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Nixon & Bull on Ascension Academy and Public relations

Thursday, January 13, 1972 · 1:02 PM–1:03 PM ET · Oval Office · 1 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation647-013 on Tape 647 (tape position 02:41:43–02:42:58)StartThursday, January 13, 1972 at 1:02 PMEndThursday, January 13, 1972 at 1:03 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 647-013 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull briefly discussed administrative logistics regarding a school group from Ascension Academy and the handling of presidential gifts. The conversation touched upon managing press interest in these events and navigating political perceptions of the administration. They concluded by briefly addressing the necessity of managing political adversaries to maintain the administration's momentum.

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NARA Description

On January 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:02 pm and 1:03 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 647-013 of the White House Tapes.

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Conversation No. 647-13

Date: January 13, 1972
Time: Unknown between 1:02 pm and 1:03 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

     Ascension Academy class
         -Press interest

          -Presidential gifts

Bull left an unknown time before 1:17 pm.

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I would suggest that the ACI arms president really look into what needs to be done if the property taxes are going to be relieved equitably in the country in any case.
This is a very complex question in itself, as you know, Bill.
We are now looking, as one of the current studies we're doing, is trying to see what uncapped sources of state and local weather there may just be.
The only thing we're looking at in that regard, frankly, is the value-added tax that we're looking at from the state and local weather.
We could, as we discussed this earlier this morning,
very readily expand that study in most of the educational .
But I'd say it would be a longer range .
uh... uh...
that picks up directly to these problems, not just being temporary.
If you were, as if you were trying to start at the beginning, you know, recognizing that there are practical problems that you can unveil and go this far, but that if you had your choice, you might want to go in another direction.

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  • 647-014 1:03 PM · 16 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Arthene Cevey, Andrey Pontier, Karl Wunderlich, Peter Yu, Michael Slattery, Billy McNight, Richard Buck, Stephen Bazo, James Toomey, Russell Burke, Brian Clark, Phillip Beauregard, Pete Wyrough, Brooks Ross, Robert Jones, Brian Bunce, John Sharood, Peter McMahon, Francois VanDerMenbrugge, Christopher Cook, White House photographer, Ronald L. Ziegler, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:03 pm to 1:19 pm.
  • 647-015 1:19 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Edwin M. Fauver, Mrs. Edwin M. Fauver, Ray M. Zook, Ronald L. Ziegler, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:19 pm to 1:23 pm.
  • 647-016 1:23 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:23 pm to 1:24 pm.
  • 647-017 1:24 PM · 1 hr 22 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Robert O. Anderson, J. Erik Jonsson, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Leonard Garment, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:24 pm to 2:14 pm.
  • 647-018 2:14 PM · 18 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 2:14 pm and 2:16 pm.
  • 647-019 2:16 PM · 6 min — Jon M. Huntsman, Mrs. Jon M. Huntsman, Jon M. Huntsman, Jr., Paul Huntsman, Kathleen Huntsman, Kristina Huntsman, James Huntsman, Paul Huntsman, David Huntsman, Alexander P. Butterfield, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:16 pm to 2:21 pm.

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Conversation 647-013, January 13, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/647-013 (accessed November 2, 2026).