Nixon, Kissinger & Haldeman on SALT and Welfare reform

1:29:43It's a small thing to her.
1:30:11Good times.
1:30:11I think she likes to be answered, Chief.
1:30:16I think I'll be still home.
1:30:20Is somebody else going this time?
1:30:23It's my understanding that Kathy Bachman is going.
1:30:28Who?
1:30:28Kathy Bachman.
1:30:29She's one of us.
1:30:30She's one of us.
1:30:32But the point is that it's always to be done on the basis that I'm going for Maine.
1:30:37I'm going to use it on Maine and Alabama.
1:30:42So she didn't...
1:30:45But I'll get it controlled because we can't have her go to the con because it's just, you know, we've not got that in order to do.
1:30:54And when she's there also, we have a little problem with social problems.
1:30:58I understand that very well.
1:31:00And also, I usually touch base with her and sort of lead her to believe that she's been fucked.
1:31:05Yeah, a lot.
1:31:09He says that he feels that somewhere that Rose got her nose out of coming when she has been told and invited to go to Florida or any place else.
1:31:20Even though she doesn't want to go?
1:31:23Yeah, I didn't know anybody was going at all.
1:31:25I haven't seen a girl, huh?
1:31:28Well, Kathy Popp is going down just under your orders.
1:31:31Yeah, okay.
1:31:32She's got somebody there in case we have a nuclear war or something.
1:31:34That's right.
1:31:36She's going down hiding in the hotel rooms.
1:31:39What was the situation?
1:31:43Why didn't she handle it?
1:31:46I thought she might, well, what bothers her is, has she ever, did she ever talk to her mother about that?
1:31:53No.
1:31:53I mean, she hasn't.
1:31:55She won't want to do that?
1:31:58Yeah, according to Warren, she's looking forward to resting there.
1:32:03Of course she is.
1:32:04I'm sure she probably should.
1:32:09Or whoever goes has to work down there.
1:32:12That's the point.
1:32:17And I get it.
1:32:19And it has to be the work community, work over there in the office, wherever it is.
1:32:24And that's all we've taken up.
1:32:26That's the point that I mean, I don't even know anybody's going.
1:32:31It's the staff secretary that's going down there.
1:32:33The staff secretary has to go, always be there.
1:32:35And God damn it, she does.
1:32:38There can't be any question on that.
1:32:41I mean, I can't hurt her every time.
1:32:44No, you can't.
1:32:45She doesn't want to get down there and do it herself.
1:32:47What did she get me to do?
1:32:51It's much better to have the others and also let them do the work.
1:33:13that's right right here
1:33:43Anyway, that's so damn ridiculous that, you know, you'd be concerned about going back.
1:33:52But she raised it with you, and she raised it with Alex.
1:33:56She hasn't done it.
1:33:58Of course, I didn't even know anybody was going this time, because I figured that nobody is, except for you.
1:34:02You said, as a cloud order, you must always have one secretary.
1:34:06Because I've had occasions when I had to get messages out, and I have no damn way.
1:34:10I can't get up to some, I mean, to Munson.
1:34:14And there always should be some one secretary along, or whatever I have.
1:34:18But over the hell, they're with the military aid, or whoever the hell they stay with.
1:34:22I don't care where, but they're not there for them.
1:34:24You know what I mean?
1:34:26Well, anyway, it's a small thing.
1:34:29It's a stupid little problem.
1:34:31The old question, you know, it's, what does the, what does the Rumsfeld rule of RU for somebody the point they want?
1:34:36Is this fun or serious?
1:34:37Jesus Christ.
1:34:37I mean, take Rosa and every goddamn thing.
1:34:42She went to every social function.
1:34:44I just saw that little one out here.
1:34:46I said, were you in Russia?
1:34:48I never saw her at a goddamn thing.
1:34:49She was there one day.
1:34:51Well, no problem.
1:34:52She had, I think she thought it was a hell of an experience.
1:34:55She did.
1:34:58Is it raining?
1:35:01Yeah.
1:35:04I called you last night.
1:35:33That must be a really goddamn job.
1:35:53Poor Gregory to have that deal with Connors.
1:36:04You do a job, don't you?
1:36:06Yeah, we probably should blast me for a chit-chat.
1:36:12Well, what are your provocations?
1:36:15You're not going down there, Bob.
1:36:18Don't bother.
1:36:19Do what you feel is best for yourself.
1:36:22You'd prefer to go to Camp David, you know, because...
1:36:27Nothing, nothing.
1:36:28I'm not keen on going myself.
1:36:30I can assure you.
1:36:30I could do six to one and a half dozen, but nothing I know of.
1:36:38But I'm grateful to stay here.
1:36:40I'll get sandbagged by, for example, George Shultz or Peterson.
1:36:54I'll tell you what I've done.
1:36:59I've tried to collect a sort of a summary of where things are.
1:37:05When you get to the end of your time down there, I'm planning on coming back.
1:37:11You can look at it.
1:37:13And I think it will bring you up to date pretty well on what the current problems are.
1:37:20There's nothing that can't wait.
1:37:24As far as the action is concerned, there really isn't anything that's all-lettered.
1:37:34We'll want to get started with some stuff when you get back, parochial aids and some things of that kind.
1:37:42Did Bob mention to you Connelly testifying on Monday?
1:37:46No.
1:37:48He's using the – he's – I don't know whether it's an excuse or he doesn't want to testify or what.
1:37:54Everybody feels very keenly that he ought to be the leadoff witness on this debt ceiling hearing Monday because he was in on your breakfast with Mills and understands what happened there and is a good witness.
1:38:08It would be awfully good if we could request him to do that before he comes down to see you Monday afternoon.
1:38:14And why don't we do that?
1:38:42Yes, sir.
1:38:42I just wanted to, I just gave a very general outline of the meetings.
1:38:44Marty said they'd all agree to be reviewed and, you know, they bring the state of the nation forward.
1:38:48I think that Steve should actually put in a tax certificate or a significance report to the Declaration of Principles that...
1:39:01...leaderships to be very responsive to the agreements, and that you made the point that the Senate would have a responsibility to ratify and discuss, and it was my sense that they would proceed.
1:39:13With the discussion in the healthy environment, that was the sense that I got from the meeting, that following the ratification of the treaty, the approval of the agreement that the United States was required to move to the second phase of the under-resolution of the law.
1:39:31So that's basically all I said.
1:39:35But making the point that
1:39:39The leadership and I think they did seem very responsive.
1:39:43We didn't get much chance to do it.
1:39:45We didn't get much chance to talk, which of course is always a way to do it.
1:39:48Seeing that key approval, and I've said that there will now be discussion with the presidents of the cities, and I'm careful with you on this, but I felt that it would proceed in a healthy way, and that we probably can wrap this up.
1:40:07Oh, I hear what you're going to have to say.
1:40:11You've got to be creative enough to doubt what's not going to happen.
1:40:13This is your day to day problem.
1:40:16But I'll be defensive.
1:40:17No, no.
1:40:17As a matter of fact, I tried to take, because you made the remark in there, I tried to take the opposite course, confident in the fact that it's a good agreement.
1:40:25Now it would be discussed.
1:40:27We feel it will be done.
1:40:28Now it's a good agreement.
1:40:29Well, of course, the real point is, what it follows, you want this agreement or not, you're trying to get this agreement or something back.
1:40:35I didn't want to do that, because I didn't want to say it.
1:40:37I thought it would be a shame to say it.
1:40:46But we have, we have our, we have our opposition in the hell of a spot here to run.
1:40:52Because the bastards are divided.
1:40:54I mean, on the one hand, you've got Jackson saying, for Christ's sakes, go out and build 18,000 more submarines.
1:40:58Or ABMs, whatever the hell he wants to build.
1:41:01On the other hand, you've got Men's Field and the rest of the ones that cut the defense budget $30 million right now.
1:41:07They've got to make up their minds.
1:41:09Huh?
1:41:11What are you for?
1:41:12You for cutting their debt, or do you want to make a discrepancy?
1:41:16They're in hell, as far as I know.
1:41:17And of course, the other key point, too, is that you have proven in this that if you have a basis of strength in negotiating issues with the Trump, that that is the only way to accomplish it.
1:41:24I mean, you can't do it unilaterally.
1:41:30If you do it unilaterally, then, I would say, as a man says, you have both rights and better rights.
1:41:34And then you'll find yourselves in the position of Senator Grant's governor.
1:41:39OK.
1:41:41But I thought it was a good, I thought it was an excellent session.
1:41:43They seem to, the best thing to handle is to see if he's not going to get into too much detail where this guy's an idealist.
1:41:48They don't understand.
1:41:49They don't know the size of those goddamn holes or whatever they call them and how many submarines and the G-class and all that.
1:41:58If you get into that, it's a little too complicated for them.
1:42:00But they, I think they're more interested in sort of the generalities.
1:42:06You'll be getting some questions on Laird's request for a supplemental.
1:42:10Laird's going up Monday and asked for 5,000 or more.
1:42:15And part of it's Vietnam and part of it's salt.
1:42:19So you'll be getting some of that.
1:42:25Well, we're caught, of course, in a debt ceiling increase with all this testimony about no new taxes and the revised budget with a big deficit and so on.
1:42:34So we're sort of in the middle.
1:42:37It would really be better if he could wait a little while until we get this tax thing behind us, but I don't know what the ins and outs of that are.
1:42:46Well, we do want to talk to him.
1:42:48Oh, sure.
1:42:50There he is.
1:42:54The answer you've heard me say this morning, I didn't get into that today.
1:43:02I said it didn't raise my options.
1:43:03Yeah, because I didn't want to raise it.
1:43:05But I think if they continue to press on it, the position that we should take is the fact that I committed to anything, but it seems essential that we proceed.
1:43:15On that basis, it was a recommendation of the Joint Chiefs to transfer the...
1:43:19I just simply say it was a recommendation of the Joint Chiefs to go ahead and we support that recommendation and let the goddamn Senate turn it down if they want.
1:43:30We don't care.
1:43:31I personally don't care.
1:43:33It's worth a damn.
1:43:33But from a good look...
1:43:35But no, we won't give it any time.
1:43:36Say hell if anything, the agreement allowed us to build, we're going to build it.
1:43:41We're not required to, but it would be a mistake to not go to the point that we agreed that for which it would go to.
1:43:48Well, just say, put them in the position where they're saying that it would be a suggestion of mine, so that we have an advantage.
1:43:59The treaty was negotiated in such a way that that would be, that would give an advantage to the Soviets.
1:44:03I did make a point that I said that the president came on the Wayne Foundation, though.
1:44:10were good agreements and in the self-interest of the non-specialists.
1:44:13I'm going to get to that point and I'll put this out of the way.
1:44:18Well, I didn't say put this out of the way.
1:44:20All right.
1:44:20Sure.
1:44:21I agree.
1:44:21But I don't decay.
1:44:22OK. All right.
1:44:23Well, thank you.
1:44:28What about your other problems, John?
1:44:30Well, I'm just going to let you wait on those, if you don't mind.
1:44:33No, no.
1:44:33We have one I want to talk to you about.
1:44:35I have a good friend, Elliot Richardson.
1:44:3715 minutes.
1:44:38Elliot's pressing very hard to soften our position on welfare.
1:44:42Do you like it?
1:44:43Softened.
1:44:44Well, the rest is true.
1:44:44Well...
1:44:46Okay.
1:44:47He's got a big memo and a big option paper for you.
1:44:50I want to abolish it.
1:44:53His argument is, well, I want no bill.
1:44:57If we hang in on H.R.
1:44:591 right where we are,
1:45:02And make noises like we're supporting it.
1:45:04Send our congressional guys up to pound the pavements up there and make a lot of motion that we're trying to get H.R.
1:45:111.
1:45:11We'll get nothing.
1:45:12Bob, John, there's no bullshit either.
1:45:14I know.
1:45:15It is a lousy issue.
1:45:16There would be.
1:45:17You would have trouble.
1:45:17After whatever came out of this silly goddamn thing, I think it would be brilliant.
1:45:23Well, see, Elliott's arguing that there's good politics in trying to split off the responsible liberals.
1:45:29Okay.
1:45:29Well, I think we can...
1:45:30Okay.
1:45:30All right.
1:45:31Now, here's my...
1:45:32Here's my Richardson problem.
1:45:33He says that he's got to talk to you about this.
1:45:52He's out of town today.
1:45:58He's going to Japan next Wednesday morning.
1:46:01If you could just somehow figure out a way to stay and keep us game until Wednesday morning.
1:46:07Oh, I'm coming back on Wednesday night.
1:46:09Good.
1:46:09Okay.
1:46:11Okay.
1:46:11Well, then that does it.
1:46:13Oh, sir.
1:46:13That does it.
1:46:15No, I know what his problem is, and I know that he wants to act for all these other's constituencies, and they all think we ought to press him for a vote there, and he wants to make a deal to lose it with Riddle Coffee.
1:46:24Yep.
1:46:24God damn it, sir.
1:46:27They might pass it.
1:46:28Well, and he's undercut us here, in a way.
1:46:31He's been to the Winnesee group.
1:46:32He's been to Scott, Javits, Schweiker, all those guys.
1:46:35Jesus Christ.
1:46:37And he could pass it.
1:46:39If he came partway toward Ribicoff, they'd get a bill.
1:46:42I don't think there's any question about it.
1:46:44Then we'd have a hell of a thing.
1:46:45Then we'd have a hell of a thing.
1:46:46And also, we're not sure where.
1:46:48Well, that's it.
1:46:49That's it.
1:46:50There are a great, great thousand out there.
1:46:52The more I see of it...
1:46:53The compromise that he wants would cost substantially more money than H.R.
1:46:571.
1:46:58What I'd like to do is to have Connelly, as the last desperate actor, say that he regrets that he simply got to pay the bills on purpose and don't give an inch on H.R.
1:47:121.
1:47:12Maybe that's one way or the other.
1:47:14Schultz should say it.
1:47:16Yeah, Schultz is saying it.
1:47:17And he's a better one to say it.
1:47:18Because he's...
1:47:19He's got liberal credentials.
1:47:21He can simply say, I regret it, but I'm just going to say it.
1:47:24And that can do it for a lot of other things, like, for example, if you're counting those guys, they have a lot of great professors.
1:47:33Well, yes, sir.
1:47:34MIT and other schools, no, because they don't know it yet.
1:47:37They're not going to know their strokes until they turn their heads.
1:47:40Good.
1:47:42Now, I've got some other stuff in this notebook that you can look at Wednesday on the clean water veto.
1:47:50Rural revenue sharing.
1:47:53Mitchell disagrees, but everybody else in- Clean water?
1:47:57Yep.
1:47:58He thinks it's a suicide veto then.
1:48:01But anyway, it costs $14 billion and four liters.
1:48:09Well, you've got to do it, though, in a setting of the economy where you say, I'm going to have to take a lot of tough steps here.
1:48:17And he did a lot of things that are often being polite but being favored on.
1:48:21We just can't do it because of the sanctions.
1:48:25Well, anyway, this is postponed until you get around to doing this.
1:48:31There's a little black notebook in there with his stuff in it.
1:48:34And there's another one.
1:48:36It'll be in your weekend read.
1:48:38There's another one on...
1:48:46I was going to tell you that Edward Keller will do not just talk.
1:48:52It's 100% for him to testify.
1:48:55He's very significant.
1:48:57You put Humphrey Cole to say a tremendous thing and tell the president...
1:49:03I'll vote for it and then, you know, disagree and support it.
1:49:07John Stanton, I don't know whether he had a chance to... No, I didn't see anybody play it.
1:49:11He said, I want you to know that I'm going to be a strong supporter of the treaty.
1:49:16I'm just playing it now in such a way so that it might support me in some way.
1:49:22Listen to a little more testimony and then I'll come out strong.
1:49:25He's talking about the ABM treaty.
1:49:26The SALT treaty.
1:49:27The SALT.
1:49:28Well, the ABM party.
1:49:30Les Aaron is treading forward...
1:49:33Maynard came up to me and said, Maynard's all right.
1:49:36Yes, they said, we'll take care of the house for you.
1:49:38What we want to do is meet with you next week.
1:49:42And then we'll plan the strategy.
1:49:44It's a masterful achievement, they said.
1:49:46Maynard asked a critical question, which was that it enabled us to stick it to Mansfield.
1:49:51And you see that silly owner.
1:49:53Do you know Mansfield made the statement we shouldn't build a site around Washington?
1:49:57My owner says this requires development.
1:50:01And then, of course, we'd be damned if we don't.
1:50:04McGregor said there would be no more than six votes in the Senate against the truth.
1:50:10The other thing is, Henry, I think that Maynard asked a good question.
1:50:14He said, how about these other programs, our defense programs?
1:50:17That's what I mean.
1:50:19So we could be for them.
1:50:20There's your hawks.
1:50:22As long as we're for those programs.
1:50:23Tala came up to me and said he was tremendously reassured.
1:50:28Mahon said he would fight for it.
1:50:30Aaron said he'd fight for it.
1:50:32No, the only one that wasn't there was Peter.
1:50:35No, but Aaron said, they're sure they can get Peter here.
1:50:39And I'm going to be pretty big on that.
1:50:41And could I ask you to do this?
1:50:43Because he's such a personal friend.
1:50:45You might even call him here and say to the President, just say, Congressman, the President noted you were not there and wanted me to be sure it's getting that.
1:50:55He'd love it.
1:50:56And he'll say, I'll do what he says.
1:50:57We had an experience that got overwhelming.
1:51:01I mean, I thought that through.
1:51:04It was really, well, I think I did hear recommendations to how to do it, because we had gotten into all the haggling details and everything, but we had just enough detail to give them a feeling that we negotiated hard, and we gave them enough answers.
1:51:23Well, I think the way you ended it was very helpful, because I had given them such a tough line.
1:51:29that for you to get some stuff to .
1:51:32Well, it's true.
1:51:34It is absolutely true, you know?
1:51:36I mean, it's true, due to the fact that neither you nor I appreciate, I mean, like.
1:51:45Actually, our better course, really, if we had a goddamn Congress line, is to go out on a building program of our own.
1:51:53No.
1:51:53But we did not have a Congress horse.
1:51:56No, our best course is to do what we did and use the five years to start a building program.
1:52:01Yeah.
1:52:02Well, yeah, it was what I had.
1:52:04Did you know?
1:52:05Well, you well know, Henry.
1:52:06You well know.
1:52:07The way, where did we have, we went to Moscow with no cars.
1:52:12And we did that well with no cars.
1:52:15That's the point.
1:52:15Did you notice how I got the submarine thing in?
1:52:17Oh, yeah.
1:52:18There's a copy of it.
1:52:19You'll notice that I told Gresham, I said, he knew very well that we weren't going to build any submarines.
1:52:28I thought your opening statement was good.
1:52:31It was very long, it was weak, but it was, it showed that there was a real conception there, that we hadn't just gotten there by accident.
1:52:38And it could, I thought it was, and incidentally, I hope that you always do this, too, because you have Marvin and I, always bringing the China part, too.
1:52:47Because I don't want the Chinese to get the feeling we're screwing them.
1:52:50And it's not that close to Mansfield.
1:52:52So, if you notice, he would know how to go down there.
1:52:55Yeah.
1:52:57And that doesn't make the Soviet mad.
1:53:00No, it doesn't.
1:53:01Well, we've got to be careful.
1:53:04Well, we didn't go too far.
1:53:06No.
1:53:06The Chinese are doing it for this reason.
1:53:09No.
1:53:09No.
1:53:10Thank you.
1:53:10The Soviets would like at least the impression that they have isolated the Chinese.
1:53:14Yeah.
1:53:15We have to leave it.
1:53:16We have to leave it.
1:53:17We still have to leave it.
1:53:18They're going to jump on us.
1:53:19Yeah.
1:53:20I just can't.
1:53:22We've got to resist it.
1:53:23We can't.
1:53:24Well, we can't.
1:53:25If the Soviet Union takes China, they take the world.
1:53:29Because of the Soviet power, Chinese manpower, they got the world.
1:53:33In fact, that's what I would have discussed with our government.
1:53:37I told Mansfield, I said, look, we're informing the Chinese of all we've seen.
1:53:42We're insulting them.
1:53:45Good.
1:53:46Excellent.
1:53:47Yeah.
1:53:49But I do think that you .
1:53:51Yeah, for me.
1:53:54The letter, I don't mean you, but Kev Sonnenfeld or somebody.
1:53:57No, no, I do not know Sonnenfeld.
1:53:58No, the hell with you.
1:53:59You've got enough to do.
1:54:00But you know those letters are very helpful.
1:54:02Yeah, except we have to be careful that these guys can't have anything.
1:54:06They can show it out.
1:54:08Yeah.
1:54:08No, I know.
1:54:09I'll do it.
1:54:09I'll make an oral message from you.
1:54:11Yeah, an oral.
1:54:12You mean to the Chinese?
1:54:13But I meant to some of the other leaders.
1:54:16Like the Prime Minister.
1:54:16Like the Prime Minister.
1:54:19I read your letter to the cabinet.
1:54:21Can you help me call a chance if we can get a British one for me with a Chinese one?
1:54:25Well, do you remember the Polish prime minister mentioning letters to you?
1:54:29I don't know what the hell I had written.
1:54:31He's a very, uh...
1:54:32The prime minister was nice, but his wife was probably the most tragic woman of the, uh, of our age.
1:54:43But the guy that really died was the Polish...
1:54:48Their secretary was like, God damn, he's a formidable man.
1:54:52They said, you know, you think of our people, they said, the real concern I have is the way our people underestimate the Communist leadership because they are coal miner's sons.
1:55:05They dig them up the hard way.
1:55:07Some of them do have vulgar manners, not the Chinese, but the Soviet people.
1:55:11And the rest, although both, are still very much there.
1:55:12It's late, but these assholes are highly prolific in their stand, and they are impressive.
1:55:26I don't know an American businessman that I would go to the ring of care.
1:55:27Well, the question is, do you?
1:55:28I don't know.
1:55:44and then we sat through some of this water and some of that, we got a little shot in on that place and, I mean, and I just said to him, I said, I'll tell you what, you can come up to us often, and he said, well, he, I think that there's a possibility that he is going to try to get out of that place.
1:55:51I said, come up to us, and I said, I'll tell you what, I said, I'll tell you what, I said, I'll tell you what, I said, I'll tell you what, I said, I'll tell you what, I said, I'll tell you what, I said, I'll tell you what, I said, I'll tell you what, I said, I'll tell you what, I said, I'll tell you what, I said, I'll tell you what, I said, I'll tell you what, I said, I'll tell you what, I said, I'll tell you what, I said, I'll tell you what,
1:56:13They laughed at everything in a way that I hadn't ever seen.
1:56:16Freshmen could see.
1:56:18And the President's behavior was an installment, because they put it there.
1:56:22I think it's a kind of hypnotic drive, because, you know, the temptation would be to argue
1:56:34I was efficiently arguing the timelines for the show, thinking that he was a good guy and that he was a rather good guy.
1:56:43The president was just sitting there, like a rock, with a slight of a strange little smile on his face.
1:56:48And every once in a while he would throw a tough question on his proceedings at times, and he said,
1:56:55The President just started advancing to that.
1:56:58He's going to thank us.
1:57:00I'll go ahead and thank Danny, who, uh, they were talking about elections.
1:57:05And they said, they, they said, you got, that you, you're supporting this man in South Vietnam, this, uh, this man who has not been elected from the people.
1:57:14I said, who, who elected the President from the government?
1:57:17Yeah, but, um, I suppose, Lord, I suppose,
1:57:20It went on for two hours, and then he stepped through a lot of stress.
1:57:25And then at the end, the president made about a ten-minute statement.
1:57:33So I opened up, and just another button, and dropped off the guitar, and I was just, another button, and then, and, they, suddenly, two of them, they, did what they said, and it wasn't anything we wanted to understand.
1:57:50When they hit back, you could call it, and it was, I mean, mass murder, I mean, everything you've ever seen on a flag, they had.
1:57:59And they said, only if the two of us could talk to each other like this.
1:58:02And it was the most jovial that I ever drank.
1:58:06That was the one that said it.
1:58:11Or was it Persegian as you learned it?
1:58:13No, Persegian.
1:58:14Persegian, he said, would admit it thus far and say, you know, the fact that we've been having this manner of having a kind of conversation over there is a very instructive thing.
1:58:26Then, and he had, I think he, Persegian is, of course, the brightest gal, but on the other hand, Gresham is the toughest.
1:58:33And Brezhnev is a formidable man.
1:58:36I can't shake the part of people who are intolerant of these people.
1:58:40Don't give us adequate intelligence on these people.
1:58:43But you have to remember, Mr. President, that you and I, put together, have lost more time with Brezhnev
1:58:50that all of us voted to leave this in the group, put together, and see where these other foreign leaders, you know, have given us.
1:58:55Every foreign leader has told us that they didn't appreciate it.
1:58:57I heard it over and over again.
1:58:59I see it with very bright eyes.
1:59:00I appreciate it.
1:59:03I said, he's not very smart.
1:59:06Even though he's like, he's like Fitzsimmons or me.
1:59:13That's it.
1:59:15But what businessman will tell you that Fitzsimmons or me is smart?
1:59:22I don't understand every time.
1:59:24Would you agree with that?
1:59:25We, we people, the trouble with the West is we're all over educated.
1:59:29Henry Lepson's right.
1:59:30But then these, these people, I said, don't you regret us a vulnerable man?
1:59:33Well, literally.
1:59:34And then, then the people that I had, it was another vulnerable man.
1:59:39Oh, yeah.
1:59:40Hey, uh, you know, listen.
1:59:41You know, from people, we had a couple of, I don't know, Secretary of State, you know,
1:59:47What do you know about Memphis?
1:59:49I told the president, I said the president said that he was going to do what I told him he was going to do.
1:59:53And he's got, he's got, and we, he's got, we raised by a bill.
1:59:56We have given a bill all, most of the United Nations, to the survivors of it.
2:00:12But Grameen was not on it.
2:00:15He made sense of it.
2:00:18He made sense of it.
2:00:19Right.
2:00:19Well, then I had two four-hour sessions with Grameen, and then on the last day, I came to the President with what he was expecting.
2:00:29Soviet decommissioned support of the Soviet Union.
2:00:35Well, I have a good play.
2:00:38Let me tell you.
2:00:40Tell them I'll be quiet for a minute.
2:00:42Are they on the plane?
2:00:43I think you have, for example, Mr. President.
2:00:47Yesterday, the central committee of the Communist Party in Moscow made a statement supporting what President Putin did to the President.
2:00:57And they had to have something in FYB, which is so paid.
2:01:01What they put into our statement is already so paid.
2:01:04They were going to put into the community case their position and our position.
2:01:10Their position, which was nothing but a word about mine.
2:01:14And they had two statements, and they have one that said, the difference is between Osgoode and the British.
2:01:27And the other one was that they had a favor with Osgoode, and they had with the Army, and they had with the President.
2:01:37I'll say, look, I know you want this.
2:01:38This is going to be very difficult for me, but I'll concede this, but not until you get the answer.
2:01:43But you were in the next position, Mr. President, that the end of the C-5 release means that there's
2:02:01Police guys just pop their way up in here.
2:02:03I told you.
2:02:03I said the president said he's going to do what I want.
2:02:06He's got it.
2:02:21First of all, I didn't think it was a virus.
2:02:22But for me, it's not a virus.
2:02:23He makes me sick of it.
2:02:24You make me sick of it.
2:02:24Right.
2:02:25Well, then I had two, four other patients with me.
2:02:27For example, the last day of surgery, I came to the president's office.
2:02:28One of his detectives, Sylvia, didn't come through.
2:02:48I have a question.
2:02:48Let me hear you.
2:02:49Tell them, I'll be quiet for a minute.
2:02:50Are they on a plane?
2:02:51Is it a drone or a helicopter?
2:02:52I think the U.S., for example, is a business.
2:02:53Yesterday, the center committee of the Communist Party in Moscow made a statement supporting a professional business development.
2:03:11which is so tight, what they put into our state, which is already so tight, they regret to put into our communities, their position, our position, their position, which was nothing but a burden on mine.
2:03:15And they had...
2:03:16They never criticized our mining, even the buddies of mine.
2:03:17Really, they had to admire it.
2:03:18And they... We had to admire the mining we've been doing.
2:03:20And they had true statements, and they have honestly said, the difference is between us versus under the bridge.
2:03:41I'll say, look, I know you want this.
2:03:43This is going to be very difficult for me, but I want to see this.
2:03:46But now I want you to get cancer.
2:04:11means that they'll probably be defeated.
2:04:12But really, you will never know what the, probably will never know.
2:04:14They've always just, you know, used to have their call range from the body of the city.
2:04:17We may, you know, there were some bloody sessions in Henry.
2:04:19The first had to wrap it all up.
2:04:37So I bet you it would be with a typewriter.
2:04:38Right.
2:04:49If Henry has no objection, I'm going to sleep tomorrow for the whole UN meeting.
2:04:53And I'll be gone.
2:04:55I'll be back about the same time you are.
2:04:56Well, that's part of the course, I guess.
2:05:00And I don't need to go, as far as I'm concerned.
2:05:02Now, he's going to make a very provocative speech.
2:05:05I don't mind your going.
2:05:06He's going to make a provocative speech.
2:05:08As long as I'm Vietnam.
2:05:10To the UN.
2:05:10As long as you know you're going to get it.
2:05:12All right.
2:05:16Well, as long as you...
2:05:18The only reason I'm going, Henry, is to keep training and get up in the hospital air base.
2:05:21And then Whitaker's going to go when I come back Wednesday.
2:05:24I think you're going to go anyway.
2:05:25I'm going to go, but be confident.
2:05:27Well, I have that.
2:05:27You see him.
2:05:28You see him.
2:05:28I can speak.
2:05:29I can speak with this other guy.
2:05:30Don't be a mother to him.
2:05:32This is not how it works.
2:05:40The Bill Ryan's always saying, look, the president's doing what he wants.
2:05:45He's getting on Vietnam.
2:05:46He's doing everything that he can to end the war.
2:05:49He didn't need it.
2:05:49No, the thing to do is to say, look, we, it is not we that are continuing the war.
2:05:55They are continuing the war.
2:05:56You say stop the war, tell them to stop it.
2:06:00That's it.
2:06:00Sure, we're ready.
2:06:01But they are on this lead in that sense.
2:06:06Is that right?
2:06:07Yeah, that's right.
2:06:09Well, you know what?

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