Nixon, Ehrlichman & Kissinger on Government Reorganization

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I didn't dare broach that in here, but I've got a working hypothesis on it that I'd better track.

Supposedly.

That kind of will, you know, gas it out.

Great.

No loss.

And also, I'm not so sure, I'm not so sure that this means all that, that you might not be, you might really consider the counselor.

Well.

That just might be an out.

We've got a half a dozen of these.

This is all trading stock.

And Arnie Weber negotiated all this stuff, and he deliberately held us back.

And it can be done.

It can be done.

But supposing we were to get you new to the Secretary of Agriculture, and supposing you take him out to the press with Cliff Harden, and you announce it, and then he takes questions, and they say, well, Mr. Secretary, how do you feel about this reorganization?

And he says, I've had a talk with the President about that, and one of the conditions of my taking this job is the President's assurance that for the time being,

the Department of Agriculture will be dropped out of the reorganization plan.

One, you defuse the issue.

Two, you make a hero out of this guy going in with those farmers who care about this, the professional farmers.

And until we are able to, and at this time, until we are able to work out and bring an arrangement that is satisfactory to the major farm organizations, that the Department of Agriculture will be dropped off.

He then becomes sort of a hero on this score.

He immediately becomes their advocate in terms of reorganization.

And I think we put him in a position and the broker a deal later on.

And that doesn't say we can't take some of these things out of the sewers and waters and that sort of stuff.

We can take sewer and water and some of that stuff out.

We're not going to get, we're not going to get, well, at least not in this term.

No, no.

No.

So therefore, if you're doing it, you're doing it like you're coming back.

But we can still take Stuart Waterston.

So that I'll look at.

Absolutely.

And I, as a confusion, have asked the President of the Secretary of the Department of Education to look at it.

All right.

That's good.

Well, that's not all the other questions.

So regard to the...

With regard to the overall solution in the end, these, you know, these guys that we talk about, whether they're being called administrators or secretaries, it is a real thing.

I mean, the title of that doesn't mean a hell of a lot.

And I think the reason why you couldn't show the titles around, I'm not sure that, uh, that by the American system, we can't get a title all of our own.

Why should it be Secretary of State?

Secretary of State.

You know?

The present foreign affairs.

Interestingly enough, that is one translation of secretary when you go abroad in the French vernacular.

Conseil, and so you see the word secretary, it doesn't mean a hell of a lot to most of us, does it?

Well, I can have these fellows do some more work on that.

Well, you have the attorney general.

That's out of favor.

You have the postmaster general.

if you had some distinctive title for the Secretary of State, call it Legion Secretary.

Or you could call him something else with the word foreign or something of that sort.

And so they just set him aside and called him the Minister.

Minister of Foreign Affairs or Foreign Minister or Foreign Counselor or Counselor, I don't know.

But anyway, set him aside with a unique title.

And then call all the others

Well, I agree with you.

It's actually the Foreign Affairs Department that did it wrong, and the Defense Department, and the Senate Secretary, and the Senate Secretary of the Army.

That was wrong, and I agree with you.

And I think that that's a pretty good point.

You ought to change the top of trouble's name.

You agree with that?

With the top of trouble's name.

Well, he should be the same as the head of this department of community development.

All right.

And then he has three secretaries.

This fellow has four secretaries.

And then you have a secretary of transportation and a secretary of...

Mr. Councilor, Councilor for the President's Union for Community Development, Secretary, I think you can name him, Councilor for the President, or Secretary of Transportation, Secretary of the University, if that's what's the matter, it's a little far.

Oh, he just needs to get up.

So I think it's just so mean that the way to turn Volpe on this is to tell him he's going to be ambassador to Italy.

Now, maybe you've known that he's been

And he's probably had the hots of that for a long time.

But he says that's really a hang-up.

And the boys in transportation have passed the word to Dwight that this is the price that they'll be wheeling to the highway owners.

I don't know how good that is.

We could get it past the, I don't know, the Italian elections are already.

Frankly, John, he wouldn't be a good ambassador, he isn't.

He did.

The advantage of politics is that the difficulty is no, it's more than that.

It's like the Puerto Rican bridge is not respected.

No.

Yeah.

By an army team.

Yeah.

Frankly, even the Italians look with contempt on these wops.

And that's true.

They really do.

Yeah.

John Colby, if you can't tell him this from the method, he makes a goddamn fool of himself when he goes to get what he really does.

I mean, they are, the Italians are, you know, the Colombo and all these others are rather aristocratic and, you know, a proud group.

And the Roman goes in like a horrible politician.

I say, you know, it's, we thought it over.

I thought it over.

I, Roger says he'll do it.

I mean, we can do it.

I mean, it's, maybe it's all right.

Maybe we send him anyway.

He worked his butt off.

He loved it.

And this guy's going to carry an election.

Well, that's the thought.

I was wondering what I was going to ask you about, which is not this.

Let me say, I like the idea of councilor to the president.

We're trying to work something out.

The announcement of the president for those three departments, the secretary of state would remain.

The announcement of the president, I think you can call it the secretary of state.

The secretary of state.

the councilor or the president for, before or for, for an actual offense, I think has to be changed to have a secretary at the end of the seat.

And, uh, and call them secretaries.

Secretary of this and that and the other thing.

I mean, what the hell is, you see, because the secretary of state is so above any other secretary, you know, there's no, there's never any question at the end of the seat.

You don't have any problem.

The other secretary is the state secretary.

The state department is unique.

But the other thing that could easily lose the council attorney, I don't think there's any split at all.

And then call the administrator secretaries.

Not to run the goddamn secretaries, they run operators.

And each other the goddamn cavalry.

That's what they want.

I mean, it's basic, you know that.

That's mean a lot to people, you know, the kind of a car you drive.

Well, yeah, we spent an hour with this young fellow yesterday, and Haruska would be the key getting him

And I don't know of anything to do except for Mitchell or me or somebody to go talk to him about it.

Do we think he's a good man for it?

He's very impressive.

Very impressive guy.

And young.

He's not more than 40 or 41.

He's in fact with Curtis.

Curtis is very good friends.

Well, unfortunately, Curtis's wife has died, and Curtis is a broken man.

He's just in terrible shape, according to what they said.

Bryce is talking to us.

Can you put him down for a while?

I'm getting him to see me.

All right.

I just want him to see me.

I know he's...

I just want him to calm down.

All right.

Just stay low.

All right.

And that's a very good thought.

And you could broach this, as a matter of fact, with Curtis as a generation in the next couple of days.

But Earl Butts is coming in.

tonight and we'll look him over.

He's a classy guy.

But this guy, absent any other alternatives, he's smart, he's well spoken, he makes good appearance.

He's running a very sizable branch of the department over there now, probably his biggest hud.

And he is a dirt farmer.

He's got wheat and corn,

and sorghum and cattle.

And he's in business.

He goes home weekends and runs his farm.

So he answers those kinds of special occasions.

He's ambitious.

No, I don't.

He's writing out this Princeton thing.

Well, it's...

for reasons that are not clear to me.

They did not unload on him.

They unloaded on the Bureau.

There was some, and yet it was fairly balanced.

And then for some reason, Joe Kraft wrote an apologetic for the whole thing this morning, in which he said that the Bureau had written it out pretty well.

And something's going on that I don't understand.

Maybe they think they're going to, maybe they're laying in the bushes waiting to get it later.

Either that or what they've done is to lay a credible, factual foundation for an assault on the FBI and the Congress.

They certainly have.

It is the worst collection of fashions on the website.

There's no question about it.

But generally speaking, it was restrained.

The presentation was restrained.

And I don't know why, but that doesn't solve your problem on the right.

And I think it's just .

It just has to be a yellow flag.

But I am convinced that Hoover could leave in January, announce it in January, on his birthday or something like that.

I think that the way to do it is for me not to raise it now when he's under attack.

We do agree.

I agree with that.

I think what I thought, maybe in December, when he's not under attack, after he's ridden it out,

But in the meantime, if you could get this false Solomon to lay off them and say, look, for God's sake, don't tell anybody, but let us handle this thing, could you do that?

We've got plans for something.

I have asked him, for example, do you want to be a judge?

I would tell him the president wants to know.

Now, we, you know what I mean, that's, I mean, he's not saying anything, or we'd be interested in another decision.

an ambassadorial person, race, and things like that.

Now that, of course, he will know very well, and he can never do it.

Although he has not heard of a re-entrance.

And he's apparently dribbled some stuff around.

He's, I think, been responsible for that.

But my point is, let's get a little of that.

Now, with regard to Hoover, John, my thought is, if you think about it,

I haven't even raised it, but mentioned it, because I don't want to get this screwed up.

And I get in, and after I feel that this thing's cool with it, and I get him in, and I say, all right, now I'm dirty.

Let's talk about this.

I want to talk about it when I'm coming into the election year and so forth.

And I think we've got to see what's going to happen after the election.

If I lose, you will be forced to return.

That would be terribly sweet.

So I will resign.

Of course, I said, no, you, Richard, it won't be.

It will be an issue.

So then the other hand, you can't stay in forever anyway.

I can say that I win.

Of course, I don't want you to stay in.

But actually, you will win.

That's hard.

Well, I wonder if it is this, that even if you win, if he is a next game, there will be so much battle back that you might not be able to keep him.

That's right.

We don't want the hero to end.

I think that under the circumstances that we can pull the teeth of all of them.

And I said, Edgar, I said, I thought about the call.

The way I started the conversation is this.

She might have made a note of this and sent it in to me, but I haven't talked to her because I think I've seen the clarity of it now.

I started the conversation, after I'd been thinking about this, you've been under attack, and she noticed I stood through you all the way and just said, if you ever became political, I'd know that you would resign.

I said, I thought it through, and I didn't do it.

And she must say, through the election.

this year.

I say that because I don't have anybody to replace you with.

And even if I did, there would be a hell of a lot of confirmation that Vera would be hurting.

And so I would like to ask you to stay.

I do hope it would actually have to be considered, you know, to take the cure out of this man.

So if no political campaign, you know, that you could indicate now, that you would serve one more year, and again, submit yourself to wherever it's meant for us in the United States, you're lucky to receive it.

All right, boss, okay.

I just thought I'd go somewhere, sir.

Yeah.

What's up?

Yeah.

Yeah, all right, okay.

Hiya.

Hope you didn't bother.

Okay.

best way to do it i said i gotta say the problem with transition is always going to come and then that'll give us a year to build up a man and for you to build them and for you to fix it and a little child's body and then we go out and work like hell to win the election but also i would say this that that would help with the election because it would make the next director of the fbi an issue

And whoever the Democrats are, unless it's Jackson, they're going to put a left winger in that job, and they know damn well that I'll put in whatever you recommend.

And that's the way I would handle the issue.

How does that sound to you as a game changer?

I think he'd buy that.

I mean, I think if he doesn't buy that, then the man is mad.

Yeah.

We cannot agree to that.

I frankly think I should put it to him, basically.

I think so too.

I was going to say, I'm not so sure about what you should go a little stronger than that.

with all of Mitchell's problems and the management problems and everything in mind and say that you've given this a lot of thought since your last conversation.

It's not something that you likely arrive at because you're a long time, but that you really think this is in your mutual best interest.

And just to put that on top of this.

Now, the other thing I was trying to mention to you, what have we done now about servicing the, what is our latest plan about the Pentagon paper situation?

We decided this would be a pretty good time now that the election is over.

Yes, we're causing some stuff to be inserted in the press around.

The tower is going to help us with some of it.

Some of it, the Harriman thing, is not going to be feasible to do in the judgment without it flopping over onto a lot of other people.

We cannot pick Harriman out as a target.

He was about number two or three down the list.

You mean with regard to murder?

Yep.

So that becomes a timing problem when everybody feels that we can go ahead and regardless of consequences and involve men and involve Hilsman and involve Rusk and involve McNamara and all these other people, we're ready to go and we've got a big bag full.

Yes, sir.

Oh, no question.

In fact, they have signed the cables.

Well, that give Lodge very clear instructions.

Lodge also is just in this right up to his ears to foster the coup, to do whatever is necessary to change stuff.

Just about those words.

And the murder result?

Yeah, actually, see, there was an aborted coup.

And then there was the coup where he was murdered.

And the other fellow took his place.

And then, of course, he was deposed.

And this bunch was actively involved in every step of the way.

Lodge manipulated this thing with cold-blooded enthusiasm.

Very interesting.

And he wheeled the deal over there.

He replaced the CIA guy, got in a new one, and he really, really wheeled it.

He was the predominant leading hawk.

The State Department was a strong ally.

The Defense Department dragged their feet.

They were not for the coup.

The CIA, I don't know, these are their papers.

Well, if you read their papers, they didn't like it too well.

That's the way we protect them.

I imagine, well, who was in there at the time?

No, McCone was.

Yeah.

Now, there is a guy around that I'm going to have lunch with.

You probably know Colby.

Ambassador Colby, who was out in Vietnam in search of AID.

Well.

What was that son?

Post-prison.

This fellow was the number three ambassador out there, and he was in charge of the AAF.

Well, he's an agency operator.

Very high ranking in the CIA.

Well, he is good.

I spent quite a bit of time with him out there.

George went one way and I went another, and I ended up with Colby.

And he's a very slick operator.

Now, he was in this thing right up to his ears because he was in charge of their Far Eastern desk, or whatever you call it, and knows an awful lot about what went on.

And I'm going to get him over.

He is now pending assignment.

He's been brought back from Vietnam, and he's at the agency, and he's just sitting at a desk waiting to be assigned.

So I'm going to use his inactivity to visit with him some on the basis of our brief acquaintance.

and just see what his attitudes are, and see if I can get him out on this at all.

He'd probably end up picking my pocket, but I think it's worth a try.

I would tell him that, you know, the injury is quite clear.

Somebody was just sitting there and there was a troll over here.

We have to know this because it's going to obviously be an issue.

Because of all these papers that you've got here all over town and so forth.

Yeah.

And my interest is in protecting the CIA.

I just put it that way.

Because I don't believe that anybody should get a bad rap that didn't make the decision they were going to carry out.

All right.

That issue is not an opportunity.

It's not a...

Yeah, they're not ideologues, they're biomarkers.

On Hoover, I think I've turned Mitchell off.

He called me the other day and said, what's going on?

I said, you've decided that, in view of the Chinese problem, that you are not in a position to move now.

He said, fine, he understood and agreed with that.

So, uh, I don't think, uh, you need to, uh, spend much time with him on it.

Do you think on Secretary of Agriculture that we are probably overlooking our best bet at not going for Carl?

Somebody was calling me that the other day, and it's really coming down toward his decision.

No question.

I would feel the same.

I would feel awful good about seeing him in the camera.

He's a superb operator.

I don't think he'll take it.

That's just a hunch.

It's what Whitaker feels.

He has talked to Bryce at length about this, but it's easy for Bryce to turn John down.

It's not very easy for him to turn you down.

It would kind of cap his career.

I think we may have a good solution there.

Why not change this name to Secretary of State?

Councilor to the President for Defense.

Councilor to the President for Urban Development.

Councilor to the President for that.

And then under that, Secretary of the Air Force.

Secretary for Agriculture.

Correct.

Yep.

That's what's going on.

Maybe that is the solution.

Maybe we don't have to go so far as to... Maybe we don't have to go so far as to have our guys say we're going to hate agriculture.

Well, I don't know.

It just kind of appeals to me that he doesn't announce it around the country and say, I'm the guy that saved it so you wouldn't change these things a little bit later.

That's right.

Then we don't, we won't give this to Bowlby.

We don't need to give it to him.

God damn him.

Bowlby oughta be pushing this, but he isn't, I'm sure.

Rahm nailed that law.

Rahm actually, it was too bad he wasn't in this, because it was basically for him.

Well, I know that.

Rahm is, got his own decency.

We'll have, we'll have a separate get-together for him.

Yeah, I must say.

They'll get on it as a daily program.

with a contact one time or another on some subject.

And so I ask him to just give you a brief feel for what he does there.

And you'll see that he's already coming here to message us.

I think it falls in place very nicely.

I've had an interesting reaction.

George, basically, was quite negative on it.

When I first approached him with it, he came in day before yesterday and said, well, he said, I thought this through now.

He said, I think we have to do it, and I think we should do it.

He said, I think we gained an awful lot from doing it.

Which one?

The two-and-a-half.

The no-state tax.

Oh, well, what happened?

I still think we have to give you that 4% option.

And then I personally think it's 4%.

Do you think it's that much harder than two and a half?

I don't think so.

I think you put her up for it.

And I'm not persuaded he can get you in the house.

That'd be disgusting.

That's why I say I think on this and on the other stuff in the domestic package, you know, at the end of the day, what brought him around was that he, John, that we ought to have politics.

Well, what his reasons are, I'm sorry, political.

I don't think he's going to need a major, he thinks he needs a major domestic initiative.

Just hear it, why don't you?

Like I said, sit down and hear it, why don't you?

I'm sorry, I can't hear you.

That's why you didn't register, and that's why we didn't fire, and that's why we didn't reorganize, and now we have a small motion.

To prove that we're doing something, even though they don't pass it off, they don't think.

You've got to be emotionally hard frustrated with your system.

Sure is.

I'd love to try this like Johnson did with two houses of the Congress on our side.

Or the Kennedy had two houses.

Or the Hughes-Caulson.

He had two houses, three and two.

He had to get them to the same council for two to one, basically.

Oh, it's just a result of that plan slogging.

These guys were...

It was very bad.

Very bad.

It was very bad.

I didn't think it would be as good for us, although it would be, but we were right in the thing.

That was the thing.

Yeah.

We were right in the thing.

I'm on the signal room.

Needs to see you.

All right.

You may just get started.

Anyway, what... Well, as a matter of fact, I'm going to go ahead on speculation.

and have the final technical work done on this.

We're doing this all out of town, up in Michigan.

Did you read that article that I marked in the newspaper?

You know what I mean?

That he was calling on Ellsberg and so forth and so on and so on.

No.

That today's, oh, some time back?

I need to read it.

Oh.

by the CIA Psychiatrist.

when he goes home?

Oh, no.

They do a profile from all the available information in the file.

Now, the other thing, John, I'll ask you about.

Also, I reached a conclusion we've got to go the other way.

Well, now, you may not have to.

Now, you know our billion and a half is up on Wednesday for a vote.

It'll lose.

Well, I'm not so sure because it's going to go with a busing amendment on it.

See, it lost yesterday without it.

Oh, I see.

Without it.

Yes.

voting against it, and you've got all kinds of people voting against it.

Now we put our busing amendment on.

It is.

It will be up before the House.

So as an amendment, will the busing amendment be up as an amendment?

Yes.

For an up or down vote.

A record vote.

And it'd be a damn good.

Well, Democrats are running like crazy to get away from it, but it's going to be.

Well, they've been busy.

They tried to do it with this no-amendment closed rule yesterday.

Right.

They took a two-thirds vote for a suspension of the rules and all that sort of stuff.

So it'll be an amendment on the higher education bill.

That's the way we're doing it.

We're supporting that.

Very much so.

And it's being carried in the media as your amendment, your anti-busing amendment.

Well, we get an up or down vote.

Then we see after that whether we need some further identification with you of the anti-busing position.

But as of this week, I think you're getting a lot of copy and a lot of attention as demanding an anti-busing amendment to this billion and a half.

That's only for the billion and a half.

I don't think the issue is going to be around.

Okay.

Well, okay.

Now, Ed Morgan is working very diligently on this.

He's got a working group going.

They're coming up with all kinds.

They're going to have a whole shopping basket of things.

Well, constitutional amendment, legislative alternatives, all kinds of stuff.

Discharge petitions.

They've got a whole constellation of stuff that they'll bring in and you can pick and choose.

Each one designed to identify you with that side of the issue.

Have you had a chance to see our poll, our Harris poll?

We had domestic counsel .

No, no.

Oh, yeah, that's in there, too.

So, I mean, the numbers on busing and the hierarchy of issues and all that sort of stuff.

Busing is a...

is a sure and long-sighted issue.

It was murdered in 1910.

So that's unbelievable.

My point is, though, that I think I would like to have yours one where, even though it bends to my constitutional principles, I'd rather have it on that issue right there to fight about it like all the lawyers and the rest and the libs.

So you know that why do we amend the Constitution?

I'm not saying how they are.

And end up with Muskies and the Humphreys and the Kennedys

And I think Jackson's all come out against it.

I understand.

I just don't quite know.

Here we are now with this billion and a half.

That'll buy me a little time.

And Morgan will be in with this other stuff.

A footnote for that, Phil Hart in Michigan is the subject of a recall petition because of his stand on busing.

At 200,000 signatures, they need 540,000 to get him on the ballot.

Oh, did you destroy that big picture?

You want to recall them?

Yep.

I've never heard a response from a United States Senator before.

They did get backfired on that son of a bitch church.

Oh, I remember that.

For sure.

That's the Californians.

Yeah, the right wing.

And this is the wrong time to do it.

But they might recall.

They'll get rid of them now.

Well, it helps Christmas.

A congressman is a congressman.

Because he's very...

These are Democrats signing that petition.

This, this, this, this issue, I know, I know, I know.

As a matter of fact, even among Negroes, it's happening.

That's right.

It's 55-45.

I know, yeah.

Against, against busing.

That's right.

I mean, this issue cuts home.

I mean, their kids don't, their parents don't want their kids riding those goddamn buses.

Yeah.

And it's... And they also don't...

And I don't think, I don't think, well, much as I'd like to believe, my name is right over here, Paul Barnes on top.

Remember that nice outfit he's going to have?

God damn it, it will not work.

It will not work.

I mean, we like to say it will work in small doses, let me put it this way, as the Negro or any other group

white or black, moves up economically in the social group, even moves into the community, and so forth.

But, uh, damage, you cannot fix oil and water.

You cannot take people that have, that have basically backgrounds that are true to their profession, and move them to other districts.

The universities, if I was to have them, they have all the time.

The universities can't keep up with the good.

That's it.

Therefore, they're starting black studies, and therefore, they're winding up with segregated universities.

Because the blacks asked for it.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, the University of Washington of Seattle has a quotient deal where they let blacks in without the necessary standards.

He'd been excluded from law school.

He had a very good academic record.

He said that they had admitted blacks without such a good academic record ahead of him, and he'd been discriminated against on account of his color, because they'd given his place in the law school to these less qualified guys.

The judge, by now, had ordered him admitted to the law school.

Oh, man.

I'm not going to have a job.

I'm going to have to keep him twice.

or ask you to fill me in.

Do you know about the poor air species that's still experiencing the rest of the year?

You're in on it.

McGregor mentioned to me that Ford had come to ask you to do something on Vietnam.

Well, that's what I said.

What?

That if you haven't done something on the draw?

Yeah.

That if you set a deadline and pull the deed, according to McGregor.

Yeah.

Well, I don't know what he did.

He probably, I mean, I don't know why he didn't.

I personally prefer that they have a little talk with Ford in advance.

Indicated a problem on that, but, uh, Ford, of course, we have to work this panel.

We've got to be very eloquent with these people.

I'll let you know.

I don't mind taking it on.

We have to remember that Ford parents are our friends all the way.

And here's what they're going to do.

They will come in and tell us

before they tell you you shouldn't have to be the one to do this

Oh, I didn't know the meeting was about this.

But I'm not doing, I thought the meeting, well, it is, I can tell this.

I thought the meeting was about, was going to be about the, it's going to have four or eight things.

And that was why I agreed to hold and brought it in.

And then when I see this on here, I'm not, it's really, you see, I thought that, and Phil, and I guess the reason I told him is that I read this and said he wanted to talk about Vietnam.

Well, but I,

Uh, I mentioned it to McGregor when I saw it on my schedule.

This is how I found out about it, and I asked whether it would be important for me to say that.

But I could sort of explain the situation to them a little bit, and then you would try to back it up rather than... About where we are.

Where we are, and then...

We're going for the second flight.

I don't think you can do it.

No, we can do it.

We can do it.

Oh, but I said we can't do it now because we are still trying to get everything set up.

Yeah.

But there are some indications that are always beginning to have second thoughts.

And we can mention the foreign minister's article that's in the public press.

No.

I was just saying.

We can't fight it.

We tried that once when he was present, and he went off and said the aggressive negotiation.

I think we'll forward it there, and we'll say, now there's something going on at this time, and it could be some considerable success.

Well, I said that much.

I mean, we could test a little less.

All right.

What would you say?

to go for the big fly.

And we've got to keep our accents together until we've got it.

Well, I see what they're saying.

They're just going to come in and tell me the obvious, that boy, it's getting awful tough in the house to hold this.

We've got to save this one, Christ Almighty.

It's an unbelievable situation, because I don't believe there is so much public safety.

Well, it is a question of public safety.

The house, the boat was off the coast last night, so they're making those.

If I had a headlight, I'd have to come in.

I'm afraid I would never come in, or anybody, which I'll be that.

Of course, I ain't going in.

I ain't, I ain't.

The, uh...

Okay, okay.

We'll get you locked down.

Okay.

You gotta be locked down.

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