Nixon, Haldeman & Colson on Wisconsin primary and Labor unions

2:13:10Yeah, on the Middle East, if we could get an interim settlement, and defer the final settlement until, say, September, they are sort of counting on my going out over there in September, because you saw... We'd like to go to China, too.
2:13:23I've got to go again.
2:13:26It's good to go to China.
2:13:27I've got to go to Russia, because...
2:13:30We're going to have to use everybody in the campaign that can be used.
2:13:34You can come back from China and garble around a bit.
2:13:37Then you see you can do a television thing.
2:13:39And then after you go to Russia, you can do the same thing.
2:13:42You see, I want to be – we've got to really throw the big guns, and we've got foreign policy up front and center in that period, too.
2:13:47China has been out of schedule for the end of June.
2:13:50That's because of the Democratic convention.
2:13:54When are they going to announce Henry Rogers going to Europe?
2:13:57Let me check with the officer.
2:14:00It seems to me that if you're traveling to Japan and we get announced, it might be well.
2:14:09His were announced fairly soon, you know, from the White House.
2:14:12But it's up to him.
2:14:14I'll check with Brad.
2:14:15Brad, good.
2:16:20I was going to tell you that I probably should not do it Monday.
2:16:25I think I'm doing it the day before the Wisconsin primary.
2:16:31If I didn't do it the day of the Wisconsin primary, it would be very good Tuesdays, the better days.
2:16:37It hurts.
2:17:13It's go.
2:17:14Okay.
2:17:17Okay, so there, you can't drag anything.
2:17:34Okay, we'll figure out.
2:17:37Yeah, 1,500 words.
2:17:381,500 to 2,000.
2:17:442,000 outside.
2:17:46And just tell Pat to get it done as quick as he can.
2:17:52Has he given any reading on how much timing he needs on it?
2:17:59Well, ideally, him tomorrow.
2:18:07I would say not until tomorrow.
2:18:20I want to take a look at it before you can let anybody work on that.
2:18:22Well, I'll call another one there.
2:18:23I'll work on that.
2:18:25Say that we leave at 3.30 tomorrow.
2:18:303.30 tomorrow.
2:18:33Okay?
2:18:33Okay.
2:18:39really funny now they're debating around and around and they said no we everybody said we shouldn't do this and i said we'll find the president's going to do it now put it together on that basis well then everybody changed their mind decided it was a good idea to do it i mean it was quite the domestic council that whole they had a big meeting about it you know chuck said they said
2:19:22All right.
2:19:22You've got the problem of two, a head of government and a head of state.
2:19:27So what I think we've got to do is arrive the first night in time for a state dinner with the Governor General.
2:19:33Otherwise, you're going to have to have a state luncheon with the Governor General, which would be even worse.
2:19:38Lunch is worse than work.
2:19:39And if you have a due problem in the afternoon, it means doing the luncheon right about the problem.
2:19:45Lunch would be clear.
2:19:46You'd have a good midday break.
2:19:49Then...
2:19:50The second night, the Prime Minister, instead of having a dinner, would have a one-hour gala entertainment.
2:19:58It lasts an hour at the National Cultural Center or something, that buffet, then a buffet afterwards.
2:20:04But we can knock off the buffet, and if there's 100 guests at it, you can go in with the Prime Minister and have a receiving line, receive the 100 guests, and then leave, and they'll stay for the buffet and stuff, but you don't need to drive a lot.
2:20:16You're staying a lot.
2:20:18That's really not too bad.
2:20:20You can play it.
2:20:21We're going to set it on the basis of your, basically, of your lead.
2:20:23Well, if we have him on base, then he's going to need me.
2:20:26That's right.
2:20:27So we'll go, and that's what he wants to do.
2:20:29Right.
2:20:30And then I will give a return.
2:20:32No.
2:20:33It gets us out of any return event.
2:20:34It gets the two government events.
2:20:36Governor General has to have his before the Prime Minister to sit down in the interest of the Governor General, which is a break.
2:20:42Right.
2:20:43Because he's a nice guy.
2:20:45conservative.
2:20:46You know him?
2:20:47Mitchman?
2:20:48Well, I know that all governors now are good guys.
2:20:51He's a former Speaker of the House, and he's a conservative.
2:20:55And apparently a very nice guy.
2:20:57And he's not a, he's an anti-Trudeau man.
2:20:59So you'll probably like him.
2:21:01He's a, Ambassador says he's a very sharp guy, and a guy that you will like.
2:21:08So, I think now we've got
2:21:11got all the rest of the garbage swept away.
2:21:14And if we do this, they will be happy out of all of them, which is we might as well try and end up...
2:21:21It really is kind of awkward to arrive so late, not to have dinner.
2:21:27I don't really care that much about it, you know.
2:21:30I don't want to do it incidentally.
2:21:31I don't know whether it'll work out, but Henry put that more so a curve to it.
2:22:18Okay.
2:22:34Well, I thought that was a good talk, Coach, didn't you?
2:22:39I deliberately let him through the other issues.
2:22:43You know, I was going up with a plan to kind of give him the perspective of what the hell we were up to here.
2:22:50And then we came to IT&T.
2:22:53And there we are.
2:22:54He came out afterwards and he says, well, I fell back into the same trap.
2:22:57We kept talking about IT&T and a lot of details.
2:22:59And he said, we've just got to quit worrying about it.
2:23:02And I said, well, it was right at that time because the president wanted to get it wrapped up.
2:23:06He wanted to talk it through and settle it.
2:23:09Now we've got that deck cleared.
2:23:11you know he really wants you to get some time off and then then try next week get back to work on the things where we we
2:23:22Now, I realize all these bombshells are lying around.
2:23:25It's always a key spot.
2:23:27But there's no point sitting around looking at them.
2:23:29So there they are.
2:23:30We're going to blow up.
2:23:31We're going to stay out of the way.
2:23:33There they are.
2:23:34And also, when they come, we'll just have, like, their early murder.
2:23:38His memory just got a little start.
2:23:41This is what we were hired on, reflecting the policy decision made where we decided that
2:23:47that it should be on the basis that cases should not be decided on the basis of size alone.
2:23:53That was a high policy.
2:23:54And you know, you may look back and find a newspaper account for that.
2:23:58I think we have a misdemeanor on the case on that.
2:24:02But you could find out that that's what it was all about and that there was a meeting.
2:24:10I don't think that'll come out.
2:24:14I don't think that's the kind of thing
2:24:17Berger would have sent copies to 18 people.
2:24:18I just don't think he would have.
2:24:22I mean, because he knew the sensitivity of the damn issue.
2:24:25That's perfectly right in saying, you know, I don't know where they all are, so I wonder.
2:24:30And that's fine.
2:24:31I should have wondered.
2:24:32But maybe it was supposed to be the rest of the United States.
2:24:34Maybe McLaren.
2:24:35But McLaren also is going to stay.
2:24:37He doesn't want to look bad, does he?
2:24:42But how about doing it Tuesday then, that speech?
2:24:44Don't you see my point?
2:24:46The day before the primary is some son of a bitch can say Wisconsin is a 50% capacity state.
2:24:53So he did it in order to affect the Wisconsin results.
2:24:57So now, the day after the primary, nobody can say that didn't work.
2:25:00That's a good point.
2:25:02And the day after will be bad, too.
2:25:10It'll get out.
2:25:10It's getting this immediate audience to get out and pass the word exactly.
2:25:15Don't you agree?
2:25:16Yep.
2:25:17And it'll be sort of buried that night in speculation about what's going to happen in the primary a little bit.
2:25:23More after.
2:25:24You're right.
2:25:25Much more after that.
2:25:28That audience is starting rather than the big TV in the head of it.
2:25:32There you are.
2:25:33Good.
2:25:34The window of that day.
2:25:35Could I suggest, too, that...
2:25:41Should we do it so we can go, say, around 3 in the afternoon?
2:25:46Would that be a good time?
2:25:47We'll try.
2:25:49What do they want in the morning?
2:25:51It was afternoon on Monday or Friday, Monday or Thursday, and morning on Tuesday or Wednesday.
2:25:55It may have to be morning.
2:25:57Well, it's morning.
2:25:57It may not be in session in morning.
2:26:00Not too damn early then.
2:26:02Get up to, say, 11, 30, 11.
2:26:13Just have me along with him.
2:26:16Don't invite Pat.
2:26:17Oh, sure.
2:26:18Because I don't think that they should bother unless you think you should.
2:26:25So I think, basically, we're better off because .
2:26:28Not a social function.
2:26:30You should not.
2:26:31I think you should go right over there, go into the hall, give your speech, walk out, and come back.
2:26:36You know, I'm impressed by this Sanchez.
2:26:38What a nice man.
2:26:39He's a nice guy.
2:26:40His name's Ed, I guess.
2:26:41He grew up in a migrant camp, and he's a good Mexican.
2:26:45But he's more than a Mexican.
2:26:46He's a fine man.
2:26:47He's biting our gallows.
2:26:49I called him, and I said, I just want you to know.
2:26:52Yeah.
2:26:52I said, I want you to know that we've been watching him.
2:26:59We like what you're doing, and we know it's a tough job, and so forth.
2:27:03And I said, you can't out-promise the other fellow, but just say, I said, dude, one, you've got to demonstrate that you've got heart and you care.
2:27:10Two, you've got to demonstrate that we're honest.
2:27:13And three, that we'll produce.
2:27:15We won't promise as much to the other fellow, but we'll produce, and we really care.
2:27:19And I said, it's hard as hell to do, but that's your job.
2:27:21And I said, I want you to know that you're here.
2:27:24And we had you in this job not just because of your Spanish-speaking background, but because of your qualifying.
2:27:34And that we had you in mind for another position once this was finished.
2:27:40You know what I mean?
2:27:41To just fight our guys, right?
2:27:42Because this is a hell of a good guy.
2:27:45Yeah.
2:27:45And he said, sir, maybe, maybe an honest Mexican, Mr. Sergi Calvado.
2:27:51Is he a lawyer?
2:27:52I don't think so.
2:27:55Now that is sort of an interesting thing to do.
2:27:57That little, that little cancer kid came in, Ann Landers, and she had written me a letter about Julia.
2:28:02She'd seen her.
2:28:03You know, a great kid.
2:28:05She'd been all day with Julia.
2:28:06They were in the same program.
2:28:10Ann Landers, gushing all over her.
2:28:12Julia was pretty dysfunctional.
2:28:14And so I just recognized her.
2:28:15I wanted her for this gift, thinking, you know, today she's got a bikini for ten years.
2:28:22I'll never even lie to you.
2:28:24But it was a rather warm meeting.
2:28:25As they all started to truck out of the post, his parents, I had his parents, but he didn't even think of them.
2:28:29They kicked him up.
2:28:31He said, he served almost, he kicked me in long hair and all the rest of it.
2:28:37He said, I just want you to know, he said, I need your help, God.
2:28:42Well, hmm.
2:28:44Isn't that great?
2:28:44I don't know where Andrew's cornering me.
2:28:47But you know, this is the kind of thing that happens very often in here.
2:28:52Not just here at the office, but it's this, if you want to get the warm thing across, if anybody wanted to write it off, it would be easy, wouldn't it?
2:28:59Sure.
2:29:00Can you imagine what that, if that happened to Kennedy, should it?
2:29:03They would have that one every minute.
2:29:05Every one of them networks tonight would be a minute long.
2:29:07I don't think so.
2:29:11I thought it was quite moving for the kids.
2:29:13I didn't want to say, well, I said, thank you, everybody.
2:29:17I said, I didn't hear it.
2:29:18And that's coming from the heart.
2:29:20That's how you would do it.
2:29:24What I'm asking to you is that you have to describe what you first came in with, what you're going in with, and all the rest.
2:29:32On this, I want to talk about birthday calls and the rest.
2:29:36We do see a close-up coming from this.
2:29:38I just think that was my earlier thing.
2:29:41I just think I'm not going to have any more.
2:29:44I think it was a great idea.
2:29:46And I'm not sure we should write people letters congratulating them on their birthday.
2:29:51We should, except for a major milestone.
2:29:54Somebody I know well.
2:29:56Or a milestone birthday.
2:29:59But somebody you know, it shouldn't be.
2:30:04You should know them, at least know them a little to write them off.
2:30:08You shouldn't write anybody you don't know, unless it's their 100th birthday or something like that, 75th wedding anniversary.
2:30:16You've done so much work on this, I really should have.
2:30:23I know.
2:30:24I'd rather think that the color work on this is not at all wasted, because if I used to call
2:30:34somewhere that was just about passed.
2:30:36I'm not calling senators or congressmen anymore either.
2:30:41It's only, let me say, if each day you get one, I wouldn't mind.
2:30:47If there's somebody in this country that really ought to be called one each day, I wouldn't mind.
2:30:51It isn't bad to name one a day.
2:30:54You see what I mean?
2:30:56Okay.
2:30:57Don't, if there is one,
2:31:01I write a note for a congressman who's done well.
2:31:04Like Gurney, I wrote him a note.
2:31:06I wrote one today.
2:31:08And Marvel Cook.
2:31:08And of course, Hughes got plenty.
2:31:11But that sort of thing.
2:31:13Maybe you see what I'm getting at.
2:31:16And maybe there's a governor who said a good word.
2:31:18Or maybe it's that kind of thing that I think could bring him.
2:31:22And then, for example, when Fitzsimmons stated on the paper, it's very likely I should have called him and said, thank you very much, Fitz, for staying on.
2:31:31Oh, yes, of course.
2:31:33I know, but I... We're doing this, you know, this little one-liner.
2:31:38We're doing a batch of those.
2:31:40We pray four or five of those every day.
2:31:42Don't you think they're good?
2:31:44Oh, Jesus, they... You hear that?
2:31:46One of us stir around here.
2:31:47People say, my God, the President said... And they call and send notes back.
2:31:53Thank you.
2:31:53Thank you very much.
2:31:57Yeah, well, that's a little awkward because some of them will catch up with you and say, sorry, you sent a plate by that one, right?
2:32:04And whenever you see something where you know that I saw it, I will send a note.
2:32:08And I want you to know how much I appreciated this.
2:32:12And it means something.
2:32:13See, the heads of offices are looking for these things, and when you've got a guy in the...
2:32:19GSA or something who's done a good job on some big project just stayed out a long time.
2:32:23I've learned that you've done such a fine job and I want to know how much I appreciate it.
2:32:27I've heard of the outstanding job you did on the .
2:32:32I even remember the vice president.
2:32:34I got about five or six letters from .
2:32:37I saved every goddamn line.
2:32:38Sure.
2:32:39Every line.
2:32:39You know damn well that any of those people who get a letter from the president, they're going to save it.
2:32:48It's a very big thing.
2:32:51Why, I was really impressed with San Diego.
2:32:54I liked it, just liked it.
2:32:57If I didn't have an extra dinner, I would have given Rose two of the other names.
2:33:01Call her in while she was here to see how long we have some names here.
2:33:06Yeah.
2:33:11Very good.
2:33:12Matt Lovell, of course, should be invited.
2:33:19I've heard about some tamales.
2:33:24I'm going to have a can.
2:33:25I want to check out my old friend.
2:33:29Wear him on that one.
2:33:30I think that would be a nice one.
2:33:32You've got to have him sometime.
2:33:34You know, he's got to, they sing songs, and it's safe, and it's carny middle America.
2:33:38But anything's all right.
2:33:39I think he's great.
2:33:41I've always liked him.
2:33:43Heisman I had in one spot, but the price of it, the price of fish all over it.
2:33:47Did you ever do it?
2:33:50But he gets a big crown when he puts on a show.
2:33:55He's in with people.
2:33:56Disagree with me?
2:33:58Sure.
2:33:58He did his dad on there at the Kennedy Center.
2:34:10He did.
2:34:11What?
2:34:11Mrs. Eisen?
2:34:20They act as if it's their whole place.
2:34:33I think we have it now.
2:34:34On what ground?
2:34:35In confidence.
2:34:43but he was going to get quite the vote.
2:34:46Roger Stevens is afraid to, he set up a personnel committee for the trustee, and we lived in the personnel family.
2:34:53I wanted to tell you that Don Bob,
2:35:04You think he's going to speak with us through the election?
2:35:30Boy, I'll tell you, he's a good friend.
2:35:31Oh, his people are terrific, too.
2:35:34And he can, and I think you'll be able to fuel him into lying, too, won't you?
2:35:38No question.
2:35:38I'm sorry that it takes so damn long to tell you something.
2:35:41Oh, I love it.
2:35:42Do you?
2:35:42Well, look, I can't, I did it for another reason.
2:35:46He knows that a breakfast takes an hour.
2:35:49He had an hour and 15 minutes, and he'd go out and say the president, and when the studio came in, I said,
2:35:57You know, and he knows.
2:35:58Oh, he was very impressed with that.
2:36:00When he got outside, he said, I'm sorry to leave.
2:36:02He said, I know I talk too much.
2:36:05And I said, no, Fitz, the president, I can tell.
2:36:07He would have, if he had not wanted to listen, he would have, I would have been able to help.
2:36:13He was very surprised.
2:36:14Oh, he loved that.
2:36:16He mentioned that going out.
2:36:19He said, now, you just tell a person, he said, anything.
2:36:22I can do the help in that area I want to do.
2:36:24It's great.
2:36:25He's a colorful guy.
2:36:28He is.
2:36:29I like him.
2:36:31I hope we can keep in line with the building tracers.
2:36:33I said I want to keep these unions.
2:36:36I'm always talking about the tracers.
2:36:38His fight about me is very interesting.
2:36:43This is what he's figured out.
2:36:44Of course, you have to remember with Fitz that he always looks for the most devious scheme explanations you've ever made.
2:36:52But he said, Mimi, he stuck his neck out and backed Jackson and let everybody know he was backing Jackson.
2:36:59And then he saw that Jackson couldn't make it.
2:37:02Woodcock, meanwhile, in debt to Fitzsimmons, the tune of $25 million, knowing that Fitz is with us,
2:37:11and Meany knowing that, and worried about Fitts' leverage over Woodcock, sees Woodcock getting out front endorsing Muskie, and recognizes that, Meany recognizes, that after the Democratic convention, if by any chance, Muskie should come out as the nominee, he, Meany, will not have the leverage with the Democratic, you know, with the White House.
2:37:37Woodcock will be number one in labor.
2:37:40Hence, he precipitates a crisis which Woodcock has no option but to join, and is now trying like hell to bring Woodcock into the Abingall CIO, so that it must be worded enough that it rains.
2:37:54And Meany would control Woodcock, which would be the entree of Boston.
2:37:59The other thing that's valid is that he said that Meany was, he called Robert Lewis, he said he was totally, what did he say, power.
2:38:11What was it that he said?
2:38:12Arbitrary.
2:38:14Well, he was usually...
2:38:15He cares about power.
2:38:16He's a total dictator.
2:38:18Oh, Christ.
2:38:19and has no constituency.
2:38:20Of course, what he told me on the telephone last week, which is the one thing that sends George Meany out of his mind, is he said, I'm not going to come to talk to you.
2:38:28He said, you don't have any members.
2:38:31The one thing that drives him crazy is that he has a constituency of 112 years of presence in the talk.
2:38:43But Meany is so correct with these people, ordering them over.
2:38:48I've been meeting him, I want you to come.
2:38:52He says, I'm not coming.
2:38:53I can imagine that was an explosive conversation.
2:38:56But listen, check that Columbia country, Quentin.
2:38:57Yes, sir.
2:38:57I don't need the help.
2:38:59I don't know anybody out there anymore.
2:39:00We can try it, but we haven't won a country.
2:39:01We can try it, but that's because Meany belongs to Columbia.
2:39:05Does he want to belong to Columbia, or would he like to go to Burning Tree?
2:39:08Well, that would one-up Meany, because Meany is in Columbia, but wants to get in Burning Tree and can't.
2:39:13Fitz wants to get into Columbia just so he can be on the fire with me.
2:39:17Oh, I want up on, I mean, Bernie, too.
2:39:19I tried Bernie, too, but I don't know if they always can.
2:39:23But Columbia, I don't know.
2:39:27But we went over the whole list, I suppose, about a month ago, and there wasn't anybody that... We probably don't.
2:39:32Columbia isn't much, isn't the place you...
2:39:35But I belong there.
2:39:36Yeah, but it is.
2:39:37It's pretty sort of second level, isn't it?
2:39:43No, he said to me going out, he said, he's been wanting to bring in Joe Tertullian from New York and Schlesing and Mullen and all those guys, Miller, and sit down and talk some hard politics with me.
2:39:59And I just didn't have time, but he said going out, he said, I want to set this up in the next two weeks.
2:40:04And he said, we're just going to line up the executive council.
2:40:07And he said, we've already got the word out around the country, which is true.
2:40:10George Bell and
2:40:12went out to meet with all the Western Ohio business agents of all the unions, Eastern Ohio, under the auspices of our friend in Pittsburgh, Galtieri.
2:40:20And he said, every team should do a man.
2:40:23He stood up and said, well, I'm the next.
2:40:26He said, that's unanimous.
2:40:27Every team should operate in Ohio.
2:40:31Fitz is a deadly serious fellow.
2:40:34He says something, he sticks to it.
2:40:38They could be a hell of a lot of help.
2:40:42I was awfully happy he mentioned that, because that's what I was wondering.
2:40:46I got some air, but I just thought we'd just let him know that we're on the right side of that.
2:40:54Because he knows Harper went on national TV and endorsed you, in effect.
2:40:59And that makes Fitz nervous.
2:41:03He got very nervous after that issue was answered.
2:41:06He called that meeting, that meeting was, he said that Belvedere didn't have the entree in the White House and all that we did with the Democrats.
2:41:15Well, for Christ's sakes, we've done as much for George Meany as we should have considering the way he's kicked us around.
2:41:22Well, more than we had any right to expect.
2:41:25And by God, that's why we want to do more for this ball.
2:41:28Yeah, exactly.
2:41:28By God, have him around more.
2:41:30Well.
2:41:31Have him to dinner.
2:41:32Anything you want?
2:41:33His, his...
2:41:35I could tell the last time I...
2:41:36I talked to him the day that it was announced that you were having breakfast with me, and I could just...
2:41:41I could just read the tone of voice.
2:41:43He didn't say anything.
2:41:44Yeah, but you know the reason we did it.
2:41:46Sure.
2:41:47We were ordered to, as a matter of fact, come to work.
2:41:50But I didn't want you to know that I was delighted to see him.
2:41:55And I think he was, these labor guys are at least stimulating and interesting.
2:42:01They're probably crooked as hell.
2:42:03But I'm not raising any questions.
2:42:06They're interesting.
2:42:06These businessmen that come in are spineless, you know, smooth, soft hands, no strength, no character.
2:42:17Drink too much?
2:42:18Jesus Christ, I tell you, my respect for the average American businessman is piss poor old.
2:42:23I swear.
2:42:26That's like you, which is another thing.
2:42:29Because personally, he thinks I'm basically a heart attack driver.
2:42:34That's true.
2:42:36It's a manliness that he feels that.
2:42:40He knows, you know, he doesn't like an elitist, let's face it.
2:42:44And he knows I'm no damn elitist.
2:42:46And yet he knows that I know what this damn story is.
2:42:50He has the most colorful book ever.
2:42:52I noticed today it's very restraining view.
2:42:56He didn't swear, but I've never heard of him.
2:42:58I've never listened to it.
2:43:00Well, every other word is...
2:43:03That's the old son of a bitch.
2:43:05I thought it was funny to call him Meathead.
2:43:08In other words, it was the funniest thing.
2:43:10I sat there with my mouth open.
2:43:13I think George Shultz was even impressed.
2:43:16Actually, he likes George Shultz.
2:43:18Oh, yes, he does.
2:43:18He loves to play golf with him, so they've got a good... That's one thing I will do.
2:43:23I think that I will do this one day.
2:43:26I'm just going to go out and play golf and screw that game.
2:43:31I'll play the other hand, George Shultz.
2:43:35Maybe that'll be the damnedest thing ever.
2:43:40Maybe, hey...
2:43:43If I play golf.
2:43:44He'd love that.
2:43:45No.
2:43:45Because I have played with that player with me.
2:43:47Yeah, he wouldn't want that.
2:43:50He loves to play golf.
2:44:02Well, you're not off yet, are you?
2:44:05Oh, uh...
2:44:05So then if somebody told me, uh...
2:44:09Landers Group, and Julie, I didn't know she'd done this, was on there.
2:44:13She apparently taped a show with Dinah Shore.
2:44:15It was on at nine o'clock this morning.
2:44:18She said it was very good.
2:44:20Anybody see it?
2:44:20I don't know.
2:44:21She did Dinah Shore on 10 o'clock.
2:44:22Well, she taped it while you were in China that night, because it was on this morning.
2:44:25It was on today, yeah.
2:44:27That's nine o'clock.
2:44:28That's a good show to be on, because it's a lot of fun.
2:44:31But, uh, why do you decide to go in?
2:44:34I'm going to settle it tonight, and I have a concert, and I work at that place.
2:44:38Colder and colder would be nice.
2:44:40Good.
2:44:40Hold up.
2:44:41So I'm really serious about it.
2:44:42I appreciate it, sir.
2:44:43And, uh, you might enjoy this time of year, not too bad, sir.
2:44:50I'll tell you a hell of a nice place to go if you play golf.
2:44:53Yes, sir.
2:44:55Well, it's still a nice place to go.
2:44:57In the green brand.
2:44:59Hmm?
2:44:59You ever been there?
2:45:00Yes, sir.
2:45:01Well, our very good friend, Russell Truman Wright, is the manager there.
2:45:04And if you'd like to go wander around there, another good place.
2:45:13Now, at that time of year, it's beautiful.
2:45:15Another place, of course, is down there at the Homestead.
2:45:17The Homestead.
2:45:17The Homestead.
2:45:18And the other one, the other one, you know, where they have all the George Washington costumes.
2:45:27Williamsburg.
2:45:30But it depends on what you want to do.
2:45:32But I think there's probably some advantage to going to a place that is closer.
2:45:40And you know what I mean.
2:45:43Do you ever go back to New England?
2:45:45I go up, I usually go up all the time.
2:45:46My dad sent me to Jagger Isles when I was six or seven, but that's too damn close.
2:45:52My parents live right outside of Boston and I have a lot of friends with places around.
2:45:57I used to grab a great deal, but now I just haven't made it on the weekend.
2:46:04All right.
2:46:05But I'll take it.
2:46:08We've got your, interestingly enough, George Children's is four-year-old-age-appropriate schools, or non-public schools.
2:46:15Yeah, we're all set.
2:46:17And the fact that you're moving along beautifully, I have a call when you come.
2:46:21We're going to do it.
2:46:22I want to do it Tuesday rather than Monday.
2:46:23There's a reason.
2:46:28the day before the Wisconsin crime.
2:46:31And 50% of Catholics stayed at home.
2:46:33See, Tuesday I can't go.
2:46:36See, Tuesday I can't go because it won't hit.
2:46:39We don't care about making big news out of it.
2:46:41We want to hit the people that are there.
2:46:43I'll try to spin out from them.
2:46:44I'll try.
2:46:44I'll try.
2:46:46It'll make enough news.
2:46:47It'll make news where it counts.
2:46:48That's it.
2:46:49That's the point.
2:46:51But I think this is the time to do it.
2:46:53We're going to go right up there in front of those educators and tell them.
2:46:56And I'll go up and see that the sons of Italy.
2:46:58Italy.
2:46:58Italy.
2:46:59Italy.
2:46:59The sons of Italy.
2:47:00Cardinal Carlson.
2:47:01Yeah.
2:47:01Yeah, that's a great son.
2:47:04Well, I should do that.
2:47:05He's a friend of mine.
2:47:09Well, I'll be frank with you, they sensitively are.
2:47:11You gotta go get your ashtrays back.
2:47:15They always do.
2:47:16One?
2:47:17They still have one.
2:47:18When we had the Suns in Italy, I mean, we were missing an ashtray after.
2:47:25Well, that's, of course, Philadelphia is the city where there's been the most heat on aid for broken suits as well.
2:47:32Cardinal Crowe, who's the head of the Council of Bishops, has been the leader in it.
2:47:37That's the city.
2:47:38We should at this instant, unheartedly, give some advance information.
2:47:42Of course, you can actually go to the cardinal court.
2:47:45Yeah.
2:47:46Just call a few cardinals around this country and say the president is going to make this announcement.
2:47:52We'll appreciate your support.
2:47:54Yeah.
2:47:54No, I agree with me.
2:47:55They've got to step up to it.
2:47:57Say a mass every day.
2:48:01Well, Tuesday afternoon, the archdiocese press closes for the following Sunday.
2:48:06Well, this will be it.
2:48:07This will be it before...
2:48:08this is just perfect because they they'll your previous statement my god that was the front page of every capitol newspaper the capitol shows to all the churches so for one week we have crushed the country for a few days the weekend over eastern the country
2:48:34That's the funny thing.
2:48:35If you're going to get a good dose of it, that's fine, which is fine, but somebody else is trying to do it.
2:48:40So what I had is, look, Jack, Teddy had to be around some place, and I'd be off, and the rest, and the ITT would be forgotten the first few days.
2:48:50There's nothing happening there.
2:48:52It's very interesting to note how little congressional mail has been on that.
2:48:54I read this Sunday night.
2:48:58They're not getting all that damn excited about it again.
2:49:02There's a problem.
2:49:03We're not even.
2:49:04We're getting none here.
2:49:07Not even from, not even party workers.
2:49:09They're not getting it from the Republican National Committee.
2:49:13It will develop.
2:49:14If you keep it going long enough, it will.
2:49:16That's what Teddy's figuring.
2:49:18Clinton's had his talk with Eastland, and Eastland said he's absolutely committed to a total turnoff.
2:49:26He will not accept any compromise.
2:49:27He does not agree with any subcommittee activity.
2:49:33Total turnoff.
2:49:35And it will be turned off.
2:49:38And he says that Mansfield, he still believes he's got Mansfield.
2:49:46The giant, I mean, the Grand Union food chains today, the president announced, they announced a freeze for the next month of all meat, poultry, Grand Union sewage.
2:50:05That's one of the largest.
2:50:17Yeah, it sure is, yeah.
2:50:19But that's direct Brazil ESDF, and that kind of thing builds.
2:50:23Yeah, start back the psychology of it.
2:50:27Look, the economy may be on the trade network, but it's going to go down anyway.
2:50:35But you can start a psychology of what this is doing.
2:50:39Right.
2:50:41Did you see Julie on Coleridge?
2:50:42No, I didn't.
2:50:43A couple of times she's done.
2:50:45Someone said it was very good.
2:50:49That I played it.
2:50:50That's what I was going to ask if you played it.
2:50:55All right, okay.
2:50:57You have nothing else, Bob?
2:51:01No, that's it.
2:51:02Some people told me she was just great, to be honest.

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