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Start Date: 31-Jan-1972 5:05 PM

End Date: 31-Jan-1972 5:49 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:35:18

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:15:53

661a.mp3

661b.mp3

661c.mp3

NARA Description:

On January 31, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 5:05 pm and 5:49 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 661-011 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 661-11

Date: January 31, 1972
Time: Unknown between 5:05 pm and 5:49 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     Welfare
          -Recent meeting with John D. Ehrlichman
          -Abraham A. Ribicoff
          -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan

     Environmental efforts
          -Russell E. Train
          -Laurance S. Rockefeller
          -Conference
               -Location
                     -San Clemente
                     -Park at Point Reyes
               -Timing
                     -Point Reyes
                           -Weather in San Francisco

     The President’s schedule
                                             37

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 661-11 (cont.)


          -Gridiron Dinner
               -Election year
               -Reasons for attendance
                     -Edgar Allan Poe
                     -Donald McI. Kendall
                     -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
                     -Charles G. “(Bebe”) Rebozo
               -Benefits
                     -Piano duet
               -Remarks
               -Post-People’s Republic of China [PRC] trip decision
               -Easter parade
          -Meeting with William F. (“Billy”) Graham
               -Breakfast
               -Haldeman role
               -Topics
                     -Politics
          -The President’s forthcoming telephone call to Apollo 15 crew
               -Astronaut’s schedule
                     -Washington, DC
                     -Tour of communist countries
                           -Yugoslavia, Poland
               -David R. Scott
               -James B. Irwin
               -Alfred M. Worden
               -Previous telephone call
               -Good will tour of communist countries
               -Visit to White House
               -Promise of dinner
               -PRC trip
                     -Weekend at Camp David

Henry A. Kissinger entered at 5:13 pm.

     Vietnam negotiations
          -Public perception
               -Harry Schwartz of New York Times
                     -Harrison E. Salisbury
               -New Republic article
                     -View of Nixon strategy
          -North Vietnamese reaction
                                        38

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                             Conv. No. 661-11 (cont.)


          -Publishing of nine points
                -Variations
                -US reaction
                      -Ronald L. Ziegler
                      -Comparison of versions
     -Andre Malraux’s meeting with the president
          -Gen. Charles A.J.M. de Gaulle
          -The President’s impression
          -Publishing of Anti-memoirs (1967)
     -Malraux’s possible future meeting with the President
          -Timing
                -Forthcoming trip to the PRC
          -Chou En-lai
          -Mao Tse-tung
          -Georges J.R. Pompidou
          -Setting up
                -Charles Lucet
          -Public relations
          -China scholars
                -Value of meeting the president
                      -Public relations
          -Benefits
          -Malraux qualifications
          -Dinner
                -Guest list
                      -Kissinger
                      -William P. Rogers
                      -Marshall Green
                      -Lucet
          -Malraux
                -Scholarship
                -Family background
                      -Jewish contacts
                            -Alsace
          -Timing

PRC trip
    -State Department experts
          -Papers
          -Leaks
    -Rogers’s involvement
                                        39

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 661-11 (cont.)


     -The President’s meeting with State Department officials
           -Papers
           -Green
           -Papers
                -Gratitude
                -Appearance compared to substance
           -Timing
           -Value
           -Progress of papers
     -Rogers’s role in planning
           -Exposure to text of PRC meetings
                -Edited copies
           -Memoranda
                -Soviet trip preparations
                -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
                -North Vietnamese meetings text
                -Proposals
           -Leaks
                -Source
           -Rogers’s view
           -Progress on papers
                -Background work
                -Cancelled meeting
     -The President’s role
           -Substance of meetings
           -Study of written word
                -Questions
     -State Department role
     -The President’s role
           -Meeting with paper authors
           -Use of papers
                -Timing
           -Reading list

Schwartz letter to Kissinger
    -Jack N. Anderson
    -View of New York Times of administration
           -Vietnam
    -Editorial policy
    -Response by Kissinger
    -Schwartz’s visit to Kissinger, January 31, 1972
                                          40

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 661-11 (cont.)


     -Editorial views
          -Salisbury
          -Publication of diverse views

Vietnamese negotiations
     -Reaction by the President’s domestic opponents
     -Revelations by North Vietnamese
          -October 11, 1971 plan
                -The President’s peace proposal speech, January 25, 1972
                -Details
                      -Troop withdrawals for Prisoners of war [POWs]
                -Press conference
                -Use by Kissinger
          -Note from the US
                -Request for meeting
          -Nine point plan
                -Ziegler rebuttal
                -Kissinger rebuttal
                      -Comparison of versions
                           -June 26, 1971
          -Kissinger’s rebuttal
                -October 11 proposal
                      -Withdrawal for POWs
                           -Ceasefire
     -Michael J. Mansfield view
          -Liberals
          -Separation of military and political
          -Rebuttal
     -New York Times article
          -Terence F. Smith
          -Comparison of the President’s proposals to Lyndon B. Johnson proposal at
                 Manila
          -Max Frankel
          -Johnson’s proposal
                -US withdrawal
                      -Timing
                -Compared to the President’s proposal
                      -Withdrawal
                           -Timing
          -Manila formula
                -Kissinger’s recommendation to the President
                                        41

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                          Conv. No. 661-11 (cont.)


                     -Timing
                          -Ford’s Theatre
                     -Simultaneous mutual withdrawal
                          -Henry Cabot Lodge
                          -William P. Bundy’s view
                                -Australia
          -Rebuttal
                 -Frankel
                 -Smith
          -Error
     -Stewart J.O. Alsop article
          -Support for the President
                 -Establishment
                 -Democrats
     -Katharine L. Graham’s telephone call to Kissinger
          -Editorial policy
          -Alsop’s previous telephone call to Graham
     -Frankel
          -Possible invitation to PRC
          -Forthcoming telephone call from Kissinger
     -Details of proposals
          -Johnson
          -Manila formula
                 -Conditions
                      -North Vietnamese withdrawal
                      -Vietcong
                      -Ceasefire
                      -US withdrawal
                            -Lack of deadline
     -New York Times article
          -Content
                 -Support for the President
          -Editorial, January 30, 1972

Malraux dinner
     -Timing

Malraux
     -Qualifications
          -Compared to China scholars
     -The President’s previous meeting in Paris
                                        42

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 661-11 (cont.)


     -French
     -Writings
          -Les Voix Du Silence (1951)
     -Health
     -Writings about the Long March

Yevgeny Yevtushenko
    -Possible meeting with the President
         -Public relations
         -Relationship with liberals
         -View of Soviet Union
               -Dobrynin
         -Effect on the Chinese
         -Schedule
               -New York
         -Timing

National Security Council [NSC] meeting
     -Attendance
           -John B. Connally
     -Timing
           -Testimony

Yevtushenko meeting, February 3, 1972
     -White House Conference on Drug Abuse
          -Athletes
               -Reception

Alsop
     -Support for the President
          -The President’s November 3, 1969 speech
                -Effect on Establishment
          -Remarks at dinner at W[illiam] Averell Harriman’s residence
          -Forthcoming article
                -Possible effect

Vietnam negotiations
     -Democratic reactions
          -Public relations
     -October 1970 proposals
          -North Vietnamese reaction
                                             43

                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 661-11 (cont.)


                -Special circumstances
                -Democrats’ tactics
                      -Congress
           -Kissinger’s possible talk with Michael J. Mansfield
                -Later PRC trip
                -North Vietnam ‘s reaction to peace proposals
                -Details of US proposals
                      -William J. Porter
           -Kissinger’s talk with Alsop
                -North Vietnam’s reaction to November 20, 1971 meeting proposal
                      -Possible reason
                            -Congress’s shutoff of foreign aid
                                  -June, August 1971 offers
           -North Vietnamese press conference
                -Tone
                -Substance
                      -Secrecy
                      -Difference between public and private stances
                -Media coverage
           -Kissinger press conference
           -Ziegler

     The President’s schedule
          -Malraux

Kissinger left at 5:48 pm.

     PRC trip
         -Meeting between the President and State Department experts
              -Value
              -Timing
                   -Study of papers

Haldeman left at an unknown time before 5:49 pm.