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But that is not only about a third of the way, but it's the traffic ways.

It's what, about another, it's about an hour.

That's it.

We're close to it.

It's finally, oh, we'll see.

You know, I'm looking at the schedule and, as I said, tentatively, it seems to me we can make it the,

I haven't made it to the office, and it doesn't make sense.

I may be wrong about that.

I suppose it makes sense that maybe the equestrian can do this to me.

Well, actually, actually,

When you think about the Russian trip, it is so much and everything.

I think that's right.

But really, coming on again can only downgrade it a bit.

I don't know if it's the only thing you can do.

I understand this by playing back to it as you talk about other things.

Yeah, well, we'll do that.

You told Ray that there's going to be a speech edition, sir, and he had a thirst for it.

He should be able to get that out.

He thought he would, because it's a kind of attempt to disperse.

But he's already got a lot of them done, actually.

And I emphasized over and over to him, and I don't worry about what he'd eaten, but I made the point very strongly that it's a different audience.

He would like to use the good material of those speeches and make a point of redoing the timing.

story with the actual quotes in the diary.

Oh, I was noting that there's something in here that says Republican Senators and Republican Congressmen.

I had forgotten about that.

Receptions.

What is that?

Is that for the purpose of getting pictures taken of the bastards?

Yeah.

You know, we were going to do that on the Republican senators, not just pictures.

I'm not going to sit and talk with the idiots.

I'm like, no.

We're going to do them both as receptions.

But just a thing where they come through, but instead of this sort of degrading.

I'm not without the office.

We're not there.

Why?

No one is standing on that screen.

And not candidates.

Not candidates.

The only impression I'll say to the candidates is I'll run into somebody running against Eastman, for example.

These are only incumbents who won.

And it won't be all of them because most, a lot of them, they all have pictures.

Sure.

And some will be virtually happy to use the pictures.

Some won't be virtually happy to use them.

But if you go through the motion of being available to them, then you've shot down any

complaints that the president won't even give a second.

I understand.

They're probably in the dining room and the other in the blue room.

If there's more to them in the hall between the flights or something for a picture, they just don't understand.

But I don't want to stand around and yank with them.

I mean, I'll do a little yanking, but I don't want an actual question.

You can do the yanking by taking them

You know, take a minute with each of us.

He goes, goes, comes up to the picture.

You have to go.

Your thought is we do the press conference.

It's not a bad idea.

That's before the Democrats really get going.

It's before the holiday weekend starts.

It's about the time we'll leave.

Then we take off next week for California.

Yeah.

Congress agenda.

That's right.

I think we ought to do anything out there.

What do you think?

I wouldn't do anything in terms of a normal working, any effort to do that.

We have still like Gateway Park to do in San Francisco, which if you wanted just to go up one day

do an event come down we can do do one day but i i and i'd do that that first week maybe the sixth or something but i wouldn't wonder do you think i could uh flip off the floor and i could go perhaps 16th afternoon well you have to see it's very in the morning but right after the news and i could go

You can stay.

It's a pretty good shot.

Stay on a couple days.

We'll keep Monday and Tuesday clear.

And that's not locked.

We can move that to Wednesday.

Well, Wednesday's your anniversary.

Or we can move the senators to Thursday the 22nd.

That's what they did.

I really believe that was going to be.

That scat deal was going to be on the 27th.

I don't agree.

I don't want to spend that much time on it.

Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night, I'll be ready to come back.

Father's Day, what the hell?

I'm here on Father's Day.

That's an idiot idea anyway.

I don't think I did that right.

Is that right?

To the...

I can tell you salesmen, you know, Morris, Morris.

And let me ask you what you would like, and I don't know whether it's going to get you more tired.

The only other way we could do this would be the chopper off to the .

Incidentally, they can't chop her off to the other place.

They're not?

Maybe.

The only problem I have is I have to be back here at 8.15 tomorrow morning for a briefing on the SALT thing which we are submitting.

Oh.

The next day, and it's Aarons, Ford, Mahon, Stennis.

Well, why'd you do this in the treaty up on Thursday?

What you would do with me to come up the next day.

What's your situation on Wednesday?

Thursday, please.

Thursday, at least.

I could conceivably come up tomorrow night, yeah.

I think one good night up there.

Sleep, relaxation, and so forth.

That I could do.

Come back.

But you don't have to be one.

You don't need to have to.

No, no, no.

I think this, that you sit around here with your nose to the grindstone and it wears you more, I think.

That's right.

No, no, that would be.

Also, I could get more of my work out of the way then.

And I haven't any plans for tomorrow night.

I haven't got any plans for tonight either, sir.

Well, I don't agree with that.

I beg your pardon?

I said you'd agree.

I tell you... Don't ever admit it.

Don't ever admit it.

Well, I can't do anything for both of us.

You know, Nellie taught me some interesting things in her last night.

I don't know how it came up, but, you know, you were kidding a little about, uh, that they haven't had enough.

You know, they...

But I really think that that's a good idea to send over.

Oh, yeah.

And it's got a lot of big play, a lot of piece.

Just confuse that with other people.

Is this one more?

I wrote a personal memorandum with regard to some of my people of the countries I had visited.

And also telling him, you've got a copy of it.

And I suppose it should be gone today.

It's supposed to be messaged to him.

And in fact, saying that the theme of this trip should be

that the President had often spoken of the five great college students, Japan, China, Soviet Union, Western Europe, and the United States.

However, if we look at the world, that more than half of the world's people and far more than half of the world's researchers are not in

these power centers and the president feels it's very important as he undertook by his own visit to iran to show that we have as we seek in better relations with china the rest that we have an interest in the third world and our friends in latin america and asia and the rest john will pick it up and i said i said now when you're making your toasts or when you're making your arrival statements or so forth

Because, you know, it sort of gets us off of the balance of power, which, of course, is totally right, as we know.

But it'll confuse the hell.

In fact, he's going to the Indian Pakistan.

Confuses the Indian Pakistan.

Oh, the Indian ambassador called me up.

Yeah.

And said... Did he complain?

No, no, no, no.

He said he wanted to have a good talk with me about what went on in Moscow.

And also about the meaning of the Conway trip, etc., in Moscow.

I said, well, you better come see me next week.

But you know how we are.

We

The Russians and we, of course, we know we're great lads, we're going to take each other's interests into account, just scare them to death.

Yeah, and we found exactly the same thing.

I just found it a little goofy, you know.

The way we handled the economy, that's right, we handled India.

Well, in the past, you told Ludo, of course, that we're very close to the Japanese, and the Indians, you...

You don't reassure them about the trip.

You just simply say, we're seeking better relations with the Soviet.

We're very pleased with our relations, and they were only seeking their own interests, but that doesn't mean we don't want to seek better relations with you.

It just depends on...

The thing to do with the Indians is get to the feeling that the Russians and we might be cooking up some super deal at their expense.

The only one thing, and that's the only thing I'm going to do today, but I may still go out myself tonight.

And then I'll come up tomorrow.

I'll get out of the stream.

But the only thing I was going to say, and I don't think I'll do the cold water thing.

I wouldn't do it.

Yes, I have worked on it, Mr. President, and one reason, my honest opinion is

It isn't quite right, right now, and it will not do you...

It won't do you much good.

What?

It needs a major reorder.

Right now, the first 15 pages of the article... Oh, Christ.

The first 50 pages of the article deal with Vietnam.

I think they should start with a summit.

Why should you throw Vietnam into the debate?

I think it's got to start with a secure world view.

And why also put it in, but I can read that common memorandum and tell them to put that into it, too.

I mean, I don't see the advantage we have in raising the Vietnamese.

Oh, I couldn't agree more.

I had lunch with Suan Aung San, the professor that is probably dying, and he said it was one of the great diplomatic feats.

He said, you are now like a gambler on a hot streak.

You've gone six for six, and you've made them all...

He said, it's unbelievable.

He said, I have to do a little work on Saul.

Joe Alsop is writing three columns next week on Saul, in which one of them...

He said, one of them will be exactly my life.

One of the three.

Yeah, let me... Pope Christ called today to say the briefing you gave the other day was the best he'd ever heard you give.

Fulbright.

Oh, Jesus Christ.

And he said, just want us to know he's cooperative.

Let me ask you this.

Let me ask you, what can we... Well, I'd like to help Ray.

I got Ray a little speech for Sunday.

That's the problem now.

He won't be all up to Thursday.

We've got to have his copy by Monday.

Monday?

You see, Henry, whatever Henry's got to do, he's got to get out of the way so it doesn't bother him.

Well, I couldn't.

Henry's got to get his done before he leaves.

Yeah, well, I've had Winston lowered.

Good.

But unfortunately, I need him to do my books for China and Japan.

Well, who could?

Who could?

I guess I can take the call.

Yeah, no, you shouldn't.

No, really, Mr. President.

Let me talk to you.

Let's think of somebody who could.

It must be.

How about Andrews?

Well, I thought, isn't it in pretty good shape now?

No, Bob, the first 15 pages turned Vietnam.

I remember the first drop that part.

No.

Well, it's got to be reorganized.

Actually, much of it is, let me see whether Winston Lord can do a reorganizing job on it.

Yeah.

Well, isn't Lord going with you to Japan?

Yeah, but he might be able to do it by Thursday.

Is his books in Japan he's doing for you?

The book on Japan is in pretty good shape.

He's doing books on China.

We've got that following right after it.

Yeah, but he'll be, is he going to Japan?

Yeah, 100%.

Well, he can work on the damn plane, he's young.

Oh, you need it only Monday?

You're right.

The average you need to finish starts on Monday.

No, we need some... You ought to finish your review before you go.

I will finish my review by tomorrow.

But that's all we need.

I don't, it isn't that important that it has to be...

like it isn't an option.

I can have Blackburn to be good, though, because it's an AR branch.

You and I think so high now.

You see, our line of duty, we have never said, I have never said that we would not come to the aid of Israel.

I mean, even though it would be unpopular to say we were going to send America in.

But the point is, what you do is to say, we are not going to let Israel go down the tube.

And that is enough.

And what we did in Jordan proved it.

Actually, I think in a McGovern race, you would get more than you have by far than your usual percentage of the Jewish vote.

I hope so.

Because of the $30 billion cut, now the world has gotten around.

that you've really stood up on a number of situations and that we gave nothing away in Moscow.

Rabin is really floating on air.

Well, we don't want him to float two eyes in the Russians against man.

Oh, no, he'll be disciplined.

Let me ask you a couple of things, which I think we could work on.

First, on this little article,

Maybe for the Lord, heaven.

We are not walking in front of Christ.

I'll get him to read that.

Actually, the article is not wrong.

He's picked up a lot of stuff from the World Report.

It's just a little bit off-center, and it's better if I tell him, because...

Right.

Unless you want to work through the whole thing.

No, I don't want to do it at all.

It's a damn long article.

I'm trying to get, can he cut the size of it for once?

It's supposed to be long.

He can, well, what he can do is condense the Vietnam part at the end and move it to the end.

Yeah.

And just say this is... Well, put the Vietnam thing in the way I did it, the direct proportion I did in the report to the Congress.

Exactly.

Vietnam's got to be put in perspective.

And then come around with, well, basically we're in a new year now.

That's the right strategy on everything.

You can't ignore the amount because it is there, but you can sure put it into where it belongs on the big scale.

As far as the economy is concerned, it's coming along.

We're ending our involvement, but we're ending it without, my God, I tell you, we're kind of...

We've got everybody watered anyway that we're cooking something up.

But I think the Northeastern Meads are going to be in bad trouble.

They have four months oil supplies.

They've knocked out a month without getting to oil.

Let's say we've knocked out another month of oil supply.

They're running by the end of July.

They're going to be in bad shape.

I had to get back before you got back.

I'm going back.

He told me about the CIA's reports and how Walters was working on them, and I said, now Al, you're to get in here.

I'm up here by my desk on 1st November.

I'm on my way to cut that son of a bitch CIA right to the sword.

I said, first of all, we'll cut all of the policy-making staff in half.

And that means you fire half of them right there.

And I mean firing.

And the other half, what you do is to transfer them to Laos.

You know, let the little guys who said they got cocktails here, get them out there and get their ass shot.

And some of them with federal leadership, for example, this fellow George Carver, who's a Vietnam expert, before their mining operation, they had sent us a report saying that they could easily send it all in by railway.

So I got him over.

and talked to him and said, I want to understand this.

If it's that easy, why didn't they do it before?

And that sent me two-way traffic and a lot of really informational questions.

Then I had a meeting with my staff.

And that evening, as I told you at the time, I went around the table and said, now what do you really recommend?

I'm going up to Camp David to talk to the president.

I called him Carver first, and he came out for it.

Then the next day in Wasak, Helms left us.

I didn't even tell you that because .

And I called George Carver, and Carver again said, do it.

That all the intangibles of the center now, I'm saying that much to indicate that with good leadership over there, there are enough people that you could really get to perform.

Well, let me tell you that.

The very top of my list is looking for a new CIA director.

It's gonna be that.

He's also been a fine civil servant, but he's had it.

And also, Henry, he is part of the Georgetown set.

He can't help it.

They all, if they stay here too long, you know, it's artificial insemination, call it what you want.

Or mental masturbation, but it's just, it happens to everybody.

And we're just, for God's sake,

The head told me, the department told you, that Walters said that the day that Helms announced the mining thing that the CIA touched down, he said they were gradually in tears.

I just thought it was so horrible.

It's really great to have that kind of backing, isn't it?

Really great.

Well, we've had it.

We've had this problem now on almost every issue.

I'm going to get the bureaucracy together tomorrow afternoon.

when he submits all the Thursdays, so that we can have one line on every issue that has taken hour.

Yeah.

Let me ask you this.

Do you have your hand in track on that?

Yeah, he's got the board, but... Let me ask you this.

Let me throw up a totally weird thing.

Hold your seat on this.

Why do we change in this instance?

I mean, make an exception, because of the enormous importance of the issue, and let Henry Woodman just find it anyway.

Now, first of all, he can do it better than anybody else.

Second, it'll give us a hell of a replay on this that we'd never get otherwise.

Now, I'm just thinking out loud now, Erwin, you talked to him about it, and we've been around this track, but we've broken over already the planet.

Henry could testify not on the advice he gave the President.

Let me try to make it through in that way.

He could simply testify with regard to the

You see what I mean?

I'm not thinking in terms of satisfying the Senate, but I'm thinking in terms of the tremendous advantage of the lie of toleration.

Huh?

The advantage of the lie of toleration.

We could say, gentlemen, this is an exception.

Dr. Kirchner cannot and will not justify on anything, any person in private conversations or confidential conversations with regard to the president.

But he will justify with regard to, look, and his own diagnosis.

a thing about the goddamn thing.

Rogers doesn't know any more.

I know what the damn holds, and he does.

And I don't know much.

Well, I do understand it some, because I've had it.

No, I said there's no comparison between what you know and what you don't.

I don't know much.

I really don't.

But, you know, and you need somebody up there that can, Henry could tear, you could have him eaten out of your hand.

You know what I mean?

Rather than going through the agonies, they'd otherwise make an issue out of it.

Why don't you get what you're trying to find?

Why don't we wait until they're out of the border?

They already have.

They have.

No, not formally, but they've started the drug business.

All right.

They're trying to get out of this another way.

And my view is that I drank it.

I drank it just a little.

Yeah.

But then I go to it and I say, because of the enormous importance of this historic step, and because it does involve some matters in which Mr. Drew is particularly, you know, has expertise, is head of the verification panel.

Aren't you head of the verification?

But the thing, I'm delighted to do it.

I just wonder whether it doesn't set a precedent which... Sure it does, and that's the argument we'll get.

All right, that's the argument.

That's the argument.

I know the next time it comes around, it's all go to hell.

That's...

I would say this is a matter of executive privilege.

In this instance, I waived it.

I waived it because of the issue.

And because he had information.

In other cases, I'll say the Secretary of State or the Secretary of Defense has all, they can testify on all these things.

But Dr. Chisholm, of course, has had a verification panel in that capacity.

But how would I testify?

Rogers would testify, Laird would testify, and I'd testify.

And Smith.

Yeah.

Thank you.

We can't avoid those people going out.

There's no way we can stop them.

They'll call them.

Well, could we have them?

Would I go first or last?

I'd have to go last.

Well, no way.

At that time, it'd be important.

I think everyone should go first.

Go first to set the line so that everybody else has to follow them.

Yeah.

You see...

I really feel if Henry could go first, he would be a smash hit.

And after all, he did it.

He did the goddamn thing.

It puts it right in the president's lap, too, rather than that goddamn state's lap.

Not that people don't know it, but I'm just thinking about it.

I thought about it the second we talked.

Why don't we play a little bit of a game for a change?

I think it's a great idea.

traditionalist sort of thing.

I know what that position is.

I mean, we broke the original plan.

Yeah, but we had a... We were under the gun.

Yeah, we were under the gun.

We had extenuating circumstances and it was restricted testimonies.

We laid the ground rules under which, well, we only had the ground rules.

Dr. Kessinger will only testify with regard to the specific, and then you can interrupt me if you want, specific provisions of the solid arrangements, to the specific provisions of the solid arrangements and the verification of comments and analysis of them.

See my point?

Now, then he can answer questions that he wants.

He says he's going to do things like that.

And if they say, well, he can get to the president, even then, he can always cop out on things.

Well, that's a matter of presidential privilege.

I can't discuss that.

You would probably have to say that you would probably not find it.

I could probably get it out of it.

Something about it, anyway.

As long as they don't call me.

He had to take a lot of them, even the senators sitting there waiting to protect him.

You still have to say, what the hell are they going to get out of this?

What the hell can they get on to?

Not a damn thing.

No, they really can't.

They can say, what, did the president give away?

They can say nothing.

I wouldn't have to avoid asking that.

No, sure.

No, but he was there.

What secret agreement?

Yeah, the doctor says I was present at every meeting.

Scoop Jackson's stuff, that's all his argument would be.

Henry, the one thing I was going to say is this, that I know you're concerned about giving any kind of anything

our own people in a setting.

No, I'm working on something that I'm going to give Colson tonight.

We have a basic speech text.

Oh, I see.

And the basic, we have three documents.

One thing we can give to newspapers.

One thing that can be a basic speech.

And one thing that can be a fact sheet, which we can just give out.

He says, follow up to this.

That's right.

No, no, I have that.

I know the dangers of doing it because somebody will screw something up.

But you need our speakers and you need frankly our own White House staff people to go out.

This is our issue and we ought to have them talking to them and running out of their mouths.

If we can.

No, no.

The problem is to get a line established that they can talk so they don't get in the position of answering questions that they're not capable of.

No, I'm strongly in favor.

The only reason I haven't finished it is because it's a big package with a lot of different things.

But I'll have it over to Colson first thing in the morning.

My concern is not unwillingness to do that.

My concern is that this thing is selling itself so well that if we get a lot of guys huckstering it too much...

That we're gonna kill him.

That's my worry.

He's absolutely right.

My worry is not that those who have a normal track.

But the point is, there are people who can't avoid talking about it.

And they should have it.

I'm worried that they may not say the right thing.

They must have it.

They don't have to be a government.

The thing they should simply say is, it wasn't the President's trip, a great thing.

Isn't it great for finding other control arguments?

There is no person that I've run into who dares to criticize your trip.

And everybody, I mean, this trip, people just say it's a tremendous success.

I hate to ask them, you know, what's the success?

Be interested to find out what they think the success is.

They don't know.

And it doesn't matter.

It's just that they think it was a success.

But everybody thinks it's a success.

Well, not just a success.

They all think it was a triumph.

A triumph.

And for once,

The other fascinating thing is that there hasn't been, to my knowledge, one drop.

of stuff about Bill Rogers was kicked aside or didn't get properly treated.

We handled that correctly.

Not one drop sent into the flower market.

And the state has no interest in putting it out.

Oh, thank you, sir.

Good God, he got this picture.

It was just the right, that's all Bill needs.

You just got to get him in the act.

But it really has been fascinating.

As contrast to the channel, remember, where there was this... My pilot said garbage about how he would listen.

You don't know how close it was the first time.

Yeah, I know.

Come on, he got me straight on the junction.

Because I heard... That was a credible performance.

And then he said... Don't do that!

And he said, if I don't work on the communique, I'm leaving.

Yeah.

Thank God he didn't.

Hell, we cut the communique in great shape.

Marty Hillenbrand was quite helpful to us.

He behaved?

He behaved.

He had no suggestions.

It wasn't that he couldn't communicate.

He had a few word changes.

Has he been there for a while, Jeremy?

I think we did foreign policy here in very good shape.

And you could just find a way to belt those, belt a piece of him out of the box.

A little more.

We've got the news this morning.

They interrupted the CBS morning news.

We've got a flash bullet.

South Vietnamese have recaptured the city of Khmer Thu.

I don't know if they lost it.

They haven't recaptured it.

They've cleared them all out of it.

I think we have a chance of breaking it by the end of August.

They are too isolated now.

Well, it's not too late.

It must be awful lonely in Hanoi.

Well, you just got to keep right at it.

Keep punishing them.

Keep punishing them with just the right degree of punishment.

I'm going to have to ask the way Johnson did it, not the way it was done.

We have disrupted them more in these six weeks of bombings than Johnson ever did in four years.

I mean, when they admit that they're having major difficulties, which they did, and now they've published an article warning us of versus the draconian steps are going to be taken.

That's right.

chocolate in there.

They're not sure.

They're not sure that maybe the bugs moved in there or something.

I just don't think I want to.

They're not sure.

They're not sure that maybe.

Okay, you heard about it.

So I come up tomorrow afternoon?

Yeah, well, the main thing is to do the thing that's going to be the most relaxing for you and so forth.

And if you would, on that article...

I will have the article in the States so that a speechwriter with Haig's assistance...

I mean, I'll get the organization set.

I'll knock out the things that I object to most.

I think the Vietnam section ought to be sharply condensed.

And I'll have that in shape by Thursday morning at the latest.

And I've got Peterson programmed on the train stage.

I had a session with him this morning.

And he is confident in his eye that by the end of December, I gave him a deadline around September 1st.

We won't let him breathe inside.

And I'll work with the breathing and things to get it done.

So that's, well, you give me the time whenever that's your most good.

It would be a good time.

You want to have some good news reminding back of this thing, and I'd say in September, the 1st of September, middle of September, we could have something.

We could do it very good.

No, we shouldn't.

We're not going to get something.

You're pretty sure of that?

I had a feeling myself that Vietnam, if it's going to crack this summer, will crack sooner than

Yeah, but this is a tough decision for them.

My estimate is that I could propose a meeting to them for about the 27th, 28th, and then it may crack, and then we may be winding it up.

We won't wind it up.

We want something that we can announce, probably about a meeting, about the justice that our great convention begins.

We could operate it one way or another.

Well, one thing we could speed the process up is to get a statement of principle signed first.

And that will shut everyone up through the election and push the final negotiations out.

We could get a ceasefire.

There'll be a de facto ceasefire anyway.

If you could just get the announcement of a ceasefire, I don't care what happens on other things.

People would obviously say that we're working on that and starting negotiating.

No, I think that would be part of the statement of principle.

Maybe we could fire a three-month ceasefire.

One of their nightmares is the ceasefire.

Uh, last forever in their stock.

The thing is, the thing is, uh, let me say, try the New Eastern tactic.

Try it, why not?

Ceasefire.

Let me tell you, that'll, that'll bust us right out of the campaign.

I mean, you've got to ceasefire everybody that you're leading going on.

Provided it's combined with some period of action.

I'm trying to get the time to say, because I don't think we can get...

I think we have a chance to settle the whole ball of wax.

It is not excluded.

I do not exclude that we may settle the whole ball game by September.

We might get a three-month ceasefire, but then nothing else.

plus intensive negotiations but what the hell is the government going to say during the campaigns and he'll do better than a g5 it's coming to an end

Oh, yes.

I feel this day, yesterday, you could change that.

Oh, yeah.

I'm coming up tomorrow night.

That's a good idea.

If you leave within 20 minutes, you can land again.

All right.

Whichever bring the chopper in now.

Thank you.

Sure.

Can't blame you for wanting the mother in this, Stephanie.

You brought her this far off.

I think this doesn't want somebody to get out and screw it up.

And I think that he could push this, but he's so rough on those guys.

He's doing it all for Colson in here.

He gets up and, God damn, Flax, you're going to ruin this whole thing.

He comes around.

He's right, too.

And I agree with you.

If you don't, there's a very fine line here.

There is a danger with Colson.

He sees something good, and he's going to run with it.

You can oversell this one.

You could do too hard, but too much pressure.

We got here, particularly client sculling.

I think my anger goes on.

I make it a client sculling, then.

Is that part of it?

If you move, there's a good time.

A sculling can just be a

Scaling has the foreign policy background and his postmanship role that he can capitalize on.

I was there and he's very believable.

I just like to tool them in.

I wouldn't get stuck very high, because I don't, they're working a different kind of, yeah, and it's a, it's more angled where I think just the two of them would be good.

I mean, a lot of the two of them, I could say they'd talk.

I didn't see the pressure.

I didn't see a lot of people in pressure.

That was really why I was a prisoner in the crime.

say you'd hoped to come by and seeing that the weather was such that they made you come right on in.

Bill understands that.

He knows about flying weather and all that.

It's nice to say you wanted to come by.

It would be damn good to call him though.

You know, I look back, I was thinking back to that enormous blip that was a big blip that Johnson got out of Glassboro.

And then 60 days later,

And he went up to 57, another 35, something like that, which was the highest he'd been in several months.

60 days later, he was 39, 46, something like that.

How is this different from that?

There's more substance with some, too, doesn't there?

Could it be?

It's a question.

You won't be able to get the chapter in here.

It's pretty clear.

Yeah.

We've done an awful lot in the damn country.

Boy, that's bleeding out all the way to the domestic banks where I think we've got a lot of money to get credit for.

I mean, cooling for the banks, Supreme Court, fighting the permissiveness and all that, you know, standing up against the radicals.

Beyond that, this international deal is going to, it really is going to achieve enormous importance.

I don't need to say it.

And you know, the bad I understated in the,

Very well.

You've gotten a lot of credit for that.

Yep.

But I have read the news and read the editorials and I've been too right.

I could just click one of them.

It was just nice.

It was super refundable.

They've been so good at it.

And so, you know, almost...

Yeah.

Well, no, no.

Not just on the substance.

And not, really not as much.

The substance, yes, is a great milestone for world peace and all that.

But more on the thing, which is the amazing thing, that Nixon deserves all the credit for this.

That this is something, you know, he's put this together and he's gone out and done it.

stood up to them, fought it through.

We can trust Nixon, be busy, which works awfully well.

This is the conservatives saying, this is something, you know, they're not so sure this is exactly the right thing.

Maybe we're getting a tough bargaining spot with the Russians and all that.

But Nixon, we know Nixon would never sell his country out.

Other people would be wondering.

And a lot of justification on the arms, you know, the specifics that where they began in the superiority and sufficiency arguments.

One thing, of course, we do have a massive lead in mortgage.

That's because of our... Jackson's arguing about overkill capability and all this.