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Amen.

Okay.

Since foreign aid is as popular as dinner, even the White House should not vote so far.

I see it pretty well.

Down.

It makes a different kind of news and bigger news.

Well, it's not always different, but it's not always different when Cedar says that it's present.

On the other hand, it's just well-known because we have it all sort of faceless.

Well, and it's another way, if they come in here, you can name them.

And they'll go out and do some things that they don't do.

Now they're sitting over there in the apartments with their scared little people behind them.

You can get a guy cranked up here running right after the press before he gets, uh,

I've got a situation on Florida.

We're going to have to keep that loose depending on how soon the no return has reached on that phase through with the labor guys.

If it's this week, I can't go out and have it blow when I'm gone.

You see what I mean?

I am a student, and so I will help.

So I can ask you to go to the board, and then I'll tell them.

I will, uh, get it settled for planning purposes.

I'll definitely come back on Monday night.

I deal with the board aid and the other thing on that.

Wait, I better be here.

Yes, sir.

Something comes up.

I'm just not sure I can do it for you.

I'm sorry, we're getting stopped.

We shall see.

For the situation on the last turn.

Yes.

Is that satisfied?

So I go along with the people, that's what he wants.

Hey, we're east of the spot, you know, a few particular people.

And you don't just go down and sit at the table and let people poke you around.

You'll work your way out of all of this stuff.

Great.

Cry about that.

If you're going out, not only going down the tunnel,

Low volume, so they're not making any money trading either.

The low volume is the more expensive one.

Good, good.

Sure.

Crazy change the way he runs around.

He must fight people.

Bob goes down to 500.

He's like the Jew that was here.

The Daoist.

He goes down to 500 when he was in the United States two years ago.

Remember?

Yeah.

Boy, history.

That's a long way to go, can't you see?

The market, you see.

Well, it's interesting that, to me, there hasn't been very much of a stir about the market going down, even like yesterday, which was a big drop.

It hasn't been.

I don't know why.

I would think that people would really be leaning on that to try to get a look on something.

I just wanted to make us have time, I guess, because it shows the market chart.

But even there, the way they charted it, they showed that, you know, it's back then to where it was, really.

That's right.

So what it shows is there was a big boom in August, and it's faded off now.

Right.

Below where it was.

But after about seven, not much.

Well, it was about 940.

But anyway, it was way below the top five.

I mean, it's still about where it was.

I think it's a question, too, of, you know, we've been talking a great deal about this whole business of confidence.

It doesn't have a lot to do with, you know, getting on the stage and experience.

Although I must say, I'm pretty sure, and I understand you, and I'll do well.

I think that, uh, the economy of the police in charge, if you've got to hear what it was kind of like, that's very important.

It's kind of like, it doesn't make any difference.

So our markets are better than other things in terms of an era when it's really a new bill eventually from up and resolved.

Well, it's at the same point that they, for instance, business and its steps, understand that they don't believe that they're going to get the investment tax credit until the bill is signed and, you know, the money's there.

I don't care.

I think about that.

on automobile excise things.

And I've got to get out of the committee now that it hasn't passed.

You mean the tax go down or something?

They've got to be on excise things now.

I guess not.

At least it was under the U.S. Senate hearing.

I don't think so.

It was the tax on domestic products that suspended the tax on foreign products.

No economic.

Schultz is so really rapidly opposed to the controls brought on him that despite the fact that he's a very honorable falch, he cannot resist.

So I really want to thank you.

They make it hard.

See, if they go off, he thinks they're going to go off, and he can't.

So, well, what we do, I said, well, we just have to sort of go a little and let it go.

Because, you know, he just feels so strongly about it.

Of course, that's what he does not, being a little biotic, fighting for such a strong thing.

It didn't make any damn difference whether it worked or not, but we just were struggling.

We had to, despite the battle, it was more important whether it worked.

Yes, he was just trying to make it work now, but work to a point where he can block the latest three by the middle of next year, so that you don't go into the election with an underdog vote system.

I know that man, and then on that basis, I'll let him handle a lot of that.

Someone might not be back, because he's absolutely sound, accepted, and good to me.

he has an interesting work that's starting to go down interesting pieces he's laid out last night for jenner he also bought completely which is that we're at a fascinating point right here in that you by your revolutionary initiatives have cut loose the moorings on an awful lot of things and that we have the opportunity now to aim in

I think we need some really good thought on where we ought to be going.

Like economic, domestic policy, economic policy, both domestic and international, and the whole water policy.

And you've got EC's all incentive action and that kind of stuff as being a part of this in a sense that there's

of fluidity now that there has been before you've got the war basically done, you've got the question of how you reorient the pieces.

And his point is that you are, he's being very critical of our operation, basically, because he's saying you're the only one who has the tendency to look

And then when one of us, or as he says, when he or other people come in and raise a point of one factor that they're working on, one piece that they're concerned with, you see it in the context of all the things where other people don't.

And he's arguing there's a need for some level of staff and administration thinking at the point of the whole thing instead of just the individual pieces that he's just concerned with.

He was making this point earlier and Kissinger himself

bad or bad people like the government has to see it all from the standpoint of, well, should we have a value-added tax?

And basically, in that argument, Irving was trying very hard to get his stuff adjusted to the political realities.

He has trouble doing that in the Indian business.

basically a liberal spad.

He would not want to admit this.

But like everybody else that's in that position, it's a liberal spad.

I mean, they basically are not far liberal, but it's basically to the left of center.

Well, they're trying to prove that the political realities are what they want them to be.

For instance, Harper's Pearl Keele School, I don't know where he just, it was ridiculous.

I'm trying to prove to you that Catholics don't care about Pearl Keele School.

That's correct.

That's right.

But beyond that, they also want to, and they constantly get back to want to prove that people do care about the environment, because that's our program, that they do care about revenue sharing, because that's our program.

You know what I get at is that it's just inevitable that we fall into the same

Same kind of liberal crack and all that everybody else does.

That's the problem that I think we've had.

We've tended to go overboard in that direction.

I heard the next strong case, in fact, that is necessary because people want their president to be progressive.

That is the theory.

And we're not to a point to accept that.

I think we are not in a position

with the media problems to do anything probably but lose both ways the media will never a lot would never say we mean it and uh they will play it at the moment and then they'll say we're not doing it for reasons and then after the you get out and on the concrete and that doesn't make her for anything now basically uh that's why i have tried

and some of these things to get some sort of data image.

You know, he just got a need to have data on all the things.

The court appointments were technical, you know.

Yeah.

The government was with the best of intentions, but it's just to get to the candidate section that we took a run at Howard.

If you wanted Howard Baker and Kat Weingarten, that would have been a mistake.

I mean, the Baker would have been all right if we had taken him, but not as good as Powell's and Chertoff.

That's good.

But the other hand, my murder would not have been all right, because he wanted it.

I mean, because he thought it was in my best interest.

This is typical of a lot of others in the staff, but we just can't get into this thing as a point-to-conservative court, see.

Well, I had a point-to-conservative start time, but I didn't.

I'm going to do what I'm keen on.

The problem is, they take an hypothesis, they buy it, and then they become blinded by it.

And that's, well, we all tend to do that, I guess.

Well, this is the point George was making, and I think he's right.

It's a concept we've got to start trying to build in, is that everybody knows the overall picture.

What I'm talking about, if you get to the total area, is if everybody starts to hear that call, that's what they want to talk about.

Remember, it's the big picture guys in the camp.

And you want to get the light bulbs to go out, and you want to get them to put gas in the tires.

You want to sit and talk about the big picture.

Boy, I'll tell you, you're so right there.

If you have a couple people, though, that see the parts as they've been in the big picture, at least,

rather than just leaving that all to you.

One of the reasons we put a whole economy, for example, in the NSC process is because we don't want him to just become a guy who's obsessed with the idea of the M.A.

side.

He's an ideal guy for the big picture.

He would be doing it, unless we were pulling him in, because it's very easy to just become a budgeteer or become trapped by your department, especially for a cabin option.

On the other hand, there's no reason to be discouraged about it.

I mean, you're frustrated, but not discouraged, because the tax bill is going to pass.

And when it does, that's out of the way.

And then we will .

These boards have pretty good shape in finance.

They're going to be in good shape.

And everybody says, well, but the boards don't have any depth.

And people don't know exactly what phase two is going to mean to them.

Well, phase two hasn't started yet.

Boards have only been appointed for a couple weeks.

You've got to build the world in seven days.

And until you believe that they're going to come along, they're going to have some savings to make and so forth and so on.

In other words...

Well, the board will.

Oh, hell, I know about labor.

I was quite with them.

Giving labor pretty much what they want as far as 71 is concerned.

Yeah.

And the only addition to that is how you handle retroactivity as related to the pre-surgery.

They probably worked that out.

But if you believe in that, you might be able to get it to ride through 72, at least for a while, or at least go into it on the basis of riding into it.

And then let it blow up in the middle of the airplane, then for it to scuttle and then go from there and attack it.

Rob?

John and Isco are very anxious that you take a few minutes to meet with them.

the key cabinet officers on the reorganization question because they start testifying tomorrow and they want to show a presidential support of the proposals business involved.

What they want to do is bring in Romney, Opie, Morton, Richardson, Stans, Hodgson, and Campbell.

And then Romney and Schultz would read the press afterwards.

And say, well, it's all right.

Don't let it interfere with this stuff.

You don't want to work on this.

Clear until 530.

But they should do this at 330 or something like that.

4 o'clock, we'll do the briefing.

Get them in here for a half hour.

Is that fair enough?

Fifteen minutes.

It's purely so they can say they've talked with you.

And they can go out.

Go out and talk to you.

It's going to take a little longer.

Fifteen minutes.

Three-thirty.

You don't need to on this one.

This is really...

really is one where all they want to do is, you know, do it for cosmetics.

So it's, there's nothing to talk about.

Oh, I know.

That's what they want for them.

Time to hop in and send the pick-up kits and pull them up.

You may pick up one piece of that, which would be... Yeah.

Sorry.

I don't understand, but I just wondered, Mr. Egan, before the election, you know, all the men and so forth, this interview.

There aren't going to be enough more of them, probably a matter of any more.

No, I'm not referring to the time, but I'm just wondering if it should be done at all.

You know what I mean?

It's an old element.

I feel it's different from the way my life has done it before.

I cut it down and I'm just standing up behind their hands and don't get out.

That's the way it is.

It is okay very much.

You know, you can do more, but you don't need to.

No, he naturally looked at it and said, spend a couple of hours getting your whole philosophy to go.

I'm not going for that.

I really can't do it for them.

I can't do it with these folks.

So they've done some pretty good playback off of that.

They go back and follow up on these guys.

They're using them as a deferential inside some of the areas here.

Just keep your eyes on them.

I think having Colson in on it will be extremely helpful, due to the fact that he's the only one that I can see that will be positive, you know.

Trying to carry us the whole, all the rest of the group are, are basically rather, you know, they're good men, but they, they have really bad dogs.

Yeah, and all the rest.

Or is there another way to do it?

If you can't, he'd go out, he'd, he'd Colson out.

No, Colson beats Mitchell.

Yeah, but that's not right.

It's, Mitchell's just got to learn that, you know, Mitchell isn't always right, you know.

Sure, that's basic.

But you had said, and some of the time I invite the nominee and see, you know.

or congressman or senator i just got a regular seat on you take charge of it i think that's the thing that's done under your auspices you know just have one big week that i do every damn week starting them and building them on uh on things and you know and then pushing back the job and it's just really a great idea but the idea that i would do it that i will not be there is the important thing that i should could you also take a look at the

Maybe he does.

Other than one goal, if I could suggest, if maybe we're putting too much of a load on Colson, you know, he goes out there so often, and we didn't need this.

So, if you could call it down then, maybe that would help.

So that he knows, that he knows directly that you're, he may not know Colson.

You know, to see if there's a direction for me, you see, or that I mark things down, that might be helpful.

Well, we ought to be able to get him back, back cranked up.

He's, he's, it's a, we've got to work on him.

I think we'll just try to let him feel that he's, he's taking on the, the,

He's lost his own value by, to some degree, not completely, but by serving all the worthy instead of just leading the charge.

I wish you would get at this.

I told you we were going to talk about it.

Apparently,

She thought she had a, and maybe it was a misunderstanding, she had met with you in September and said that she'd like to get a schedule and so forth.

You know, did you, did she talk about, maybe she, I'm sorry, I said it might be a misunderstanding, that she would be glad to do something, you know, and go out.

Could we give her some events?

And she said that she hasn't heard anything.

She says, did you hear anything, you know, about events for her to do?

She's got a whole, so I'm going to bring it in.

She's got a whole bunch that she's accepted about 10 or 12, turned in about the same number.

Where are they?

They're all over the country.

She's got them now.

She's going out to Lenovo this weekend.

Yeah, I know.

That was one.

That was something she picked up herself.

Well, and they give them their events.

They are really working.

She's here now.

I'm going to go over and look there.

I would really write her a card because I want her to.

She wants to do a lot, and First Christian would like to, too.

And I think you could sign on a couple of times a week if they're willing to do it.

But it has to be done.

You say that they have already given her some of that stuff.

I don't know what they call that anymore.

Ripper now.

That's the point.

Maybe they didn't know she was going to be available by now.

Maybe that's it.

Oh, is there an extra year?

No, it's started.

The things I went over with her to begin with were starting right at that time and she didn't want to start a guy on that right then because of a school accident.

She wasn't chafing it out yet.

So we dropped the early part and started moving on the things starting really now.

And we had it all, you know, a whole batch laid out against David's crew schedule.

So that when he was out, we had the opportunities for her.

I'll go back over all that.

Maybe we should just .

from Florida, and she would go from down there.

Now, just when she's here, I guess that was her plan at that point.

See, when she's in Florida and he's gone, a lot of her, she'd go out from there, just on a very regular basis, and she'd take a little nap.

And, of course, here's Tracy sitting up there with the same capacity.

Most kids, most kids don't have enough to do, have they?

No.

But the crisis, you know, it is a bad thing.

What do you do?

What do the crisis do to you?

Well, of course, they have a very...

The church, too, we can't do that.

They get into the local civic stuff.

And a lot of them just have bridge clubs or sewing circles or whatever.

Good, I see.

the same intelligence and receptiveness on that schedule as you do on mine.

And they got me to have somebody who would know that I knew was terribly important.

And for that, for the three actually, for that too.

Because they all seem to be willing to do something particularly more than any of the others.

And it's good for the others to do it too.

Because we've got that asset out here to get them the hell out all over the country, you know.

We have so many cases, I'm sure, where everybody just kind of had to come in and make comments.

Others here have fired a lot.

A couple of them have come to you.

We go through them one at a time.

They come in through your scheduling thing, as Julie scheduled suggestions, just the same as, you know, these sheets, recommendations for administrative ministry.

And maybe we have more jobs in the state.

He always said, he didn't, he just, let me, it may not be new ground, let me discuss it just a little in terms of what the problem is.

We know about it, it's both, it's all on both sides, but there's certainly more on Bill's, in my respect,

I guess what got us was getting Henry down in addition to the usual things.

But he sees an article that has had to do with our strategy in terms of learning the arts from him.

There's an article by Klein at the time, and he says he doesn't talk to him.

He lets the cat out of the bag, he says, Klein, and he calls him in the evening, or the other day, or something, so what the hell.

He does.

But nevertheless, Klein, you know, it hinders his culture.

Klein, that's his tortured article, in terms of saying that

He stayed with the leadership and he started trying to make it to the Warsaw Talks.

Does it really say that?

That's what he's told me.

And I read the article.

It's different than the way I'm seeing it.

He overreacts to the articles too.

What it says is that the break that came at some point just before the Warsaw Talks was an ideal break in your year-long effort

to reopen the China, or to open the China question.

And then it does, despite the fact that Bill Rogers on November 7, 1969 or something, did something or other.

But it is in no way what Henry Clayton, he was telling us about it too, so I'll cut the thing out and read it.

Yeah.

Because that seemed not bad, I guess.

Well, just like the Scottie, his report on the Scottie Gresson interview with Joe and I, it wasn't nearly as bad as Henry said it was, made it sound.

He expands on one question and makes that...

Well, he's been a soldier ever since he was brought in.

He's constantly come back for one of the Rogers.

Scali has come to always watch what you're doing.

And I just told him that Rogers said that the biggest success he had in foreign policy was tracking the president around on China.

Well, of course, I can't believe that Scali ever told him such a damn thing.

But, Henry said, you ask him.

Well, no.

You see what I mean?

Yeah, I don't think Rodgers, but nevertheless, it, maybe, maybe we're, maybe I've got something else here.

Maybe we have to now unleash Henry Little and let him battle along his, I don't know, some editorial types of times and so forth.

Is it probably time to, there is, there is, there's no question about that the State Department people

State Department people are trying desperately.

And it's understandable to prove that they had something to do with everything.

Now, in my view, it doesn't, I don't think that that really amounts to anything.

I don't think people give one shit about who did what and so forth.

And as far as the historical record is concerned,

The historical record is anything that's written out of the columns and the rest is going to be as nothing compared to what Henry had actually done.

We've got the papers.

Look, let me, I had absolutely nothing to do with the time.

He didn't know at all.

I had protected him a little when we told him about it by saying, I remember you talking to Pax.

Percy talked to Pax, but he talked to the man crying.

He didn't know that I had talked to him about it.

So historically there was no problem.

On the other hand, I guess Henry's concerns

Is there any way we can get at this?

I mean, you can frankly hear the concept so often with him.

He's in here beating about it all the time.

And he always beats them.

He's got a little rocky road at the first time.

And I say, oh, for Christ's sake.

I kind of cheer him up by saying, look at this.

You know, he looks at this board and he says, well, now that's bringing his hands and set up the, I don't know, that's not making a bit of a call for an ally.

He charged in last night with this battle, and I popped the bullet on a couple of them because he was just raving on.

I said, wait, that was after that.

He said, yes, but they would have done it anyway or something.

He builds in his own mind.

He honestly believes it until you bring him up short.

What was this, on Hanna?

I think it was probably on that.

I don't know.

He was all cranked up with that.

Well, see, the one thing that really, he is absolutely right.

That they've maneuvered that, that they purposely blew their boy up, they purposely held up this return so that, and that they purposely did the grandstanding type of stuff, and that they purposely lost the vote.

They didn't work on Botswana land and back on Iran, because we had control of those.

because even though he could have shifted four votes, he just sat down.

He said, they did all this, you know, the State Department says the problem here is that the President gives the State Department a complete charge of this, and then they go off and screw it up.

He said, now wait a minute.

The State Department wasn't in complete charge.

Your General Haig was so deeply involved in that, every second of the day and night,

That there is no question that I, Mr. Eichelman, am going to order in and out of the president's office, track every now and then, and order every name, every name myself, and so forth, and I can go on this request, and I can go on this request, and he suggested that was just the last week.

And so when was all the work done?

So if you cannot deal with him about it, you know, he tends to forget that he's trying to make the case that it was all staying a block, and so it was a little untimed that I wrote out on a piece of paper, Success is a Thousand Fathers, and I'll tell you again, I'm always going to look at the picture.

Well, the point is, that's not bad for the fundamental point.

It's very interesting.

Correct?

Yeah, I have the time.

Uh, how about having him, uh, breaking over and having him do, I don't mean arrest him, but I mean having him do the times at this point.

Why give him the time stuff then?

Because I'm sorry, God damn David cares about him.

Yes.

He's going to the stars, so it's no, I'm not going to do that, I guess.

But, uh, God, he could give anything to the time stuff.

Now, that's such a good job of not doing it.

I know.

I'm just thinking that he may get so much better on the going down approach if he doesn't get hit.

You want to escalate the level of the battle.

You want to get on that and get Rogers charging back.

That's the problem.

God, if he goes up there, you know, I guess it doesn't do any good.

Well, the other part is, and what does this mean about the use of Henry on anything, on TV?

After, you know, we, if we want to, we want to make ourselves, might use him, but I'd use him later.

Yeah.

And also use him, use him on some small, I mean, I think we could use him after John, I think we've got to just put Henry right on the front.

And I wouldn't worry about seeing him right, yeah.

I'd just let it go.

get down now and go to work on it.

If you can make a change.

Board and front row, here's what's the thing.

What I'm concerned about is that they're currently not getting any status.

But everything we're doing now is dependent on everything else that you've now really got your linkage locked in.

And if any part of it fails, we'll win some money.

And if they don't use it, the bill doesn't really see that point.

And you can get it in a position where you can make it a little bit easier.

So I think I'm trying to barter today.

That's a good point.

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George just laughed and said, Henry, that's exactly what you said two years ago through the day.

I think that was the end of the week period or something like that.

And it is.

It's probably all the way back.

His argument is, he says, yes, that's true.

But he says the way it's been saved is by spectacular tightrope walking and dazzling displays, and that we can't, we can't just keep on doing that.

It's not his problem at all.

In fact, a little bit.

Not too much.

He isn't pushing it.

He says there's a certain...

Once he did, he has to tie that into his linkage thing.

He says China won't come in because they can't get across the pass.

He doesn't seem to worry too much about that.

I'm trying to begin looking at this big picture question.

Whether there's any point in making any effort for a major domestic initiative tied into the State of the Union or anything like that, which they're

The tendency is not to, mainly because they don't have them, other than this accident.

Other than this accident.

You haven't told her about my little plan.

It's all right, you can tell her.

Yes, you told me to tell her, but I haven't told anybody else about it.

He agrees with it, it's a perfect plan.

I'm warning you.

You said to tell John, I did tell John, you said not to tell him about us.

That's what I meant.

I didn't want to totally prove it.

I was not.

I didn't get into it.

We've got it out there.

Some people like that.

It's over.

That's right.

I almost mentioned it to John.

He said it made a lot of sense.

That also made a lot of sense.

It's great, too.

That's another thing.

You can kind of use it to recap what's already been done.

That's right.

Make a little assumption and get somebody to

but I don't deserve it.

How do you tie it in Pakistan?

He was asking Henry whether he saw any major international developments or any major changes in the international scene other than what we already know.

We know that the war question is going to be worked out in some way.

We know that China is coming.

We know that Russia is coming.

Nobody knows you're talking about that.

Oh, that's another question.

On the Latin American thing,

You might want to raise this with Rogers.

If you are going to raise Latin America, incidentally, if Ziegler didn't announce the trip, perhaps, under the day, apparently, rather than go yesterday, I thought he was going to be up there.

Ziegler, please.

If you're going to start Rogers working on that Latin American song, he's got to know about that in some way before he goes down there.

Yeah, yeah, I think when we, I don't know what the situation will be with Roberts, whether he may be able to come up and finish this today.

But we'll determine that after we finish.

There's a briefing at 11 o'clock.

Yeah.

Well, the meeting is through 9.30, but it'll last probably until 10.15.

but he will be repaired in the event of need.

That's fine.

Now, on this next trip, you can announce that today.

I see.

That's fine.

Yeah, it's about when you do that, in order to save the face of the people on the East Wing, then why don't you have them come over with you, or how could you have her come over?

Okay.

Specifically, it also would remind me that he's incredible.

Well, but he weakens it all at once.

All of a sudden, he's doing a little bit of racial pain on some of his hands.

He does weaken his case.

He weakens his case because he comes in and everything got out as a capital mess.

So they start going to hell, you know, and so forth and so on.

And also, if he doesn't do everything quite as well as he might, he, uh, you know, what I mean is, uh, he's, uh, he's, uh, he's a gentleman.

fantastic analytical mind on all of this.

He could only say one separate movement and use it.

But he's got to get off of this camera.

He went, now Bob, they didn't try to lose that vote.

I know that.

They will never convince anything.

Rogers, do you think they tried?

No, I don't think.

I know Bush did.

Well, I know Rogers didn't either.

And I can't, well, I can't concede to Rogers.

But not Rogers.

Rogers was working on his side of it.

I don't think he really feels that they could have tried to lose the book.

I think he feels that they knew that they would undoubtedly resist it.

There were ways they could have turned it around and won it.

Because it's stupidity, not willfulness.

And that they set him up as the fall guy on it by keeping it in China so that knowing they would probably lose it, they would be able to say it was his fault.

And there's probably some element of

Whether they die the following week, move the vote up, he clenched Francis' hand totally.

He needs to be acquiesced in nine sessions because he says we should not come back.

Totally agree with him.

We should not come back.

He didn't want him here when the boy got his contract arrived the day before the hotel.

Hay was the one that worked that out.

So going down there, there's no, I don't want to blame Hay because let's keep his work from the head office.

But it was determined.

I'm not, I don't buy this stuff on that guy.

I said he doesn't defend, you know, he said, well, he doesn't have the brains to figure this out or something.

He's very quick to blame someone else.

There's no question about that.

I think he has to do it.

Whatever he's made, and he doesn't make many, but he makes an error, something like that.

He'll pop off, and then he'll give it off and say it's something.

Somebody else did it.

He has a terrible compulsion.

one of those passive things.

But let me tell you,

The D-Cain vote, whether Henry was here or not, and who is responsible for going to D-Cain, doesn't amount to a goddamn in terms of the overall effect when it's done.

And I think this is a bunch of crap.

Don't you think so?

Well, yeah, plus the fact that the authentic history is so clear, the record is so clear, that there's no...

They can't do anything.

That's what happened.

It can be debarred so easily at any time.

The record is going to be extremely embarrassing.

Got a lot of the crowds to ride it the other way.

So I didn't worry about that.

But on Heather's point, though, on Roger's relationship, it really troubles me because I don't know how we can frankly get through it this year.

We meet each other all the time.

I don't know how you can.

I think it would be pretty disheartening if there were a way to do it.

Not mainly to get Henry, I hate to say it, you know, I'd put a strong man there.

But I wouldn't have, but I, you need somebody there who's an important, strong man who's in the cause rather than himself.

Bill's got his, about his questions, got the succession.

And that's...

It's pretty bad.

I don't know what it's doing.

I don't see how it's doing, but it's doing very well.

I don't think it's doing as well as it does.

It had a little spurt for a while, but I understand it's sort of dropped down to a big sum now.

But there isn't any good on television, apparently.

Is that right?

So there's just the choice is so bad that there are frankly no good new shows this season.

Concentrate.

I want to soak some stuff in such an horrendous rate that there just isn't that much good stuff available.

There's so much.

That there isn't that much good stuff available.

The world doesn't create that much good stuff.

I want you to keep walking out of the business.

Right.

But Pat Flanagan's giving, giving a really cold, dirty assessment as to whether or not the best way to destroy the networks is not to let people go to the TV with you.

You know, they're so upset about it.

I'm inclined to think that maybe we're holding off there for the wrong reasons.

And maybe that's one service we can bring here.

We would be struggling, but we've got a great weekend.

We're going to do shows, and we're going to do shows.

You're supposed to have a cable TV.

You've got to have the service for that news show.

You've got to go way down.

You've got to do two-minute movies.

I hope.

Well, you have to set the opportunity up for an independent network.

Well, there's no reason why there couldn't be a new service organization like the Package is a New Show that the cable TV people could buy.

And that may be the chance to get where we keep coming back.

This is just obsessional.

If they only quote beers for us to buy an animal, for us to get some of our money to buy an animal.

But there may be another way to do it, which is for us to put together a news-producing organization that sells its product to cable television.

Another new book out called The Left-Leaning Antennas.

Oh, what is it?

It's another glass of stuff.

Oh, yeah.

There you go.

That word bias thing.

Well, let's have Flanagan make that study.

And also with Flanagan, if you would, there's two candidates that have occurred to be able to regard him as a NATO man.

I mean, with the recommendations and stuff.

One is Manny Sprague.

Manny Sprague.

There's a text story about Japan, but I want you to find one.

But then he's talking about NATO.

Well, either one of them are.

Or how about Japan?

Well, he also talked about Japan.

Yeah.

And man is brave to do the old tech startup to do Japan.

And I think that is the best, is the better of the two deals, if it worked out.

He thinks that Thornton is not going to take either one.

He's going to come out and say he has to stay with it.

Or he's probably going to figure it must be a little bit easier, putting the risk at that time.

I'm sure he's starting to rule out there.

Man is brave to do it.

He might be more interested in Japan than in NATO, but he asks for Japan.

It's a great thing.

The Spanish break in the NATO security.

He'd run a cable TV down an old turret.

I just wanted to take a harder look at the thing.

Now, I want to talk to somebody about the economic thing.

Who is the best man to talk about it?

I mean, Schultz, I talk to Schultz.

I, of course, talk to Colson, who's regarded as a special deal, who kind of works out of the pit centers.

But who really is in charge of that?

Who knows?

Is Weber the best man to talk to out of the way of Fay Boyd or Schultz?

What do you say?

Well, on knowing all of what's exactly the situation at the moment, Rumsfeld is.

True.

I know that.

I know that it's just a pity to make the price division, and that it's probably only one narrow problem.

What does labor have to do with regard to the retroactive wage increases?

That will break the whole goddamn payboard open.

See, now, Rumsfeld does not know that subject specifically, because he has no one to pay for it.

I need somebody that's a labor expert.

Hodgson is not strong enough.

He doesn't know what the hell there is in their minds.

How about Schultz?

Schultz and Weber?

Schultz is going to be there, of course, but Schultz is close to the labor guys, I think.

Weber?

Weber has apparently that brain.

He thinks this is going to be a good chairman.

He's really busting his ass to try to get anything right.

Yeah, he's kind of working on it.

He doesn't know anything.

Right?

Right.

I think it may, Weber may be the guy to deal with.

He's the toughest guy out there.

Tougher than all this fire.

Weber's going to, Charles said Weber's building up to where he's about to take a sling labor at some point.

And he's the one guy who's tough enough to do it.

And he just keeps taking the negative role.

Webber, at some point, is ready to take it on.

I would guess Webber is the best.

And he's the one guy who's the most sophisticated.

You know, there's a whole background to put a whole thing together.

Very good.

We'll be back in a minute.