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I'm trying to catch you, but I have discovered just now that we have a problem in this Chicago state, which is completely our fault, and I don't see any way out of solving it now, which is that we have at the same hotel, at the same time you're going into the 4-H meeting, the National Association of Farm Editors, which is 120, and I saw both Dr. Deere and Dr. Davis, that brought us some over.

The 50 state chairmen of the American Farm Bureau are there for their planning session for the Farm Bureau Convention next week, which we turned down.

I think that you've got to not ignore them.

They're all in the Hilton Hotel.

And the thing to do is, after the 4-H speech, that we do a handshaker with each of those.

It's a hundred...

About 120 people in the editor's thing and 50 people plus some staff in the Farm Bureau thing.

I don't... Whitaker apparently had known this in quite a few posts.

I don't know.

He didn't know about the Farm Bureau.

He just got a call last night from Roger Blum saying they were going to be there.

Well, that's different.

We wouldn't do that anyway.

What?

The way...

Around it is to shake hands and not say anything.

And for the Farm Bureau people to take a picture with each other, which will give them a local picture back, which is a good thing for us to have anyway.

How many trees should we shake hands with?

About 50 Farm Bureau and 100 to 120 of the other centers.

Every second of all the other ones?

No, it's got to be two different things.

You can't put them both in the...

They're there at different roads.

They would be dropped by there and they would just let them come by and shake hands.

I wouldn't do pictures with the editors.

Just be gone, just a handshaker.

Just let them go by and shake hands.

Just say, I heard you were here, and I just wanted to come over and wish you luck in your meeting.

Let them run by.

They know, and apparently they have it set up, they're going to hear your other speech.

The 4-H speech, because they know it's not a foreign speech.

It's not a bad day out here, something that's not fine.

There haven't been any questions, things that go through there.

I'm sorry.

I mean, you can't, we can't, Bob, do, make any decision because of Senator.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, and in the case of the, what I heard, he's basically an awful lot of stuff, but he isn't really, I thought, how wrong, when it comes to being bucked down, and getting everything done, he really isn't.

It's at least recognizing this.

It gets us out of the question of... Well, I'm not going to speak to them, that's for sure.

There's going to be no speech to them, because I don't know anything right now to say.

That's the recommendation that you not speak to them.

I told them to make up a page of remarks for each of the groups.

In case you do, you'll have to cut that out and say something, because then it can't go around.

Yes, ma'am.

Why do you think we're not putting this behind?

That's because...

just a few minutes and then I'll present it and I think the outcome ought to be either to say nothing but to indicate that we ought to push the end we ought not to come up with a position of the MP of our meeting, we ought to make our allies work through the various options or we're going to be in a never never land of figuring out in which we'll get blamed for whatever things

We propose the only thing we could agree on now is a percentage cut which all our studies show is the worst.

You won't get any opposition on that.

I just want, on the European Security Conference, to delay as long as possible.

Now, Bill thinks we can have preparatory meetings with the Russians.

I guarantee you, if there are preparatory meetings, the Russians will agree to everything, and we'll be in a major European Security Conference before the summer, because the issues are so vague,

I think the way to string it out is to say first the Berlin things have to be agreed on, then there should be a western deputy foreign minister's meeting to get the western position straight, and then by that time there'll be a summit time.

Let it come out of the summit if it's got to be.

Let the exploratory talks come out of the summit.

Exploratory talks for Russia.

He is willing to play with that.

He thinks he can delay the exploratory talks, but that's what he thought of the Middle East.

There hasn't been, you can delay exploratory talks only if you have concrete issues, but the European Security Conference deals with trade and culture and so forth, and is so vague.

The second is he wants to see you afterwards for a few minutes, and you've agreed to that on Golden Mayhem.

Their proposal to you is one that's all right.

It was already in the Los Angeles Times to agree to the plans in principle and to have Cisco and Raffi work out the details.

The tragedy is that they're caving now, because it'd be much better for our strategy if they'd hunt down, so that we could get the Russian thing started, but you can't tell him to be, not to cave.

I mean, if you're going to do it, go in that direction anyway.

You might urge them that we should ask them to be flexible in negotiations, that this has to be their side of the bargain.

Because if we don't say anything about negotiations, they won't let us do anything prior to the summit.

And then the heat will be off them completely.

For where he was too tough before, I'm afraid they're now getting much too soft on them.

And above all, you should be the one who settles it with her, not they at their luncheon.

I made a mistake.

We shouldn't have agreed to a lunch for them before you saw her.

The archer is giving a lunch for her before she sees you.

And I'm seeing her today informally to work out the agenda so I can set the things straight.

She isn't our problem anyway, because she knows where the earthrunners are concerned to pull their guns.

For those on the issue, that's not the point.

And so, the achievement would be to answer me, not the general of this country, or to go very fast.

I don't care, because I don't know where she comes from.

Well, I guess that's all you can do if you can't get away with it.

We can get away with it unless we're working on it.

At this point, it's the best of abandonment.

Bottom-up alternatives, and it's a good description.

We should not be in this kind of position.

Why did we agree to do it?

I mean, can't we just go and not go to meetings?

Or, weren't they told before?

Didn't they ask before?

I know, see, that's the problem.

One of those things where we get all that checked out, all of the ground set ahead of time.

A burger!

Sir, the smile is an enigmatic smile, but he says there's no problem.

He says give him 24 hours, and there will be a tax bill written the way you want it.

He says you're going to have a tax bill that you will sign.

There will not be a check-off thing, and they've already got the, all the equations they already have.

That was to be expected, though.

Yes, because they wanted to track him.

They wanted to track him.

They wanted to mess around and attack him.

The check-out was horrible stuff.

He says he's going to get it out.

What's the communication?

Where are you going to get the vote?

No, not really.

He's maneuvering.

He's got Mills, apparently, moving into an awkward position.

They're playing an awful lot of things.

They're putting enormous pressure on him through the...

lokal support thing, the most effective of which is the auto dealers, because they've got them scared to death, and if they leave the checkoff in, there's more pressure there than I thought, because about half the auto dealers have given the customer

The tax refund already.

And then held the voucher themselves so that they have to collect from the government rather than their customers.

And about half the automobile dealers in the country will go broke if they don't get the money.

They'll go broke and drop it in the bank.

We can't follow that up with not doing that.

So, I have a suggestion.

Get her out of the way.

Well, we're working the other side of it, getting a little bit of bias that Kevin Phillips' thesis, which you may have seen, which is a deliberative step, that really comes out of this book clearly and bluntly to one of the best.

And what this is, is the labor-reducing control action, because it really does.

It equalizes all other contributions and gives labor the stick to control presidential elections.

Because it doesn't control them at all.

Because it doesn't control them.

So the difference in money in an election will be the labor market.

They tried a labor market.

They tried a way of maneuvering that one way that didn't work.

And getting publicity.

That's the problem.

They can't.

So we'll be looking at the cons here with Chekhov in an election region.

Yes.

Now becoming stronger.

Yes.

I don't think we're going to get salt made because of the fact they cleaned up the other part.

No, they're going the other way.

We need to make the case stronger.

Because there is no public casemate really going to check off, and it's hard to make one because the public doesn't know what you're talking about.

I don't think the public's all stirred up about the check on either way.

I don't either.

You?

No.

I think if you could make it clear to them, most of them are against Anderson's group, all the idea that we voiced it off.

Well, that they're launching as a positive alternative kind of thing, so we aren't just in a position to be against helping.

Well, it is sad.

Good.

But he's very, Clark's very, this is amazing, because he has been worried about it.

He's shifted his worry now.

He's worried about the foreign aid, OEO appropriation, because Hellinger has served notice that he's leaving for Africa next Wednesday, no matter what happens or doesn't.

That'll be the end of it.

And they don't think, they think they now have a problem even with the continuum resolution.

Although the House is going to move to a point of appropriation, apparently.

Dump that out of the Senate and see what happens.

When the bus comes up today, the vote will be at 1 o'clock tomorrow.

They start the... That's great.

It's on your head.

Art Fletcher, do you know about that?

He's resigning from the United Nations delegation.

to accept the post as head of the United Negro College Fund.

Most things are just going down the drain.

That's a big thing in the black field, though, and he feels that he could be more helpful to you out there than he can in here.

And he's asked to retain his post as chairman of the Domestic Council Committee on Discrimination or whatever it is.

He's written, send you a nice letter, go write one back.

It's a very friendly move, and he feels it's a big opportunity for him.

Those columns, if you agree, will come to the back, so they can survive.

The white columns are the ones that survive.

The right column is for him.

I don't know.

They've got the other problem.

If any faculty member they get who's any good at all, the white colleges snap up.

Because the white colleges want house blacks.

So they take any black with any talent.

They hire at wages that black colleges can't pay.

So they have an automatic mediocrity level there.

These congressional people that are coming in here, you'll have to look back and have our opinion.

And if you're going to get this true, it's an hour.

You can't do it.

It's an hour and a half.

Okay.

Boy, we really got it.

Thank you.

Thank you, Father.

What happened, sir?

Tell everybody the rest of the day.

They don't see anything here.

There we go.

Status, please.

Just so you know, Billy Graham is not making that trip to Taiwan.

The more he got into it, the more he felt he was being used.

And it was better for him not to go.

He was already with us.

It was hard to give it up to him.

It could be helpful, but not if he didn't want to do it.

It has to be let off the hook.

It was close.

Right.