On January 28, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), Ronald L. Ziegler, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:25 am to 11:12 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 659-001 of the White House Tapes.
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It's so thin, just a little.
Two inches is about to make it.
Here, look at this, actually.
I see you put icicles in the hot thing.
No, that's not where it's been done yet so far.
One problem we've got on schedule today is that Marina Whitman, the economic lady, we were going to announce next Tuesday when we had good news, but the word is out, and Stein feels very, very strongly we've got to announce it today, which is too bad.
That would be great.
Would you mind doing it tomorrow morning?
Well, of course, I have to be here over at the University.
Have her in first thing in the morning, get her a picture, so we can catch the Sunday papers.
Excellent.
I'd be glad to go today, but it would be lost.
I wish I'd thought of that.
That's right.
Construction trades.
Well, we've got the drug.
The drug is our big story today.
And construction will get a second good Sunday paper.
Yes, it is.
And...
That'd be great.
I'll be over in the morning.
What time is it?
9.30?
It's 10 o'clock.
10 o'clock.
9.30.
9.30.
Well, it's 10.
This is a good hour.
This is a curve, I understand.
Very wise.
We can live with it at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning.
They can put it, you know, off one day, and that gives us the best of both worlds.
We get it done quickly, but also solve the problem of getting some new talent.
If we do it today, we'll get lost.
That's too good a story to lose.
Okay.
Would you mind trying to get a PR record on this one?
I was thinking, for example, this woman, Franklin and the National Committee people and the Congresswomen down there.
You know what I mean?
They all ought to, you might even get a few of them in here.
They're really quite, you know, you get a good appointment, and to a super high post that no woman's ever held, nobody would have ever thought of her.
Well, you gotta adopt the idea, too, that it was solely my idea.
Yep.
That I had been impressed with.
I'd seen her in the interviews.
and they ought to get the scally on and things like that.
So this will just run next week.
It really is, it's different from the Supreme Court, not nearly as well known, but it's the same category.
It's a breakthrough.
Massive proportion, you know, considering the number of women.
It's got the economic system.
It's quite, quite, quite expensive.
Yeah.
They're trying to find a woman to replace her on the price floor so we can keep a woman in that apparatus.
Herb Stein says, you know, you've got a real problem on that because in this field you've got Marina Whitman here and then you've got about 50 blank spaces before you get to the next woman.
There just isn't anybody else.
Yeah.
But they don't have to go to an economist on the price board.
They can go to, you know, some other kind of one.
We've got a problem putting inside people on there.
Even Arnie Lipper has a problem on this.
Apparently little Judge Boat did alright for himself on the Hill yesterday.
Tried to work him over.
You understand what I mean?
All these things are not very as difficult as they seem.
What kind of funny incident on one of the other guys that was up there, we somehow had purloined Proxmire's questions.
I think somebody in his staff leaked them out or something.
We had the questions and we'd given them to the people so they'd work up their answers.
And one of the other guys answered a question that was the next one up before Proxmire.
One other thing, you said you agreed to have us look for a black opportunity.
And there is a thing which isn't really a black opportunity, but that is worth at least raising as a thought.
They are having at the Washington Hilton on Sunday night, this Sunday, a testimonial dinner, presumably honoring Bob Brown,
for his aid to blacks who want to help themselves.
It's actually a fundraising thing in some way for sickle cell anemia.
But the point is it's a drop-by opportunity if you want to consider it.
Sandy Davis, Jr. and Ed Brooke are the co-chairmen of it.
The proceeds go to sickle cell anemia research.
And the blacks that are attending it is absolutely incredible.
Jackie Robinson, Roy Ennis, Vernon Jordan, Art Fletcher, Mayer Hatchett, Jesse Jackson, Charles Evers, Berkeley Burrell, you know, all of them.
From all over the country, all the blacks that are, you know, maybe there isn't quite as much in all the blacks.
Is there anybody?
Well, currently, these are the ones that are coming.
There's going to be 2,300 people there.
It's a very big dinner.
Black tie and all this stuff.
Now, Buchanan...
who you know put in the original thing makes the point that this would be a good forum for you to drop by but it is not the right one for you to develop a thing where you speak to the middle class black and realistically about their position in society it's a um it's a close call and it's amazing it's an opportunity
That's what they said.
Remarks should be light in nature with their difference.
You know, sort of a light touch on Bob Brown.
What a great job he's doing.
And then maybe a serious note on our program.
I said we'd sell it to you for a second or something.
But we'll leave it there.
Yes, it is.
It's a disease that only blacks get, or virtually only blacks get.
It's a cancer, a blood cancer.
It's tied into your cancer.
Why do they get it?
Because of the composition of their blood, which sort of shoots down to people and says there's no difference between blacks and whites.
There's some difference in blood composition, pressure.
if you should do it it should be with no announcement which is very definitely the worst thing you could do is say you're going and we'll let anybody know you're going and i think what i should do is even on this because they've raised it as a proposal to say no so that there's no thought of you coming
I mean, it sounds like nice and everything.
And we hold these testimonials.
If you do it, if you do it, what you ought to do is go, it's an 8.30 minute, you ought to wait until 9.30 or so.
Go, walk in, make your remarks, and walk out.
Totally other than us.
I think I made it too fast.
You must be happy.
Yeah, I don't know.
No, we're getting this all better.
There's a lot of stuff on our thing.
The recent market was the indicators.
The leading indicators had a huge jump.
You were talking about the market.
Yeah, we're on 10 points.
We have 20 million shares.
I don't know.
No, well, they announced this leading indicator saying it was up 2.2, but on 4 it went down, 4 it went up.
The story is a huge jump in the leading indicators.
Largest rise in a long time.
It's a good positive story.
Rodgers do well?
Yes.
Well, he went into a big thing about, it's amazing how he flips, moves back and forth, but he's very optimistic now.
He's got a, you know, his rationale on what's going to happen.
They're going to make the big move, we can hold them, and then he thinks we'll really get to negotiate.
She's perverted.
She's got this whole, you know, she...
She said Muskie is bad on women's issues and afflicted with stoning.
Reagan's impression of Hollywood came due to masculinity and policies clear off the charge.
The historical stuff on the Peace Initiative are there to count.
I don't read them.
No, there's a few bad ones, but it's overwhelming.
The bad ones are the New Yorker, you know, the New Yorker vote was filed in the New York Post.
Oh, of course.
And the people that are in it.
But a good general is not.
Yeah, even like the St. Louis Post-Dispatches that have been into it.
Look, Democrat had a great yesterday.
It's...
The whole thing is not on a, I think, very positive basis.
I wrote, throw my hand up there, I wrote, I just started really popularizing our service.
I wrote a book with John Irwin, but I'm only on page three of it.
I want to bury him, just for his eyes and yours only.
I wrote just a little bit about it.
I'm excited to be done.
Great job.
Let me tell you the real trust in this which Herobrine has not thought of.
He's thought of it.
He doesn't mention it.
because there is a decision to this in our court, and it wasn't our judgment on that.
Well, that's the thing that that would work, which I thought it would.
Some of these cases are going to get to the Supreme Court before the election.
Now, the reverse side of the coin, this being our court, the Nixon court, it works out without him.
And the Nixon court then proceeds to approve us, and we are screwed.
No questions.
We weren't done in.
Before that, Nixon clerked us through.
He better be out of his head.
If we give it after, he'll be repudiated in our own court.
And we can't do that.
John doesn't seem to understand that.
Well, plus, part of the problem, too, is that I know what happens in the transit.
He's beaten over the head and shoulders by, you know, Carmen Peter.
All those people over there are a little on this issue.
And I understand my good guy.
You sit around here, and you're talking to the Blacks, and you read the Washington Post and the New York Times, and what are we doing for them?
They put in every goddamn budget that how much more we put in for civil rights.
Now, that doesn't even mean a thing.
It doesn't mean a thing.
How much more we're doing for food standards doesn't mean a thing.
Well, anyway.
So I've covered that, and I've covered this another time.
I've covered the strategy, followed that one, followed that for a little bit closer.
And I'll come to you with regard to the next one, or not the 15th one, the Vietnam thing.
The thing about the Vietnam thing, you have to realize, is it's a two-track approach.
The major track, and the first one I've covered is Saltman Ranch in Toronto.
And the first major track is
to crack an attack, and the attack must be vicious.
Vicious, because that is the only way you'll get across what they're doing.
We have nine attacks, which is why this one cannot break viciously enough.
He just doesn't know how.
I said, did you tell him that?
He said, well, Chuck and I were talking about just exactly this this morning.
He understands the problem that we have of not getting hurt unless we're dirty enough to do anything.
You've got Peter Durbin, the party of the surrender, as the main comfort to the enemy, and the other will say, Bob, the really best one we've got, I think, just nail it hard on them, is...
The people that are criticizing this proposal now, guys, lead us to only one conclusion, which is that the thing they really want, and it can be the only thing they want, is communist opposition.
A communist nomination.
Don't talk about Q.
Never.
I haven't heard much about Q.
No.
Because everybody's for the overthrow of Q. I mean, the popular, nobody's, let's put it the other way, there's damn little support for Q anymore.
Because nobody thinks he must be.
Henry's a drag.
First, of course, put it on the two-government address.
I struck all that out.
If you notice, I had changed it around.
I had it in that institute.
It said, of course, overthrow the government of South Vietnam.
See what I mean?
And yours is fine.
Now, we ought to go and say, well, a communist government in South Vietnam.
You've done that.
You've offered everything except a communist government in South Vietnam.
This is what you've got to do.
The key to this is an issue.
Keep it an issue.
It's a good issue.
Don't let it just go away.
Don't say, oh gee, they're not saying anything.
You remember, after we made our October 11, 1970, everybody said, oh gee, that's withdrawn.
That's an issue.
Bullshit.
Attack Muskie.
Attack Humphrey.
Pick the Muskie.
That is our...
I did... Now, my vice president has attacked the Jesus out of Muskie, and they haven't picked it up.
They have picked up some, but...
Where did you get it?
On this intuition mouse?
No, on this.
BP is rolling on this one.
They had Buchanan do a speech, and he rejected it.
He won't use it.
But there's a lot of good stuff in it that we have other people use.
Well, can we get anybody to use it?
How many of you will get the vice president to use it when he sees that he doesn't get picked up with the other stuff?
Because that's the way you play him.
if he doesn't get another shot of cold water.
Cold water, use the party to surrender.
Rather than the party of surrender, the men of surrender.
And then in every speech you praise, as long as they take it, you praise that the Republicans jumped over, like Brandon Morris, and you praise the main field and, you know, and Stennis.
And you say, let's praise these men who have, and I, this memorandum of mine, it spells it all out, I thought it all out.
and tell us exactly what I want done.
I'll do the best I can, but I think we're very- I think your problem is this, that I think you have basically an operator, but I don't think you've got somebody that can write it, and that sure is a problem.
Well, you didn't have to write it, too, unless it is pretty sharp on this stuff.
And between how it could be done, I think we've got pretty good stuff in it.
The other problem is, you gotta write it so somebody will use it.
Part of what we, the trouble we had with Knopsaker was nobody used his stuff after he wrote it, and he wrote some pretty good stuff that helped me say it.
Okay.
I'm pretty well set for today.
We're the drug thing to carry the, the way.
UPI, uh,
U.P.I.
ran a story last night which was wrong on your departure date for China.
They said the 16th.
I guess it's the 17th, isn't it?
Yeah.
So there's no...
fusion later on, and that's carried on radio and everything else at the 16th.
I think I should put out the right date today.
No details, but the right date today.
The tentative plan is to leave it on the 16th.
Leave it loose.
That's right, because then it'll look like we've got something screwed up when we change it.
I don't know.
There's so many people now who are
Why don't you just say about, you know, if it's the 10th.
This is the 17th.
The 17th, depending upon what we're still working on.
The date is not confirmed.
No, should I hear?
The date is not confirmed.
They also have the stopping in Hawaii and Guam.
Yeah, well, that's under consideration, but it will depend upon.
We still haven't made a final decision.
We haven't made a final decision about the stops.
We have to make two stops, and those are the ones that are tentatively under consideration.
But this has not yet been submitted to the President.
He'll make a final decision.
Probably make it sometime next week.
We will not leave before the 17th.
I can't say that.
We're pretending to talk about the 17th, but it is possible that we'll leave.
We'll make two stops.
Two stops have to be made.
The Hawaii bombs have been recommended by the advance party, but the president has not had time yet to consider it.
He'll make a decision on the latter part of next week.
That's the merit of being back to the 2000s.
It's history.
We took Clinton on a little bit yesterday.
He didn't get a whole lot of play.
Ron hit him on the ceasefire thing.
I think you've got to worry about that.
That's the one thing that's not the best you can agree with, Ron.
Well, I referred to that.
I said, well, look, when you come to the ceasefire, Henry's explained it all.
The president explained it.
But the fact of the matter is .7 in their nine-point plan is .6 in our eight-point plan.
And I said, we have to deal, the president has to deal with facts and reality.
He has a responsibility to deal with this matter.
But I suppose there'll be those who'll continue to make comments in the fantasy of their own illusions.
Yeah, the fantasy of their own illusions, even then.
In that way, don't they?
Well, generally speaking, the opposition is somewhat disagreeable.
Totally.
I think.
It must be, you know, that bunch of things make a hell of a lot of sense.
All they say is about one issue.
Well, you ought to use this one, if you haven't already.
Yes, totally.
really straightaway already, it seems to come down to those who know that the small group of willful men, of ambitious men, who oppose the present policy, that their answer is the surrender of the United States.
And opposing the communist government of South Vietnam.
Those are the only two issues left.
I had to come right out of the White House.
God damn, it's true.
That was a good day.
It's the only line that's left now.
Is there anything else there?
They say they put it all out there.
You take the New York Times League story today.
On the right side, they say the deadline for an overture of Cuba.
Now, you're supposed to hear what they mean by overture.
They don't have an alternative.
They say overture would put us in.
Because it depends on how you deem it.
In fact, you agreed to deal with him.
As a matter of fact, ask him.
Someone asked that question of Henry when Henry said he was prepared to step down.
And someone asked, well, Henry, in fact, that is an overthrow.
He was going out of office before his term was up.
Am I wrong, Henry?
Right, but he's still out of office.
He's been over 30 months.
He's removing himself from the office.
Well, that's why we try to go the best way, because the line that we've gone as far as we can go is that we have tried our very best to meet their political, to give some of their political things, but still leave the final choice of the people of South Vietnam.
Of course, what they own is the guarantee of a communist government in the area of Vietnam.
Don't be afraid to use the word that our people want surrender of the United States.
They want us to guarantee a communist government.
Which would be surrender.
Well, we'll get that out of the way.
I'm going to Houston.
tonight and talk to the editors down there tomorrow, so I'll be asking them.
The N.A.?
No, it's all of the subscribers of United Press International in Texas.
Oh, yeah.
Good.
But they're all the papers in Texas that subscribe to you.
Well, there.
Some of them disagree.
You do a Q&A better.
Q&A.
Good.
That's a good thing.
You do all of those.
I'll be able to get some of those points in, you know.
But everything that you do, kind of sadly, you can say, oh, gee, gee, oh, it's obvious now that the people that are left opposing this, sir, can only be those who want to come and give them the software and give them a memorandum I wrote to, uh, a lot.
These are, some of this may be a little rather than you want to use to give you the lines, so that's good.
Okay, wise men.
You can get pretty rough on this one.
You can get rough on that, you see, if you're not on the reading plan.
That's right.
It's a different thing.
You're expressing your views instead of your views.
Right.
You didn't say that.
You've got to get across some of it.
You might get a hell of a bunch out of that this time.
I might leave it.
Don't get across some of the positive stuff for 30 months.
You're out there in the breathing, frankly.
that when he was full on, that he had done more than the British did.
And also hold out the hope that there will be a negotiation, that it can be, and that they're all, as far as our field governments are concerned, that's the only way we can get them back.
So we've got to do that.
We're keeping open the negotiating channels.
You might point out, they say the wide-ranging statements,
The charge of breaking secrecy is that that's ruined the negotiations.
The good answer to that is that the North Vietnamese have not rejected the proposal.
Well, another line being used, too, is that many of the ambitious men, or many of the few critics that have long been critics, have seemed to reject the plan before the other side.
Why don't we say it?
Rejected the plan beforehand, or what did you say?
I found a lot of other ideas covered in this memorandum.
Very clearly, the idea that any chance for negotiation
is destroyed by division in this country's international vision, when recognized leaders offer something different from and more than we want, because the enemy then says, why should we negotiate?
The only way to get negotiation is to present the United States with people who are
I'd also like to point out that the, I've got a few lines in there.
They're putting partisanship ahead of these, they're putting partisanship ahead of these.
Point out all the sprays that they've got.
Since the sprays in this case, as long as you say they're Spanish, you know, after all that this is.
Now, the,
And he isolated the people who really are now, he isolated those who apparently had the one thing he said was true.
He also, I'm getting ready, dropped the line that we could share, he could share the very truth that he said, that many critics in the past did
echoed the enemy's line, unconsciously.
I've heard this from my grandfather, but now, when they echo the enemy's line, they are consciously giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
See my mark?
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy, unconsciously before, but now they're consciously doing it.
Correct.
I'm not .
And he says he has to see you for 10 minutes.
And John says he needs to see you for 10 minutes before it's 12 o'clock.
Because I have issues.
Or what?
12.45.
He leaves at 12.45 to spend with .
We need to catch him for a couple of minutes and then we can pretend.
I'll catch him.
I'm going to swear to the sky and I will.
I'm going to swear to the sky and I will.
Are we putting too much?
He's bright as hell
But are you, I mean, I think we've got too many people like Moore and Klein and the rest, you know, that head around, but really don't come up with a, with a, well, let it jump in.
Klein will on this kind of stuff.
Yeah, he won't get anything done, but he can give you anything, right?
He's going to sit down and think of the strategy.
That's what I mean.
Not much.
That's what I mean.
Not much.
I think I know what Scallion does well in that.
Good.
Scallion, I'm glad you're going to be in there.
And Clark and Gregory are outside.
It's really Mark and Scallion and Colson and I that can harvest this place.
You've got a pretty good team.
And they all fan out.
I mean, they cover Scallion maneuver externally.
Colson's got, you know, his crew that he can really get cranky.
See, Chuck's got some pretty good backup now.
He didn't have, but he's got it.
He's got a chance to get some stuff done.
He's got gold cooperating with him now, and that can help.
We've got to get Bob off the partisan thing and onto just a straight frontal attack.
He can't do that.
He doesn't know how to do that.
He doesn't know very well.
There's a piece on the campus Republican there, Republican versus Democrat.
I can't believe it.
I don't want to put on any burdens that are beyond his staff and capabilities.
In Africa, because the guy is good at one thing, but he's going to be good at something else.
And he's going to be the best judge of rhetoric, is my point.
Talk to him about the cook rhetoric.
He knows what we're talking about.
What he's doing is trying to get the toughest stuff into each person that he can get.
Go for it.
Don't say you need any tough stuff.
Somebody was saying we need to do something.
He's asking Bud if he needed...
for helping, you know, launching an attack or something.
He says, I don't need any help on attacks.
Somebody else said, he sure as hell doesn't.
Probably.
He just keeps his speed.
He may be going in that second.
We'll get him to roll.
Our cabin, we should be staying in the tunnel next time.
Elliot is going to be a strong advantage on this thing.
We're pushing hard to get him on so far.
is just awful damn good on this whole subject, because he knows it better than anybody.
And he's smart.
He really does.
He knows it better than Henry, as far as from the public people.
He knows what to say.
Henry makes a brilliant virtuoso performance, but Henry never will do what I try to guide him a little bit as much as I can.
He'll never sit down in advance and figure out, these are the four points I want to have shaken the public mind.
He will not do that.
This is a thing that Scali did.
Remember him?
Because he's disturbed because he wasn't brought in on this matter.
He's right.
He wasn't on the line.
The super-secretary.
Wasn't told about the speech?
Yeah.
Well, for Christ's sakes, I wouldn't think of telling him about it.
But his point is, the exercise we went through at the staff meeting with Henry and the work we did afterwards could have been subverted, avoided, and we could have had Henry
The day before, or earlier that day, instead of waiting until that time.
We should have got a scallion on it earlier.
No, I'm not going to get Scali on the writing of the speech.
Oh, hell no.
He didn't mean on writing the speech.
Look, Scali has no thought of wanting to be part of making it.
But the point is that I suggested you get him in the day before, remember?
Yeah, but remember... Henry rejected it.
He said, no, that we can't.
We'll leave it to Ziegler, but not to Scali, because Scali will leave.
Well, Scali makes the point that he knew about the talks, and he didn't really leave that.
He knew about China, and he didn't really leave that.
I do think he talks more than we want him to, maybe, or more than Henry wants him to, but he does it because he thinks he's doing the right thing.
If he's told, this was the turn down, well, it turned down the right, because Henry's chipped up, but it was more luck than anything else.
And Scali points out, it could have been better.
For instance, he said, if I had been given some time on it, I could have developed a stronger case than we have of the president's direction of this thing.
If we let too much come through, as Henry, I see Henry sees that, as Scali trying to undercut him.
The point is, he's not.
His point is, all of what Henry was talking, what Henry should have said is, and then the president sent me.
And then when I reported back to the president, or I got back that night at midnight and went right up to the Lincoln sitting room where the president was waiting for me, the little personal touches of making it, you know, that you were pulling the set up instead of playing into the president's hands by, which they know is the truth, saying he did it all himself.
But he didn't say that, in fairness.
He didn't, but I mean, that's what they want to write.
And they haven't been able to.
He doesn't fall for that.
We didn't fall for the negative side, but we did get as much of the positive as we could have.
This is what John's pointing out.
Well, what are you going to do about it?
I've got to talk to him.
I just can't get that response.
I know.
It's just, you've got to stay at it whenever it comes up.
Back to hell.
And I've just got to push on an individual basis.
I think you're wrong about it.
I know, I'm totally wrong.
You know, it doesn't.
That one's gone very rough on Scallion.
He keeps being Henry.
Oh, Christ.
Which is just too damn bad.
They're wrong.
Just tell us.
It would help Henry.
Well, Henry's not good with everything right now.
I mean, as I say, that's why he's... You'll read that first draft.
You've got to read that.
This is my order to read it.
You get it from Sapphire, and you will see why Henry needs a Scallion to guide him.
And before, Q&A.
So Andy said, jeez, I didn't think.
Like, he came up when Andy, that night before the speech, came up and talked to you.
And you raised all those questions.
And Andy said, gee, I never thought that if I couldn't explain it to you, how was I going to explain it to the other people?
He changed it.
Now, Scali would have gone at it that way, made the same comment.
And Johnny has no thought of wanting to be
a hand in the right hand position.
Not because he can't, because I just can't have more than one person.
He doesn't want that.
But what he wants is, let me show you what you've got to be prepared for.
That's right.
He's right.
Well, I can say this.
We were lucky to come out as well as we did.
Scali agrees with that.
If we came out at the end, we could have come out better.
He's right.
Well, better.
We still can't.
There's still a position.
I understand Scali's been around some.
We've come on damn well.
And there's no question.
I mean, you really gotta get across that problem.
I thought up the whole goddamn thing and it guided.
You know, Henry, come back with these silly ass things.
They wiggle.
I mean, they're beginning to move.
And I say, now, Henry, I don't see it that way.
And a couple people, what do they really do that's different?
You know, we used to go over this shit.
That's what that means.
It's very significant that they...
waited three days longer to turn the thing down than they had the time before, where they usually only wait an hour and a half.
They waited two hours and a half.
Almost.
He waited three days.
Doesn't know.
He just totally knows.
He loves that stuff.
He thinks those things are significant.
They are not significant.
Sometimes the time record counts.
Or sometimes they just didn't get it done.
And the guy really was sick and couldn't come to parenthood.
Well, that probably was not true, but never.
But the point, because they had plenty of time after that.
Yeah.
But the point is, Henry's whole deal is on this, that where he tries, he likes to think, because he's, for a very nice little position, so they actually do some good.
He knows that.
He knows a deep tap on it.
Just use scouting wherever you can.
And we just can't tolerate people telling them that they can do better than that, or questioning them.
That's where he gets on up with Ron, because Ron bores in on tough questions and he gets mad.
He does it with his own staff.
You know, they don't understand.
He says, what's the matter with you?
He always comes down.
We've got to go on the offensive.
Yeah.
He goes through that line this morning.
Don't bother me with the trivia.
We've got to go on the offensive.
We've got to go on the attack.
But we aren't enough.
You've got to follow.
You've got to follow.
I must say, I'm so excited about this.
I'm so excited about this.