Conversation: 724-004
Prev: 724-003 Next: 724-005Start Date: 15-May-1972 4:06 PM
End Date: 15-May-1972 4:54 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kendall, Donald McI.; Flanigan, Peter M.; [Unknown person(s)]; Bull, Stephen B.;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:06:11
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:54:28
NARA Description:
On May 15, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Donald McI. Kendall, Peter M. Flanigan, unknown person(s), and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:06 pm to 4:54 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 724-004 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 724-4
Date: May 15, 1972
Time: 4:06-4:54 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Donald McI. Kendall and Peter M. Flanigan.
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Jan-02) Conv. No. 724-3 (cont.)
Greetings
Trip to Soviet Union
-Flanigan’s attendance
Soviet Union
-Vodka Agreement
-Pepsi Agreement
-Trade
-Pepsi for Vodka
-Alexei N. Kosygin
-Vodka sales in US
-Most Favored Nation [MFN] status
-Effect on price
-Summit
-President's departure
-Itinerary
-Austria
-Moscow
-Leonid I. Brezhnev
-Kosygin
-Presence at talks
-Economic expertise
-Compared to Brezhnev
-Leadership
-Nature
-Kosygin
-Brezhnev
-Nikolai V. Podgorny
-Trade
-Nikolai S. Patolichev
-Meeting with the President
-Kendall's meeting with Patolichev and Yuri [?] Ivanov
-Identified
-Kendall’s view
-Other meetings
-Vladimir Alkhimov
-Identified
-Alexei Manzhulo
-Identified
-An unknown person
-Kendall's advice
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Jan-02) Conv. No. 724-4 (cont.)
-Previous efforts
-Importance of personal relationships
-Continuity
-Specialization
-President's previous speech on the blockade
-Support for the President's position
-Business
-Labor
-Frank E. Fitzsimmons
-George Meany
-Leonard Woodcock
-Business
-Telegrams
-Influences
-New York Times
-Washington Post
-Chet Huntley
-David Brinkley
-Walter L. Cronkite, Jr.
-The President’s view
-Rusty Young
-Trade
-Brezhnev
-Soviet economic, political, and social objectives
-US position
-Soviet as bargainers
Vietnam
-William P. Rogers
-Speaking ability
-Business Council speech
-Kendall’s assessment
-Content
-Paul Ostend [?]
-Assessment
-Feedback
Soviet Union
-1959 compared with 1972
-Differences
-Consumer goods
-Marketing opportunities for Pepsico
-Eastern Europe compared with Western Europe
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Jan-02) Conv. No. 724-4 (cont.)
-Romania
-Yugoslavia
-Czechoslovakia
-Hungary
-Poland
-Agreement to market bicycles
-Montgomery Ward
-President's trip
-Stop in Poland
An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 4:06 pm.
Refreshment order
The unknown person left at an unknown time before 4:48 pm.
Pepsi-Cola
Soviet Union
-Trade
-Pepsico
-Soviet assessment
-Technology
-Japanese
-German
-US
-Soviet attitude
-Patolichev
-Alkhimov
-Manzhulo
-Other countries' experiences
-French
-German
-Japanese
-Commercial transactions
-Kendall’s view
-Credit
-Negotiations
-Kendall’s view
-International Brotherhood of Teamsters
-Kendall’s experience
-Brezhnev
-Eisaku Sato
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Jan-02) Conv. No. 724-4 (cont.)
-Ivanov
-Identified
-David Rockefeller
-Ivanov’s view
-Relations with US
-Alkhimov's comments
-Change
-Philosophy of spreading communism
-Chile
-Cuba
-Political persuasion
-Alkhimov
-Summit
-Preparations
-Military
-Alkhimov's comments
-Influenced by US expenditure
-Supply of North Vietnam
-Competition with People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-Mikhail Suslov
-Economic interests
-Growing power
-Summit
-Effect on the President's Vietnam actions
-Follow-up negotiating team
-Business issues
-Grain
-Lend-Lease
-Kama River
-Composition
-White House
-State Department
-Commerce Department
-Agriculture Department
-Rotating chairmanship
-Continuity
-Problems
-Bureaucracy
-Williston Scott's level
-Department Secretary level
-Stature
-Peter G. Peterson
-Rogers
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Jan-02) Conv. No. 724-4 (cont.)
-Earl L. Butz
-Personal relationships
-Alkhimov's comments
-Continuity
-Importance
-Kendall’s view
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:06 pm.
President's schedule
-George P. Shultz
-Caspar W. Weinberger
Bull left at an unknown time before 4:46 pm.
Soviet Union
-Trade
-Summit
-Follow-up negotiating team
-Jewish team members
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Soviet attitude
-Soviet attitude
-Nathaniel Samuels
-Limitation of numbers
-Kissinger
-Soviet attitude
-Ambassador from US
-Change
-Jacob D. Beam
-New post
-Health
-Agriculture
-Credits on consumables
-Refusal
-Flanigan
-Credits on capital goods
-Acceptance
-Reason
-Grain
-Length of commitment
-Commercial credit
-Level
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Jan-02) Conv. No. 724-4 (cont.)
-Fixed
-Export-Import [Ex-Im] Bank
-Establishment
-International Monetary Fund [IMF]
-Advice from Kendall
-Amount
-MFN status
-Necessity
-Trade with US
-Importance
-Poltical impact
-Kendall's opinion
-President's and Kissinger's opinion
-Role of new Ambassador
-Maurice H. Stans
-Trip to Soviet Union
-Communications
-The President
-Peterson
-Flanigan
-Butz
-The President
-Peterson
-Criticism
-A party
-Peterson
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George C. Wallace
-Assassination attempt
-Condition
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Jan-02) Conv. No. 724-4 (cont.)
-Attacker(s)
Support for the President
-Businessmen
-Kendall
-Flanigan
-William S. Renchard
-Stans
-Service as Secretary of Commerce
-The President’s view
-Complaints of elite
-Exceptions
-Young
-Frederick Weyerhauser
-Kendall
-Labor leaders
-Fitzsimmons
-Meany
-The President’s view
-Election support
-Businessmen
-Compared with labor leaders
-The President’s view
-Need to build new establishment
-Difficulty
-James M. Roche
-Assessment of hippie culture
-Replacement of General Motors [GM]
-Richard Gerstenberg
-The President’s view
-Harvard Business School
-Problems
-Chairman for San Francisco
-Number called
-Chairman for Los Angeles
-Forest Shumway
-The President’s view
-Future
-Liberal-labor hegemony
-Need for businessmen to unite
-Kendall as exception
-Business Council
-Membership
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Jan-02) Conv. No. 724-4 (cont.)
-The President’s view
-Fair-weather support
-Number of supporters of the President
-Robert H. Abplanalp
-Attitude of other businessmen
-Amount of holdings
-Source of fortune
-Attitude toward businessmen
-Kendall
-Background
-Businessmen
-Prospects of support for the President
-Roche
-Business Council
-President's appearances when Vice President
-Follow-up
-President's expectations for future
US establishment
-Businessmen
-Press
-Time
-Newsweek
-Life
-Three major television networks
-Ownership
-Jewish
-Philosophy
-Left-leaning
-Los Angeles Times
-Education leaders
-Ivy League professors and presidents
-Position on Vietnam
-Larger colleges
-Social class
-The President’s view
-Exceptions
-Kendall
-Flanigan
-The President’s view
-President's treatment of establishment
-Kendall's attitude
-Business Council
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Jan-02) Conv. No. 724-4 (cont.)
-Flanigan's suggestions
-President's attitude
-Problems
-Texas chairman for the President
-William P. Clements, Jr.
-Kendall’s view
-John B. Connally
-Desire for David Packard's job
-Connally
-Lawyers
-Compared to businessmen
-The President’s view
-Business leaders
-Kendall's efforts
-President's appreciation
-The President’s view
-Abplanalp
-President's invitations
Pepsi
Henry A. Kissinger entered at 4:46 pm.
-PRC
-Women in PRC and Hong Kong
-The President’s view
-Soviet market
Soviet Union
-Trade with US
-Centralization of US decision making
-Role of lesser figures
President's schedule
-Golf with Joe Wolf
Kendall and Flanigan left at 4:48 pm.
Soviet Union
-Kissinger's meeting with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
Wallace
-Shooting
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Jan-02) Conv. No. 724-4 (cont.)
-Assailant
-Suspected George S. McGovern supporter
-Violence
Soviet Union
-Captured Soviet spy
-Appeals
-Deportation
-Richard G. Kleindienst position
-Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] and Justice Department
-Kissinger's recommendation
-Exchange
-[Forename unknown] Malekov [?] release
-Conditions
-Trade
-Kendall's meeting with Nikolai S. Patolichev
-Effect of meeting with the President
-Kendall’s view
-US policy
-Kendall knowledge
-Flanigan
-Knowledge
-Kissinger’s view
-Haldeman's recommendations
-The President’s view
-Decision making
-High level
-President's meeting with Brezhnev
-Responsibility for Flanigan
-Agriculture credits
-Butz
-Flanigan
-Peterson
-Duration
-Kendall's recommendation
-Kissinger's recommendation
-Benefits
-Lower level bureaucrats
-High level officials
-Negotiating team
-Kendall's recommendation
-Kendall's impressions
-Peterson
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Jan-02) Conv. No. 724-4 (cont.)
-Butz
-Flanigan
-Samuels
-[Forename unknown] Dean
-Peterson
-Kissinger’s view
-Decision on credits and MFN status
-Timing
-Reasons
-Fragility
-Soviet spy
-Importance
-The President’s view
Vietnam
-Military action
-Bastogne-Birmingham Road
-Reoccupation
-Previous reporting
-Current headline
-Washington Star
Kissinger's schedule
-East Room reception
Kissinger left at 4:54 pm.