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Nixon & Bull on Ascension Academy and Presidential gifts

Thursday, January 13, 1972 · 1:02 PM–1:03 PM ET · Oval Office

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation647-013 onTape 647 (tape position 02:41:43–02:42:58)StartThursday, January 13, 1972 at 1:02 PMEndThursday, January 13, 1972 at 1:03 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 647-013 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull briefly discussed administrative logistics regarding a school group from Ascension Academy and the handling of presidential gifts. The conversation touched upon managing press interest in these events and navigating political perceptions of the administration. They concluded by briefly addressing the necessity of managing political adversaries to maintain the administration's momentum.

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2:42:01I think there's still a chance for maybe another reception.

2:42:02But they probably won't let it go.

2:42:08Well, I appreciate this.

2:42:11Thank you.

2:42:12How's it going?

2:42:14My dad's a great success factor.

2:42:18He did a good job.

2:42:20I'm working day off and so forth, so I'm going to do great.

2:42:27I'm going to do great.

2:42:29you know i think actually that we're doing reasonably well at this point we've got this

2:42:42You're a nice Vice President.

2:42:43I talk to that individual every year.

2:42:46I, we put Senator in the meeting room.

2:42:48All we are trying to do is to keep these enemies from growing less and less.

2:42:52We have to do that.

2:42:54It's a little bit of a hell of a lot, but we'll allow it to happen.

2:42:59You've been a President enough that's happened.

2:43:03We can't let you stay out of the war and finish what you were here.

NARA Description

On January 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:02 pm and 1:03 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 647-013 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 647-13

Date: January 13, 1972
Time: Unknown between 1:02 pm and 1:03 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

     Ascension Academy class
         -Press interest

          -Presidential gifts

Bull left an unknown time before 1:17 pm.

Also recorded on January 13, 1972

647-011 12:36 PM · 38 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:36 pm and 12:38 pm.
647-012 12:37 PM · 22 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Lt. Cmdr. James E. Sheehan, John Sheehan, Kathleen Sheehan, Kelly Sheehan, Kevin Sheehan, Eugene T. Sheehan, Edward J. Sheehan, Geneva Smith, Adm. Adm. C. D. Griffin, Louie B. Nunn, John Sherman Cooper, John J. Sparkman, Arthur F. Burns, J. L. Robertson, George W. Mitchell, J. Dewey Daane, Sherman J. Maisel, Andrew F. Brimmer, Robert Holland, George P. Shultz, Herbert Stein, Peter M. Flanigan, Frederic V. Malek, Oliver F. ("Ollie") Atkins, and E. Pendleton James met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:37 pm and 1:02 pm.
647-014 1:03 PM · 16 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Arthene Cevey, Andrey Pontier, Karl Wunderlich, Peter Yu, Michael Slattery, Billy McNight, Richard Buck, Stephen Bazo, James Toomey, Russell Burke, Brian Clark, Phillip Beauregard, Pete Wyrough, Brooks Ross, Robert Jones, Brian Bunce, John Sharood, Peter McMahon, Francois VanDerMenbrugge, Christopher Cook, White House photographer, Ronald L. Ziegler, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:03 pm to 1:19 pm.
647-015 1:19 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Edwin M. Fauver, Mrs. Edwin M. Fauver, Ray M. Zook, Ronald L. Ziegler, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:19 pm to 1:23 pm.
647-016 1:23 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:23 pm to 1:24 pm.
647-017 1:24 PM · 51 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Robert O. Anderson, J. Erik Jonsson, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Leonard Garment, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:24 pm to 2:14 pm.
647-018 2:14 PM · 18 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 2:14 pm and 2:16 pm.
647-019 2:16 PM · 6 min — Jon M. Huntsman, Mrs. Jon M. Huntsman, Jon M. Huntsman, Jr., Paul Huntsman, Kathleen Huntsman, Kristina Huntsman, James Huntsman, Paul Huntsman, David Huntsman, Alexander P. Butterfield, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:16 pm to 2:21 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 647-013, January 13, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/647-013 (accessed September 18, 2026).