six.

We just got our minds.

Henderson in North Carolina.

Never, never, never.

I want to list it all.

It's 40 or 50.

Lex Aarons, let him pick the list.

Democrats, the President should not oppose.

Is that clear?

I don't think we should do it anyway.

I just don't think we should do it anyway.

Or, I don't know, maybe not.

What you're really on at is we're going to be basing that, sir, you think.

I agree.

Well, we've decided that.

The only thing we would do is with incumbents.

No, no TV.

And no TV.

I'm not going to have that TV spot thing where there's a picture or the office of law.

I'm going to come out and report incumbents.

And that's it.

I'm going to come in for a still picture.

There's no TV.

One of the new candidates.

No.

That's right.

I hope they told them all, there's no money, if you got that across the tent, we're not going to subsidize candidates for the Senate and so forth this year.

Yes, the combat exercise was such a horrible experience anyway, you know.

The greedy bachelors didn't do anything for us.

Senator, there will be no leaks.

There will be no leaks.

They're not going to turn to pieces before I get them up there.

You know what we're on here for.

You can't do without one of the ADA.

And nobody in the White House got them.

I'm not going to have to write any shop checks.

The people I have right now, I don't know how to dwell on myself.

I'm just going to do it on my own.

We basically were trying to find a son and so forth.

Are you going to catch all of your way at this point?

I can't report, Bob.

I know.

Every time I ever raise this question...

Well, we always say, always, in the White House, Matt, it's the state department or something else.

Stuff doesn't come here.

Well, sure, it does.

We have to be honest about it.

Oh, I've never said that it doesn't, because there's no doubt.

Stuff leaks out of here.

And there's no doubt that there's speculation out of here, even when there's no leaks.

In other words, a lot of the leaks out of here are about people who don't know and are sure.

Well, sure.

But you've got optics in the morning.

There are some areas where we can avoid leaks, too.

We don't have leaks out of any of these places.

We sure don't.

We don't.

I mean, he's operated on that, but we haven't had leaks on it.

I think the reason is the economic thing we got through without a leak only because we locked everybody up up on the hill and put the fear of God into them.

Yeah, I remember that phone call with these

And I'm scared to death.

I mean, it really, they were really dreadful, concerned about that.

Sure had the, had the necessary, but I think that it wouldn't happen if it had.

Well, this is, these two quarterbacks are going to do that too.

Their names have not been mentioned yet.

Wait, that's not what I saw.

That's good.

I just want to eventually go to Philadelphia today.

Maybe I'll get out because the guys talk to me and all kinds of other stuff.

Threw it.

Oh.

Alright.

Well, that's good.

You're out of luck.

Snack jury.

They're the only study that can make it.

Prove it or don't win.

Crank me.

Snack jury.

Well, they certainly haven't been no friends of ours.

This whole process that you got no need to kick us in the ass every little time.

I felt, frankly, very good about that boat yesterday.

I thought it was a good day.

It's getting closer.

It gets closer all the time, but it's still...

Are you still thinking of announcing your court names on TV?

I am.

It would have been months if they'd already... ...smeared.

I figured you don't plan to go to Florida at all this weekend, is that right?

He's not due back here until Monday night at 8 o'clock.

He's in California and he went out to the bankers meeting in San Francisco yesterday.

I don't know if we do anything about getting him scheduled for something other than that.

Well, they tried.

I'm not sure how successful because he had time.

He

was planning to go this afternoon down to the ranch and to stay there.

See, Monday's a holiday, so he was going to stay, come back Monday night.

I'm sure Tuesday, he'll be here Tuesday.

Yeah, he'll be here at 8 o'clock Monday night.

That's right.

Have time, though, in Tuesday.

As of now, we've kept Tuesday and Wednesday open against the possibility of a Wednesday press conference.

Okay.

I don't think there is.

I don't hear it whining around.

They whine, they whine.

I don't think there's... You know, that was a press conference and I went out and announced the Russian thing.

Absolutely.

We all can.

That was a press conference.

No question.

No, I don't.

I don't think any of these were press conferences.

We had a hell of a lot of issues with Trump, but I don't think we're all going to use it for our purposes, but not now.

Henry gets in at lunch at 4 to hear about 5 o'clock Monday.

And he would like to come right in, you know?

Sure.

When he gets here, which is a good idea.

Yeah.

All right.

So that would be Monday night.

Good.

And, uh, okay, then we'll set the, set the budget meeting for Tuesday.

Tuesday afternoon.

I'd like to have that in a period of, so, uh, say starting at 4 o'clock.

Irving said you wanted him to get with Conley on one thing before that meeting.

I did that this morning.

That's why I put it in the afternoon.

Right.

Okay.

Uh, Kishi is now coming.

He was resolved.

And, uh, they're suggesting it's tomorrow morning.

I don't think he gets here until tonight because they were saying he was starting tomorrow.

We've got the time tomorrow unless you want to hold it.

I think I'll have a case for dinner.

All right, tomorrow night.

Thursday night.

Instead of me, or that would be me.

Yeah, I think it doesn't really work.

And being an interpreter, well, he can do whatever he wants.

All he wants is himself with an interpreter, and they were going to have names in it.

I want to meet with him, have a meeting tomorrow morning and have a dinner.

A small dinner tomorrow evening.

Did you find out what he had?

This is a virus kind of thing.

He doesn't drink, he doesn't smoke, but he works awful hard.

He drives himself down.

He drives himself, well, we all did when we came in at first.

I think most of our people now have gotten themselves where they face a little better, recognizing

that there's always a crisis and that you can't go out all the time.

But that's what keeps me going.

You see, I remember Bryce used to run himself right off the brink.

And Bob Mayo used to do it, which I think he loved it.

And he did it dramatically.

You know, one of the great abilities that I have developed is a pace.

I know exactly where I'm going to go.

I go very hard for everyone.

I sure do.

But I sure as hell don't do more than I need to.

Well, then you maintain some reserve strength, which is unlike what he did.

And your job is just essential, because you don't know when something's going to hit.

But you have to be good at it.

You have to really crank up.

Well, you know the best thing we do, though, Bob, is the schedule operation.

We spend an awful lot of time on that, though.

Especially when I spend.

It's worth what I spend.

Because if I let them...

They all are very well catching people around here, you know.

You get it in the schedule and just fill it in the time.

I'd be running around like a chicken with my head cut off all the time.

And that mostly happened, you know what I mean?

They'd say, can't you see this one?

Can't you see this one?

The Aunt Susie's uncle's sick here.

Can't you see her?

And this and that.

If you do an upload, we can step on the Aunt Susie.

Well, we do business, don't you think?

Yeah.

I mean, like, for example, it was a small thing.

Getting a party here when we were walking around the White House is about as good as getting anybody else involved.

You've got a great picture on that.

It's worth it.

The party, you bought them, and I've got 300% here with you.

You know, it's amazing, really.

And that picture, it ran as a four column.

And I did a big four column picture on the front page of the sports page.

Which is just where you want it.

You see, the point that Lee learned in marriage when I was going through it, and this was the mistake that I had.

I went through the open door office hour, whatever the hell it was.

It was a mistake.

They were very good for those people.

It was good for most people.

It was good for you.

But in terms of getting out the story, it wasn't worth a damn, was it?

No.

Then we cut those to one photo opportunity out of them.

Then we started getting out the last of the minus out of that.

But you were still doing all the others, giving nothing for us.

And we don't do them.

That's right.

We don't.

We don't need to do them.

It's stupid what we do, but we still filter a few little things like that in.

We heard, like, the multiple cirrhosis guys yesterday that, uh, they got a, they got a perfect little story.

Yeah.

A good cause.

And we, we can't avoid, but the thing is, if we say no on all of that, we're still gonna get a few like this that, that you just, you get into a wicked where you can't undo it.

That's right.

And that's what that was.

It was one where it had just been put off for so long.

And we tried all the other dodges, you know, Mrs. Nixon and all the other things.

They wouldn't give anybody else the trade with you.

It didn't take long.

It's a good cause.

Do you want a key sheet?

Do you want to try it in your mind?

I'll do something for you.

No problem.

What have you got?

Oh, that's not working.

Well, Pat's got the Republican women's reception tomorrow afternoon, so you'll have a thousand women jumping through the house.

That's all right.

See, you should try to have a big dinner.

They won't be able to.

By the way, where are you hosting for a change?

Probably both.

But you could run away and wait until I'm taking you someplace.

They always come to eat places you've never seen before.

I was like, I'm gonna go.

You should always go to the F Street Club or something like that.

You're good.

Twice, from two to four, but it'll take them.

They can do a dinner, as long as you don't have to order people.

I go the week through, I have a small dinner.

I have a small dinner downstairs.

Have John Eisenhardt say, have a ambassador, have a carpeted, you know, the, uh...

Thank you, Robert.

Have Peterson.

Kennedy.

Kennedy is here.

Actually, uh, you know... Service types, uh...

Bill wants to come.

It would be nice.

I know it was about 12 or 16.

I'm sorry, sir.

It's in the State Department.

Well, that'd be Marshall Green.

I don't know.

I don't think so.

Because you want the Japanese ambassador.

He may have somebody with him.

Hey, if he has someone he wants to bring, do you want him?

Sure.

How about four Japanese on eight of our people?

Is that 80?

Yes, sir.

I would love it if you want to do it.

I don't know what your term is.

How is our term?

I don't know.

That's good.

All right.

He's very big on Japanese.

I don't know whether you want him or not.

We can do work on him.

Yeah, I have our term.

But Schultz loves comedy.

Okay.

I should have a little quality.

You're good.

He likes that.

He is.

I'm cranking the can.

I want the other one.

Solid.

Balls, not free.

Just pick up.

Solid.

Okay.

And that's not even beside the block.

And it would be business too.

I don't know, they have some sort of, we should not have music, but I mean, we should have, we should have, so he has a nice entrance, you know what I mean?

Shots.

It's part of the practice.

Well, there must be something in between.

I mean, is there anything in between?

Yes, I don't think, but I think we don't have anything like that.

We don't have to look too dead bare.

We could have a, you know, a small musical group playing in the hall so that you have some music before then.

You gotta have your cocktails in the blue room.

Have a musical group playing in the hall.

And have some people.

small honor guard, you know what I mean?

So it isn't totally there out there.

I want you to come in the front door.

There would be, from the head senator, there would be photographers too.

I want photographers to come in and take pictures.

Connelly will not be here, will he?

No.

I want to order him up.

Is he in Texas?

No.

There's, there's,

There's a problem in that right half of this.

Connolly was originally committed to testify, apparently.

I guess he has reduced to, or said he isn't going to do half of this now, so he isn't going to hold the hearings then.

So he's using Connolly's non-adherence as an excuse not to start action on the tax proposal.

And that, Connolly's got to be the strategist.

Connolly's around having an old talk.

You know, you may be right.

Tom may be one of those guys that goes like the way they split the words off.

He looks like he's just like a... Johnson used to do that.

Johnson was always sick.

You know who he was?

I used to have a son in my part of the area.

He'd lie in the bed, cough, and spit terrible, terrible shit.

Only because he'd been up to 4 o'clock in the morning.

Crazy bastard.

It's got to look like it's going to be very risky.

How about Sands?

You know, they just rub their noses at that.

That's why they don't like Sands.

Maybe it's not because he is a little bit like Peterson.

It's got to be there.

It's got to be nice.

You've got to have him.

You've just been there.

It looks like we're back on part three.

Well, this will be nice.

I don't think we need to have arm trigger.

That's good.

Let's do that.

He's red blind.

He's very anxious to see you for a few minutes.

I think we've probably got him.

Well, he wants to clean up the question of the postal situation, the Board of Governors, and all that, and he is going to leave pretty quick.

He's going to wrap it up and get that done.

I don't know if he's going to do it on Friday night.

All right.

Thank you, public.

Thank you, Senator.

And I just thought I'd go to the women the next morning.

It's just, well, I'm cold.

I think I'll just stay Friday night.

All right.

It's kind of good, that gives you something to be doing here, to live in this bank.

Well, I just thought, I just thought that we, I'm having a very good idea.

We'll get that for around 12, you know, 10, 12, 10.

I don't, I, and I can always add anything to that, you know.

Yeah, relax.

Yeah, I'm good.

Well, it would have been a good idea.

I thought we'd just go some time on the way to Portland.

Right.

Drop in.

Right.

And we'll get a hell of a, we're going to get the same trophy, whether we're there for the opening or not.

I sent him the flag.

I'm going down for the weekend, so I'll get the flag.

You'll get the flag, thank you.

So we'll get the flag.

Great idea.

Now, Freeland Tyson has asked to see you, and I don't know whether you need to see him or not, to read East Bend to Pakistan, India, and Greece.

He wants to read for him.

Hey, we have a very interesting project we would like to take endorsement of.

point that he's obviously wanted very valuable support ever for us and also we can all jackasses will see you and he has never asked for any with you apparently very good is asked to see you which one the prince uh

He is the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

He coordinates all the relief assistance to the Pakistani refugees.

And the argument for seeing him is that we have directed that all our stuff is on refugee heat through the UN.

And that this gives visibility of the U.S. response that you've directed and all on relief effort and all that kind of crap.

The only thing is, I don't want to get him trapped in there.

This is where he says, well, I need to see you.

Well, you can't control him.

He'll get you in a corner.

He won't be around, so you just tell him to check the office.

We can stall it for as long as you want.

If you want to see Roger's son, I've got a story out of it yesterday that's been of our interest and all that.

Roger and Henry have recommended you see him with Francis Kellogg, who's one of the refugees.

And we've got a lot of that kind of stuff.

uh if we want to do it we've got uh 10 vietnam veterans who have just come back from a summer in vietnam where they've been working as volunteers with no pay working with south vietnamese veterans and it's a question of whether we want

publicity on, uh, they're working in hostels, you know, whether we want publicity on what our veterans are really doing in Vietnam.

The argument is that the story needs to be told.

Reinforced.

Who's that?

Colson, Pegg, Klein, Scalini, and Ziegler.

Are they?

Who's the president?

Who's idea?

Colson, I think.

I think they're the president.

He gave me a fair amount of press coverage, apparently, and that was to try to make the Vietnam veteran look like a good guy instead of a bad guy, as he would look thereafter.

All right, great.

He began a purely symbolic... All right.

Tom Bale is back at us, wanting an appointment with you.

I turned him down, and I just...

He's...

He has good stuff for us, but he wants an interview.

That's right.

Oh, there's no, it's out.

No.

He's just not, who is this client?

Client two to the front.

He's just not going to put it to bed.

I'm just sorry, we just, we just can't have any interviews.

I know, I know, but he did it before.

Yeah.

He wrote a book out then, then not, you know, yeah, he's not right.

It didn't hurt, but it wasn't right because I had told him to.

Yeah.

They could do something other than interview.

He, uh, tell you what you could do, he would invite you to the TV thing.

There's no harm in that.

But no evidence, but when he sees you, just say there ain't nothing.

That's a perfect area to invite him.

He's a friend.

Gives him a lot of things, but he's a small man.

The Biennial Convention of the National Catholic Youth Organization Federation is going to be in Washington in November 4,000.

The director of Catholic Youth Activities, my senior mother, has invited you to address them while they're here, which you could do if you wanted to.

You could do a drop-by, unannounced type thing here at the Sheraton Park at one of their sessions.

And for, and I think we ought to do this, we can invite, they have eight officers of the association.

We can invite them to come in while they're hearing the convention to see the president.

I think the drawbacks of this drawback.

the purpose of this is not to see the youth, the purpose is maybe we didn't have a few youth that would be enthusiastic, they could be.

In other words, try it after they get here and see what the hell their attitude is, maybe their temperature, and maybe just pop by and say a few words.

I'll put someone else in as a question so I can see what happens.

They're asking now for an agreement in principle to a meeting with a courtesy called the Crown Prince of Ethiopia.

No.

In January or February.

No.

I'm sure with all that.

There's no argument that he will be the successor to the emperor.

I will ask him.

No.

Just say it.

Okay.

The time is

The way it comes down... Now, who's working on this?

Uh... We try not to go very broad on it.

people involved because we don't want to get the and we can go broader but i don't think we're going to get any i'm concerned let me say this i'm a little concerned about that question

He takes the firemen, he takes the partners, and he works his butt off and slowly goes out there and so forth.

But I think we have to realize he's not an expert in anything.

What I mean is you can't figure the job that's going to be his judgment.

It's going to be all that good.

You see what I mean?

And we just can't fool ourselves on that part.

Quakers are damn good.

Basically all purpose men working on things around.

Okay.

What they try to do is rank the candidates on political loyalty, credibility with the farm community, media reaction, demonstrated confidence in farm policy as one, and ability as a spokesman for the farm.

So, and they come down to five candidates that they think are still worthy of consideration.

And that's Bellman, Butts.

I will not pick Bellman, so just forget it.

I'll be teaming Bryce Harlow and Louie Nunn.

Butts.

And I'll pick Butts.

If you don't hear the argument on Bellman, because that's the one that keeps coming out on top of Mitchell's mind, I guess.

I want to go back to John.

His argument there is he's a farmer's farmer who can talk to him.

He's from a farm state and he understands the issues.

He's close to you.

He would have the best credibility there if he wanted to.

If he wanted to.

He's willing to give up the safe Senate seat.

Who's going to go for the Senate?

Well, we have two.

One will go against Edmondson and lose.

And the other will go against Wilkinson, got any chance in all this?

None.

Well, I don't want to go.

Wilkinson has a, Bartlett has the better chance.

And they feel, I'm sure they've done the same.

I don't think it's fully convinced.

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure it could be.

When they write them on the criteria, the way they come out is, Bellman is outstanding on loyalty, outstanding on farm reaction, outstanding on media reaction, outstanding on political ability, and good as a spokesman.

Butts would be good on loyalty, good on farm reaction, outstanding on media reaction, good on political ability, and outstanding as a spokesman.

Tiemann would be, no, I won't.

Fair to good at all.

Harlow would be outstanding on a couple of counts, fair on a couple.

Dunn?

No, fair on.

I think that was conventional.

Butts is pretty good.

Butts was mad by far.

He's yards ahead of the others.

He might work on the farm program.

Donald is not very smart.

Our people are not.

They don't know him.

Butts is a much better speaker.

Now, Butts is much cooler.

The one argument against him, he's a smart girl, though, is that he's an academician.

That you're taking one professor out and putting another one in.

He has better credibility, really, than our professors.

I've heard about him.

He's an academician.

And he's in.

He's not a college president.

He's a... Is that the mic?

Why don't we...

I'd rather take the mic off the box.

He's 62, which is certainly not too old.

I thought he was older than that.

I think I'd like to...

Instead of watching an experience, you've got to get it.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Do you think he's the best?

What's Harlow?

Yeah.

Harlow, Harlow takes Belvin as his first choice.

He takes Pompey as his second choice, Butt's third.

Hart kind of, Hart ranks Pompey at the bottom of the list, but he says, and he'd be working good, but you lose all the political advantage if you keep Pompey in, because then you're not making any change.

It seems to be given a certain amount just from the fact that they'll change.

Go.

It's basically a critical decision.

I think, basically, it's the best man's decision.

The best man's money is gone.

But what's going on?

Well, that's what they don't know.

It was politics that's going on.

So, check us all the directions.

appeals, the Democrats are going to take the Harris seat anyway, which is up.

If it's going to win, we can't do anything about it.

I will respond to that.

The Democrats have no other candidate that they can make viable.

So we don't lose that seat.

We've lost it anyway.

They keep it.

But we will not lose the, you know, the element seat because there's still the, the either Bartlett or Wilkinson

would win the presidency in a special election.

Incidentally, the solution available is very nice.

What I'm getting at is that you just say, well, Tom, you just don't do any interviews when we'd like to.

You'd better like to have your small dinner.

Come on, let me say how you're going to handle it.

How in the hell did Pat get involved in the election for the purpose of those cameras?

I don't know.

She's just cute, right?

I don't know, I was so shocked when I saw that.

Apparently she's giving lunch.

Missy's giving the lunch.

You see, Missy comes to, she's on some council, we put her on some arts council or something like that.

She comes to Washington once a month.

She's giving lunch.

And she's giving the lunch at the F Street Club.

Her parents would use her for such a goddamn thing as mine.

I was astonished.

I said, Pat, I'm a ridiculous loser.

My wife accepted it, too, and I was astonished.

Should I talk to Mitchell about the dominant thing again?

Yeah, I guess so.

He's there forever.

If you put butts in, you can make a change again.

I guess I have a sense that you've got him on your hands for a while.

I don't know.

I don't know the situation with regard to that.

Well, there's plenty of good reviews.

We were outside, and Whitaker is strong.

Well, Whitaker is the first guy to recognize that, and he has...

I know, I know that.

I know he's the first to recognize it, but we've got to recognize it.

Well, we had the guy we were going to bring in, and the thing was that they should wait until after we...

If there was going to be a change in secretary, that the other... That was the guy's name.

They have a guy there on the line.

No.

Another guy.

They're all agreed it's the ideal guy to bring in here.

They thought it was somebody like Tommy Murray.

He used to be just way young.

As secretary, I keep praising him.

And they just said you can't pull a guy out of a staff position in the Hill and make him a captain officer.

This is the ice station.

Henry doesn't know that much about it.

He knows about it.

He's a senator.

He's a senator who knows about it.

No, it's a good thing.

What?

What's a good thing?

No, no.

Yeah, that's a good thing.

Either covers something.

What I mean is, agriculture is a very technical subject.

That's why, what are you guys knowing about it?

I mean, it's a hell of a technical subject.

I guess money is the best way to be honest.

And I know, because that's right.

You see, if you get a friend that knows about it, and also that speaks, that's very emotional.

Bryce does, for example.

Bryce knows about it.

Bryce speaks.

No.

Best for the hill, that's all.

You know as hard as all others look together about this subject.

Disadvantages are that he's not that prominent in farms and farmers wouldn't identify with him.

His style won't be effective in the farm states.

Major drawback is active admission.

As all criteria, but to a lesser degree than a loyal supporter, 31 years in agriculture education and assistant secretary.

takes some credibility from farming, and he farmed for organizations and media to be very favorable to his employment, but had adequate political sophistication with his most important asset, his disability as a spokesman.

Harlow and Martin feel he's the most forceful speaker amongst the candidates, Harlow characterizing him as having real electricity but common.

He does have, Bellman is not an exciting type of guy.

Harlow, please.

He's maybe a better speaker than I am.

Well, Bryce apparently thinks he is.

This is really funny.

So a guy comes in and they make this mark.

Big speaker.

Barks around the stand.

Right?

Did they forget it?

Yeah.

Okay.

Do I count them?

You know, everybody said that, that, uh, Tom Collette, who was following me on the phone the other day, was a man.

Well, they said when I invited him, he was out in the street and saying he's not qualified, and so forth and so forth.

They turned totally around, and they said goodbye to all of us.

Come in, presence.

All the other things.

And he has.

He's, uh, there's nobody, you know, the thing that the fellow was mentioning was a surprising dog.

It's a thing that's got to get around.

Bill Rogers is the only one that says it.

He says, you know, the thing is that they like about the comic, he's always saying good things about the president.

He says every speech is directed toward building the president up.

Who the hell Jared is?

Somebody told me that is.

So Jack Delaney, as I told you, I saw him the other day, he was saying, he said, well, you're, man, Connelly, he's sure done a great job for you.

And I said, yeah, he's an outstanding guy.

He said, I've never seen him before.

He said, this is a good job of praising his president.

Yeah.

Oh.

Right.

All right.

Well, I find, you know, as a matter of fact, uh, uh, I never said...

If I, let me ask you, I want to get your appraisal on this agriculture thing.

I mean, I know the views you have put in, but to me it really comes down, you know, of the people that we've mentioned.

I think it comes down to it.

You can't hit a lobby game for somebody like that.

I mean, it's just going to race all the time.

And to me, it comes down to people, other than colleagues or boarders, that I can see is between all of us and Rebellion.

Now, I know you've been a strong Rebellion.

The thing about Rebellion,

Oh, is the medicine simple?

I see.

Yet, uh, yet he's a very strong speaker, they say, and all that sort of thing.

Yes, yeah.

Yeah.

I wonder if the Benson thing may be too far back in memory.

The problem that you have with Henry is that, uh, well, apart from his son and all the other things, is, uh, I have a real question as to whether he, frankly, could understand the intricacies of the goddamn thing.

You know, this, this is the most intricate thing we have nobody here to read, actually.

No, it does.

Yeah.

Oh, I know he's a farmer.

There's a lot of farmers that don't know the difference between cow shit and pig shit.

Do you know that?

Do you think he does?

Yeah.

Where that's necessary, yeah.

Oh.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's for sure.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

My palm will stay on.

Dredge!

Go!

Yes, it is.

The trouble with the bus is that it prevents the plane.

I see your point there.

Yeah.

But you don't like that, do you?

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, that's a very awful price.

Sure, sure, you know.

And we wanted to get those hog prices up.

And as well, they're very, yeah.

Corn and hog.

Corn and hog ratio.

Yeah.

Oh, okay, right.

Good to see you guys today.

And we all have, well...

We're going to, I'll tell you this on the hockey street.

He's back at the event.

sabotaging our, as I said, it's really ironical that the same people that got us into Vietnam have sabotaged every effort of my effort to get us out.

And by God, when the whole record is printed, as you can read between the lines, we've been doing all the law that we have not publicized.

We've had a hell of a lot of meetings they know nothing about in all sections of the world.

And these sons of bitches are going to have to pay.

They're going to make them pay.

It really is.

They're irresponsible.

Here we are.

We got the casualties down to five this week.

What the hell do they want?

They want to lose.

They want the country to lose.

Yeah.

That's right.

They're having problems.

All right.

The economy will have to see.

If it doesn't go up, you know the economy is out of our hands.

That's just one of those things.

It's either going to go up or it isn't.

I think it will.

We shall see.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, let's take a look at my price.

All right.

Bye.

I raised that.

Nobody else seemed to be concerned.

He had a problem bringing Benson back to life.

He didn't bother.

He calls the other calls around, and we're not here in Benson.

I mean, none of the people that you've been talking to.

Or not as sensitive about it.

The fence station was not a thing.

Well, I know.

Not a thing.

And what's is true is that I am very close to the fence.

We considered the Secretary of Agriculture at the beginning of the network and I was very against it.

I believed that 11-year-old Connor would be alright.

He was such a... That's just how Mitchell and Mel have been doing.

The two of them.

You can see that.

I don't want to go over Mitchell's

Out of objection.

You want to take it up with him?

Yeah.

Rogers called me about the, uh, uh, manager's office had raised with him of putting, uh, shoot, putting on, uh, the guy on the bed, you know,

And he said that we have to understand that there will not be a replacement for Bush until UConn changes because it's Deputy Secretary General and a new Secretary General selected.

And that we should not say anything about that.

He doesn't mind if you don't.

But he said, we don't make the appointment.

Secretary General Harris, it'll probably go to an American, but we would sink his chances if we got into it now.

All right, fine.

We're good.

and that when we get the new secretary general, we'll talk to him and he feels sure we can get the man in line.

All right.

Good job.

Just very briefly, I wanted to get some guidance on the court.

The attorney general is en route to Philadelphia, so I've had a chance to talk to him.

Two basic questions I'll get this morning.

Will the appointment still be made this week?

Now, yesterday I said there's no change in what you previously said.

I can shift that a little or begin to move that today if you

So did I. I've also took the line yesterday that you have not made selections.

I'm not getting into any discussion or speculation on names, but I'm saying that... Well, we...

I think the way to answer both questions is that... ...

that they will be meeting sometime this week.

Today.

Today at the house.

Yes, sir.

Yeah.

I like that he is being followed.

Let's not put it quite like that now.

Thank you, sir.

Well, like I said, we say that we have not made, that while their recommendations that we receive today will not be final,

I don't want you to say we're going to let them.

I just want to say that tomorrow is a meeting later than we had thought.

I'm just curious what you thought they were going to make for the weekend.

We have also said, I have said, and the Attorney General has said, that there are other names under consideration than those before the bars.

So that, actually, there's not a great deal of pressure.

That's why I raised this about this week, if you want me to loosen it up a little.

I think it may be this week.

We'll surprise them.

But I simply say, well, there are other, there are also some other names.

Let me, you know, at the very least, I think I must...

You remember what I told him when I had my president?

Yes, sir.

And I said, I was like, you should not speculate.

You recall what I said?

I was like, I remind you what the president said.

Don't speculate about this situation.

There are many stories that he gave.

There are only six that are conservative or relevant.

I believe in those things.

Those things are very much in order.

Because I've never confirmed them.

And I... Well, they don't...

I...

There are others...

There are other under consideration in those that the bar...

I mean, I'll consider that.

I'll consider that.

You see, the point is, we're going to, we're just going to find out that there have been a number of names.

Sure.

We've considered them all.

This is going to be, we're going to send them up.

They act as if we've already found them.

And they try to tear up the pieces.

Sure.

All right.

Something like that.

In other words, all right.

We might do it this week, but don't.

But we might not.

I don't know how far, what will happen tomorrow.

What happened to some other people?

Just say that the... Now, on the veto thing, I've answered that, the ABA veto thing.

I've said that I've never talked about that one way or another with the President.

Now, do you want me to take it to the step today that we would consult with the ABA and take their recommendations under consideration?

Because I am getting the question, will the ABA, is the ABA in a position to veto a name?

Just continue if you are not.

I'd rather have you keep it loose.

Right.

That's not a matter before us.

Is it possible that

Just one final question.

Is it possible that a name would be submitted without consultation with the AG?

It is.

Don't tell them that.

It's very possible.

We didn't submit a burden.

Right.

Following that, however, the AG, the Attorney General indicated he would consult.

Well, no.

I just wouldn't.

It's impossible to submit.

I just say, well, I don't want to get into that.

I just want to be in that.

I put that burden.

Okay.

That's what I mean.

I'll just stay loose for the whole time.

We're never going to submit a name to them again for your information.

And so that's that.

It's like sending it to the automation newspaper.

That's right.

And so that's true.

And as a matter of fact, for your guys.

I want you to keep them, though, on the trail.

Very long on the trail.

It's going to be a little bit...

Well, they're convinced it's a little bit private.

It may be one or both.

They're both very actively under consideration.

But also, there are two others under very active consideration.

And I haven't decided yet.

I'll just say, you have not decided?

I have not made a decision.

These people screwed up on the China trip.

They screwed up on the economic policy.

They screwed up on the Soviet trip.

They're going to screw up on this.

They just try to be too goddamn smart, that's all.

And they're not going to find out.

I sort of like the way that you're giving many hints.

Right, and I haven't even hinted at the fact that at all.

We're just stuck with what they're saying.

I'd rather play it that way.

Actually, if you know the name of the person who was at the ABA, you have a perfect reason for that.

Well, you didn't submit it to the ABA because it automatically was unfair to the people.

Well, one thing I want you to put down is a good phrase that I, I can't really read because I'm just thinking about it.

I feel like, you know, my experience in the sense that I've heard it before, like, and listened to it.

I'm not, you know, quite going to support what you're saying.

I think it's been a hillary of the press, a hillary of the press, you know.

destroy it.

I want that put to him.

I want to remind you, President, President takes care to have a name submitted, and then simply for inspiration, and then have it, glory to the Christ, without having his side of it adequately presented first.

I'm going to present the names as far as I'm concerned.

You're right.

But I don't want to reflect that today.

Well, they are...

No.

The interest is focused on Supreme Court and then, of course, on the Phase II board, which I understand we're shooting for Friday on that now.

Thank you so much.

For William Rapp today was named a Nobel Peace Prize winner.

What?

I almost fainted when I heard that.

It's the most incredible thing I've ever in my life seen.

It is good.

It's good.

He better not be in detention any time.

That would really create a stir.

You know, I had real problems.

We had problems there.

Henry and Bill Rogers.

Bill Rogers had been released.

Henry, of course, had been released.

Of course, he was an asshole.

He already spent it all in the Nobel Peace Prize.

Uh, this is Eric, uh...

But the, uh...

I was gonna say, one of the trees, off in the wild, there's a quirk.

Mary McCurry, how she must be dying, so Henry's trip became a rescue operation.

Man, that was a weird battle last night.

No, she stayed alive.

So you have to consider the sort, huh?

You have to consider that source.

She slipped off about three years ago.

She went to that poor woman, you know, she said, it's her best cooperation with us.

Christ takes it.

He's violent against us, but he doesn't write to us.

One thing, Bob, that I don't want to be sure we have very clear, I don't want this to go to clients.

I don't want to get into our time with people I'm listening to.

It is worth it, Bob.

It really isn't.

I mean, when you read, I mean, it is from now until the election, you've got to realize you're going to be totally against it.

I realize the leader, Christ, is against it.

But he is against it, and he will only write some of the figures.

I just wouldn't bother with people like that.

I just wouldn't do it.

Let me put it this way, there are so many others that need to be, that need a little attention.

And so listen to our crowd today, there's really, really, he's indicating something against it.

I don't, don't do it anymore.

I don't want Pius that way.

I don't want Quine that way.

I don't want Scali that way.

You've got to play this goddamn coldly.

You don't see everybody, do you?

No, I don't.

I just keep on waiting over and over.

It's like...

It's simple.

It's like hanging with Joe Kraft.

I mean, if you see Jay Kraft, he has one good story on the floor.

Is that hole you're going to open up a little?

Not yet.

Not yet?

Not yet.

Do I think we should sense it?

No, it's fine, fine, fine.

No, I... We're hurting.

I think we're about ready to do it.

All right, don't do it.

Don't go, I have a deep mouth here, but I am sure that you told me that Rob was opening up on you.

I am.

At the right time.

I am.

Yes, sir.

I definitely am.

I put it this way.

That opening up in the head is far more important.

Listen to her dialogue.

Well, yes, I do.

His influence is outside of what he writes.

He, Lissagor, is a strange duck.

He will get out there, he will talk out here in a different way around his colleagues and influence his colleagues differently than

for example, another Johnson thing, which doesn't get much blood anyway.

It's a strange thing with Wissador.

And I don't know... Yeah, I met with Teddy White yesterday, who's in here.

And he... Well, he doesn't want to go to town in the worst way.

He's very, very frankly about it.

I think in some degree he does that.

How is he homeless?

Well, you really can't pick out a specific.

I only talk to people.

I consider him to be sort of a grand and successful.

Well, I think just in terms of attitude, and in terms of his attitude as he moves amongst the press.

I'll tell you another guy like that, and it's a hard thing to say sometimes, but Osborne has a...

mesmerizing effects off of those guys.

It's amazing.

It is amazing.

He was so impressed by that Japanese thing.

Everybody now is running around saying, wasn't that impressive?

You're right.

We've done it a hundred times.

It was impressive the first time.

Well...

So I just...

I understand.

Let me put it this way.

I'm not thinking so much in that term.

Should they affect the television guys?

Absolutely.

Well, if they do, then it's important.

See, but Peter, listen to me.

What they write is not important.

What they write affects the television guys more than anyone.

Because the television guys are better than anyone.

That's right.

Absolutely.

Well, you see my point.

Yes, sir.

I know the client's problem.

There's a client, and he's changing something.

The client always...

Peter Lissagor has not gotten an exclusive out of the White House.

Lissagor has never gotten an exclusive from me.

What I try and do with Lissagor is keep him neutralized just by how I deal with him and how I play into his ego a lot.

He has a big, you know, laughing at his dirty jokes occasionally.

That type of thing.

Never forget the time he did it at four or something.

Oh, he knew exactly what he was doing.

But the problem there is there's no appeal on this.

I'm not believing even the White House will respond.

It's far greater next year.

You will not get an answer.

Neither will I.

Would you get those dates over here?

If you agree on March 15th, the correspondence is set, but it's probably going to be, what is it, April 14th or something like that.

We have the problem with that.

Well, now I'm full of those.

I've got the best of ideas, and I'm going to be done with the irrigated deliverance.

I'm going to send it out there.

Or I'm going to send it out to the vice president.

The vice president is going to find everything that we have.

And everybody that was with me, I don't need a command.

It's the greater part.

And I've got to fight it pretty hard.

We're going to send two of those men to France.

Tell them to change their dinner.

Oh, I'm going to just wait.

I'm going to have them change their dinner.

If you do that, could I serve in the White House?

I could be a waiter.

They did something wrong.

Very wrong.

We're going to do the photographers next year.

Just to drop by, though.

Yeah.

You're right.

15 minutes.

I don't think I have time.

Don't go.

That's not wrong.

No, just drop in 15 minutes.

Don't even put on a tux.

Just drop by and drop.

Present the award or something or say hello to them.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Actually, all of the entertainment is so atrocious.

Well, you want to leave because the entertainment is so atrocious.

That's too nice.

You have to do that stuff.

That's the wrong thing to do.

Johnson was smart on that.

He didn't do it.

We up one.

By doing it, you've done that kind of thing.

Oh, absolutely.

Yeah.

Marty Schramm can't get near me, even in the briefing room.

That's right, absolutely.

That's the one publication that I would be very delighted with, and I think we should do this.

Oh, no, I mean to ask, and that includes Los Angeles Times.

I buy that down.

You understand?

I will not have a Los Angeles Times because they put this in.

They will not have this.

Elsewhere, Los Angeles Times ain't going to go.

That may not mean.

to our advantage because of their new service.

See, the new sale won't hurt as much as it turns out.

If it turns out, we will recommend it.

See, time is a different thing.

I'll have to look at it a lot of times.

But my point is, if we manage to find it turns out, I don't think any of those specials will be invited.

Because the numbers out there on the forehead

So with that, it should be the wire service.

I mean, they sell them the TV, wire service, the wires, and that's it.

Don't you start with the annual magazines and all the rest.

The TV comes first.

The wires come second.

And after that, this is the others.

You can't move.

You're not going to make a thousand that.

We just got to see one thing come up with us, a final figure, and then sit down and work out.

But that's it.

Coverage that we can get out of what's there.

This is what we're going to be talking about.

What we're going to do with our anchors.

We went exactly the other way around.

The idea that, well, we put the New York Times coverage and all the rest of it way down the line on TV and radio.

Just the way we're totally turned upside down.

We're going to do what's on our anchors this time.

It's on our anchors to take any writing for us.

Except the AP and UP.

That's what I said.

Thank you.

One thing I didn't raise when we were talking about that John Rose and all the California employment and all the points that he covered that I didn't raise that may be worth at least thinking about.

And that is he's saying he would strongly suggest that we tell that he could go easy on the federal employment reduction exercise.

You know, we've made the grandstand play out of the question whether we really want to deliver.

He makes the point that the required personnel cut, DOD, to set off a vast planning exercise is going to take most of October.

It's diverted resources and people from the California effort.

He questions whether that's worth it.

And can we at some point soon say we have got 5% of some federal fund number and then forget it?

Then after the election, we go through the real reduction with the Civil Service Quality Control Program and all that.

You see now, and that's a good point, that the first known cuts of this are merely eliminated the youngest and most competent people in a department.

That's, we're getting some of that.

And that's a question of whether we really want to make the, if we do want to make it, then we've got to do it.

But whether we really do want to make the, make the cuts, I'm sure.

Alright, I think we've made the grandstand, and I'll soften it up.

How about something that's selective then?

Something that's selective.

Now let me tell you this though, and I know you just, like everybody else, you can't believe this, but can they do what I want to do with regard to public broadcasting?

Can they do what they want to do with regard to that goddamn Peace Corps thing?

You cut it back 15 to 20 percent, that one.

Now I'm not concerned, see Johnny Rose is a liberal, and he would be concerned about some of the young people, and that all would not be done.

No, he's going the other way.

That's not what he's after.

And cutting that, that, that, that of course compensates for these cuts by cutting ATW, by cutting H-U-V, by cutting transportation, by cutting the Peace Corps.

Action is called.

You understand?

Let us go on the fence, let us go on the fence, let us rise, rise.

Goddamn, I guess, I mean, Schultz hasn't been at this point at all.

Yeah, but I feel very strongly that those, that kind of agency that I don't like, ought to be cut.

Already by the, yeah, I sure do.

They're all our enemies.

Cut our enemies out.

Yeah, I mean, we're out of our minds to just tell everybody, good, bad, or otherwise, to cut 5%.

What we should be doing is cutting 50%.

I mean, in fact, in a lot of places, you've said that.

I've said that.

It's hard to keep people alive like that.

It is hard.

All the people that sit here in Washington, D.C. meet all the nice people.

They bring their kids.

Dude, was this just before Christmas?

That'll be fun.

No, that's all the time before Christmas.

No, really, that's what's gonna come up.

Sure.

That's what we can't do with this.

Oh, Christ.

Sure, you can't run with it.

It just gets bigger and bigger and bigger.

Goddamn, man.

We've got it.

Okay, we've got it.

Cut, snake.

And of course, there was a recession.

There wasn't.

There never was.

That's the whole problem with the country, everybody.

It was not bound.

I don't know if that's a quote, but you see what my story is.

It's one of those things.

Imagine what it would be without it.

Everybody would be batting it out as hatchets without the shells flying around.

Okay.

Archer is someone of the same, except that when the chips are down, his judgmental rights are legal.

Archer is one of the people who consider that he's smarter than anybody else regardless.

Kissinger has some awe of the presidency.

Archer has none.

That's exactly right.

Archer has absolutely no awe of the presidency.

He has great ego for what the presidency can give him.

There are other people like Coffey from all these companies.

There really are.

Well, there are people.

I think if your family could have taken it, then you're called on.

Look, you'd be a good cabin officer.

You'd be out there charging.

I mean, rather than saying it, for example, it would be perfectly candid, wouldn't it?

stands, is loyal, says the right thing, does the right thing, but it doesn't have much spark.

But, you know, we need a guy out in the black company that can speak and go in front of which that's what it is all about.

I have a vision, too.

I need to limit myself.

You know, there are two examples of people that are good at their public relations.

So when you come right now to a God that will not, you know, it won't be strong.

But I...

I'm sure you're right that there are people, but I'm not sure where they are.

Where they are, what they're doing in Christ, you look through the governors.

Look through the Senate.

Well, that's the reason why you ought to have somebody over the planet looking for people.

See, he's got it naturally.

He's easier to people.

I think the malloc generation... Well, I started with the malloc doing it, and he works on a totally different basis.

He does it all over the country.

And he does it, and not on the basis of who he or somebody else knows.

He does it on the basis of the track record and what other people we don't know.

The malloc has been a gold mine for a long time.

The money I get from the malloc is really good.

It's pretty likely a repetition of what everybody else has done.

When they came up, always with the same guy, they had old names.

I really, it's a really good trip.

Well, who knows?

I said, well, here's Gordon Gray.

So Gordon Gray, he's up to two years old.

I said, well, I know old Gordon.

Fine.

Yeah.

It's really true.

It isn't all that bad, but really it is.

The things we get, and it's not just black people.

I do the same thing.

Anybody asks me, who do I know?

I always say, who the hell do I know?

Your personnel man should be somebody that isn't doing it that way.

You should be calling this country.

You should go in Chicago and say, who's the best man in Chicago?

That's exactly the goal.

They're in Los Angeles, St. Louis.

Decode.

Go into the various rooms.

The business council.

Remember the, uh, the little electric news?

Try to go to the business council and say, well, who is the heavyweight that's goddamn hot there?

You think Peter's the guy on the textual thing on the other side of the business?

Yeah.

Then over here.

I see the media in Sweden, you know, super heavy-handed.

Back in the school, we haven't gotten to.

I think he's irritated.

But heavy hands, you were light-handed for two years and never gotten to where at some point a heavy hand was required.

I put it on there, wasn't it?

Rockets, it's got the state on it.

When the state came up, they leaped to you.

You saw that.

That's wrong.

A lot of villages, if he doesn't do something, it's awfully hard for him to...

Resided in something back in town.

He also did, you know, he, you know, was, he first said Stan wasn't good, and Kennedy wasn't good, and Peterson didn't, of course, he didn't have enough.

He didn't try, and he tried, he didn't try, but he came down to it.

That, by the way, was done.

And what I kind of want to do is praise him.

I'm not in the State Department.

I don't work in any of these things.

So he goes, and I say, all right, Mr. Kripp,

He's going to be pressing that.

I think what we ought to try to find is a way for Rogers to frankly go to Russia, you know what we call it.

But not for the purpose of doing the same thing.

Get my point?

Let's go.

You see, it's better for going to China

Absolutely.

Because everybody goes to Russia anyway.

Well, Bill misses the whole point in saying that he ought to go ahead and advance mission to China, to Russia, because what he's doing then is lowering himself to Kissinger's level.

A cabinet officer shouldn't be out doing staff work for the president, for Christ's sake.

It's bad enough that Kissinger be doing Kissinger.

They'd be doing Kissinger wrong.

It should be Hayden and Chickman ought to be out there working that out.

Or Holdridge and Chickman.

Well, Harry did.

He's got that needle in that voice, but he said it all the next time he came around.

But it all had a rhyme to those stans.

We don't know stans.

I mean, in that sense, stans would be big enough.

See, I don't give a damn about having a Russian thing.

I've been asking people, and he said, well, what's the difference?

That's wrong.

I mean, your character should be the thing.

It doesn't make any difference.

Now that it's announced, it doesn't matter.

It's been announced, but I don't know what the difference is.

Well, what if it was on China?

Oh, yeah.

Would you say Russia can't enter?

Well, it's just like, I think the hardest for the Chinese is not letting any political or congressional people in, and I'll stay with that.

I think it would...

really take some lead into it.

If they do it, then they do.

But if we can avoid it, we're well off.

On the other hand, in Russia, I don't know.

The fact that the governors are all over there now, or were over there, just makes a bit of difference.

And if Manseil and Scott and the whole of the United States of Iraq goes over, it would make a bit of difference.

Speaking today about the possibility of rockets.

Catch that.

But we really have to anticipate a problem before it depends.

Roger is going to be very tough on us.

For the wrong reason.

Roger is not very comfortable with this.

What he wants is not the religion.

He really wants to go ahead and sort of the impression he's around.

He arranged the Russians.

He didn't arrange the Russians.

It's a childish way to go at it.

He's just, for his own objective, he's doing it the wrong way, because he puts himself down in the Kissing Gear class, and it's a different, he doesn't really do that.

He's totally, he doesn't listen, just because he's addicted to everything.

But he can still do it, because I told you the story, probably.

I'm not a bit surprised.

What irritated me most was that shark story on the star.

That's a kind of, it's rough.

You're out of the war.

We haven't had too much of that.

That was pretty rough.

It was pretty rough.

As far as Bill was concerned, he didn't mention it.

But that's the point.

Correct?

Yeah.

Because it was a rough story.

It's all a bad story.

Very bad.

It's a very rough story.

But I had nothing to do with it.

You should pick it up and take it.

A little bit, but it's all the way.

If we get much of that, that one story like that doesn't do any harm unless it builds up as a line of thought, which it hasn't yet, but there's a potential for it.

Because it's another way to frustrate people who don't like to see you getting anything.

That's one way around it is to say that Henry's brilliance is manipulating all these things.

You just sit here kind of not knowing what's happening.

The point is, major point one, it's not true.

And Henry doesn't have all those things.

There's no question that Henry's made a major contribution in all this, but he knows, and he's the first one to admit when he's being honest about it that it doesn't have an audience, that, you know, that it's you hanging in on it that's made it, put it, put it together.

Not that it's Russian, but it was mine.

I was, you know, I never thought of that kind of thing.

From the beginning, and you start to wonder what the hell.

I guess you know what, you kind of lost your mind.

It's right where we're at.

The roommate, that was my idea.

You know, I mean, not his, that's right.

I suggested the roommate.

You know what I mean?

He said very obviously that he approved it.

You know?

And, uh,

One of the initiatives on the bold strokes that have been here is the bombing shut in Vietnam and all that kind of stuff.

You said do it, and then he's figured out a plan and a way to do it.

Got it done, which is what he should do.

He, though, must not be allowed to.

He's had to knock down this kind of story.

Yeah, really had to do it.

He was very hard on us to do it.

One more thing, sir, before I go out.

Al Haver's calling about the Willie Braun thing.

And I'll be asked, no doubt about it, for a reaction.

No.

Al felt that we should simply say that... Al thought I should just use one line.

The president's pleased by the selection.

He sent a note congratulating him.

The president's pleased by the selection.

Well, I can't really go.

Or congratulate someone?

Yeah, well, just that, yeah, I think that the president has said that he has a chance for a warm message congratulating.

I would say absolutely.

Right.

The president has noted that he has a chance for a warm message of congratulations.

Interesting enough.

Better than please.

I would say that he has a chance for a warm message.

No, he's got a big problem at home.

No.

We haven't read any messages in a few times.

We'll pick up the message.

Okay.

John Price leaving to run for office.

I have an idea.

He can pop the rose, and just perfect, perfect.

can be used quite often, Bob.

And then Rose, she'll know all the answers herself and she can come in and I'll give them answers.

What I don't want to do is to get any reporter in this room and then have to sit there so that they psychoanalyze me and all that bullshit.

Get that right?

But from now on, have all things like that go to Rose.

All things.

Is that clear?

We're going to write something about me.

Go to the secretary.

You can talk to her.

She can give you most of the information.

If you've got any questions, you can... No, I'm not going to take any answers.

I'm not going to do that.

If you've got any questions, factual questions, why would we be glad to... She'd be glad to tell you that.

I'm not going to give an essay on what's my opinion about this letter.

She's not a cat.

We're going to handle it.

I may have a proposal come up this weekend.

I've already talked about it.

What do you think?

Is this business about the money?

Yeah.

That's better to say.

That's good.

Well, I have work to do if you want to.

Well, I know.

I'll come here.

But I can work with Gurley.

I've been on his family early.

I can work with his tax office.

I read a hell of a lot of the measures that are piled up.

I've got to work on a lot of things.

I'll be back.

We talked a couple of things.

How do we handle the writers' things?

If you talk to Al about Bill wanting to go, again, raise the problem.

We have questions.

We have to talk about it.

I've got a whole list of things I want to spend some time with Al on today.

Thank you.

Well, you talk to him, and then you and Al and I work out a strategy on it.

I think we have a clever way to do this.

I think Rogers ought to go to Russia.

I agree with you.

But I think he ought to go maybe with Stans.

Not for the purpose of advancing the trip, and he could just go over, he and Stans could go over for the purpose of talking about a trade or something like that.

And Henry will go up the goddamn wall.

But Henry's got to be ready now.

He said, we've got to be a rider or something.

A rider's got to pressure us the other way around.

The other thing is that, shall we get down there and talk about the Russian advance now, usually?

This is a good time.

Yeah, sure.

Are you ready to fire with me?

All right.

Hello.

On the other hand, as a matter of fact,

I think we hear it enough that part of it is subtle, but the other, the fact that I do retain a certain first equilibrium and also the, and avoid the weight problem and the rest makes one hell of a difference to people.

It sure does.

The fact that you do look very important.

And I think I do, as a matter of fact.

I can't tell you, but most people are quite surprised.

He don't, you know, they expect people to love him.

You know, Johnson aged dark, so did Kennedy.

But he aged, oh, maybe because of that court of some business and all that, he puffed up.

But he looked, he looked very bad.

Eisenhower had a change.

He was old.

Eisenhower had a change.

That looked exactly the same when he left as when he had it.

Part of it was his equilibrium.

He paid it off.

Didn't let it bother him.

But I don't think I've changed when I go along.

Johnson changed enormously.

Of course, FDR was like the portrait of Dorian Gray.

He went down low at a rapid rate in our lives.

And, well, really after the first four or five years, he started deteriorating.

Look at the pictures of him, progressively.

I was going to talk to you a little about the, how do we have them, the Russians, the Rogers.

This is Roy.

We've got to work on it.

On the other hand, as a matter of fact,

I think we hear it enough that part of it is subtle, but the other, the fact that I do retain a certain pretty equilibrium, and also the

Boy, the weight problem and the rest makes one hell of a difference to people.

It sure does.

The fact that you do look very important.

And I think I do.

I can't judge, but most people are quite surprised.

You know, they expect people to look... You know, Johnson aged an artist.

I mean, I'm also looking at Kennedy.

He aged awful.

Maybe because of that courtesan business and all that.

He looked very bad.

I started to change.

He was older.

I started to change.

That looked exactly the same when he left.

Part of it was his equilibrium.

It didn't bother him.

But I don't think I've changed.

Well, Johnson changed enormously.

Of course, FDR was like the portrait of Dorian Gray.

He went down in a rapid rate.

Well, really, after the first four or five years, he started.

deteriorate.

Look at the pictures of the rest of the world.

I was planning to talk to you a little about the, we have the Russian and Rogers relationship, which I think we've got to work on.

There was a story that somebody saw, that I think is, that you haven't seen, by George Sherman.

George Sherman's story, that George Sherman's story about that Dr. Kissinger was the man

Oh, yeah.

Yes, sir.

That's right.

But even more disturbing to me is this dynamite with Rogers.

Absolutely dynamite.

Because every time that Peter is angry, is manipulative, and the president in Rogers' name is being mentioned at all, that Rogers can then put himself in a position to say, this is hurting the president.

And he's right.

Well, he is right.

No, I called Henry.

That's right, President, because it looks like you're operating for purely cynical reasons.

I don't know what you're doing.

All this taught me what to do.

I made my mind about the commons and all the rest, and I finally agreed with this praise of Paul from Harvard.

It was a vicious story.

It really was.

I called Henry Brown and told him that it was a disaster.

And he talked to him?

Yeah.

He knew about the story?

He knew about it when I told him.

I sent him a summary of it because I reacted the same way.

I thought it was a tragedy.

Well, Henry has to be extremely careful in all of his public appearances.

I know he's got to be dead clear of what's true.

He knows very well how to overshadow the issue.

That's right.

Well, I must say, I've heard him spam on our own campus occasions, and he's usually very good at it.

He's got to do it just about the way Conway does.

He's got to do it that way.

Conway makes up the answer.

He comes out ahead.

Look what it's done for Conway.

That's the thing.

The thing is that Kevin Grass would be smart enough to realize.

By playing himself down, building the president up, he has built himself into the, you know, scaffolded himself into by far the strongest position in the capitol.

He's not where Texas, he's still in California right now, San Francisco.

He leaves this afternoon and goes to Texas to be at the ranch tonight.

Now, if you can imagine, Rogers is very concerned about Henry's trip here, and so he has now come up with an idea which is totally wrong.

You're not to report this to Henry.

This is something we've got to handle with a very still boy.

We have not reported it to him.

We have the credit to have him consider this.

Don't worry about me.

He doesn't have anything to bother with.

Rogers has come up with the idea that he wants to go to

Moscow, Justice Henry is going to be keen to advance the Moscow trip.

First of all, he's going to be stupid.

He's going to be very unmerciful.

Second, his right as Secretary of State to him is going to be a sad man.

We also know that in terms of what we're trying to accomplish, there's a whole lot going on that he can't handle.

He just can't get through.

He can't have some deal.

I think there's a way to handle the problem.

It's a little disturbing to me, but it's the way to do it, and it's not.

Let me explain.

We have kept Rogers, of course, from going to Moscow.

And actually, we would never allow anybody to go to PT before I got there.

But everybody goes to Moscow.

But a bunch of governors, or anybody, they've got that attention.

Secretary of State is going to have to let us know they've got that attention.

It is, the main part is the substance, what's involved.

I never thought that what we ought to do is to... Bragg has always got that in him.

Back in his mind, always the idea that he really would go and therefore be the architect of the Soviet visitation and the architect of the Chinese visitation.

That we cannot have, mainly because of the substance.

He doesn't know enough about it.

He doesn't know what the great world is.

Well, the way I'm going to have a Moscow advance, I want you to make a comment.

We've got a strong one.

Has Henry ever spoken to you about the fact that he would go to Moscow and set up a meeting?

He must never go.

I don't think he has said anything.

He must not go.

Henry may have the idea.

He'll sit down with Gresham in advance and get the whole scenario, as he said, worked out.

But it's not going to be done this time.

you don't need to deal with the brain to bring it here that's not that conception and that should be absolutely pardoned henry is not to go to moscow before i do on that night it's not to be ready with me now all the projects that occurred to me that we might have in those hands let it go there

The idea being that he's, that the whole purpose is to talk about the trade problem.

The Secretary of State goes and sends those notes.

And they meet with various people and they'll have a nice little talk and impression and so forth.

We'll program your brain in advance as to the fact that we're not going to talk about the trip.

That's on purpose.

Now, in terms of time, it occurred to me that we'd have you do it right after his day off.

He's an exorcist.

Now that's possible.

We haven't raised him.

He's racist.

He wants to go to Moscow.

All good men.

And he just wants to go before the China trip.

First of all, if he were to go, nobody's going to go to Moscow to advance Moscow before the last of the China trip.

That's right, sir.

We're going to wait until that trip is over.

We should be advanced people, because we don't have any substantive business to handle.

It's not a goddamn thing.

We don't want to talk about weeding and all those things.

We're going to send the same kind of advanced team that we've always sent to Europe and other places we haven't really checked this time.

We understand that.

But what I'd like you to do, Al, is to figure out a way, maybe the stands, and the reason I said stands is that he's going for a purpose, for the purpose of discussing on the stands.

I don't know if you can say that.

I believe he's thinking about early November.

I've become objective.

I've been under his purposes to talk about trade.

It's a trade.

We're trade discussions.

Trade.

Now, the holes have been, of course, as we've inevitably had with the U.S. and Russia and so forth, the race, the questions of the medis and all the rest, and the rogues, it's like a split.

The latter part of this is true.

But on the other hand, we can totally control it.

The Russians have been awfully good about that.

You know, our whole operation with the Brennan and Hammond coal rogues is about that thing.

No, I think my greatest concern would be the Soviet attitude on the visit from Rogers at this time.

They had been very, very reluctant for their own purposes.

To what?

To have Rogers?

To have a summit or anything else at this time.

I'm just not sure that they want to do it in the terms of that time.

I think Henry is a manageable factor in the thing, Ellen.

It's his main concern and my main concern.

Not to screw up the substance.

It's not to screw up the substance, and I'm especially concerned about European security, which is the major objective of the Soviet Union, to tear NATO apart and the alliance apart.

That's the vehicle they're going to use.

They've had it for two years in their crawl, and that worries me.

And he's moving fast on that.

Who?

The Secretary.

He's called Dobrynin.

He's got Hildebrand talking to Dobrynin on the subject.

It's the most dangerous single force.

Well, he's treating this the same as the Middle East.

He said, this is my preserve, and I'm going to move on it, and...

I know what his conceptions are when he starts on something like this.

He's got to bring in a little confused.

He's told to bring in, you've made him the man for this topic.

And I think we have to be very, very careful.

It's not the man for the topic.

Well, that's what he should do.

I have no indication that that isn't his strategy.

It's a very dangerous thing to get going on a separate wicket when it's the essential aspect of the Soviet objective in everything we're doing.

The problem you get there is that Bill gets the tendency, as he does in the Mideast, to look for... Well, he has a franchise to operate without any cooperation or even any communication.

to refuse to let anybody know what he's doing here.

And that's where you get into a problem, because you get your own things going one way, and then he walks in on his wicked Michael.

They're talking about European security, that we can't do it.

That would, I think, be Henry's main concern.

It would be mine.

And they would be very, very receptive.

They'd love it.

I would have those.

Going after NATO would be the problem, while that one won't work.

Just forget you heard it.

That's right.

Bill might want to slip in and say, well, I've arranged a European security conference.

Could Christ say that we want a European security conference?

He knows better than that.

We don't want it at all.

We may have agreed on some kind, but we don't want it now.

Well, we have a lot of things to do.

That's what we get from the Russians.

That's right.

God damn it.

And by trade, I'm not going to give any.

The trade thing is, we're going back to where we get them now.

Well, is there anything that needs to be done for the Breeders to cool him off?

Well, not before Henry gets back.

Henry's back Monday.

No, I don't think we have any problems.

Don't worry.

Well, how does the Breeders get the word that the Breeders is not handling European security?

I mean, it doesn't have any branches here in the damn thing.

Breeders is just doing the talking with me.

They don't have any consultants.

Well, they told us to defend.

You can't treat them solely in America.

No, sir.

I mean, it's great.

I think the two men are going to be pulled together on this subject, and that's always the safest way.

And he's got the letter I can write to the Europeans, not the Russians.

This is not the time to talk to the Russians about European security.

No, I think, and that's what's going to be our saving grace if we can get the Europeans to be opposed, and I think most of them will be.

Then we can just point out to the Soviets that our hands are tied and we have to move forward.

Do you think there will be a solution?

I think that Iran, of course, will be hell-bent for election, but I think the French will be... Well, this needed to be pointed out.

Jesus Christ, that's the most shocking thing I've ever heard of this.

shows you how the goddamn world has come to.

Well, of course, he was with the Kurds.

He was the Times' man of the year and all the rest.

You know, it almost makes you think the Communists controlled those wars.

What do you think?

Well, I think they have a strong influence on them.

They've always had.

That Nobel gang is... God, look at some of the past candidates.

Martin Luther King.

Martin Luther, that's right.

You know, it's a rarity for them to come up with a solid guy, especially an American they'll never pick.

You know, like America.

No American should have sent him into this, really.

Cheating.

On the summit, Soviet side, sir, we're in an entirely different range of problems with the Soviets.

To send someone like the Secretary of State on an advance would suggest

Let me say, I don't blame your problem.

That has ruled out totally.

I don't even consider it for other reasons anyway.

that we have relations with the Soviet.

I'm just trying to think of a way to get Harry off on something that doesn't involve substance.

That's all.

I don't give a damn what it is, but except that.

You don't have to advance one goddamn thing.

I think there's nothing to advance.

I think there's nothing to be built up on as European.

Yeah, that's right.

That's what I'm thinking about.

You have a lot of showcase stories.

That's what you always have when you get...

Well, he's average Russian, but he makes a point that, you know, Finch is off to Latin America, and Compton is off to Asia, and the vice president's off to the rockin' birthplace, Greece.

Well, why doesn't Rodgers do a European tour?

And why doesn't he send me to European countries at the same time?

One way or another, but we haven't been there, other than he might be too hungry.

See, he could do preliminary work and get the credit for doing preliminary work before a power meeting, which could be dumped in in conjunction with NATO, but I don't think that you're... No, I'm not so sure they're against it, sir.

I think they were against the idea of coming here.

and meeting with you, but in the context of the alliance, I think they would probably be in favor of it.

We're going to go to Paris.

That's right, because the game they're trying to play is with us in the special relationship.

Yes, I understand that.

We'll do it if I remember.

Well, they're really doing what we pushed them to do years ago.

We should have another time.

Well, maybe we ought to try to get progress.

I think the major Europeans were at this time.

I think we need a lot of...

The U.S. could use a big show of... And also, why don't we do this?

I think what Roberts ought to do is... Because Henry just...

Consciously irritates Rogers.

Every time he talks to him.

There's no way he can talk to him without irritating him.

You know, he just can't help it because, you know, they're just bad.

Get the hell away.

I think what we ought to do is to have Rogers do some consulting with regard to our European friends and so forth prior to the Soviet Union.

So he should go around.

Let him go home to Europe.

And also, it may be a fairly extended effort.

It's an extended trip of planning on the European thing.

And also, I think he ought to do two or three countries in which he could do some Latin American consultation.

Because we've got to have some sort of a Latin American meeting, I think, on the web.

That's absolutely right.

Where the hell can we talk about that?

Rogers?

Now that's not that one place where we can't give him a branch.

I'll repeat, I need to hand the hell out to him.

I mean, he would tell me, but that's where, like Rogers, I said, why can't we go to, he had to discuss it with Pinterest, or they're going to ask.

Where did you come from?

Black America.

Yeah.

We came in Brazil.

That is the way of it.

I go to Brazil, frankly, if I were you.

I go to Brazil.

It's basically a capital.

If you go to Brazil, you have no demonstrator problems at all.

I think they could handle it.

That's right.

They only had the facilities, yes, sir.

But I think maybe a Latin American meeting with the Chief of State would be very useful.

Mexico.

Mexico City, of course.

I think that's worth a lot of careful attention and something that we get.

Well, you follow up on that now with Rogers.

You understand?

Let him think.

Let him think, Al.

He's doing something.

Henry...

Henry treats everybody like an air boy.

He doesn't, he just can't help accepting everybody.

Bob, you know how he does.

He just doesn't, and he says, now don't do this, and don't do this, and don't do that.

He can't treat.

He's got to control it, but he's got to learn to do it without treating them as if they didn't know that they couldn't hold their hands.

Let them have the ideas.

Let them have the credit.

I talked to Henry about this.

I said, for Christ's sake, Henry, it's a good idea.

Don't let it appear to be yours.

Let it appear to be theirs.

No, I don't.

All right, how about letting Rogers work on that?

Would you do it?

Do you see any objection to that?

No, I think it's a good idea.

I think it's urgently needed.

I think it's going to be a democratic platform that should be involved.

And when will you have it?

Well, at my point, it's going to take some months to get ready because of the disarray earlier.

Probably December.

How about a time that we could let off the surcharge on it?

That's what I would think.

If we could combine it with that, then we'd really have an era of accomplishment.

I want to do something like a pleated apartment.

How about a time that I remove the surcharge from Latin America?

That would be a good idea, sir.

Well...

But we've got to start it now.

Don't wait until he ever gets back.

Because then he'll get his hands on it.

I don't know what will happen.

He'll call Rogers in like a little boy and tell him to do it.

You know that's the way it's going to work.

And Rogers will be furious.

He'll do it, but he won't like it.

Then maybe we'll have lost the whole benefit.

Sir, so you call Rogers and tell him that I've mentioned this.

It could be.

But tell him that the President would appreciate it if he...

rather than Charlie Meyer, that is, I'm going to tell you, a candidate that I have a hell of a lot of confidence in, Meyer, I think he's fine with speaking Spanish, but I don't think he's very good in terms of overall taking the place in the rest, and for he and you to work it out, because you and he would like to work it out together.

And you're increasingly concerned about that.

Yeah.

The left arm is going to be becoming an issue.

I think the bill should start this consultation with major lands and countries immediately on it, you know.

Don't do it after ministry terms, which is starting so that we can set it, make it within a month, in 30 days, by the 1st of December.

And I've asked you, if he could get to work, I'm going to tell him.

I want you to tell him that I'm attentive and that I just would particularly want him

to supervise this, that he just, he doesn't want to talk to Meyer about it, because I have no confidence in Meyer.

I mean, I don't have, I don't think it's critical that he's, I don't think he's fine on a computer-computer basis, but he has to.

It's a bigger problem for this one.

This problem is too big.

It's too big.

And it should be closely held and so forth.

But I want the president, I want the secretary to direct the whole thing.

You will be the White House contact.

See?

And tell them that you will work out the date with all of them that we've been working on.

who had us contact, and I'm thinking of a meeting any place they want in Latin America.

But I think it practically probably ought to be, it has to be a three, four day meeting.

It's got to be, because I'll have to be the whole Chief of State of the Division.

So it'll be a long time, but that's all right.

There's no better way to spend our time.

It's a goddamn good thing, huh?

It's a good way to spend time.

Good way to spend time.

If you can go to one place and have a meeting and avoid, uh, I'm just kidding.

I'm not going to make any calls out of the country.

I must go to a place, and I must sit in this area where there's no one there with me.

We could get it all firmed up.

He spoke to me about going to the OAS.

That's all right with me, too.

But they're telling me to figure out the options, and we'd like to decide that very soon.

To do a, could put the clincher on when the medicine's here, if necessary.

Yeah, he's here on the 7th.

He's there.

Maybe we'd like to work it out before medicine gets here.

In fact, we don't need...

Maybe we don't want to announce it when he's here, but... Oh, okay.

If we're their energy, that's the biggest country.

But I personally think that Brazil must live that way.

That's my personal choice.

For security and other reasons, it's the biggest country.

It's the center of the country, the damn continent.

And also, it's up to them to take leadership, and after that... Do they have hotel facilities there?

Oh, sure.

One day.

They just make it there.

They've got to have a system.

But you got the press and all that.

Screw the press.

The town is 500,000, mid-thousand people.

Well, I think they have everything.

I think they have everything.

Oh, yes.

This place is built up fast.

But you see, every chief of state in the state is innocent.

Sure.

No problem there.

And the hotel, their status, they don't like it.

I'm sure they have great facilities because it's so isolated, they have to do that.

Yeah, I bet you they have.

It's terrible.

But the main thing is it's controllable.

Yeah, controllable.

Like Rio would be a landmine.

I think your idea about Rogers is correct, too, that in terms of the European thing,

And we really ought to have him make a consultative tour of Europe, planning those over for the NATO meeting.

If you said, first, they'd find it as Henry has talked about having the NATO meeting turned into a chief of state meeting, what do you think of that?

Well, I don't know if you were in the time frame, but I think personally, sir, that it's going to be essential for you to meet with these Western European leaders.

All of them?

Well, certainly the four.

Well, the four, after that.

Yeah, that's right.

I think it should be before Moscow.

Yeah, really, before Peking.

And it's just got to be, you're moving from a base of unity and consultation.

And hopefully we could perhaps do it.

Well, why don't you tell a bit about yourself?

Discuss with him also the idea of what about a, before Peking and Moscow, that this, but Cullick don't ask anybody, because he doesn't know we've already consulted these people, you know, and turned down.

What did we come up with on the fire of Pompidou?

I don't wait for Henry to get back, because Henry will come back and he'll spend a month to think about it before he decides.

We've got to start moving.

You see, Al left Henry a handful of plays that even didn't matter.

He's handed Moscow a big game, but Henry's got to stay the hell out of Ecuadorian vigorous and all this other bullshit that he sends in here.

He's just got to stay out of it.

Let the State Department handle the crowd.

Don't you agree?

Oh, I do, sir.

I think he would, too.

You never think about it.

They've got a feel that they do something.

Of course they do.

You can't help but think they're arrogant.

You hear it, and do a lot of the arrogant meaning, and you're listening, and you're setting yourself up for a problem of not doing after the whole deal.

Africa has no interest in the differences.

The point is that Latin America is part of an alliance.

Yeah.

And we have no alliance in Africa.

We don't have relations with the OAU.

Screw Africa.

We don't consult with a bunch of goddamn cannibals before you go somewhere else.

I don't think there's any problem at all in Africa.

I'd counsel them if there's an issue.

No, sir.

That's right.

That'll help.

Africa is not going to be done.

No, I think it would be a waste of time.

Well, there's not enough to talk to him about.

Good luck, then.

No, Africa, everybody knows that it's not our sphere of influence, too.

That's a European sphere of influence.

It's ours, but Latin America is.

They're our friends.

Okay, if you handle this as subtly as you can, and say, now listen, these are the things we want to do, but tell them that secrecy is the thing that's most important.

That's why don't get it down to the bowels of bureaucracy and hand it to the painters.

Until we are ready to go, because we'll get slapped out in public, we have.

That's right.

By some country abroad.

Just say, let's do this.

In the game, you might already get two or three majors agreeing to it, and then spring it off.

Now, on the European one, you want to ask him about, about bracing the NATO meeting for the heads of state, and then, of course, that'd be all of them.

Is that a good idea, Razor?

Now, I...

I wonder.

I think we'd be better off... With the four?

With the four, sir.

How do you do that, really?

They may be here to tell Rockies about that.

I think on that one I would wait until Henry gets back because it's so it's it's so intimately intermeshing this security conference and assault agreement.

But the way I think I would do it would be to ask Pompey to host a working dinner or a day at a weekend place where the heads have stayed in the floor in conjunction with the

nato ministerial meeting uh would come i think i think they could all do it on a just for one session as a as a ceremonial thing that would have all the heads of state of the ministry no sir i don't think so it's a little unmanageable i i would keep it down to the ministers and myself at the ministerial meetings

Well, I think we have to sort this out very carefully.

It can be done very quickly.

And when we move, we only move

very decisively to do it, I have a feeling that they will all welcome it, including the British, because it's in the context of the European alliance.

In fact, Annenberg came in about a week ago and suggested they were very anxious to have such a thing, the British were.

He had it out of their sight.

Wow, I think he was four.

Yes, sir.

Oh, they had it right in Paris.

They had it right in Paris.

It was impressive.

They know so much of the science of it.

People say, see, everybody stays in his embassy.

That's the way it works.

The chiefs say there's no way to handle it without staying in your embassy.

And if my embassy stayed, where would we go?

They'd move me.

But they'd go to the main college and then have some of that.

I'm pretty sure they have.

They could.

They would break it down.

That's where I'm checking to it.

I thought Henry had already talked to Mountain Dew earlier.

Have we?

We have not heard back from Watson.

We suggest that he tentatively mention a meeting.

Call Mountain Dew on the phone today and find out what he hears.

I'd like to just know, don't tell Rogers about this segment.

Except, are you sure it's all right?

No.

I think I'd sit on this one.

Suppose he hears it.

We've already talked to Mountain Dew.

Well, no, we've told Watson to just do this on a...

I see.

Secure basis.

Secure basis, and to do it in such a way that we make no commitment but to get his thinking as to whether or not he'd be receptive to such a meeting.

I think he will be receptive.

You took me to Paris.

I've got to go there.

You see, the purpose of reason is as positive as the head of state as I am.

The others are not.

So you go...

They had a safe place.

Also put Bulls and Koreans in here and the French back into the NATO complex.

It tends to do that.

Now, that'll be a source of some criticism, but it's also a source of some progress in the direction we've been moving.

We need it.

It seems to me the Latin is a perfect thing to give Rogers his head.

Right, and badly needed.

Yeah.

It will be a plus all the way around, I think.

We should start on that immediately.

And, uh, is you interested in a piece of action in that?

Uh-huh.

Would you give Mitch some piece of the action in that?

It isn't necessary.

Mitch is getting a hell of a, a good enough play on what he's doing.

It's, this would be Roger's action and not Mitch's.

Mitch has got run-down around there now, and he knows, he will leave.

He'll leave.

I think he's leaving the fifth or sixth, you see what I mean?

So by that time,

I'm sure we can talk to people on the way about it.

Actually, they all want to discuss what they think ought to be on the agenda, working on things like that.

How was the UN vote?

There's a little bit more optimism, sir, that we may get this all right.

Oh, yes, he did.

He did very well.

He talked very strongly to the Greeks about the problem.

I think we're going to get the Greeks.

I think we're going to get the Turks.

We sent a strong message.

How about the Venezuelans, for example?

These are the ones that we have to... Well, the Venezuelans, it's cold turkey meat.

They come along and they get their oil from the country.

That's what it is.

I don't think they understand that.

Well, they've got to understand it, because the same is true of, I mean, Jesus Christ, we ought to be able to be large in the end in some way, too.

We've gone to them with a strong message yesterday.

A lot of time today.

Yes, sir.

Gave them a...

Moral message.

A memoir and a moral message.

I think we'll get them all right.

I think the chances are a little better than they've been.

And we're making a complete wrap-up

tonight for tomorrow's meeting with the Secretary and George Bush.

And we're also putting all the leverage points that we have on the stealth defense centers.

You're gone, huh?

What the hell's the matter with that?

I called Ravine and

and gave him a very strong... Well, I guess we're a base against either that or else.

They can't expect us to mess the hell with them.

Goddamn Jews are better than them, because we're their only friends in the world.

What the hell's the matter with them?

Why are they screwing around?

Well, I think they're playing games with the ship.

This is... Did they give us some plans of what to do with it?

No, no, no, they didn't, sir, but I think that's the underlying factor that...

You just put it the other way around.

They do this where they aren't, but the others consider denying it.

Well, I gave them a pretty starchy message yesterday.

All right, sir.

Get Roger to work on this thing.

Yes, sir.

It is hard to do all these things, but...

Bill's contact, for example, on the security and security conference is typical of what Henry's concern is.

God damn it, you gave me something that he wants to, he really wants to pander to this fellow rather than do it in front of you.

He wants to try to get it all here.

He wants to get it all here and not have anybody know what he's doing so that he can make sure nobody gets it.

Well, let's give away the sort of order against it.

We're all cross-caste with anybody in the European Security Council.

A big, even the mayor, I know this from the legislative year's meeting, I was just shocked.

He said it was a problem.

This is a Soviet matter.

It's hard to defy otherwise.

It's something that there's a possibility we might have a European Security Council.

I mean, the integration was right.

And Bill Rhodes, that's the point.

He knows about it.

And see, he wants to get his record set so that they, all right.

Well, I think on this thing, I think he could be let down on the Soviet thing, British 722 thing, which is the advanced thing.

I don't know.

I guess I didn't call it in time.

I don't want Henry to come in and raise the subject.

It's not to be raised.

I've decided he's not to go again.

And I agree.

I think I don't think he'd go at all.

Because he could screw up some other things.

It's so that to save any embarrassment on him is certainly a sin.

You could well plan the difference between the two.

You know what I mean?

We have diplomatic relations with the others.

We've never done it with any other country.

The Secretary of State is always the right thing to do.

Yes, well, we're going to discuss things at very great summits, yes we are, but that should be done at diplomatic channels.

He knows very well, of course, he's smart enough to know that.

If the Latin American won't do the diverting, that's fine, we'll let him handle it together.

Well, it helps.

It helps us a little bit, but he'll help us, he'll give us some publicity.

The thing that would help, if it did seem to be worthwhile, that I think would divert him, is that he could do a sort of grand tour of Europe type thing, where he bonds all, bonds Geronimo and Snowden in looking like he's preparing the Allies.

That sort of thing.

As a follow-up, maybe he can't do it because they're all there at the NATO meeting and that's where he should do it.

But he could go back... Oh, those foreign countries are there.

Yeah.

He could go back and meet with heads of state in the European countries, couldn't he?

I mean, heads of government.

Yeah.

Where do I go here?

I suppose I'd have to set mine in late January or something.

Yeah.

Here's the problem.

The ideal time for me to do this as a state is in December or October.

Well, all right.

Why couldn't you do it with the other countries?

Why couldn't you do it with the big four and then they'll follow up on the rest of you?

Be there with you in this house where you're from.

Well, he could go more than he could be in charge of that.

The test is that, you know, with all his charm, he just isn't the right man in that job, is he?

No, he really isn't, Bob.

He's just a goddammit.

He's just as hilarious as the right man in the fence.

He's just got two people there that have great ability, he's armistice ability, both of them, in their way.

He can't see the big things, can he?

Do you think he ever sees the big things?

He does.

Once in a while, but he...

Yes, he's...

But above everything else, it's all he's doing.

He sees it through Rodgers coming across.

Yeah.

You know, I was thinking that on all these big things, he's...

He knows they're big.

He knows they're...

He wants us to succeed.

You know, there's...

He's a little bit different from Larry, in that respect.

I'm sorry, I don't care.

He'll do what he does.

On the other hand, he's just...

Painfully, just painfully, he goes, he goes like, God damn, it's terrible.

Where'd we stop?

We started about there.

There's the flying bucket.

Democrats are going to make Latin American-ish money.

You know, people here don't give one shit.

Your children, absolutely.

We've been around this track a number of times.

No Latin American had to stay here.

Nobody gives one ticker damn a lot of Colombia, Venezuela, etc.

We tried.

You know, they didn't care about Mexico.

Not much.

Mexicans do a little.

Pretty much.

But you know what I mean.

We don't need Mexicans.

That's a good job.

It's too bad.

That's why if you do, if you do anything in Latin America, it would be a lot better just from our viewpoint, I think, to go down to South America than it would be to go to just to Mexico.

I agree.

Because you've been to Mexico and we've so overdone the Mexican president.

Yeah.

We're going to go down to Latin America.

That's not bad.

Anyway, I mean, I don't know that he won't get any world leaders.

Yeah, world leaders.

That's it.

And sort of mobilizing that.

Yes, sir.

You have to do Canada, see who will have done that.

God damn, Canada.

You know, isn't it rather ironic that most people just get in touch with a hell of a bunch of demonstrators in Canada?

The Canadians are considered to be like most of these Americans.

They are pure.

They can't protect them.

They're not fun.

They haven't been true as we have.

Right?

That's why this year, I don't think you want to get into any touring in Canada.

Where is that meeting going to be held?

Ottawa, I guess.

Where do we go?

I haven't said it yet.

I'll set it after rush.

You can't win on that.

You just want to get it over with, right?

If you give it after Russia, it'll be for the last time people will have it.

That's why I said if you give it after China, perhaps it's good.

Mix it in between China and Russia, it'll get lost, because you're meeting.

And only the day I'm not going to spend the night.

But you agree?

Oh, we have to spend one night.

You probably have to spend one night, because you have to have a dinner.

You're meeting the next day.

I would spend the next days, just go up, go up and arrive there in time to have the meetings during the day.

No, no, just have a farewell meeting in the morning.

That's right.

Like we do here, you know, just a farewell meeting in the morning, 10 o'clock in the morning, 10 o'clock or something, then leave.

That's right.

Because of the attack on, that's what I mean, the attack.

The armed forces, yeah.

And Doug, you know, we don't have the Russians coming here to protect you.

He will.

He'll not have a problem.

I don't think he will.

We don't have Washington because we're going to leave.

We have as well, I hope, in Los Angeles.

Five, six, seven years ago.

That's it.

He's kind of become a non-threat now.

We're actually here at the event, and I think that we did well, and this is a little crunching ring on him.

Let him go over and just make a turn here before I arrive here.

Henry doesn't have to handle everything, Bob.

He really doesn't have to handle everything.

That's the whole point.

And it's a sure thing in security when I realize this.

We won't borrow him.

Let's handle it.

All right.

Right here, of course, is a frantic search for issues by our Democratic friends.

That's what they're up to.

We're hit right now.

Of course, they're grasping at every stop.

Anything that comes their way, like every effort to escalate, if it takes hold one to the right, if it doesn't, they'll try something else.

If it's Latin America, it's their issue.

We're in great shape.

I don't have it.

According to that last one, we went back to our two appointments, and that's where we ended up.

After that, we go where?

Basically, we caught him screwing with everybody.

Then, what happens in terms of that?

Nothing else.

And our ability to handle it well.

One was a little foolish, and schooled him up.

on the right side of the issue.

There's no way you could win.

I know it when I find her children pointed out to a lot of kids that don't need a mouth-butt.

I'm saying, where you don't have to get a free mouth-butt, they get it.

They shouldn't.

Nevertheless, press all rights, if needy children are given, have their mouth cut off.

You know, you don't move all that cut off.

Just anybody with a little part of their body gets a mouth-butt, otherwise you shouldn't have.

You shouldn't have.

Yeah, but then they argue that that's degrading to the poverty chart.

We have to improve these properties so we can get free milk.

Jesus Christ.

It's awful.

It's done and awful.

They should, uh, be caving.

Give them goddamn milk.

We'll get such programs in the future.

That's the main thing.

It's not real.

I don't know.

Or are you sick?

Good night.

Don't know.

So, Cooper, did you get a judgment on that trip?

Really?

Did you find, like, the best?

Yeah.

Oh, that's good.

We can do that in the church.

I don't want to bother you.

We'll see.

Just call us.

It's a small thing, but... Should we go again?

Just say that I...

I'll be here at the end of the hour.

I told him that

Connie has told Arthur that he's a good man.

Arthur's taken that as being a Connie endorsement.

Connie has told us that he is.

He doesn't want to do it yet.

The reason he's worried about it is the reason.

He is a good man.

There's nothing wrong with that.

But he will be Arthur's man, and we won't be able to control him.

And Arthur will.

So Connolly said just hold up on it for a little while.

And Arthur says we can't, the board can't act because we divide four to three.

When we get the vacancy, we'll be in a three to three split.

And Connolly says just sit tight.

All right, let's sit tight.

Good.

Here's one place where Arthur is, you know, his head against Connolly.

Yeah.

will never keep up on that.

I lost her.

She's in good shape.

She's going to get all but one vote on the committee.

She'll lose Harris, who's the only one.

And they're going to, they're hearty, I think they're hearty.

But all the rest are with her.

And the

There is no indication of any problem with the Senate.

It's a partisan message.

Our friends in the Los Angeles Times always used to say we were culprits.

Sure were.

Of course, did he hurt anybody?

He shows a weakness there, so we got out of time because they have a new service.

AP comes every few different times, sir.

You realize that?

Sir?

Well, there's been a lot of times where the service hasn't cared about it.

One, one, two.