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Nixon & Bull on William P. Rogers and Police funerals

Wednesday, February 2, 1972 · 9:13 AM–9:14 AM ET · Oval Office

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation664-004 on Tape 664 (tape position 00:18:38–00:19:11)StartWednesday, February 2, 1972 at 9:13 AMEndWednesday, February 2, 1972 at 9:14 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 664-004 ↗

President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull discussed the tactical handling of Secretary of State William Rogers regarding his involvement in the funeral arrangements for fallen New York City police officers Gregory P. Foster and Rocco Laurie. Nixon sought to manage Rogers’ public position to prevent negative press coverage and potential internal dissent from within the State Department. The President concluded that while Rogers' attendance would be strategically beneficial, he preferred not to force the issue if Rogers remained reluctant.

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18:40What's your judgment then about us taking on or not?
18:44I think what we've done now, but leave it at that.
18:48And if Rogers doesn't want to do it, I wouldn't break his arm.
18:53I think it'd be important, the reason it'd be important for Rogers to do it is to get him positioned so that he can't, and his people, his people can't go piss on him.
19:05That's true.
19:07The way they did in Newsweek.

On February 2, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:13 am and 9:14 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 664-004 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 664-4

Date: February 2, 1972
Time: Unknown between 9:13 am and 9:14 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

     [Funeral for Gregory P. Foster and Rocco Laurie]
          -Telephone list
                -Operators

Bull left at an unknown time before 9:14 am.
  • 020-016 8:51 AM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 8:51 am and 9:10 am.
  • 020-017 9:10 AM · 58 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles S. Gubser talked on the telephone from 9:10 am to 9:13 am.
  • 664-002 9:10 AM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles S. Gubser met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:10 am to 9:13 am.
  • 020-018 9:13 AM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 9:13 am and 9:14 am.
  • 664-003 9:13 AM · 34 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:13 am and 9:14 am.
  • 020-019 9:14 AM · 47 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Thomas N. Downing talked on the telephone from 9:14 am to 9:15 am.
  • 664-005 9:14 AM · 46 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Thomas N. Downing met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:14 am to 9:15 am.
  • 664-006 9:15 AM · 49 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Ronald L. Ziegler, Henry A. Kissinger, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:15 am to 10:05 am.

Conversation 664-004, February 2, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/664-004 (accessed October 12, 2026).