Conversation: 650-012
Prev: 650-011 Next: 650-013Start Date: 18-Jan-1972 12:34 PM
End Date: 18-Jan-1972 2:29 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; Shultz, George P.; Ford, Gerald R.; Boggs, [Thomas] Hale; O'Neill, Thomas P. ("Tip"), Jr.; [Unknown person(s)];Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:58:00
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:53:26
NARA Description:
On January 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, George P. Shultz, Gerald R. Ford, [Thomas] Hale Boggs, Thomas P. ("Tip") O'Neill, Jr., and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:34 pm to 2:29 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 650-012 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 650-12
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Date: January 18, 1972
Time: 12:34 pm - 2:29 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with John D. Ehrlichman and George P. Shultz.
West Coast dock strike
-Legislation
-Labor Department
-Forthcoming meeting
-Jurisdiction issue
-Longshoremen, Teamsters Union
-Merger
-Longshoremen's contract
-Tax
-Fund
-Work guarantee
-Teamsters
-Compromise
-State of the Union speech
-Legislation
-Strategy
-Timing
-The administration’s posture towards unions
-Harry Bridges
-Radicals
-Possible statement
-Ronald L. Ziegler
-Administration image
-Media
-Injunction
-Public opinion
-Legislation
-Public perception of Administration effort
-James D. Hodgson statement
-Laurence H. Silberman
-Tom McCall
-Governors' forum
-Legislation
-Possible legislation
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
-Arbitration bill
-Establishment of arbitration board
-Jurisdiction
-Teamsters
-Longshoremen
-National Labor Relations Board [NLRB]
[The President talked with Gerald R. Ford, [Thomas] Hale Boggs, and Thomas P. (“Tip”)
O'Neill, Jr. between 12:41 pm and 12:44 pm.]
[Conversation No. 650-12A]
[See Conversation No. 18-102]
[End of telephone conversation]
West Coast dock strike
-Pay Board and arbitrator relationship
-Issue
-Money offered
-Camp David
-Office of Management and Budget [OMB] approach
-Economic Stabilization Act
-Pay Board
-Perception of handling
-Settlement
-Legislation
-Possible labor reaction
-Publicity
-Support of Republicans
-McCall
-Hugh Scott
-Congressional view of ad hoc approach
-Possible action
-Draft for inclusion in State of the Union speech
-Raymond K. Price, Jr.
-Deadline
-Need for action
Economic issues
-Ceiling on expenditures
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
-Settlement
-John B. Connally
-Arthur F. Burns
-State of the Union
-Budget message
-Administration, Congress
-1968 ceiling statement
-1969 ceiling statement
-Instruction for Shultz
-Deficit
-Budget
-Press conference
-Shultz and Connally
-Presidential statement
-Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
-Prospects
-Deficit
-Cabinet meeting, January 20, 1972
-Briefing for 1973 budget
-Department of Defense [DOD]
-End of fiscal year spending by federal agencies
-Budget authority
-Department spending
-DOD
-Deficit
-DOD
-Ombudsman oversight
-Domestic department
Commerce Department
-Peter G. Peterson's role
-Competitiveness of US industry
-Transition
-Productivity Commission
-Chairmanship
-Shultz
-Funding
-Visibility
-Steel industry
-Construction industry
-Smithsonian Agreement
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
-Hodgson
-Labor Management Committee
-John F. Kennedy administration
-Alternation of chairmanship
-Labor and Commerce Departments
-Peterson's image, energy
-Maurice H. Stans
-Connally
-Hodgson
-Announcement of Peterson appointment
-Announcement of Peterson's appointment
-Timing
-Ehrlichman’s role
-Connally
-Peterson’s memorandum for the President
-Proposal
-Hodgson
-Connally
-Ehrlichman’s talk with Peterson
-Peterson's view
-Specifics in statement
-Review
-Connally
-Hodgson
-Shultz
-Council on competition
-The President’s view
-Hodgson
-Timing
-News impact
-Peterson’s call to Ehrlichman
-Role vis-a-vis business
-Peter M. Flanigan
-Peterson’s talk with Ehrlichman
-Authority
-Peterson announcement
-Timing
Budget
-Statement
-Tone
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
-Melvin R. Laird's memorandum
-President's interview with Dan Rather, January 2, 1972
-Statement for television on budget
-Briefing
Connally, Shultz
-Message of January 24, 1972
-Signing ceremony
-Timing
-Television coverage
-Possible statement
-Press room
-Press conference on the budget
-Connally, Shultz
-Cabinet Room
-Embargoed copies of message
-Timing
-Location
-State Department
-David M. Kennedy
-Presidential statement
-Publicity
-Length of statement
Pay Board
-Burns's opinion
-Expectations
-Aerospace
-Construction industry
-Composition
-General Electric [GE] representative, Virgil B. Day
-Statements
-Union members
-Treatment of Arnold R. Weber
-George H. Boldt
-Administration of board
-Donald H. Rumsfeld
-OMB
-Boldt
-William L. Gifford
-Congressional relations
-Change of chairmanship
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
-Price Commission
-C. Jackson Grayson
-Compared to Pay Board
-Labor members
-Wage and Price system
-Frank E. Fitzsimmons
-Court ruling
-Impact
-Teamsters union contracts
-Burns's perception of possible actions
-John T. Dunlop
-Construction industry
-Labor view
-Charles W. Colson's view
-Fitzsimmons
-Boldt
-Contracts
The President’s schedule
Export extension bill
-Warren G. (“Maggie”) Magnuson
-Administration position
-Connally
-Peterson
-Henry A. Kissinger
-State, Commerce Departments
-Export subsidies
-Administration study
-Exchange Rates
-Negotiations
-Transfer of commercial function of State Department to Commerce Department
-Magnuson's bill
-Testimony
-Timing
-Maurice H. Stans's view
-William P. Rogers's view
-The President’s view
-Administration position
-Shultz’s view
-Analogy to intelligence
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
-Reorganization
-Agriculture
-Treasury Department
-Testimony
-Stans's position
-State Department
-Role of Congress
-Press conference
-Stans
-Peterson
-Possible testimony
-Administration strategy
-Study
-Rogers's view
-Connally
-Handling by OMB
-Intelligence committee
-Peterson
-Rogers
State Department
-Need for change
-Personnel
-Kissinger conflict with Rogers
-Connally conflict with Rogers
-Rogers’s view
-Connally
Chilean loan
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[Subject: Intelligence]
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
-Connally
-Expropriation
-Rogers
-Kissinger
-Peterson
-Memorandum
-Allende
-The President’s talk with Connally
-Recent elections
-State Department
-Connally
-Weintraub
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[National Security]
[Duration: 15s ]
[Subject: Intelligence]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
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-Memorandum
-Alexander P. Butterfield
-National Security Council [NSC]
-Timing
-Kissinger
-Rogers
-Connally
-Delegation of authority
-Negotiations
-Reciprocity
-Critics’ view
-Allende
-Fidel Castro
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
-Reaction in Latin America
-Castro
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-The President’s recommendation
-Allen W. Dulles
-State Department
-State Department
-Allende
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[National Security]
[Duration: 18s ]
[Subject: Intelligence]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
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-Expropriation
-Foreign policy
-Negotiations
-Connally
-Paul A. Volcker
-Sidney Weintraub
State Department
Export Extension bill
-State Department
-Study
-Rogers
-Staff work
-Study
-Comparison to oil imports
An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 12:44 pm.
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
President's schedule
-William L. Safire
-Price
Refreshment
The President and the unknown man left at an unknown time before 2:29 pm.
Foreign travel
-Embargo
-Herbert Stein
American Enterprise Institute [AEI]
The President returned at an unknown time after 12:44 pm.
Agriculture Department
-Draft regulations on food stamps
-Timing
An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 12:44 pm.
Refreshment
The unknown man left at an unknown time before 2:29 pm.
Agriculture Department
-Earl L. Butz
-Clifford M. Hardin
-Butz's statement
Timber industry
-Clear cutting
-Russell E. Train's position
-Executive Order
-Executive Order
-Effect on jobs
-Proposal
-McCall
-Environmentalists' reactions
38
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
Overseas aircraft sales
-Northrop Corporation
-Handling of businesses
-Adm. Elmo R. Zumwalt, Jr.
Richard Kleindienst
-Confirmation
-Ehrlichman's conversation with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
-Clark MacGregor report
-Possible votes
-Nomination
-Delay
-February 15, 1972
An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 12:44 pm.
Refreshments
The unknown man left at an unknown time before 2:29 pm.
Tax legislation
-Advisory Committee of Intergovernmental Relations [ACIR]
-Value-added tax
-Democrats
-Polls
-Edmund S. Muskie
-Connally role
-Spiro T. Agnew role
-Elliot L. Richardson
-Schools
-Property tax
-Connally role
-Timing
-The President's schedule
-June 1972 trip to the Soviet Union
-Neil H. McElroy
-ACIR
-Agnew
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
Declassification of government documents
-Agnew
-Official Secrets Act
-Forthcoming recommendation
-William H. Rehnquist
-Committee report
-Executive Order
-Agnew
-Congress
Narcotics interdiction
-Justice and Treasury Departments
-Connally
-Myles J. Ambrose
-John N. Mitchell
-Joint operation with Treasury
-Ambrose
-Ehrlichman’s forthcoming talk with Connally [?]
-Bureaucracy
-Street pushers
-Grand juries
-Ambrose
-Television
-Internal Revenue Service [IRS] agents
-US attorneys
-Eugene T. Rossides
-Forthcoming talks
Busing
-Richmond decision
-Humphrey statement
-News summary
-Edward L. Morgan
-Options paper for President
-The President’s schedule
-Issue
-Complexity
-Morgan
-Viewpoint
-Meeting with President
-Possible administration action
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
-The President’s view
-[Fredrick M.?] Coleman
-Leonard Garment
-Recent meeting
-Alexander M. Bickel
-Coleman
-Shultz
-Richmond judge [Robert R. Merhige, Jr.]
-Forthcoming cases in North
-Administration position
-Judges
-Possible legislation
-Constitutional amendment
-Robert P. Griffin
-Howard H. Baker, Jr.
-Press conference
-Form of amendment
-Legislation
-Options
-Statement by President
-Press conference
-Written
-Advantage
-Humphrey televised statement
-Neighborhood school
-Quality of education
-Press coverage
-Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
-Daniel L. Schorr
-Muskie
-Position
-Appearance on Meet the Press
-Rogers's reaction
-Rogers’s responses to questions
-Compared to the President
-Ziegler
-Press reaction
-Unknown reporter
-Muskie’s disposition
Executive salaries
41
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
-Handling
Roles of administration officials
-Peterson
-Commerce Department role
-Duties as spokesman
-Jobs, competition
-Flanigan
-Peterson
-Hodgson
-Connally
-Rogers
-Trade representatives
-Connally
-Peterson
-Connally
-Role
-Peterson's role vis-a-vis Hodgson, Rogers
-Peterson
-Organization of government
-Understanding by businessmen
-Charles E. Wilson, McElroy
-Performance as Secretary of Defense
-David Packard
-Business, government responsibilities compared
-Connally
-Peterson
-Role in economic matters
-Speeches
State Department
-Rogers
-Economic matters
-Reorganization
-Commercial attaches
-Policy matters
-Monetary
-Trade
-Aid to American business abroad
-Services
-Foreign Service
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
-The Ugly American
-Knowledge, handling of local conditions
-India
-Members
-Knowledge
-View of business
-Japan
-Commerce Department
-Agriculture Department
-Need for coordination abroad
-Treasury Department
-Coordination at home
-Presidential Regional Council
-Denver, Colorado
-Need for strong ambassadors
-National Security Council [NSC]
-Kissinger and staff
-Foreign service officers comparison
-Position vis-a-vis State Department
-Kissinger
-Attitude
-Relations with other officials
-Jack N. Anderson's publication of papers
-Joseph J. Sisco
-View of State Department
-Compared to the President’s
-People's Republic of China [PRC]
-Quemoy and Matsu
-Cuba
-Rogers
-Kissinger’s view
-Personality
-Press relations
-Relations with State Department staff
-Press relations
-Image with the American public
-Kissinger
-Anti-Vietnam war demonstrations
-Cambodia
-Laos
-The President’s November 3, 1969 speech
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
-Consultations with the President
-Press relations
-Rather
-Relations with the President
-Relations with the President
-Cordell Hull
-John Foster Dulles
-Suez crisis
-Aswan Dam
-Press relations
-Image in State Department
-Public visibility
-Death
-Media
-Rogers
-Leadership
-Future
White House staff
-Travel embargo
-The President’s schedule
-Exceptions
-Connally and Chilean loan negotiations
-Paris
-Stockholm
-Environmental conference
-Schedule
-George W. Romney
-The President’s forthcoming trip to the PRC
-Environmental conference
-Monetary conference
-Drug conference
-Rumsfeld, Robert H. Finch
State Department
-Staff
-Contacts with the President
-Image abroad
-Compared to Soviet Union, Great Britain
-Outlook
-Rogers
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
-Kissinger
-Style
-NSC meetings
-Kissinger and Rogers
-Tactics
-Compared to strategy
-Handling of meetings
-Dock strike
-Harry Bridges
Staff
-Speech writing
-Difficulties
Robert J. Dole
-Colson
-Divorce
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-Ehrlichman's and the President’s legal experience
Kennedy
-Response by Dole
-Speech
-Congressional leadership
-Connally's reaction
-Oil depletion
-Fred R. Harris’s claim
-1968 campaign
-Connally and the President
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
-The President’s support for concept
-Legal experience
-1939-1940
-Santa Fe Springs
-Humphrey
-Connally support in 1968
-Oil depletion issue
-Effect in Texas
Harris
-Washington Post story
-Howard R. Hughes loan
[Clifford Irving] biography of Hughes
-Legal action by Hughes lawyers
-Mail fraud
-Filing of complaint with Justice Department
-Robert Maheu
-John W. Dean, III
Hughes loan
-Press coverage
-F. Donald Nixon
-Hannah Nixon
-Property
-The President
-Hughes
-President's contact
-1959 telephone call
-Use of Boeing 707 on trip to the Soviet Union
Connally
Edward Kennedy
-Speech
-Vietnam
-Nguyen Van Thieu
-1972 election
-Response by Republican leadership
-Hugh Scott
-Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C. Arends
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
-MacGregor
-Speeches by Republican leaders
-Noel C. Koch
-Press coverage
-Tone
-Publication
-Form
-Civil rights
-News summary
-Reconstruction era
-Dual school system
-Lyndon B. Johnson’s record
-Food stamps
-Minority business enterprise
-Record of President's administration
-Budget message
-Father Theodore S. Hesburgh
-Catholics
Congressional relations
-The President’s forthcoming trip to the PRC and Soviet Union
-Forthcoming State of the Union address
Liberals
-Amos 'n Andy show
-Attitude toward songs such as Dixie, Old Black Joe
Blacks
-Prejudice
-Mayors
-Carl B. Stokes compared to John V. Lindsay
-Medgar Evers
-Charles Evers
-Fayette, Mississippi
-Unknown official
-Murder indictment
-Charges
Congressional relations
-State of the Union speech
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.)
Labor leaders' attitude towards the President
-Connally
-Arthur F. Burns
-George Meany
-Fitzsimmons
-Peter J. Brennan
-Construction Trades Union
Drug issue
-Pushers
-Congress
-Recesses
Blake's book, Cecil's book
Shultz and Ehrlichman left at 2:29 pm.