Nixon, Cevey & Pontier on Birthday celebration and PRC trip

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If you were, as if you were trying to start at the beginning, you know, recognizing that there are practical problems that you can unveil and go this far, but that if you had your choice, you might want to go in another direction.

Don't, don't think you'll do that.

See what I mean?

I want the life of your commission to consider that sort of thing.

We need to look down the road and see what the courts are going to do and what the trends are going to be in our world.

How do we meet this problem?

And if it can't be met out of the revenue system, just be present and say so.

If it can't be, say so.

That's what I think we need to hear from you.

Well, we will do that.

But I'm very confused as to the obligation to consider what storage of additional tax funds might be taxed.

I just don't believe that this is something that we are going to have to advise them about.

I think it's the kind of thing that we have to go beyond.

I would suggest that the ACI arms president really look into what needs to be done if the property taxes are going to be relieved effectively in the country in any case.

This is a very complex question in itself, as you know, Bill.

We are now looking, as one of the current studies we're doing, is trying to see what uncapped sources of state and local weather there may just be.

The only thing we're looking at in that regard, frankly, is the value-added tax that we're looking at from the state and local weather.

We've heard that we can test this earlier this morning.

very readily expand that study in most of the education that I've had, but I'd say it would be a longer range.

If you've only had that license, then...

A few states have adopted what's called a circuit breaker,

The legislature provides a state-of-the-art case of, they put a limit on the amount of value a person pays for it.

And the property tax, 20% of the income, let's say.

I'm going to hear Mark's report at the Conference on Asia.

And this works very well.

Wisconsin has done it, for example.

If the federal government were to say, if you were to suggest that the federal government

stimulating all the states to adopt this circuit breaker for Asian people in the property tax field at a cost of money.

or 50% contribution to the states.

In other words, the federal government, they have the state's contribution to local tax bodies.

That's how it works.

Making up the difference between what the property owner would pay as a patient person and as an income-producing person.

It costs about $250,000.

And if there's one proposal that could very quickly be fed into the

as a temporary third term.

None of the properties had to leave for a major term.

We look at that as a stopgap, but we opted for a more comprehensive approach.

I wonder if we could, and as Vice President suggests, ask the ACIR to move right in on this.

We can turn over to them a tremendous amount of work that's been done by Treasury and our staff on the federal graduate approach.

And I guess if you could just take a look at the details of a couple of the different sets of events, I don't know if that's their option.

We can do something else.

I think if we did this, we would need to do something else.

We could just add to our course.

And that's what we're going to do.

That's what we're going to do.

But I would like to be able to feel that ACI are going to be writing on this because of the emerging legal requirements that Texas is on.

And it would be a shame to see Texas go off in an independent direction.

uh... here

Mr. Busby is a member of the C.I.R.

for example.

Yes, but you've got to change the case, understand?

I see your point.

We want to be able to tear it off to any specific request to the D.I.R.

and any kind of legislation for that to be able to go to the chairman's main member of the committee and tell her it's gone wrong.

That's a little bit of a trigger for me to try to...

Thank you.

Quite a lot.

That's a lot.

Well, it takes, in the study, a really good six or eight months, and then we've got to circulate with the commission, and then we're going to be around after that, and then the commission itself.

Now, if you're looking for some of that privacy room to perfectly analyze this whole, well, I mean, I don't even want to stab you right in the question,

This has to be, has to come down as an extension of special revenue sharing for education and not an alternative to it.

And the general revenue sharing things that are before the Congress now because

It's so massively complicated that the public can be deceived very quickly into thinking that all we're doing is playing around with it.

If we could do this, our population could do this much better.

I think it's easily possible.

It's the only new money in the special education program.

It's about $200 million purely to all of us.

But you could.

They all could.

But the fundamental concept should be carried through.

Oh, yes.

And if this were done in the present time, you could.

I realize that your primary theology, your values, is to read the local property tax money again.

And your secondary goal is to enhance education funding.

But I think that by giving emphasis to residential sharing, educational residential sharing, and by taking advantage of this opportunity and coming down on both sides with equal wage, you have a better both worlds.

And not too many orders is an unnecessary distinction, and I think that you would gain equally from the residential sharing process to make education equally on the go on your side as that of reducing the local property tax.

Yeah, I see.

And a 30-year-old commissioner in Winchester should be encouraging the cities themselves to deal with more equal... Everything in both the field work and our work has fortified the decision-making for common responsibility and a conscious distribution of federal authority.

We're constantly emphasizing that.

control of education is still a necrot of the state, a necrot of a district matter, and not the federal government.

You may add a point I'd like to make, Mr. President, that is extremely important to try to get across, and was obviously the crucial thing to get across, if we were thinkable of this kind, because it is, as I said, the basic philosophy of the administration, the core goal of responsibility.

And that is the point, that it just doesn't follow that the tax base used to raise money, the level of government that is used, should thereby, and to God, in fact, they should call upon, have the responsibility of deciding how the money is spent.

What we're talking about here is essentially the question of fairness in raising funds

and fairness in spending funds for the Education Corps without having any other service.

And we can't preserve the autonomy we want in local school boards unless we break the idea that there has to be a necessary connection between the level of responsibility and the decisional process in duty.

But it seems we've turned it upon the principal to do that.

And in respect to the states that are at the high end of the scale of raising, there's no direct correlation in those states between the amount of money raised at the state level and the degree of control exercised by the state board education versus the local board.

Anyway, I'd like to say one more thing about federal revenue sharing.

I think the great advantage, if we ever get that far down the road, would be simply to incorporate in the federal revenue sharing bill itself whatever formula we use for the allocation of funds.

As it is now, Kuczynski and other members of the House Committee are in the process of folding hearings on the special revenue sharing bill because they see it as a vehicle, although not proposed as a funding measure.

Still, it's easy enough to make one by combining and consolidating models.

This is a prime opportunity for the President to initiate a dramatic growth towards very high-level funding, just as radiated through traffic action, and very, very substantial funding that are now before him to study and determine how hearings are supposed to be taken in particular to Kennedy.

I don't think anybody would suggest it.

I don't know if he controlled it.

The policy of the mayor is that you should call it back because of an example that you can't share with him.

And still have open controls.

That's what he was asking my question.

The people of the city should have an open control.

He said, no, Matt.

I wonder about that.

Thank you very much.

I was wondering if you could give us some idea of where the NCIRB has entertained your request on this scenario.

If you're talking about the year, in a month or two or three, I would say no.

No, I'm asking for a response from you.

I mean, can you convene and accept the president's charge?

Sure, that's what we want you to do.

Can I start talking?

Sure.

No, no, no.

It's six, seven, eight months.

Who knows?

But if you bring them together and say, all right, here's an idea for me, an idea for me to keep you around, do you like it?

I may have a telephone.

I think I was going to mean the whole body.

Yeah, I suppose I can, but that's the exact of that.

In other words, could you accept on behalf of your commission, the president's charge to undertake that, and then, oh, you're going to do the thing, and then, oh, you're planning to keep going.

I do not, literally, I would have to, to, well, that's really not, that's not so bad.

There's no question that the commission will undertake it, and the president has to do it with my judgment.

Well, the message is that I am now asking you to undertake whatever process you find acceptable and consistent with your own.

But you all have a little stab.

You can say, well, this is something, and then what's when you, you should inform the members of the commission that the, I've asked the commission to look into the matter.

Could you just say that?

But, but, but as if the planning commission needs, no, it can't.

I mean, is that, is that not all right to put it that way?

We, we, we certainly do that, yeah.

Do that on that basis.

That's pretty much my word.

Or by the ball, if I hear something about you and you working on that with me, because I would have totally understand that you had something to say before any service.

But we just understand we're passing it to you, and we've asked, and we'll get to it.

And if at other times you request, you have not been responding.

How's that?

All right.

Well, you had to do that for me prior to the session.

Yes, I'd like priority attention given, because this is a matter under consideration by the Matt Boyd Commission, but then the administration and a number of other things.

We'd like your commission, we'd like to have your input as well, and I'm attempting to, as the director, to...

to pass that on to the Commission at a time appropriate to the community of Southern Indiana.

That sounds great.

So if you're not ordered to make sure, you're not promised a small amount, you're not... How do you promise a small amount of money?

Never.

That's a good point.

We have a younger guy named Jim who has a good knock on the back of his mouth.

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All right.

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All right, good luck.

Appreciate your hard work.

Very good.

I thought that was just a purge statement on a manual purpose.

I'm trying to work it into my conclusion, my strategic vision.

But also, I've already had to set up three manual radio addresses after every purge.

And that's why I don't go around to each of the purges, but on a manual purpose.

Because if we were quite to have said, we touched on you,

I mean, it's what we need to do because it has to be an excellent return of the mission for Washington, D.C., which is the one responding, and it's all that.

And it's going to be done.

What you're quoting from my 1870s speech, the first thing it is, I did.

But really, it was not part of that.

Now, it is, but it can't be survived.

It can't be survived.

Thank you.

I'm going to be leaving before the end of January.

Yes, sir.

Good night.

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Okay.

or or or or or or or or

and we're relatively young.

The person should be, because this is something for 70 years.

But the one thing that, in talking to Dr. Arthur Burns and Dr. Tom, is that five of the Senate members of the federal reserve would be conscious of this thought.

Well, we have the greatest respect for your confidence.

We recognize in particular on the Federal Reserve that you should be a very calm voice, a representative of business, young, vigorous, and successful, like you've been asked.

And those were some of the considerations.

But, but, but, Mr. Shannon, and he has, of course, Dr. Merritt's approval.

Now, you hold the Bible.

Judge me.

Will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic.

That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.

That I take this obligation freely.

Without any natural reservation or purpose of evasion.

that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.

So help me God.

All

Dr. Burns, if you step up here, I'm shocked at you with this group.

The band will be out of this one.

We want to recover this one.

Now, the two Senators and the Governor, I'm already trying to have a picture of that.

How are you seeing this city?

We've got a spark in your eyes.

Yes, we've got work to do in this city.

Now, let's see.

We do stuff on the other side of there, so if you ever want to bounce.

I used to pay him in July, Jim, because once you get that order, he's got to let you stay and he lets you rent it.

I said, I'm going to be smart when I go rent, so I'll talk to him.

Well, I used to have the privilege to be here.

To, uh...

Well, that's an indication of the property of a man.

Nobody's ever said less.

Well, I've done more.

It may have went on, but it may have lost its status on Monday evening.

And that is, if the Greeks had done it, it would have happened so it goes.

But it's the exercise of vital powers along the line of excellence in life according to the scope.

I've had a short experience with the feds so far.

I can hardly imagine any more superior than Dr. Scott Burns to be subject to.

I mean, in a situation like this, Mr. Harvey, let's go.

Or more so, Dr. Brown.

They could be in my spot.

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