Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 697 › Conversation 697-019

Nixon, Jackson & Flanigan on Retirement and Interstate Commerce Commission

Thursday, March 30, 1972 · 12:21 PM–12:25 PM ET · Oval Office

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Jackson, Donald L.; Flanigan, Peter M.; Bull, Stephen B.; White House photographerConversation697-019 on Tape 697 (tape position 02:48:43–02:53:31)StartThursday, March 30, 1972 at 12:21 PMEndThursday, March 30, 1972 at 12:25 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 697-019 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon met with Donald L. Jackson, Peter M. Flanigan, and Stephen B. Bull to discuss Jackson's impending retirement from the Interstate Commerce Commission. The conversation touched upon logistics for an upcoming White House dinner for the President of Mexico and plans for future events honoring retiring Congressmen. The President extended an invitation to Jackson for the dinner and briefly discussed the status of various ambassadorships.

  • Donald L. Jackson
  • Retirement
  • Interstate Commerce Commission
  • White House dinner
  • Ambassadorships
  • Luis Echeverria Alvarez

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2:49:24I met him at a dinner party the other night.
2:49:28He said whenever he came up here and he forgot his tuxedo that he wore Mr. Sanchez's.
2:49:33So I'm delighted to meet Mr. Sanchez today.
2:49:37Well, here's your presidential couplings.
2:49:39Thank you, sir.
2:49:40Mark, Mark.
2:49:42And he's going to be a golfer.
2:49:45Your wife's going to do it.
2:49:48Very soft.
2:49:49The president's a golfer.
2:49:50He's one of the city leaders.
2:49:51So you know who he is.
2:49:55There it is.
2:49:56Thank you so much.
2:50:04to change your life.
2:50:06Thank you very much.
2:50:07We're certainly very proud of the way things are, and here's something for you too.
2:50:11Go on.
2:50:12This is a train.
2:50:13See, these are the seals you notice in the book.
2:50:17Like that.
2:50:17And I was very lucky to learn about it.
2:50:21Thank you.
2:50:21Well, when...
2:50:22Thanks for bringing me.
2:50:25I'll go to the rack.
2:50:26All right, so don't worry.
2:50:29Go ahead.
2:50:30Thanks.
2:50:32Pressure's here, buddy.
2:50:33It's out of the question.
2:51:03Mr. President, Mr. President.
2:51:03I'd like to say that you've made the right decision.
2:51:05You're late on time.
2:51:06That's right.
2:51:06You're late on time.
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2:51:33What do you mean to do?
2:52:00Doc, listen, I was going to ask you, are you going to be here after the 15th?
2:52:22No, sir, not at the present time.
2:52:25Well, if you are, and you would never go to this.
2:52:29We had dinner at the President of Mexico that day, that night.
2:52:33If you'd like to come to any of it, it would be useful if you were invited.
2:52:37Thank you very much.
2:52:38And tell us about the, and, but, you know, I didn't come back, but, you know, that was my take-off day.
2:52:47It was the 15th.
2:52:48I had reservations on the oral train.
2:52:52Whatever you want.
2:52:54Don't come back.
2:53:07We're going to have the
2:53:27Good, good.
2:53:27They're going to have it.
2:53:30Probably after they get back from retirement.

NARA Description

On March 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Donald L. Jackson, Peter M. Flanigan, Stephen B. Bull, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:21 pm to 12:25 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 697-019 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 697-19

Date: March 30, 1972
Time: 12:21 pm - 12:25 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Donald L. Jackson, Peter M. Flanigan, and Stephen B. Bull; the White
House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.

      Greetings

      Jackson
           -Retirement
                 -Interstate Commerce Commission [ICC]

      Jackson’s plans

      White House dinner
           -President of Mexico [Luis Echeverria Alvarez]
                 -Jackson's attendance
                      -Instruction for Bull
                            -Rose Mary Woods
                      -Jackson's plans

      Unknown woman

      Unknown man

      Forthcoming event for retiring Congressmen
           -The President’s return from the Soviet Union

      Henry Cabot Lodge

      Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
           -Quantico, Virginia

      White House dinner
           -Jackson's attendance
           -Timing

      Ambassadorships
          -Senate
          -State Department

Jackson et al. left.

Also recorded on March 30, 1972

  • 697-016 12:15 PM · 40 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at 12:15 pm.
  • 697-017 12:15 PM · 5 min — President Richard M. Nixon, James E. Stewart, Clark MacGregor, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:15 pm to 12:20 pm.
  • 697-018 12:20 PM · 30 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:20 pm to 12:21 pm.
  • 697-020 12:25 PM · 28 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:25 pm to 12:26 pm.
  • 697-021 12:26 PM · 4 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Carl W. Tiller, George P. Shultz, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:26 pm to 12:30 pm.
  • 697-022 12:30 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:30 pm to 12:31 pm.
  • 697-023 12:31 PM · 11 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Mike Finamore, Ann Landers, A. Hamblin Letton, Mrs. A. Hamblin Letton, Charles R. Ebersol, Mrs. Charles R. Ebersol, Lane W. Adams, Mrs. Lane W. Adams, Irving I. Rimer, Alan Davis, John Finamore, Mrs. John Finamore, Deborah Finamore, Alice Letton, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., James H. Cavanaugh, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:31 pm to 12:39 pm.
  • 697-024 12:39 PM · 21 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:39 pm and 12:45 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 697-019, March 30, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/697-019 (accessed October 12, 2026).