Nixon, Colson & Haldeman on ITT controversy

0:02or let me find out, let me find out about it.
0:05I think we'll find that that is the most that anybody could ever do.
0:10The thing we've got to do, Mr. President, we're just an area.
0:15We're just going to stay with it full time, just to keep hammering away.
0:18I talked to Bob Griffin today.
0:21I gave him three important points, which the same ones I gave you, Vice President, to take after the break.
0:27And Bob said...
0:29He said, is that true?
0:30Is our assistant minority leader?
0:34I said, yes, it's true.
0:35And he said, well, I'll do a speech.
0:38The difficulty is our side isn't as free.
0:41But when you talk to them and you explain the nature of the contribution, the absence of any evidence of wrongdoing, and the fact that this was a damn tough settlement, then we get our goals.
0:51Basically, I think the lack of one is important.
0:56I think if we get Judge McLaren on Meet the Press on Sunday, he might make those very points.
1:15He's good.
1:16He's good, but he's totally honest, totally doctrinaire, totally fanatic in regard to this sort of thing.
1:22He really is.
1:23He believes it.
1:24He's not my friend.
1:25I'm not going to do anything.
1:27He's very accurate.
1:28He's very accurate.
1:29He knows that one.
1:33But he's good at it, so he thinks it's good to never get it wrong.
1:38Jim, this is, I think, a good friend.
1:40We'll give it a whirl of this.
1:43I would just say this one final thing.
1:44One of the biggest surprises to me in this event, fortunately for me, it came home in the first month of my working for you, is this, is that it's incredibly incredible to me how the government is unable to draw together the various aspects of a thing like this quickly and be able to react quickly.
2:06Because in the end, I think we're going to look back and see that that's the answer to the way these things got into runaway conditions.
2:13But for some reason, we didn't know the facts until we were scared to listen to some of the information.
2:19I see your point.
2:20With Wilson out there in the bushes, I guess, were you worried about that?
2:25What else?
2:25Well, the Attorney General got me one night at home, but when this first broke at about 11 o'clock, I came in to meet with him.
2:32We set out that night, and we started discovering
2:36that there's 20 people involved, and we were, we figured we better talk to everybody before we jump really headlong in.
2:45You know, a lot of folks here have been involved in the Conventional Regents.
2:49Sure.
2:50A lot of people have been involved in the Antitrust Policy Study of the United States.
2:54That's right, that's right.
2:57And the first litigation we've had, of course, we didn't.
3:00It wasn't until Dick went to the hearings to be resumed that we thought we had a problem.
3:05At that point, the other side had pretty well lined up.
3:07In retrospect, you think he was correct?
3:11Yes, because I think it would have happened anyway.
3:14I don't think they would have been correct.
3:19You don't agree with Raul Johnson that he has some chance for confirmation?
3:23I think his chance is 50-50.
3:24At that time?
3:25Yes.
3:28Unless he's pregnant.
3:29Which should, yeah.
3:31But let me say, he's not going to be withdrawing.
3:34I shouldn't be able to fight it till hell freezes over.
3:36I shouldn't be.
3:36I'm not going to bully him passionately.
3:40I'm not going to cheat on him.
3:42Oh, I agree.
3:43Completely.
3:45And I have an honest man, Larry, here.
3:47The other thing I was going to say is that I can't do it.
3:53I don't know how we would separate her ever again.
3:55This group and this group.
3:56I don't think, I don't see any way that she would do it.
4:01She, she could do it.
4:03She would.
4:04That's what I'm still afraid that she's, I wonder if Louie and I, I think he was pretty close to her in many ways.
4:13He must have met you.
4:14He was down at the band party.
4:18But look, there,
4:19It wasn't heated, and that's where they all met, and they're sucking dirt like this.
4:23You know, that's what's ridiculous is the conversation is supposed to change.
4:27I went to that party once.
4:29Horrible.
4:30I told them, I said, you have 300 people that are drinking toddies, and you don't know how much that they drink.
4:38And then you're just reeling around in the morning.
4:41Those people drink in the morning.
4:42Always looks sillier than even at night.
4:45And the idea that she had a serious conversation with John Mitch or anybody else at that party is ridiculous.
4:51Impossible.
4:53Impossible.
4:53And that's where she's supposed to have the conversation.
4:55That's right.
4:56That is an easier thing to do.
4:59And if you know Mitch, if you know very well that he's going to have a serious conversation with anybody at the party.
5:05No.
5:06Just look at him.
5:13As we get into the election year, we're going to have to jump on these fans.
5:18This one, they had a head start on us before we really knew what was happening.
5:21We didn't know what was happening.
5:22Well, I don't know.
5:24It's a stupid question.
5:26The other part of the question is, by Saturday, we had five weeks fighting back.
5:33Friday was it, but...
5:35But the press was building it, was grinding some of the fences.
5:39Actually, his first two days on the stand was superb.
5:42Yeah.
5:43But it didn't... You mean last week?
5:46Yes, well, the first, let's see, when did he go up?
5:48The first day that he was testified, which was a Thursday, wasn't it?
5:53Yes.
5:56It was a weekend night in Florida.
5:57Yes, it is.
5:57Because it was that night that I wanted to mention it was his first day.
6:01He was hitting it right out of the ballpark.
6:03Well, I appreciate you doing that.
6:04It's a lively interest for us in this camp.
6:11It's a lively interest for us to, of course, try to understand around here.
6:18But we'll fight with the game, too, one day.
6:25You asked Ken when we first came out, Mr. President, if I'd sell it in a month.
6:28I used to consider myself a hardy, tough nut cutter, but this photo... Do you know what you mean?
6:32Yeah, he puts me to shame once he puts me to shame.
6:34Well, that's sort of the story.
6:36We're supposed to be objective members of the press and deliberately involved.
6:47Well, very much.
6:49It's under the guise of objectivity, obviously.
7:05Well, I don't feel much like sitting around getting hit in the head.
7:08I'd like to give it a few licks ourselves, and that's what we're trying to do.
7:14Your best hope at the present time, dear beard, dear beard secretary, well, and who else?
7:19You've got somebody to testify to that effect.
7:25Uh, and, uh, who else do you see?
7:26You can't, I don't see any witnesses, Judge, or, you know.
7:29No?
7:29No, he won't testify, I'm sure.
7:31Unless the investigator, the secretary, will never get it.
7:35Uh, I think I would put on Anderson, Secretary, if I could ever get it, because you can't do any harm.
7:39That's right.
7:40We're going to try to get it.
7:40Well, I'd put her off.
7:41I'd put her on if she might give evidence.
7:43Well, we found this evidence, that Anderson last week said that he would ask, do you have any relationship with the appearance of lobbyists and...
7:52Jack Anderson, our natural ally.
7:54So we found out that on the 27th of January of this year, he attended a party with Peter Beard at the Carleton Hotel for the bartending that Peter Beard put up.
8:04So we should recognize the bartenders.
8:06You know, Peter was, you know, she spent so much time with him, she'd be hollowing away for it.
8:12Well, she was a regular customer.
8:15And there's a pattern of information that we think we can develop.
8:22We're going to try to kill.
8:23If we can get her, we'll get on the stand.
8:27Conceivably, she might be scared to purge it herself.
8:30If we bring the secretary back from Toronto, if Dita Beard breaks down and tells the truth,
8:38We had all the testimony of the people in the ITT office, but they never saw this moment.
8:43Her story, her original story, falls apart.
8:46She says she handed it to Marion.
8:48The law groups at Marion wasn't in the office that day.
8:50It wasn't physically present.
8:54She said she stood over her secretary and dictated it.
8:56Her secretary said that's not true, that she never dictated it.
9:00She typed it up and gave it to her.
9:03Uh, they're just in many holes here, and if any one of them opens up, then we are able to find who did write that one off.
9:11Well, the damn thing wasn't even typed in the Secretary's typewriter when you checked in.
9:14Well, that, they first said no, and then I come back and said yes.
9:17Wow.
9:18So that's been established.
9:20So then how is it that the Secretary says that she can't remember having typed this particular part?
9:25Well, how did they only get it in there then?
9:27Beat it very long back and put it in one day.
9:29Redid it on her own typewriter.
9:32Wow.
9:34That's what we, well, that's what you may think, but thank God, it's a very simple thing to prove if you haven't actually done that yet.
9:42In terms of what it was that, who typed it.
9:46It, you can easily prove, even if it's on the same typewriter, whether he or her typewriter did the typewriting, or rather, hell, I did all this in the his case.
9:57I said, well, does she touch it herself?
9:59Yes, because each person has a different touch and a typewriter.
10:02Is that true?
10:02I don't know what you're talking about.
10:04Any typewriter there is.
10:06Any typewriter there is.
10:07It can be proved.
10:08But the thing you do is to find something that you would hear this type herself.
10:14and checking on this to find something that her secretary has typed and checking against this, then you may find something interesting.
10:23Right?
10:23Not only the typewriters, which is the story of this case, not only the typewriters have characteristics, but the typists have characteristics.
10:30There's a little bit of pressure that's over this.
10:34It's not true.
10:35That's right.
10:36And you can also tell if one thing has been typed
10:38today and other things typed on the same page in the form.
10:41Now, who's working on the typewriting?
10:43So let's get at it.
10:44Did I get some work on that?
10:45That's physical evidence that you can prove.
10:47That's the investigators, and that's what the intel was supposed to be.
10:50I don't know if they're asking those specific questions now, but let's find out what you think.
10:54It's like, all right, who was this type?
10:57I did it here.
10:57Or was it type of the secretary?
10:59Now, the secretary typed it, and forget it.
11:01She's bad with it.
11:02She just had a bad memory.
11:03On the other hand, it was Peter Beard who typed it.
11:06And you've got a location of the town on there.
11:09I don't know, maybe a back trail.
11:11That's where it's going after.
11:13I would hope that they had this thing now for four days.
11:16I would hope they'd look at that.
11:18I haven't asked them that question.
11:20I hope they're going to investigate, because that is the simplest thing.
11:26Good God, if I could do it 25 years ago in this case, we don't have nearly the technical things we have.
11:31Now these guys should do it today.
11:33So we broke the case?
11:34The firm that we brought in, Mr. President, is the same one that proved the accused, the related fraud.
11:41But don't you agree that typing is so sensitive that you can tell that an individual is typing using exactly the same typewriter?
11:55What you need is what you've got to use to see what the individual is on that same typewriter.
12:00Well, let's run that one out.
12:04I don't know if you've got anything else either here, but I'd like you to find a letter.
12:09Oh, yes.
12:10Do we know what we used?
12:11We used what really sucked the history.
12:13The interesting thing was that Priscilla did tie it into a thing and tried to deny it.
12:20Unfortunately for her, on that same typewriter, the old Woodstock, written
12:27an application for her child to go to a prep school.
12:30We found the letter.
12:32Having found the letter, we checked it.
12:35It was the same typewriter.
12:37And it was the same typecut to the same typewriter, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
12:41You counted it.
12:42Well, there's also misspelling in this letter.
12:46That's a word that is commonly misspelled, commitment.
12:50And the secretary being a secretary, checking other things she had done.
12:57She doesn't still commit with the way it's said in this letter.
13:00That's important.
13:01That would not be decisive.
13:03If I could see it, I could say, well, I just misspelled it this time.
13:06But believe me, you check the type.
13:08Let's get these typewriting experts together on this one.
13:11You know what you should do, Carol, is get them over here, get them, meet them somewhere, so they're not over here.
13:17Meet them somewhere.
13:18Don't meet them in any place.
13:19Just get them to go.
13:21But I think you ought to just check that out.
13:24I have a feeling it's a fraud, too, wouldn't you say?
13:26Yes, I do.
13:26Is that your feeling, your gut reaction?
13:29That is my reaction, and I think our investigators feel that someone else inside of ITT may be responsible.
13:34Well, that would be, with what motive?
13:37Somebody trying to get rid of you?
13:38That's right.
13:39But here to watch the prophecy, oh God, what a lousy damn thing.
13:45That's right.
13:45One of the things I said, what did he, what's his name?
13:48Marion.
13:48Marion?
13:50Could be, but I doubt it.
13:52Because Bill...
13:52I don't know any of these people, but I just wonder.
13:55No, I don't know Bill.
13:55I didn't touch anyone, everybody.
13:57He's not, Bill isn't writing them to you, but he wouldn't count them this way.
14:02He wouldn't conspire this way.
14:03No.
14:04Never underestimate the ability of the human animal to conspire this way.
14:10Truth of that.
14:11Oh wait, that one is just full of the snakes, my guess.
14:20Well, this particular company has picked up more angers out of the disease.
14:25They just, every damn...
14:30Yeah, that's a very close date.
14:33And talking with the investigator.
14:34And you do say this was typed on the secretary's typewriter.
14:37How the hell did he get it?
14:38He got into her office and typed it on the typewriter.
14:42It's not a matter of getting into her office.
14:44She'd come in on a Saturday or Sunday, any day that the office is closed.
14:47The other curious thing that my experience to my theory is that she never was in that office on a Saturday in her whole career at IT&P until January 22nd of this year.
14:57And this was when it was supposed to be typed?
14:59Well, yeah.
15:00She went out on Saturday for an hour on Saturday afternoon, and that's unusual.
15:06It's unusual.
15:06She never did.
15:07Five days later was the party for the bartender.
15:10Did she know?
15:10Yes.
15:11Did she know that we know that she was in the office on Saturday afternoon?
15:15Yes, sir.
15:15Or you said so?
15:16No, no.
15:17She was logged in by the security guard in the building.
15:20So that's when you think the job was done?
15:23That's what I think it was done.
15:25By her.
15:26Could have been done by her.
15:27Could have been done by somebody else.
15:33Oh, so here it hangs.
15:35Here it hangs.
15:36And you're not going to be able to prove anything.
15:38So what do they do?
15:38Just go on?
15:40Continue to have hearings?
15:41Well, I have two months.
15:42No, let monkeys die.
15:44No, we just can't afford that.
15:45We can't afford that at all.
15:47Sir, they won't do that, Mr. President, in the sense that they're going to look at what it's worth to them, which is over the next two weeks, if we don't turn it around.
15:56And then they'll drop it.
15:57And let monkeys stay on the Senate calendar for as long as they feel like it.
16:01Sure.
16:02But we've got to turn it around, either by discrediting the case or by just every day having our fellas bat back at them.
16:13It's tough because the- They won't do it.
16:15Well, we'll get our guys to do it, but- That's all, they won't get covered.
16:19They won't get covered.
16:22I know.
16:22We need to try as hard as we can.
16:26Ken wrote a beautiful release for Bud Dole.
16:29We did get some coverage over the weekend, but the papers spiked about it.
16:32The Washington Post didn't credit it.
16:35The Times didn't.
16:52Yes, on his request to find hold of the vessel.
16:54What do you see with that great scramble to give all the money that he can use?
16:57They're afraid after that.
16:58Sure.
16:58Well, I appreciate your comments.
17:00I know that you're not going to be able to break it, believe me, unless you get evidence that will make the press look bad, because it's not there yet.
17:23Well, they've been looking hard for about three months to sign it.
17:26Well, that's about the way you take it.
17:27You have to take it in the meantime.
17:29We're going to have a decent man kill him.
17:32That's what we're really concerned about.
17:37Yeah.
17:37I mean, he's right.
17:38Do you want the jury?
17:39Yes.
17:39You can kill us on another two or three months.
17:41I had him over here Friday night to talk about that statement.
17:45He's a different man.
17:49His mind isn't working well.
17:51You can see that he's just emotional.
17:53And he's a strong man, too.
17:57Yeah, but you know that.
17:58You know what hurts the most is a charge that's false.
18:02And if you're guilty of something, it's a funny thing, if you're able in some way to build up barriers, I guess, that are defenses that the Coral Foundation knows are goddamn outrageous, is what the hell is wrong here?
18:13And I wrote a little letter to James.
18:17A little letter, because his...
18:22I'm afraid his morale was down.
18:25He wasn't thinking clearly, and he was... Must resign.
18:29Just kind of bewildered about it.
18:31That's what everybody's first temptation is, to resign.
18:41You know, you look back, it's a very different kind of a case, and I never forget a lot of guys talking about it.
18:52And, of course, Adams, who was a poor man, took medicine.
18:57And Jerry Burson said, the second part was, it was a cheat bike, and I was good with it.
19:01But nevertheless, Tyson, I think, had a terrible heat.
19:05It was a bad year for him.
19:07He had his stroke.
19:07And it was a bad year, even on the only, all the rest of them.
19:11Everybody was jumping on all the Adams, including Sons, Raiders, and the rest of them.
19:23Well, my view of him was probably the same.
19:31I mean, certainly, that was foolish.
19:37But he was not real.
19:40You couldn't touch that guy.
19:43Well, he was no friend of mine, but I knew about him.
19:48Before I start, I don't know Christ, but it's a terrible thing to see a man destroyed when he is not really guilty.
19:58When they're guilty, I will put capital punishment.
20:02But when they're not guilty, if I've got on him for attacking the attackers, that's what people is going to do.
20:08Go ahead and cut your balls off.
20:18Thank you for having me in.
20:19Well, good.
20:20Have fun.
20:20Glad to be with you.
20:21Don't let it soften you up, you know.
20:23I always got to get the name back.
20:25I don't want to get you out after all of this trouble.
20:29I heard you three times.
20:29Thank you.
20:30They may take you back.
20:32No, sir.
20:32I signed on for the full five years.
20:34Well, call me all right.
20:37We'll take you back.
20:39All right.
20:40I just wanted to mention this person, Jack Innes, and got invited to do a...
20:48I used to do this.
20:50I would have thought they would have done very poorly if I was to do that because they were really admiring that much.
21:00Well, he's not one of your fellows.
21:03Well, it seems to me that they just had near impossible to get any emphasis in the job.
21:09No, I don't think so.
21:11I know you were.
21:11I certainly began to work in this typewriting thing.
21:15Well, they did.
21:18Well, we're going to work on that site.
21:22I say it's old stuff.
21:24Well, I didn't know what to ask them.
21:27But they may work on it.
21:29The thing that goes back to his day, Mr. President, is that they entertained him, which is a very good idea.
21:37He is now convinced they said that the metal was ruined.
21:45And I've been, I've been positive of that for a week now.
21:47I don't know how they've proven it because I haven't, or what proof they have because I haven't gotten their report.
21:52I have to deal secure so either Ken kills him to a friend of his, any of them.
22:00Yeah.
22:01Or I get to my team.
22:02Well, I'm just going to identify you.
22:03I'm really weak.
22:04I'm sorry.
22:07It seems to be leveling mainly toward climate change.
22:11I don't see much of a press attacking the president on that.
22:16I think they're a little afraid of that.
22:18They don't really believe that, or do they?
22:20I don't know.
22:23Your point is they're afraid.
22:24Anderson may have just started last week breaking a big precedent, but I think they're definitely afraid of it.
22:33And I couldn't, they aren't going to do that.
22:35It's going to be, the fellow that got arrested, and I don't want to say this in front of Kim, because I don't tell them everything that I know.
22:44They're going to love those admissions.
22:47They're going to love those admissions.
22:50And the reason that we didn't fight back as fast as we normally would... We did not fight back.
22:56You're joking.
22:58Well, I spent the night where it was stressful to visit until about 3 or 4 in the morning.
23:03And the more that I talked to them, and the more that I gathered our files, the less inclined I was to...
23:12I didn't want to jump back and eventually say something that could lead to the impeachment.
23:16Yeah, well, let's face it, Mitchell was, did disqualify himself in the case.
23:23I don't know whether he knew about the contribution.
23:26Well, you see, there's a memorandum that he had a copy of that disclosed the details of the contribution well before the ITP settled.
23:33Oh.
23:34And the National knew about the contribution?
23:36Well, they were never going to do anything to do with the settlement.
23:39That was an idiot at that time.
23:43I don't know.
23:43I mean, he better.
23:46Because everybody was telling him to get the damn case settled.
23:49That's all everybody was telling him to do.
23:51Get the goddamn thing done.
23:53Remember, everybody were planning it.
23:56When I wrote it in here, day after day, I wrote myself the role.
24:01You remember it.
24:03Oh, I remember.
24:04I remember the detail.
24:06But the problem is...
24:07I don't want to mention any trouble there.
24:12Well, that's... As I say, the reason, and I didn't say this with Ken here, I wouldn't, but the reason that the person...
24:21Yes, sir.
24:24Well, he's going to have to admit that he had a meeting with Jimmy, which, see, he's already said publicly he didn't.
24:32He said publicly that I disqualified myself from the case.
24:35When did he have a meeting?
24:371970, August 4th.
24:37After he disqualified himself?
24:39Well, after.
24:41But what the hell did he have a meeting about?
24:47Well, he will say that they discussed really the policy issue involved in it.
24:53Prosecuting and any trespassing on the grounds of Bigness alone.
24:58That's right.
24:58That's all.
24:59That's all.
24:59That's all the reason I think we ever did discuss the cases.
25:01You know, Mitch never got into lots and lots of cases.
25:04I know.
25:04Yeah, I'm kidding.
25:05He's right.
25:06We were all, you remember, we sat at that.
25:08You were in the meeting here when we discussed this business.
25:10Business alone is not a reason to have it.
25:12That's what the fire was all about.
25:15We see it right here.
25:16First of all, it was the only thing I ever had to do.
25:19In fact, we never discussed that case.
25:21No, we were very careful when we discussed that case.
25:25Yeah, I didn't know.
25:26But what does Mitchell say?
25:28Well, Mitchell, all he can say is that he discussed it as a policy issue.
25:31The trouble is that will...
25:33He can say that Janine raised it with him when he said, oh, we're discussing policy.
25:38Yeah, which is...
25:38He mentioned that eventually they discussed the case.
25:40Right.
25:41So then what happens?
25:45That's all that we think will come out of it.
25:47If Reineke's statement that he told Mitchell about the $400,000...
25:52private settlement is effectively repudiated, and why he has repudiated himself publicly.
26:00He must be stupid.
26:01Oh, Jesus.
26:02Unbelievably stupid.
26:04He's always the one who's stupid.
26:05I don't think that's stupid.
26:07No, no question about it.
26:09And...
26:10Sorry.
26:11What...
26:11I think it's genre.
26:12He's such a celebrity.
26:15Well, I think it would... No, I think it would be...
26:17The problem is that...
26:19You can't tell any of these, I mean, it's preposterous to think of a clue for a clue.
26:24The problem is that you keep showing evidence that... Not that you didn't talk to everybody, John.
26:31Oh, my God.
26:32If John didn't talk to Blanigan, did he talk to you?
26:36No, he didn't.
26:37You're looking at where?
26:38Where?
26:39John's office on the, you know, August of 1970.
26:42And John came down to talk to me about the general problem.
26:47Right.
26:49and get McLaren in line.
26:53That's the only thing we were ever trying to do.
26:57Well, interestingly, I got out from Janine, and I've asked her to put this out today, that he saw a Jack Brooks, Congressman Delcar from Texas.
27:05He saw a Vance Harkey.
27:07He saw a Phil Hart.
27:09He saw a Manny Sella.
27:10He saw a Peter Radina.
27:12So he not only fed with everybody in the administration, he fed with every Democrat on Capitol Hill.
27:22So it's, the only thing that has made me feel as the first few days that Mitchell Brown had posted the very damaging files that we were able to, some of which we have- Whose files?
27:38Both some of the lawyers and I can't get yours up.
27:42No, I mean, I'm talking about, you mean the.
27:44Well, our clients have been hearing the violence.
27:46How the hell are they going to get those in there?
27:48They're not going to be able to get those, are they?
27:51No, they can't get ours, but the question would be whether.
27:54Whether or not they're not planning to talk to them, whether or not you talk to them, whether or not I'm ready to talk to them, it's true.
28:00Right.
28:01But don't you just say yes?
28:03He came in, we saw him, we said it's a matter for the Justice Department to know about it.
28:07I just want to tell you, what I'm talking about is our memorandum from the White House to the Justice Department saying do this or don't do that.
28:16Not that there's anything in America that's wrong with that.
28:19That isn't the problem.
28:20The problem is that it merely enables them to build a case on the Hill if those files still exist in justice.
28:29In addition to which, the IT and T models are devastating some.
28:34Because Janine is the kind of woman who can come in and talk to you for an hour, and you can sit loud saying a word, and give her back and say, I really stole so-and-so.
28:45Someone's always going to help us.
28:48You mean what you're talking about by files?
28:54You mean from you, your justice?
28:59No.
28:59So far, the only ones I have are...
29:02Yes, sir.
29:03No.
29:03Not in the case.
29:05You're right in the case.
29:09Yes, sir.
29:14But nothing that you would care about.
29:17I mean, nothing that wouldn't be a fairly normal practice if you had a major...
29:22If you have a case, Mr. President, that is landmark anti-crisis law, that represents the policy of the administration, do you pursue maintenance or don't you?
29:31Sure.
29:32Which we have decided not to pursue.
29:34Sure.
29:34I understand there was something from Connelly or to him or something.
29:38Meeting with Connelly.
29:39Who met?
29:40She did.
29:44When was it ended, and when?
29:45Well, all of these meetings took place between July 1970 and July 1971, over a 12-month period.
29:51So he met on the phone?
29:53Yes, sir.
29:53He probably put that on his phone.
29:58And Garrity met with Agnew.
29:59And that's when the phone rang.
30:01Who's Garrity?
30:02Ned Garrity.
30:02He's their senior vice president.
30:05He met with the place person.
30:06Yeah.
30:07Now all of that is in a file of this team.
30:11That's what Kennedy's next on call on all these reasons.
30:14Yeah, I think he knows.
30:16He can't call that.
30:17I think he knows that there's more there than he's able to get his hands on.
30:21Or maybe he's been leaked some things.
30:24But the SEC files, they had seen it in the turf.
30:29But thus far, ICT has not given them and probably will not give them until we see them soon.
30:38Let me prove all the good gentlemen around to the door.
30:41You see, we find that it's inevitable, inevitable, inevitable.
30:43It's perfectly legitimate, perfectly right.
30:47And we've got files, that's high, and company after company, and that's all there is to it.
30:51And all, and so what makes this matter?
30:53One stinking goddamn contribution to Bob Wilson's silly committee.
30:58I think that's exactly what it is.
30:59That's all there is to it, and the goddamn, I think the mistake is made, if I may say so, is that, and I must say, I,
31:08I spoke to Pastor Hall and raised this point and strongly recommend against it.
31:14Since somebody had said to him, I think it was that student of mine, that we ought to return the congregation.
31:19I promise you.
31:21That's more important to say that.
31:25The more important argument is that we don't give a goddamn what to do with Cynthia.
31:37We really don't.
31:38But there were memoranda from people in the White House who
31:45mentioned predating the itt settlement that deal with the specifics of the convention financing including itt and the trouble is that copies of those things
32:01They were just reporting what San Diego was talking about.
32:07But the point is that they were passing information around.
32:14All these damn people with their hands in the air.
32:24So they'll be...
32:25I don't know.
32:25I don't frankly know how you can possibly get the jury knocked off after shot running.
32:32It's just going to go on and on.
32:34It'll go on and on.
32:35I'm glad you didn't break one of these witnesses.
32:40We really need to be hard-headed about it.
32:42To be absolutely realistic.
32:44We have two ways to go.
32:46We have the way of fighting back every day.
32:49And just raise hell.
32:52claim smear, claim innuendos.
32:54That's one way.
32:55The other way is a dramatic break in the case.
32:59And we're either going to get that through Dita Beard, Jack Anderson's secretary, or the one possibility, the other possibility is at the right time, we still might want to bring Clint East out publicly to say, look, my confirmation is one thing, but all these other people...
33:23And that would have a very dramatic effect.
33:27Dick didn't have the heart for it.
33:29But he made it better as he puts himself in the store and resigns?
33:33No, no, he would give that impression.
33:36He would say, I really don't give a damn.
33:40And Harry's not?
33:41I think he would get a lot of senators who would say, well, this poor bastard's taken just enough punishment.
33:49If you did it at the right time, if you did it when they had really carried it just almost a step too far, as they did Thursday, I think.
33:56Thursday and Friday, they were almost going too far.
33:59You notice a very interesting thing.
34:02I think you'll learn more from the other side of the election.
34:05Not one of them has spoken on this IPP case since Friday.
34:08I think they know that on Friday, they almost overreached.
34:13They almost got to the point where they were.
34:15They dragged your name in fourth-hand here, Serge.
34:18They had anybody in check?
34:19Yes, sir.
34:20Jerry Ford?
34:21Yeah, I mentioned him.
34:22Mitchell did?
34:22He was a party member.
34:24Well, Ford didn't, and Scott was going to do it today.
34:26I don't know whether he has to.
34:28He promised he would.
34:30But Ford put out a nut cover yesterday.
34:32Just where he stole it.
34:34I can see the problem.
34:36In other words, there's just too many people in the thing, and that's just unfortunate.
34:40So, but you know, Chuck, that's going to be true of anything they bring up.
34:43We've got memoranda all over the place here.
34:45I mean, they're case after case.
34:47In fact, it's one of the reasons that I wanted to find them and knock off those business emergencies happening.
34:53I think you should knock those off.
34:55They're going to flare up, you know.
34:56Well, those haven't been business.
34:57They've been labor.
34:58I know.
34:59I don't think we should have anything going.
35:04From now on, from now on, I would have nothing of that sort.
35:08You understand?
35:09We should have no big business involved at all.
35:11I don't think he should.
35:12No.
35:13He should again be seen with the NAM.
35:14Not in my fault.
35:15Don't worry about it.
35:16But I don't want to get such a reason.
35:18I don't want anybody to get a reason.
35:20I just wouldn't have any big businessmen in the White House.
35:22Screw them.
35:23They can't be for us now.
35:24They owe it.
35:25Do you know why?
35:27The only political... We're not going to be hurt by this on the question of honesty or dishonesty because no one in here has been...
35:34I mean, no one in the administration has done anything dishonest.
35:36That's our vulnerability.
35:38And you'll see.
35:40Well, I don't know if we'll be hurt that much.
35:44I think the people who charge that...
35:46There are people who aren't with us anyway.
35:48There is that issue.
35:49And, of course, they're challenging it.
35:56But wait until Muskie reveals his finances this week.
35:59He's very clever, though.
36:00He's only revealing what he's trying to do.
36:02In general, that'll allow all of his, you know, put all of his, you know, prostitutes, you know, it's easy.
36:08We can't reveal ours, actually, though.
36:10And have no reason to.
36:12I think you're simply saying that we'll comply with the law, and the president is not campaigning in any of these frameworks, period.
36:20Absolutely.
36:21Let's take a hard line.
36:23We're going to comply with the law on that one.
36:26And if there's any question on that, we will totally reply.
36:29We will start at 8.07.
36:31That's what I told him to do.
36:34Now, that's the only...
36:35If I get the names out before you have to.
36:38That's right.
36:38Clawson came up with a great idea.
36:40He's got the press.
36:41He's already alerted a couple of friends in the press through intermediaries to make the point that must be his hiding several of his contributions that we know about that he won't report.
36:56uh and they didn't get that question in the press and the outside was willing to report something can we have anybody been through that yes sir yes sir i've got a fellow who has known muskie for years he's traveling and keeps me fully posted
44:23Oh, the next week, on Tuesday, or on Wednesday, the Hampshire became the lead.
44:28On Thursday, the Barnes became the lead.
44:32Frankly, the Parish Channel, I think.
44:35The Parish Channel was the best year of the week, I'm sorry.
44:38I think the IT&T thing is, oh, that would be Holly Henshaw, there it is.
44:45No, but I can remember in the Sherman Adams case, I used to curse with what Rick Sullivan was doing.
44:50Right.
44:50And being in this city, you...
44:53They're terribly sensitive to it, but you get out beyond, and it's not the same.
44:57I had a very unpleasant role in there, Eisenhower.
45:00Couldn't bring himself to talk when I had to.
45:05But be that as it may, I'm sure he's never been, because he can't be to go beyond.
45:10But if I point it instead, it was a mistake.
45:13But going back, it was a mistake, because after all, Davidson fought and died for Eisenhower.
45:21He was a cold...
45:23And very, very, frankly, mean man.
45:26And probably deserved what he got.
45:28I mean, deserved what he got in terms of people turning on him, like Bridges Hayden.
45:34Probably for all reasons, jealousy.
45:35But the point is that Damon Adams was an honest man.
45:39And it was wrong to drive him out of government with a cloud over his head.
45:44Do you agree or not?
45:45I agree.
45:46I agree with the facts.
45:47I still disagree.
45:49Evan's one problem with this person was that he knew goddamn well that nothing would get to him, see?
45:55And he wouldn't do anything in front of him.
45:56And he was so sure of this that he didn't worry about the appearance.
46:00That's right.
46:01And it just goes like that.
46:03All the people began to be mixed up with this shoddy, frantic cop.
46:08So, I never messed with him.
46:09Apparently, he was a terrible...
46:10He knew everybody by the name of the cop.
46:13You know, a big thing for everybody.
46:14You know, some of our, some of our, our, we're just doing, some of our Jewish friends, they have to pay a lot.
46:22They think they want to buy you with something.
46:25It's in their favor.
46:26Poor old house.
46:27No, it was wrong.
46:29It was wrong.
46:30They want you.
46:32It's a very wrong thing to do.
46:36I'm sorry about it.
46:38But we're not going to do it.
46:39Let me get up.
46:39Let me get up.
46:40Let me get up.
46:41you're more parallel with that case well except if i might not say it if i dropped the climbing shoes with taylor's hearing i'd do it he wouldn't but this hearing is going to go on and on and on if you would have dropped climbing sisters he would be for the rest of this year
47:03The finance issue would be very much alive because it would be an admission.
47:06It would still be an issue.
47:08Let it be.
47:09We'll say they're smearing.
47:10We've got a yellow smear.
47:12Just call it a smear.
47:13Christ, look at McCartney.
47:18How they destroyed McCartney.
47:19The facts.
47:20Hell no.
47:21McCartney was right about at least half the stuff.
47:25They destroyed McCartney by screaming smear.
47:28They damn near destroyed me in the in his case, Stanley.
47:31What?
47:31Very true.
47:32And seven times in this office said, Rick Herring.
47:35Smeared.
47:36Smeared.
47:37Smeared.
47:38The Washington Post had it for us virtually every day the entire time.
47:42And then they pushed my arm.
47:43They had not only the hearings, but the trial for two years.
47:46And they were yelled and smeared.
47:48And then finally the typewriter convicted the son of a bitch.
47:52He was killed anyway.
47:53And I had to sell it.
47:55But otherwise, I would have gone down the tube.
47:58You see my wife?
47:59They used to talk to the facts in the S.K.
48:02case, anybody that read the first, his, Chambers' confrontation in that hotel room where he said, I had to see his teeth before I could recognize some of it, should talk to his dad.
48:13And, uh, that was fine.
48:16There's no question.
48:18But nevertheless, everybody who hits the line, everybody, but these, this press, 90% of
48:26They hated the committee so, they were so pro-its, and some of them, so soft on communists, that they, if I had to, it's a mock wonder that I survived, or how I survived, by God, by proving the case, let's say, to stay with it, and boy, I counted it.
48:46You talk about the old-timers in the press, that's why they hate my country.
48:50They know Scottie Rust.
48:51Deep down, it's his, but deep down, they know, they know.
48:56And you talk about the... Marcus Childs, he's in that crowd.
48:59Yeah, and a lot of the Jewish... Oh!
49:02For some reason, this was not Jewish.
49:04I don't know, they... Yeah, but that was one... A lot of that, a lot of that, remember, in the other part of the case...
49:15They were all Jewish.
49:16Lee Pressman, that whole gang were Jewish.
49:19It's not to prove anything, but I guess it's to do with those chambers.
49:29But we're all sympathetic to them.
49:32And partly because of the fact that our Jewish side is very pro-war, too.
49:36We don't depend on the Russians as a great patron.
49:39And so we became pro-communist for the wrong reason.
49:43There are other reasons to be pro-communist.
49:50Well, anyway, if you said those things in front of me, I'd let people get depressed and I'd let them get over it.
49:54It's not that the contacts remain out of proportion.
49:58Sure, they'll knock around, but you're not going to stand in your lane.
50:03Well, I know somebody was pointing out that they're in a lane where she was legally saying this isn't great, in effect, because this means it's not going to happen.
50:16No, no, no.
50:19Well, what stays out of China is much more important than what comes out of this case.
50:32What comes out of this case thus far is .
50:35But everybody expects that in the Republican administration.
50:39That doesn't shock many people.
50:42What came out of China was a different impression of you.
50:48I'm confident when Lou Harris gets back from London and gives me his detailed figures, we will find that we've had to have one hell of an increase in personal account with the chief.
50:58You couldn't- Some of the other polls I was about to even, just on the evening, which I know is interesting.
51:02I mean, some of the Minnesota polls say it's a running day, and even on the Minnesota polls, 5% off the NAR.
51:09That's right.
51:10And Bobby Green had it on the day, which went 41-41, which
51:15Great ship.
51:16Take the latest medical data, which is before China.
51:18Before China.
51:20Amazing.
51:21And one of these things.
51:25And then Harris drove about 9% over Muskegon, China.
51:30This is not bad.
52:28Certainly can't with this, and not with this case.
52:30Right now, we feel like we won't do much now.
52:35The reason I don't think Bust is something is that I'd like to general against him.
52:39I think he could make that Kennedy and Pye and Anderson.
52:42I have three new detectives.
52:44The main thing I want you to do is to check on them.
52:48There's a way to do that.
52:58This is actually pretty cool.
53:14I'm impressed with that following.
53:15He's fine.
53:17He's good.
53:17He's cussed out.
53:18He wants to do the job.
53:20Well, I get sorry he still isn't ready for the post.
53:22Maybe he didn't want to print his stuff.
53:23Maybe that's the problem.
53:25Well, they edited it out.
53:27He edited it out.
53:28He was doing other stuff.
53:31He's just a good straight, he's just a tough, good, hard-nosed employer.
53:35He's a hard, he's much better than Clark, because basically he's not so emotional.
53:41He's just a ruthless, tough guy, eye-to-eye, wants to win.
53:45Well, he also, again, he has that feel.
53:48He is.
53:50And he loves to pull in on fun things.
53:52He just relishes it.
53:55Okay, I call up to know that I have an idea, and just...
54:00Thank you, if you'd like that.
54:02Hello.
54:04I just wanted to be sure you knew that we called the governor's office.
54:13We announced today that the pandas were going to Washington.
54:17And that was fine.
54:18We wanted to squeeze some of the letters that were here.
54:22So not quite as old as it could be, but they had written this kind of letter.
54:27And so it's a good story.
54:29We have decided that you're not here.
54:34One thought that we thought was very good, when they get here, we don't want to hear stuff around the first of April here.
54:40We don't want to actually go out, you know.
54:45and to look and well to see whether they are the same kind of habitat basically and you know it's going to be a hell of a story when i start exploring uh victoria
55:13Okay, uh, I'm going to leave.
55:15I'm going to stay here tonight to work with Ehrlichman and, uh, and Martin on the Mustang statement, so I won't be over for dinner.
55:21So you can get something there on TV or something, or anything you like.
55:28Okay.
55:29I'll have to call you back.
55:35Okay.
55:35Bye.
55:35Collin was delighted that the key to scene invitation was all set to go, and then checked with his wife and found he couldn't send it.
55:41But he really appreciates it.
55:43And Mitchell is planning to go probably on the 23rd, which is when you're talking about going.
55:51Well, let's think for a week or a little more.
55:55Think a little bit.
55:57Let's see.
56:04Do you have any idea if I'd like to see the star on the page?
56:06See the what?
56:08The star on the front page.
56:09Anyway, they ran a box.
56:12I know they ran a box.
56:14They ran a box at the top of the page on the left-hand side and told the story about the mating and have a big picture of the panda.
56:25They mentioned the mating.
56:28Did the trikees know?
56:29Neither of us.
56:29They said someone said.
56:33Now he said someone said they have to learn how to make.
56:46But he can't.
56:46They have something Saturday night and something Sunday.
56:49And I know they're having dinner Friday night also because I'm going to up there.
56:54I'd like to get that.
56:57That's done.
56:58Vehicle 30.
56:59That's that.
57:00So we've got that.
57:17You know, I had a problem with the postman, kind of a problem.
57:22He said, like, when Mitchell was up against Friesen, that when he saw Janine, that was perfectly all right.
57:27Well, I don't see why that's any problem.
57:29Janine, he said he didn't see him.
57:30He said he didn't see him.
57:33Or did he have anything to do with the case?
57:34Well, he did.
57:35Janine is a man, my guess is, that it's impossible not to see.
57:38He probably came in and saw Mitchell.
57:41Well, he still didn't do anything with the case in the Justice Department.
57:45That's the point.
58:01with this damn thing.
58:02Oh, good.
58:03My Miranda.
58:05Huge.
58:05Curious attraction.
58:07With Miranda, regarding some special deal over there.
58:11Ten exhibit.
58:11We should have worked it out with Rex so that he, but it seems to me that I, I don't know.
58:22These pictures really aren't seen over here, except by our insiders.
58:26And God, I believe them.
58:27There's a bunch of all these pictures over there.
58:31Yeah, and all the other stuff.
58:35The menus, the chopsticks, they did pick up the menus.
58:38Oh, sure.
58:38Menus, the menus, the place cards, the chopsticks, the place cards, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
58:43Let's see.
58:44Degrees, et cetera.
58:53The last man in an Arab zoo died in 1953.
59:15Is it good, though, that I called in?
59:26Sir?
59:27I called in stars.
59:40There are all sorts of memoranda.
59:45There's one in early, my number's in early, blank, et cetera, et cetera, and I can get these files and so forth and so on.
59:56So what the hell is this?
59:57I mean, of course, this has been here all along.
59:59Everybody's...
1:00:03Well, and he talked, fortunately, talked to a lot of people, talked to everybody he could hold on to.
1:00:09He was fighting for what he wanted to do.
1:00:11Chuck says there's only one way to do it.
1:00:21First, I have said that we're not going to...
1:00:25You can't have the case to get the client east out of this area.
1:00:27The theory just doesn't work here.
1:00:29Well, he's talking, that was his theory way earlier.
1:00:32Well, it doesn't, he has a period.
1:00:33Because you drop him, you do two things.
1:00:35One, you make an innocent man go, and second, you don't stop the hearing.
1:00:38The second point is that you've got to try to discredit the thing.
1:00:42And so that's a long shot.
1:00:44You either do it through Beard, you do it through her secretary, or you do it through Jack Anderson's secretary, or you do it another way.
1:00:51The third thing is, of course,
1:00:53just continue to fight and yell, smear, and so forth, and the people get tired of the case, which they have actually will.
1:01:00My guess is I don't know.
1:01:03But I gave you one thing today that I would be shocked if they had not already done it.
1:01:08It seems to me that 10 days in the case, they haven't done this.
1:01:13They, investigators, even though they're supposed to be the ones who were
1:01:21Do you know about the characteristics of typewriters?
1:01:24Do you know that even some electric typewriter, an expert, can tell you whether it has been typed by one person or another?
1:01:34Yeah, they have a problem on some electrics.
1:01:37They can't on the select-o-matics.
1:01:38They can't on the electric typewriters.
1:01:41If you've done, if you pay them over, it's because of the pressures, the tiny pressures.
1:01:45You blow up that goddamn thing.
1:01:46The typewriter experts, they find out.
1:01:48Now, they say that...
1:01:52He said it was done on her typewriter?
1:02:08That's what they now say.
1:02:09That's the thing.
1:02:10I understand.
1:02:11But my point is, I said for Christ's sake, get those investigators checking immediately.
1:02:15If you see something, either there is a type, check it against it.
1:02:19Something the secretary has typed, check it against it.
1:02:21Now, if they could do that, you could bust the cage, slide it over, because that's evidence.
1:02:26When you have a secretary on the fly, that's one thing.
1:02:29But that typewriter, remember that's how we killed him?
1:02:31Yes, sir.
1:02:32We took the typewriter.
1:02:34Woodstock.
1:02:35Woodstock.
1:02:35And all we took was a typewriter expert.
1:02:38Here's this, a letter she had written to get Tommy into a school and adoptions.
1:02:48And it was the same.
1:02:52The same characteristics that have been done on the same time record.
1:02:55It isn't just that, though.
1:02:56But this is a more technical thing.
1:02:58And it's more difficult than like a calculator.
1:03:00They're telling me even with an electric, you can tell if the individual, as they type, there's a pressure difference somewhere in that.
1:03:07I hope that's true.
1:03:14Well, it is on the kind that has teeth, but see the new electrics have that little wheel, and there they can't tell because it's all... You don't think she was on that kind of thing?
1:03:24She might have been.
1:03:25That's what we use mostly here.
1:03:29That's interesting.
1:03:30It's her type of thing.
1:03:33Really, what's going to matter now is what she... Well, the next shot is what she says.
1:03:38It's a good event.
1:03:44There's something inside of her.
1:03:45There's something involved there.
1:03:47She's involved with Jackie Anderson's secretary.
1:03:50And there's a, you know, maybe a health payoff involved, too.
1:03:54You know, Teddy's in the end of the week.
1:04:00Could be.
1:04:07But the view of the way it's going, I don't see how I can just continue to delay the press conference until this son of a bitch is over.
1:04:24I just can't see how potential it was on.
1:04:25I was sort of thinking last week.
1:04:27I think maybe after the press conference this week, we can talk about it next week.
1:04:39Could do that and have covered the IT&T case and then not answer questions on the IT&T and just have covered that last week.
1:04:49Well, you'll have to wait and see what you get on Dita Beard, too, though.
1:04:55If they get her.
1:05:01Well, the doctor said she could.
1:05:03They can do her either Tuesday or Wednesday.
1:05:05In Denver?
1:05:07Mm-hmm.
1:05:09Yeah, she won't be here.
1:05:15She's shaking out everybody in terms of what she's trying to say.
1:05:18He's waiting for the very latest ID and DL.
1:05:20It's a very good shot.
1:05:21It's just a shambles.
1:05:22It's a lot of terrible people.
1:05:22And the gentleman hanging around with the police in there.
1:05:27Of course, these law enforcement officers are pretty terrible.
1:05:38Can I ask something about the, are we going to have a church service this Sunday?
1:05:41If they're leaving, are roses going to make those things up?
1:05:48I wonder what kind of people we should have.
1:05:49I don't want to do these goddamn things unless it's going to be worthwhile.
1:05:54Have we got the, have we got any?
1:06:02I know that she's probably already done it.
1:06:10Oh, when did you tell her?
1:06:14Yesterday.
1:06:15She works off, you know, her backlog.
1:06:18What I had is, what are we going to do?
1:06:20We want assistant secretaries, undersecretaries, congressmen, or what the hell do we want?
1:06:25You know what I mean?
1:06:26Conspiracy.
1:06:31It doesn't make a hell of a lot other than to cover people that haven't been covered.
1:06:38Congressman, we've done so much on him.
1:06:41That's what it always helps to have, something we haven't done.
1:06:43Sure, there are different ones.
1:06:44I think I'm going to have to go, continue to go through the damnable handshakes, since there are so few of them left.
1:06:54I don't think I'll change it, you know what I mean?
1:06:56I think it's one of those things where people will say, ah, I quit shaking.
1:07:05Some will and some won't.
1:07:07A lot of them don't know he was tripping on you before.
1:07:09Yeah, we've heard her talks with Henry Rogers this afternoon.
1:07:18Oh, with Rogers?
1:07:18I've talked to Henry.
1:07:20What about him?
1:07:23Nothing.
1:07:25Well, I'm glad he's getting off the stage.
1:07:26He should be servicing.
1:07:30You know, he's working his ass off.
1:07:31I'll tell you, nobody ever writes so much.
1:07:41He sure did.
1:07:43Hi.
1:07:43Hi.
1:07:43What are you and Halina playing for the night?
1:07:49Yeah.
1:07:49I don't know what I'm playing for this.
1:07:52You've got to stay here.
1:07:53Rose, I just wanted to tell you the truth.
1:08:06I don't want to have any of this crap.
1:08:11I don't want to have it.
1:08:17Let me put it this way.
1:08:32I mean, as much as I love them and all the rest, I don't want to do quite as bad.
1:08:39Well, that's what they still do those on that quarter deal, Secret Service, all the rest.
1:08:44Well, you've done all that, and I'll do that on Christmas, maybe, but right now...
1:08:50to the extent that you can.
1:08:52I know you can't get people from out of town, but get them, because you want to ask them to come here sometimes.
1:09:01But what I mean is, I think you could this time go for people, if you, for example, got assistant secretaries, people like that you can have.
1:09:13So you're still, unless they cancel tonight.
1:09:15Yes, I am.
1:09:15Oh, you are.
1:09:18I'm afraid I have to.
1:09:18I'm afraid that if I don't, because I said it, they don't use you in the kitchen.
1:09:22There must be some Christ in you, something better than there should.
1:09:28I'll check right away, so to speak.
1:09:30What could you, one of the fathers of Angie, or one of them, don't put the choir through?
1:09:36I mean, they've done that in the last few years.
1:09:44I go out and have a picture with the choir, and that's enough.
1:09:48If you have a choir of 40 people, that adds to it.
1:09:49Like I said, handshaking.
1:09:52They don't need to come to your lawn.
1:09:57You think we'd go with oxygen?
1:10:01See, I was saying...
1:10:02I don't think I'm talking to half of these people.
1:10:04You're making fun of me.
1:10:07Well, then why don't they go, why don't we just have a few people around here and not bother with that?
1:10:13But it's a mixture.
1:10:14That's the problem.
1:10:18You know, I like to go for everybody, but it just doesn't, it just is not worth the time.
1:10:24I want that energy to shake hands, you know, with every, you know, this photographer.
1:10:30Yeah, there's very few of those.
1:10:32I love it.
1:10:33It's like two stenographers.
1:10:34There's very few of those.
1:10:36I think I'm going to close it.
1:10:37Two out of the...
1:10:39Operationally, you know, but I think by people of that, for instance, if somebody worked awful hard, or they're 25 years, or your grandmother died, or something, that's the kind of people who should always come in.
1:10:53Maybe it's really, we're only doing it because I, I mean, I don't, I think they're past the time.
1:10:58Thank goodness that it's not in the end.
1:11:01But we have to do one a month, so.
1:11:04Well, maybe we should just have our people, if I don't have to say it, answer it.
1:11:13If you do, you have to say something to them as you leave instead of just walking into the last round and leaving, I think.
1:11:33Ask them to go out and have coffee and what have you.
1:11:40A little closing speech.
1:11:41We want to thank you and the residents for being here.
1:11:44And I understand they're serving coffee.
1:11:47We have coffee.
1:11:48You can try that.
1:11:49I think you have to do something.
1:11:52And then get up and walk out and go upstairs.
1:11:55And then let this husband go there and run the long wire.
1:11:57Oh, yeah.
1:12:01I'll show you.
1:12:05It's very useful.
1:12:10But if I have to shake hands and pick the people that you think will do us the most good, okay.
1:12:17Just remember, it's just a part of everything.
1:12:19And if you have any doubts, you know, any of these things, I don't care, you know, so... And as I say, I don't want to rule out the personal, and I'm sure I'd like to do the personal, but...
1:12:27There would be more.
1:12:28And frankly, I don't want to be too much of a boy.
1:12:38I think I need to just thank God we have one more day to go.
1:12:44Aaron?
1:12:44You're saying thank God that everybody else is saying, oh, we've got to get all these people in.
1:12:50Yeah, two.
1:12:51We have the same two, don't we?
1:12:52We have the same two staff.
1:12:53That doesn't matter.
1:12:54It takes care of a lot of them, doesn't it?
1:12:57Yeah, but that doesn't do one good as far as taking care of them, really, because their wives are the ones who want to come around.
1:13:04You've got an OAS in there, but you can't do much in that.
1:13:06Yeah, I've got to do that.
1:13:09And they have a lot for the vaccine in there, right?
1:13:13I guess so.
1:13:13I don't know.
1:13:14I guess that dates then.
1:13:15If I didn't, I'd have turned down that level of vaccine.
1:13:21Well, that gives you... You have a lot for the vaccine.
1:13:28Well, sure, I've got a lot of names.
1:13:30I've got a lot of them from stands and those folks, because I can mouth the types of... What are they?
1:13:36What are they?
1:13:38A few of those.
1:13:39These are a lot of unique finance people.
1:13:43There's some finance, there's some political from around the country.
1:13:46We can do those on the gridiron first, if you want to do that.
1:13:50Because a lot of the same type people be here for the gridiron.
1:13:53Why do they have them?
1:14:00People looking like Charlie Thomas was in last week and came in to say hello.
1:14:05And he said his wife wants to come to church and they get passed because he doesn't have anything else to write.
1:14:10He doesn't have anything else to write.
1:14:13Let's see, maybe he has a lifetime pass.
1:14:17But he said that that's the one time she's been wanting to come to, and I said, oh, well, that's fine.
1:14:21Well, that's kind of people of a life.
1:14:23It would really mean something for the Monroes, but, you know, I just want to tell you that I, we're only going to have one month, and there are about three left before the election, and so, as you said, I won't do anything today.
1:14:35Well, I'm taking that as a question.
1:14:37Cambridge was, for the most part, for the epigenetic change for Turkey's prime minister.
1:14:47So we've done, that's where we've ended up in the after-dinner thing, though, isn't it?
1:14:56Is government people?
1:14:57Are we doing after-dinner guests other than just official parties?
1:15:01No.
1:15:01What happens is...
1:15:04The way to do it is to get them right into the darn place.
1:15:11Yeah, absolutely.
1:15:12So that we...
1:15:15Yeah, that's right.
1:15:16Jason, that's worked fine the last couple of times.
1:15:18They don't expect you, and then they get to stay in debt, and that's all right with you.
1:15:24They have champagne downstairs.
1:15:25They come up and go in.
1:15:28The other ones who are people who are working hard that they can depend on, I'm sure that's who they are anyway.
1:15:34Yeah.
1:15:34Well, they are.
1:15:35And this is a good way of making that happen.
1:15:38And that way we can get in under 50 people.
1:15:41And there's a good way to come to the White House.
1:15:44Sure, so you can get up to 250 in our White House.
1:15:58I don't know, besides that... Well, I'm crying next to you.
1:16:03It's a black time.
1:16:06Black time.
1:16:06Black time.
1:16:07Well, that one's already out, whatever it is.
1:16:09There it is.
1:16:09It's already out.
1:16:10Well, it's white time, sir.
1:16:10But after all that, then I'll give the...
1:16:13I'll be sure that the King will be a black time.
1:16:15That's not my stuff.
1:16:17I can be white.
1:16:19No, no.
1:16:19We said it would be the wrong time of year.
1:16:27He didn't have quite a lot of time back then.
1:16:33He was a black child.
1:16:34He wasn't even black?
1:16:35Well, this was in Atacoka, Puerto Vallarta.
1:16:37Oh.
1:16:38Those were two lunches that weren't there.
1:16:40That's right.
1:16:40We didn't have dinner.
1:16:42He wasn't president yet.
1:16:42Oh, yes.
1:16:43I think I'm going to ask you a question about this.
1:16:50That was the former president.
1:16:53The Farmer President was there.
1:16:54This guy was not President, that's true.
1:16:56And this one, you had to change his stuff.
1:16:59Has had a lunch.
1:17:00Since he became this President.
1:17:01I've done the then President's Mexico three times.
1:17:03The Farmer President twice, one in San Diego, one down there.
1:17:06Now this one, they've done it for lunch, now they want me to have a dinner for him.
1:17:12Which is, I think, is Julian.
1:17:13Where did we do the lunch?
1:17:15Over here.
1:17:16Small, small.
1:17:17It's his family.
1:17:21Then he had another lunch.
1:17:23He did the former president really three times.
1:17:25He did him down in that dam.
1:17:28One day, too.
1:17:29I did him three times.
1:17:32Down to that place, Hamistad Dam, for lunch.
1:17:37He had you.
1:17:38It was on his side.
1:17:41Right there.
1:17:42A lot of music.
1:17:45That's what you've got.
1:17:47That's what you've got.
1:17:51Do you think Gordon McRae might have him sometime?
1:17:55He might be safe now.
1:17:56Huh?
1:17:57Well, he signed that one.
1:17:58Dorothy Pearson can't like Gordon McRae.
1:18:01Dorothy Pearson is about 90 inches.
1:18:03Oh, I don't think so.
1:18:06She's got to be.
1:18:07No, she isn't.
1:18:08All right.
1:18:08All right.
1:18:11That was Kirsten Flagstaff.
1:18:12Dorothy Kirsten is the one in L.A. and her husband, Jack French, is the head of the .
1:18:31Some idea.
1:18:32Go ahead and write it.
1:18:33No, I didn't do that.
1:18:34Can I suggest?
1:18:36No, I can't.
1:18:37You can get Lenny Kazan.
1:18:38Can I suggest this, too?
1:18:39That all these choirs, let's not risk on that, don't have a choir this time.
1:18:43Can we have just a singer?
1:18:46I don't have any idea what to expect.
1:18:49A church?
1:18:49I don't know what the hell is going to happen to the choir in these days, either.
1:18:55So I'm going to check this.
1:18:57I'm going to do that this time.
1:18:58All right.
1:19:01I'm reading a lousy novel about the life in the White House.
1:19:14It was picked up at an airport.
1:19:25And the president's wife decided to have a party and she invited a London rock and roll group to entertain all men, long hair types.
1:19:33And they performed in the news.
1:19:37But the president was drunk so he didn't notice it.
1:19:39He didn't say anything and everybody looked at him and he didn't react so nobody else did.
1:19:43Oh, he hadn't gotten that far yet.
1:19:46The same president shot a secret service agent because he found him in bed with his wife.
1:19:53What novel is this?
1:19:54Works the way to his bedroom.
1:19:59Does a great job of upgrading the office.
1:20:06Yeah.
1:20:10Well, we're trying to get as many people who haven't been, and that's what we've spent a lot of our time on.
1:20:16Those people have been weeding out the ones who have already been.
1:20:19That's right.
1:20:20I'll be as hinted at, like, can I say 20 times that one man is not going to be included in the doctor's arrangements until I give you further notice?
1:20:31They may have already called all the automatic ones.
1:20:33They call the cabinet and all those people automatically.
1:20:37I don't think so.
1:20:38I tried not to push the people who have been here that often.
1:20:59That's all right.
1:21:01At least it doesn't mean not all of us.
1:21:03Well, the thing is, you have to, I think what we have to do is try to get people, sure, you have to understand, but if you have people who haven't been here, they're excited, and it can make the whole thing more fun.
1:21:15It's like, you know, like Patricia was referring to, she was talking about the $1,000 dinner she had.
1:21:22Now we go to the old store.
1:21:28I know you can see, I just hope you can notice, though, that that kind of damage is about the least of these gastric cancers, and I think you can go back to this and look at the record, and I think you can notice that.
1:21:42I said, you know, basically, what I want you to do when I notice, is to do your job.
1:21:48Well, that goes back to the congressional one.
1:22:01You have an awful lot of lobbyists.
1:22:06That's what it mostly is, and giveaways.
1:22:16because they have to buy it and she wants to find someone to tell us that she knows not very well what they all have
1:22:36He just gets uptight, I guess, because it was Dr. Spence.
1:22:39Yeah, his vocal cords get up over and up and down his skin.
1:22:43And some people, they've gotten rid of him out of that job.
1:22:48She said those doctors couldn't divorce him.
1:22:51That was fairly good, he bumped all of us, but it was pretty good.
1:22:57You were there?
1:23:00Oh yeah, sitting right up front, kind of stoned.
1:23:02I wouldn't have been there, but I'd have been kind of stoned.
1:23:06It's awful hard to say no, I won't go.
1:23:11We had to stand in the middle.
1:23:14My brother and his wife.
1:23:16No, I didn't buy a job between John Mitchell and Paul Garvey, so I had a job.
1:23:23I didn't, you know.
1:23:25It was, it was, it was all right.
1:23:28Well, John Mitchell and I talked for several weeks.
1:23:31I thought they were going to cover him because, you know, it is for a dollar.
1:23:41Poor John, follows his way home.
1:25:06I asked you, I controlled that, and I can bring you a version of the card tonight.
1:25:11I'm quietly ready for that now.
1:33:26No, I don't give a damn about the Constitution.
1:33:28I'm just going to say, we've got to have many more shots of the U.S. Yeah, well, I've heard that one of the U.S. military officers said they were spying on the Russians.
1:33:44I've seen the president's story about the men in the barracks.
1:33:50Yeah.
1:33:50Explaining to the world that they don't know how to make it.
1:33:56Really?
1:33:59That's why they're so scared?
1:34:01That's why they're so scared right now.
1:34:02They're getting out of the lesson.
1:34:08They're teaching them in some of our grade schools, don't y'all know?
1:34:17Yeah.
1:34:18Okay.
1:34:20Come on, let's look in here.
1:34:28independent.
1:34:51Who had nothing to do with Delon Rae.
1:34:54Recruited by Ken, a farmer.
1:35:00A very great analyst.
1:35:02Recruited by Ken, a farmer.
1:35:04Employed Delon Rae.
1:35:06He was also a farmer when I started and have been working here.
1:35:14And the time has passed since Delon Rae's three years.
1:35:25That's all right.
1:35:25I don't need you to try to do that with that pressure.
1:35:30You never have any excess pressure.
1:35:44No, but it's going to, I would thank Peter out this week, even if they, if we don't come in, and we get all these witnesses that they can go on forever, it's
1:36:14You might shoot for them to come up with, I don't think.
1:36:19That'd be rehashing.
1:36:21Okay?
1:36:21You know, the technicalities of what day what memo was sent and all that kind of stuff.
1:36:31I don't need it, I'm not sure.
1:36:45It would create some doubts, but obviously, you know, it does that.
1:36:56Yeah, it spreads.
1:37:0275 on the crippling left.
1:37:14Yeah.
1:37:18Yeah.
1:37:23Listen, the resignation thing just doesn't add up.
1:37:30I told him that.
1:37:31I told him that.
1:37:33That was right.
1:37:34And then he was horrified.
1:37:36You know, he said, well, you didn't let the president go out of his mind.
1:37:43I said, oh, hell no.
1:37:45It was just a tactical maneuver that you were raising.
1:37:48And I...
1:37:50We're talking about it, and that sends me to, because I'm not.
1:37:53He says, I don't care what happens.
1:37:54I am not quitting now.
1:37:58It's in my mind.
1:37:59If he wants to be sure none of us have any lingering doubts in our minds, that he might pull one of his own temper tantrums again, he says, be sure we know he's not going to drive me out of the schema.
1:38:12And that's definitely, there's a hell of a lot of provocation to the driver's being
1:38:18I mean, the fact that he doesn't even call in, you know, God damn it now.
1:38:24That's just small to say this, don't you agree?
1:38:26Yep.
1:38:28That is really small.
1:38:36We're sort of at a continuum one now.
1:38:40Yeah, I suppose.
1:38:40Let it go for a while.
1:38:48There may be something that comes up in the ocean, like a depression.
1:43:16Yes, sir.
1:43:17Yes, sir.
1:43:18Yes, sir.
1:43:18Yes, sir.
1:43:34You went off because somebody went all around the world.
1:43:37This is a big morning for me, and I suppose you cannot blame me.
1:43:41I didn't get it.
1:43:43Are you?
1:43:43You got it.
1:43:45You?
1:43:46OK.
1:43:46Slow it down.
1:43:51No.
1:43:52That's better.
1:46:19All right.
1:46:54I assume that the meeting with Billy Graham's religious leaders is going forward.
1:47:00Would you please check that?
1:47:05If it is not being done this week, be sure it is done the week after Henry is back on his vacation.
1:47:13I do not believe the problem is potentially too great a one, but it could become one in the event that extremists get to them before Henry has a chance to
1:47:24Put the record straight.

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