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Conversation 650-008

TapeTape 650StartTuesday, January 18, 1972 at 11:27 AMEndTuesday, January 18, 1972 at 11:31 AMTape start time01:50:55Tape end time01:55:20ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Ziegler, Ronald L.;  Bull, Stephen B.Recording deviceOval Office
AudioNARA Description

On January 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:27 am to 11:31 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 650-008 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 650-8

Date: January 18, 1972
Time: 11:27 am - 11:31 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.

     State of the Union address
           -Richard A. Moore
           -Clark MacGregor
           -Written statement by the President
                 -Duration of address
                 -[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson
           -Foreign policy
                 -State of the World, February 8, 1972
           -Domestic policy
                 -Oral message

     Ziegler's schedule
          -John A. Scali
          -Meeting with network executives in New York
                 -The President’s forthcoming trip to the People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                      -Invitees
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:27 am.

     President's schedule
           -Arthur F. Burns meeting

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:31 am.

     West Coast Dock strike
          -Laurence H. Silberman

     Howard R. Hughes
         -Loan to F. Donald Nixon
              -Ziegler's conversation with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
              -Ziegler’s handling
                    -Age of story
                    -Transfer of property

Ziegler left at 11:31 am.
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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I talked to you about the state of the union.
I thought it was occurring this year.
If we could say today that you would deliver the personal address, the state union address, would we be supplemented by a written state union address?
You know, the state union itself wouldn't need that with the address.
But that has to be associated with the address being made.
That could possibly be 100% a recon.
You don't know all of a sudden, hey, we're going to have a crash.
We're going to have a crash.
That was the first time this has been done.
I'm happy that they've got a subject.
So if you want to do that again, it's going to be two.
You want to do it.
Right, thank you.
Both are state unions.
It's a composite, so you don't think, you know, well, which is a state union?
They both are state unions.
Because the Constitution says that...
Right.
Right.
Right.
or a letter which will highlight certain subjects.
Right.
Now, I'm saying that it will, although we will touch on foreign policy, likely, it will focus on domestic policy because the foreign policy is foreign policy.
I will talk about foreign policy.
I will talk about foreign policy specifically when we come to the state of the world and put out the date, February 8th.
Right.
This will concentrate this session on my oral message.
that the written message will totally be on domestic policy, and that the oral message will be primarily on domestic policy.
Now, they'll say, when can we have it?
And I'm going to say, sometimes Thursday morning.
I think we can give them that longer version if it's ready, don't you?
The longer?
Okay, fine.
I appreciate it.
Well, I don't need them.
I don't need them.
Okay, that's all I had then for today.
I'm going up to New York this afternoon.
Yes, that's one of the things that I wanted to mention right now.
I said, look, let's make it clear that you requested this.
I'm not going to say it.
I'm not going to say it.
I'm not going to say it.
If this begins to unfold, we're going to make it very clear immediately that what our efforts were, were at your request.
I hope so.
Is that true?
Yes, sir.
They are cut to the bare minimum when they come along.
They've asked for one.
I don't think they're going to give it to them.
Well, okay.
I think that's all.
I'll let you know, Harry.
Do you like to hear what I'm going to say?
Yeah, I'll talk to you.
That's all for today.
It's an old story.
Good.
Okay.
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