Nixon, Haldeman & Colson on George Wallace assassination attempt

50:24He's upsetting it half-heartedly.
50:25He knows some page numbers.
50:29That's what I mean.
50:30That's what he does.
50:32And he said, what's on the internet?
50:37Page 534 to 568 or something.
50:41In fact, I've been trying to think maybe we ought to have a memo for the president's file.
50:45I can give you one of those.
50:48Thank you, Mr. President.
50:50Mr. Ziegler has raised the point that he thinks we should go ahead with this enterprise decision.
50:56Is that what you think?
50:57That's what I mean, that I think we should.
51:05I think we should.
51:05Yeah.
51:06Okay.
51:06But a memo to the president's office, right?
51:08What was the request from the Bureau today?
51:13Yeah, there should be.
51:13I will be sure.
51:24There should be a seminary.
51:25What's it?
51:27I think it should be shut down.
51:29And I think for your protection, and in order to the White House did last night, that if at some point it ought to exist, if you get hit by a cannon or or .
51:51I'm gonna be single all the time again.
52:18that when a bold move has to be made, if somebody tries and fails, that I understand that, and I'll back him up.
52:29But if somebody doesn't try, then he doesn't go up.
52:32See, that's totally different from the rule of the bureaucrats.
52:37The bureaucrats, the main thing is whether they fail.
52:41That means most people go up who don't try.
52:45Because people who try sometimes succeed, sometimes fail.
52:48Now, you tell Abrams of God damn it.
52:50I wanted him and you and the rest to make it in terms of trying some new things.
52:55Now, they fail.
52:56I mean, I don't mean to fail big.
52:57But a few little ups and downs are going to hurt them.
53:00But it's sitting on our ass and not trying.
53:02You understand?
53:03All right.
53:04Well, that's what I want you to get into that whole God damn army when you get over there.
53:07Is that clear?
53:09That's my rule.
53:10The rule for promotion from now on is not whether I see a fitness report, one of these nice little things.
53:16I made those out when I was lieutenant commander, and there were all these little boys underneath me.
53:22And so what happens is that you get the impression that
53:27His shoes were always shining.
53:29He always smiled at the right time.
53:32He never thought of his copybook, as they say in Britain and all the rest.
53:36That didn't mean a thing to me.
53:37I mean, what we want are guys that try.
53:40But if they try and fail, my view is I'll back them up.
53:43But if they don't try, they're out on their ass.
53:47Okay.
53:58That's me you've got to tell these jackasses around here.
54:02Our people do drugs sometimes.
54:04What I mean is, I tried to work my way out of that place, but I'll do the bureaucracy job.
54:10That's the problem with government.
54:13Am I wrong?
54:13Everybody's afraid of it.
54:14Everybody's afraid.
54:15They're afraid of failure.
54:16So they don't try.
54:32He doesn't want you to.
54:37He says you shouldn't go out.
54:40No, I didn't ask him.
54:40I asked him, and he said that, like I said, we need to install Mrs. Walters.
54:43Mr. Walters is a brother of Dr. Kroger's.
54:44I called last night.
54:45I told Mr. Kroger to close the apartment.
54:46I called him, and I said, this is my, this is how I'm going to offer everything.
54:49Well, this is, that's including the residential street.
54:52I said, I've never eaten a goddamn thing.
54:53I was sick, and I've never burned myself in my hands with a baby doctor's.
55:16Anyway, so we've done everything we can in that respect.
55:29On the other side, I asked him for his professional judgment.
55:42As he said, the process in terms of recovery and ability is great.
55:45The reason for it is that the bullet is lodged in the spinal column.
55:47You can probably hear it.
55:48Being lodged in the spinal column does not mean that there isn't a chance that they may be able to get it out in time, but on the other hand, it's a very serious problem.
56:06He says in terms of the very best, that it would be three months before he could be back.
56:12Last night, three months.
56:14I said, well, what do you mean, one month, three weeks?
56:17No, he says three months before he could be back on the fire line.
56:23He said that the, but I said, well, there's a 50-50.
56:26There's a 50-50 that we won't have.
56:28We'll have a lot of people.
56:29This is better than 50-50.
56:31So that's the problem.
56:33He's got it.
58:19Of course, how anybody can be president of this country at this time, we would share, I don't know.
58:26It's difficult for us to know if John was during the war.
58:33I think it was such a long job.
58:36I called and checked the record.
58:39He used to go home.
58:40I've been away from this damn place the only time I've become.
58:46Thank you.
59:05Maybe we make a mistake, but those are all pretty important presidents.
59:10You can have a hell of a time selling them.
59:14Oh, what a cool president today.
59:16You know, those were the days of the $40 million budgets.
59:18That's right.
59:19They were $40 million budgets or less.
59:21And they're less than that, $20.
59:29When I was a congressman, the budget was less than $100,000.
59:32Sure, but Roosevelt's top budget was $100,000.
59:34And they closed the town for three months in the summer in Roosevelt's days.
59:39There wasn't anybody here.
59:42But anyway, that's the way it looks at the present time.
59:45That's how I view it.
59:53Well, I think we ought to start trying to get it back in politics.
1:00:01Yes, for Christ's sake.
1:00:07Mike, what do you have in charge?
1:00:16All the domestic policy.
1:00:17There we go.
1:00:18There we go.
1:00:18All right, now he needs to go to the abortion bill.
1:00:20Yep.
1:00:20He needs to go to Morrisville, and then he needs to go to the bus moratorium.
1:00:24Eric is in charge.
1:00:25I'll go ahead.
1:00:28It's hard to get him to do those things.
1:00:30One was silent, and I'm talking about this.
1:05:41Mr. President, that Secret Service agent was in surgery six hours last night.
1:05:47Yeah.
1:05:47Broke the jawbone.
1:05:48And now his voice box.
1:05:52Well, they say they've repaired the internal tissue damage.
1:05:54They think he had a shattered jawbone.
1:05:57His wife and mother are up there now.
1:06:00This is Georgia.
1:06:01This is Georgia.
1:06:02Detail.
1:06:04I said that we should flower as we send this on the bench.
1:06:09That will be asked.
1:06:14Well, I told Bob this morning.
1:06:41We've got to get this, I don't know, this courier on.
1:06:44There's going to be absolutely no increase in my security.
1:06:50Absolutely not.
1:06:51There's going to be absolutely no increase in my own security.
1:06:55Absolutely not.
1:06:55It's got that left-wing people wanting to appear.
1:06:57This country is built to appear and all that crap.
1:07:03You weren't able to get off.
1:07:03I'm sorry.
1:07:04There was a left-winger.
1:07:05No, you're joking.
1:07:06They're running.
1:07:06They could run.
1:07:07They're running.
1:07:14The wire service was rented with the UPIA account with the reporter on the scene.
1:07:18Yeah.
1:07:18It was so much more complete that they ran that.
1:07:20Although, I noticed the post that they found black painted literature.
1:07:25As well as, as well as black issues, which I didn't realize.
1:07:28What's your judgment?
1:07:29Is it fixed, or is it not?
1:07:34It's not.
1:07:35Sure as hell it's not.
1:07:37It's very disjointed.
1:07:40In six months, he had only one visitor to his apartment.
1:07:43That's his mother.
1:07:44What is the situation?
1:07:46Are you satisfied that we're totally on top of the investigation?
1:07:57Nobody's going to ask any goddamn questions.
1:08:01You put the FBI in charge.
1:08:03They're in charge.
1:08:03The Secret Service is not worth investigating anything.
1:08:07Why can't we get rid of Orhani?
1:08:10Well, I think probably today would be a good, you know, in the context of this whole shift, there can be some changes in personnel.
1:08:20I think, oh, I don't mean today, but I mean, the event today, that's the point.
1:08:26But I don't want to take it like Taylor, a sweet guy, but not a very confident fellow.
1:08:32I mean, he's confident enough, but he's slow.
1:08:36It's like a comparison between him.
1:08:4188 on our staff.
1:08:42And Brandon, once quick, once low.
1:08:46I hit the ball like nothing.
1:08:50I just jumped over the whole goddamn bunch.
1:08:54We don't realize because you've got to have more confidence than you've got.
1:09:00The only way you can get it is to take it and put it in the top.
1:09:05I remember I said, I'm sure you realize about my feeling.
1:09:09I realize what I said.
1:09:10My theory is
1:09:13If a person tries and fails, I act.
1:09:15We've never failed a vaccine.
1:09:17No, that's not anybody.
1:09:18The Supreme Court judges inclined these and all the rest, even though some of them made some mistakes, but they tried.
1:09:27But if a person doesn't try, it's his ass.
1:09:33George comes in with these nice names and says they've done bad in his record.
1:09:37Doesn't he have anything to do with it?
1:09:39I think he should have done bad in his record.
1:09:41Why, is there anything good in his record?
1:09:44Yes, he went to college.
1:09:45He was finally a guy.
1:09:46What the hell was that group?
1:09:48But then he worked.
1:09:50Nothing else.
1:09:51That's all.
1:09:51That's all.
1:09:52That's everything.
1:09:55Well, the Secret Service, to get back to our problem, blew the one thing that they did do, which was to inspect the guy's apartment in Milwaukee.
1:10:09The illegal search and seizure.
1:10:12And so we cut down on all the evidence.
1:10:18But it isn't essential to the conviction, unfortunately, because they have the movies now and the witnesses.
1:10:23But if there's anything in that apartment that's important, it's too bad, isn't it, Nelson?
1:10:30They didn't get a warrant.
1:10:32They didn't get a warrant.
1:10:33They went charging in there.
1:10:35You can understand why they did.
1:10:36They didn't know if this was a nationwide conspiracy to take out all the Democratic candidates or what.
1:10:43But they went charging in there, and it was bad police work.
1:10:47And the FBI found the car.
1:10:50They didn't even enter the car until I had a warrant, which is a damn smart procedure.
1:10:54And it's just the difference in the outfit.
1:11:06We've got to do this.
1:11:06The Secret Service has blown three burgers now.
1:11:11They're out of control of this.
1:11:14They're taken out.
1:11:16Gray's in charge, and he's doing a heads-up job.
1:11:21He's, I think, a big improvement, actually, over the way Hoover was formed.
1:11:27I have no question.
1:11:28Everything happened for the better.
1:11:32Second point.
1:11:34I realize this is a totally legal thing, and I realize it's about the National Idol Association.
1:11:41I don't give a damn if a person has the right to wear a shotgun, but I don't know why any individual should have a right to have a revolver in his house.
1:11:50It's a dangerous goddamn weapon.
1:11:52The kid is going to kill themselves with it, so why in the name of Christ can't we go after him?
1:12:00I'm a radical association to be against.
1:12:02The gun makers to be against.
1:12:03But God damn it, people should not have handcuffs.
1:12:06Do you not agree?
1:12:06Why?
1:12:06I don't agree with your question, because I don't think it would solve the problem.
1:12:16The argument doesn't exist.
1:12:17But handcuffs are so easy.
1:12:21Oh, I know.
1:12:21The argument is that people who want to protect themselves have a right to words.
1:12:26The criminal will always get a word to you.
1:12:29It would scare people with this.
1:12:34That's it.
1:12:36All right.
1:12:37All right.
1:12:38All right.
1:12:40All right.
1:12:42All right.
1:12:43All right.
1:12:45All right.
1:13:10Well, we're cranking on it, and what I think we ought to do is get a paper to you today that explains the issue and why we've had it bottled up.
1:13:18We talked about that this morning.
1:13:20Yeah, it was such a fascinating point.
1:13:23You know, there's some possibility that the idea of the concealed weapon, or the automatic jail sentence for carrying a concealed weapon, let me say this, if we could do that...
1:13:31If we could do that in the automatic fields, I'd like to move on it today, though, or tomorrow.
1:13:36See what I mean?
1:13:38Move fast.
1:13:38That you spoke of in the 68 campaign, that everybody feels better about because no one has the right to carry it, but to keep it in your home for your protection, I bet you.
1:13:47Right.
1:13:48If we get something out fast, let's get a crow, get something out, and that doesn't go against this thing.
1:13:53This Saturday night special stuff we've been talking about wouldn't go against this particular thing.
1:13:59That's right.
1:14:01Well, we'd have a federal law.
1:14:03Now, this fellow transported this thing in interstate commerce.
1:14:23well we have a rule outside of the transportation handguns i think is i remember getting out of that statement i mean just just get a little bit quicker well on a brand new basis though concealed weapon then i think everybody will support that first video let's get it down there but the finance and plenty of characters concealed weapons but a person's at the same time
1:14:45Right.
1:14:46Right.
1:15:05That one wouldn't have hit the Kennedy guy because it wasn't a concealed weapon.
1:15:10Sir, hang on.
1:15:10He had a gun with a lighter in it.
1:15:11I'm telling you, he had a gun with a jacket in it.
1:15:14Honestly, he had a rifle.
1:15:15Oh, okay.
1:15:17But that's all right.
1:15:18That was the mail that Bobby had.
1:16:04So that we can say that we brought it on.
1:16:07We brought a new.
1:16:08I'm predicting that there will be a mandatory for the thing that what did this was mining the parking lot.
1:16:16It certainly will stop their animal killer.
1:16:24Everything is right.
1:16:26Are they playing the wave of violence in the 60s on the wall?
1:16:32Like, in other words, if I were a word or two, if you were not part of that, we would have had the greatest crime in the way of history.
1:16:41You didn't.
1:16:42Killing breeds killing.
1:16:44That's a real word.
1:16:45Killers use kill.
1:16:46That's all there is to it.
1:16:48This guy may never disclose his motives.
1:16:55He's weird enough.
1:16:58He may never know.
1:16:59Probably a pathological liar.
1:17:03Seeking publicity, yeah.
1:17:09I don't think, there's so much hanging for a little while that it's gonna, I don't think you can do the right assessment.
1:17:16I can't grow any more movement on that.
1:17:18Right.
1:17:19You don't know what Wallace is gonna do, which will make some difference.
1:17:24I'm sure his wife and his staff are doing just what you expect them to do.
1:17:28They're charging on, they, they, they.
1:17:34You know, really, this is a good thing for that.
1:17:37Yeah, well, I can't get some people in just because you like it that way.
1:17:47It's going to be, it'll make some changes.
1:17:56Well, I would think that generally speaking, I don't know what you're agreeing on, but I think that generally speaking,
1:18:05There's no reason for us to let this rub off on us.
1:18:09In fact, all that should happen is by being gracious, thoughtful, but not slobbering over it.
1:18:15And at the same time, by taking an action on the gun thing.
1:18:20Gentlemen, that's it out of the way.
1:18:25If you wait three days on the gun thing, forget it.
1:18:28There will be something up in the Congress today.
1:18:30Maybe get it, let us know.
1:18:32That's really
1:18:38People squeal, but do something and do it fast.
1:18:40Would you do that, Mr.
1:18:41Chair?
1:18:41And we're ready to go.
1:18:42Let's put it out on the street.
1:18:44This is the big news now.
1:18:47It's a 10-year sentence for carrying a concealed weapon on a person.
1:18:5610 years.
1:18:56I don't think you have to describe what it is.
1:19:07Well, that's, of course, the thing they've been hung up on in the Saturday Night Special thing is a way to define that.
1:19:14But that's also been an excuse to not do anything.
1:19:18You can do it in the firehouse.
1:19:20Yeah, there are generic definitions.
1:19:22We can get something together on that.
1:25:40And of course, it's over.
1:25:41But there's been remarkably.
1:26:00I don't mean to speak for David, but the other inspector, they're back here in the dark, they're having a hell of a night out in there in check, and a lot of them seem to smell the rain that's coming down in the middle of the night, but it was thought that they were big, so I was the person to report.
1:26:18There was a conscious quality day, but they'd now been a week, like we've been saying, that's the reason we've been here.
1:26:25We could go for 80 hours from these doors to the right side of the issue, but the predictions had gone yet.
1:26:30And the way they are in these spoiled actions, despite the attention of the president, quote, great, they've been just that.
1:26:38They've been moving against the main thing that they're moving.
1:26:42And the main thing, which most of our guys do not understand,
1:26:45This is the effect of what we did last Monday, which I do, and I planned it exactly this way.
1:26:52It is just a question of the effect on the area, on the rest of Dallas.
1:26:59It's the effect on the psychology of this.
1:27:01The psychology of our own, of course, 60,000 Americans out there.
1:27:03The psychology of the environment services around the world.
1:27:06David was talking about his little cruiser.
1:27:10His big cruiser.
1:27:11He said that when they got the word that they were out, the whole day they had a celebration.
1:27:18And none of them had a situation that they... Oh, this girl saw a English angel here.
1:27:27She has a brother or something like that.
1:27:28She said they celebrated a three-in-one.
1:27:30He probably talked about his son in Westlaw.
1:27:34Captain, what happened there?
1:27:36The barracks, cheering, singing, celebrating?
1:27:39Just what?
1:27:39The military saw respect as not their man, but has been recognized and revitalized again, and they realize there's now a chance that we may not lose the first war against them.
1:27:55in our history.
1:27:56We can't win it, but we have to lose it.
1:28:00And they know it.
1:28:01There's that psychological effect in the northeastern beach, too.
1:28:03It's got to be traumatic.
1:28:04And because, basically, now they've cut off the Cambodian bombs, they're cut off by sea, they're getting the British bomb, and we're getting the hell out of them trolling them.
1:28:14And they want their deployment in the name of God, the Constitution.
1:28:18Now, they've got problems.
1:28:20But we have to continue on the rest of it.
1:28:23And here the Washington Press Corp. was politely along, just cracked us back.
1:28:29And they had a mad Irish temper, did this and that the other day.
1:28:32Guess they were trying to hold us back.
1:28:37Rockets was, later it was, only caution.
1:28:40It was a wild war.
1:28:46You know?
1:28:46But they don't realize, they have no understanding of psychology.
1:28:49We haven't done that.
1:28:53This week, we've done two.
1:28:54They were sent to Suffolk.
1:28:57All you had to do was to read the weekly news magazine.
1:29:02Which came out shortly before the war.
1:29:03You feed the Vietnam.
1:29:05You treat the Vietnam.
1:29:07You humiliate the Vietnam.
1:29:08Those decisions are hard and life-enhancing.
1:29:13But all of this time in both campaigns, political campaigns and military campaigns, it's psychology that's terribly important.
1:29:25And they know who's going up and who's going down.
1:29:31I agree completely.
1:29:32I was just going to say, as I mentioned last night, the unfortunate timing of Wallace was that he
1:29:39Probably not to have a lot of good footage of the networks last night, but I had a few, and it was great.
1:29:45And I already spatched on it.
1:29:47Oh, and some of it is moving, and there's footage, and they really, it's coming through that the morale is back in the spirit, and that they're on the move rather than retreating and running.
1:30:00Well, it was a hell of a risk for everybody to, you know, prepare to risk everything to fight this.
1:30:05I know we brought it in memorandum.
1:30:08How this comes out is important, but far more important.
1:30:11So now there's any residue, and far more important than China.
1:30:14It's not how it came out, but is there any residue?
1:30:20Personal presidential leadership.
1:30:22Get a little of that, and the story's going to be awful.
1:30:26Harrison, the one on Sunday, said,
1:30:27The China trip had held an impact on your image of people, perception of people, your boldness in doing it.
1:30:33The question is, how much of that do you hang on to?
1:30:37The question is, what hangs on now?
1:30:40What hangs on today for people now?
1:30:45We've got a little bridge benefit out in front here, quickly, so that's what we've got.
1:30:51No, they came up with a little better system, which is they got them alliterate or something, and they picked up all their sleeping bags and their crud that they've had out on the sidewalk for a year now, and they confiscated it and took it to the police station.
1:31:04They have to go down and bail it out and sign on for it, and when they sign on for it, it comes back here, and if they pick it up again, they can't have it anymore.
1:31:13It's complicated.
1:31:14So now it's
1:31:18I'll lay your money if you went down there.
1:31:24You wouldn't find one out of ten.
1:31:29It was a bird's right quaker.
1:31:32Oh, no, they're over.
1:31:55This is the culinary FBI.
1:31:59Yeah.
1:32:13Members of Bremer's family described Arthur Bremer as a loner who moved out of the family home approximately six months ago and has withdrawn from the whole family since that time, but no indication Bremer's ever used narcotics or alcohol to excess.
1:32:25It also ties into his very interest in politics, being a douchebag member of the Young Democrats Club.
1:32:31According to Bremer's brother, Theodore, Bremer, in a recent past, was a staunch supporter of Governor Wallace, had Governor Wallace posters and stickers on his automobile and in his apartment immediately prior to the Wisconsin Democratic primary in early April.
1:32:43He stated that Dr. Bremer had also been against violence, and to their knowledge, never owned or undertaken any interchangeable guns.
1:32:51He shot point blank and screwed it up the way he did.
1:33:23I'm going to have a meeting this morning, but they have to be asking a secret service to you.
1:33:28Would you, John?
1:33:30I can't lie.
1:33:31The judge is in the case of the public injury case.
1:33:38In this case, what matters is not the gunman in the crowd.
1:33:42What matters is women in the next 24 to 48 hours.
1:33:48This is a public injury case.
1:33:50I'm forgetting it.
1:33:54But we don't have to say that Reverend is a cop.
1:33:57We say that's whatever he is.
1:33:58I realize I have my prejudice of trial.
1:34:01God damn it, get it said.
1:34:02Remember that Democrats have to come out and get it said.
1:34:06That was, of course, we didn't get that out until 1230 last night.
1:34:08Yeah, but it was buried in the paper this morning by a bunch of assertions that the guy was apolitical.
1:34:13And that's a line that the Post is starting to move very hard.
1:34:17And I think we've got to get this out and get it scotched.
1:34:23Why are you supposed to do it?
1:34:25It's me.
1:34:26Well, the first CPO said that.
1:34:28Okay.
1:34:29That said everything.
1:34:30Yeah.
1:34:39Well, let's do it all over the book.
1:35:14We've got this.
1:35:35I think the big question that somebody's going to figure out is how is this fellow been supporting himself?
1:35:42He's got...
1:35:43He worked in an athletic club.
1:35:44He worked as a janitor for the schools.
1:35:47He's got a three-bedroom apartment.
1:35:49He goes out and buys a pistol that costs $100 last week.
1:35:52He had three jobs, though.
1:35:55He declared his net worth of less than $200 and less than $10.
1:35:58And that revolving 11 is a waste of time.
1:36:02How the hell does he get a freeway from the parking lot?
1:36:08And without a job.
1:36:09Driving in Washington.
1:36:16John, all the VR, all VR, all VR.
1:36:25We got on the right side of the school right back.
1:36:46We've got to understand that.
1:36:47We've got to understand that.
1:36:49Nothing, I mean, nothing that I can go for.
1:36:51We can have the most beautiful, rivetingly sharing program, and welfare reform program, and health reform program, and Expo, Transpo, 66, and 64, and I don't know how to make it.
1:37:04I don't know how to make it.
1:37:10Foxfire's got a great line on that.
1:37:12Transpo is the most ill-conceived federal venture since the Battle of Little Big Heart.
1:37:32You're going to hear some squeaking about the pressure that we put on these guys when you see findings this morning.
1:37:48and they apologize to you because they didn't have their report in on time, for instance.
1:37:54We've got them on very short tether.
1:37:56And so, yeah, I know you've considered reporting this matter, but John was using the report as a device.
1:38:01It is the report on time.
1:38:02The address is getting control of another thing I don't remember.
1:38:05Is it my address?
1:38:07It's like everybody else who goes through the horrors of the investigation.
1:38:11He's got to shine.
1:38:12Very.
1:38:13He's got to shine.
1:38:14And he wants to prove that he's a good guy.
1:38:16Wow.
1:38:16And so you've got to be worried that they have to turn you down.
1:38:20I have an understanding.
1:38:21Loyal, sweet, not gray.
1:38:21It's not going to be not shining.
1:38:23Because he's going to have to go out and steal.
1:38:25And also, gray is the rule of the sun.
1:38:28Well, I have an understanding with Kleinbeach that we don't deal through him to gray.
1:38:32We deal directly with gray.
1:38:33I deal directly with gray always.
1:38:35I'm going to get you.
1:38:40He told me that.
1:38:41Did he?
1:38:41No.
1:38:58That's the way it's always been the case in their time, so it's best that the Justice Department not know first.
1:39:02We'll tell you what we think you need to know, but you just got to understand it.
1:39:05I understand it.
1:39:06I understand it.
1:39:08So he brought that back to me, then.
1:39:10Yeah, there's other questions if you don't know it.
1:39:18But don't say anything nice to them.
1:39:20If you're talking to either the FBI or the Secret Service, if you pat them on the back and say you folks are doing a great job, I'd tell them what a crappy job they're doing and keep it from being hired to them.
1:39:36I'm going to get rid of Rowan.
1:39:38I'm going to wait about two weeks now.
1:39:41Well, let me, yeah, George can do that.
1:39:43George can do it.
1:39:44But listen, I don't have confidence in Taylor.
1:39:46I love him now.
1:39:52Part of our problem with Raleigh is the whole, you got nothing in there.
1:39:58After Raleigh comes half a dozen other guys that are even worse than Raleigh, which is just bad.
1:40:04Kelly and why not Duncan?
1:40:05So you gotta dump the whole batch.
1:40:07The one guy with a possibility, and I'm not convinced he's right, but he's the one that Archie will think is the guy he's gonna kill.
1:40:15And he may be, why not a man that we know totally like Duncan, who's with us?
1:40:21I'm not sure Duncan can run it, but he can.
1:40:24Sure send a hell of a signal through that app.
1:40:26Duncan was my man from the beginning.
1:40:29I like him.
1:40:30He's totally strong.
1:40:31I don't know whether he has, frankly, the intellectual ability to run.
1:40:37I don't know whether intellectual ability amounts to anything.
1:40:40I was going to say, I want the third lady to be with us.
1:40:43He's got a lot of the same attributes that Greg has.
1:40:50Nothing to do with that.
1:40:51He taught school, for Christ's sakes, you know.
1:40:53He talks slow, and he seems to act slow, but God damn it, he always seems to talk right.
1:40:59Your problem with Duncan is that he is absolutely square with the book.
1:41:04No, he isn't.
1:41:05The hell he is.
1:41:05Listen, I've got to hit him with that book.
1:41:07It's going to pay more time.
1:41:08You've got a question?
1:41:18There's some really good ones in the presidential detail, but they're too far down.
1:41:53He's got some independent money.
1:41:55He does the work because he likes it.
1:41:58He's got polish.
1:41:59He's tough as hell.
1:42:01Great in the Nats.
1:42:02He's a super guy that advances on foreign events.
1:42:05He can deal with foreign events.
1:42:08We've got some awful good people.
1:42:10I'm a member, but the kids are good.
1:42:23what I just said.
1:42:24I'm not going to have Chris come down to Agnew's testimonial on Friday.
1:42:28But we've got to change the list here to see what the situation is.
1:42:33But I would say just as a precaution for 10 days, I wouldn't have milk running around.
1:42:38I love it because I can walk around the town every day.
1:42:42Because by God, we can't just back down the hatch because the goddamn New York Times says we can't do anything.
1:42:49I hope.
1:42:56What I'm saying is that after the 1st of June, I want the Philadelphia, that's great.
1:43:02I, for the 1st of June, I want them out.
1:43:04Out, you know.
1:43:04And I don't want them to be scared.
1:43:09I don't want them to be scared, but I, you see, the spirit of this country is also, that's it.
1:43:21And I just,
1:43:26We can do some symbolic things in the next day or so before we go.
1:43:29Well, I'm going to just say that I made a vow.
1:43:33I'm going to tell you.
1:43:35Yep.
1:43:35Very good.
1:43:36I see a few of the tourists out there, and I'll walk them up and shake their hands and so forth and get stabbed.
1:43:43And I can do that.
1:43:44Thank you.
1:43:59Well, we'll think of that.
1:44:01I agree with you, but I've got to be on the books.
1:44:08I mean, the books are great.
1:44:10That'll be a secret service.
1:44:11Our police are not going to happen.
1:44:14Do you understand?
1:44:15The Secret Service has probably been already on the mark.
1:44:17I want to increase the details for the Australian total.
1:44:20There's to be no changes of any of their operations.
1:44:23No entries of paramedics or other lives.
1:44:25Could I ask you to have, say, their name on the lab?
1:44:30I mean, I think I can see that.
1:44:33Well, I don't think that's a good idea.
1:44:37People are worried about you at a time like this.
1:44:40And if you go across that green, it seems to me that that's a very...
1:44:50But you sure don't want people to think you're foolhardy.
1:44:55I think you could do something symbolic with regard to the Secret Service agent to emphasize the point that Wallace had protection, that he was afforded protection by the federal government.
1:45:08Well, putting it up to Teddy, he did that pretty clearly.
1:45:10That helped.
1:45:10That was good.
1:45:11That helped.
1:45:12But I think the fact that we— Well, it's all right.
1:45:14When I go out today, I've got to say a word about Wallace before I go through this damn announcement.
1:45:22I can say that I've been in touch with the hospital and its conditions and the group.
1:45:33But what I was going to say, what I was going to say, what I think could be said is that, incidentally, I don't know where I might be on this one.
1:45:41The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
1:46:05Any general statement you make like that they deserve protection on is fine.
1:46:09I don't think you should be in a position, I got to think about it last night, watching you at 11 o'clock on the news, where they had you on saying that Governor Wallace's condition is good.
1:46:18Well, you were on at 6 saying it was good.
1:46:19He could have died in the meantime, or he could have gone into a coma, and here you are saying he's just fine.
1:46:25I don't think you should give medical bulletins because the news media moves you fast and you don't get on soon enough.
1:46:31If you don't get on this morning, Friday 11th, Friday 11th, she said it.
1:46:34It's period.
1:46:35I'm sorry.
1:46:36But if you go to the office of this commission,
1:46:40You could say that you had been following medical reports not only on the government,
1:47:02And you are aware of that.
1:47:04And we will receive the very best medical attention.
1:47:10That's the benefit.
1:47:14Yeah, that's a good thing.
1:47:18Then if you follow up...
1:47:36Don't don't because we don't
1:48:00Well, I don't know, but I don't think you can afford to acquit him at this point.
1:48:05Can you do this?
1:48:06Can you express appreciation for, and this is just typical of fine law enforcement officers all over this country.
1:48:14Yeah.
1:48:14Yeah.
1:48:25the risk that our law enforcement, and I'm most grateful for what they've done.
1:48:33His mother and wife have been brought up here from the south, and it calls to mind, and so on, somebody else.
1:48:43That's interesting what he said about us.
1:48:48Thanks, Steve.
1:48:52He's got his son on the other side.
1:48:59Here they are.
1:49:16I don't need anything.
1:49:45Thank you, sir.

Nixon, Haldeman & Colson on George Wallace assassination attempt

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