Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 733 › Conversation 733-002

Nixon, Haldeman & Butterfield on Revenue sharing and Welfare reform

Wednesday, June 14, 1972 · 9:00 AM–10:04 AM ET · Oval Office

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Butterfield, Alexander P.; Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Butterfield, Alexander P.; [Unknown person(s)]; Bull, Stephen B.Conversation733-002 on Tape 733 (tape position 00:27:11–01:31:30)StartWednesday, June 14, 1972 at 9:00 AMEndWednesday, June 14, 1972 at 10:04 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 733-002 ↗

President Nixon met with H. R. Haldeman, Alexander Butterfield, and Stephen Bull to coordinate administrative priorities, including the scheduling of upcoming Cabinet meetings and legislative strategies for revenue sharing and welfare reform. The discussion focused on managing congressional relations, particularly concerning Vietnam troop withdrawal amendments and the Foreign Affairs Committee, while also addressing concerns over potential political opposition from government interns and various staff salary structures. Nixon further reviewed his busy schedule, which included preparations for the state visit of Mexican President Luis Echeverria Alvarez and debriefings regarding recent diplomatic trips to the Soviet Union.

Audio for this conversation has not been released by the National Archives.

No transcript is available because the audio has not been released.

On June 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander P. Butterfield, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Alexander P. Butterfield, unknown person(s), and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:00 am to 10:04 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 733-002 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 733-2

Date: June 14, 1972
Time: 9:00-10:04 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Alexander P. Butterfield.

     Cabinet meeting
          -Timing
          -Subjects for discussion
               -The President’s previous visit to the Soviet Union
                     -William P. Rogers
                     -Peter M. Flanigan

                -Domestic issues
                          -Flanigan
                                -Trade
                          -John D. Ehrlichman

     Telephone calls
          -Compared with letters
               -Birthday greetings
               -The President’s instructions

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 9:05 am Butterfield left at an unknown time after 9:05 am.

     Letters and telephone calls to Congressmen
          -Foreign Affairs Committee
                -Henry A. Kissinger
                -Democrats
                -Republicans
          -Telephone calls
                -John L. McClellan
          -Time element
          -Clement P. Zablocki

     Senate Foreign Affairs Committee
          -Compared to House
          -Vote on floor on Vietnam
               -Clark MacGregor
          -Michael J. Mansfield amendment
               -Vietnam troop withdrawal
                     -Chances of defeat
                     -Amendments
                     -John J. Sparkman’s role

     Revenue sharing
         -Chances of success in Congress
         -Nelson A. Rockefeller on Capitol Hill
         -George P. Shultz

     Welfare bill
          -Ehrlichman
                -Welfare program
                     -The President’s view
                     -Draft
          -MacGregor

          -Social Security
          -Passage in Congress

     Revenue sharing
         -Votes in Congress
               -Wilbur D. Mills
         -Support in Administration
               -Robert H. Finch

     Budget problems
         -The President's vetoes

     Kissinger
          -Rogers
               -Forthcoming meeting with the President

An unknown woman entered at an unknown time after 9:05 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Meeting with Rogers and Kissinger
               -Time

The unknown woman left at an unknown time before 10:04 am.

     Rogers' trip itinerary
         -Australia, New Zealand, and the US [UNZUS]
         -Southeast Asia Treaty Organization [SEATO]
         -John B. Connally

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 20m 25s ]

HALDEMAN TALKED WITH AN UNKNOWN PERSON AT AN UNKNOWN TIME
BETWEEN 9:05 AND 10:04 AM

[CONVERSATION NO. 733-2A]

[END OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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    White House staff salaries
         -Younger staffers
         -Older staff members
         -The President’s view
         -John C. Whitaker
         -Patrick J. Buchanan
               -Future
         -William L. Safire
         -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
         -Buchanan
         -Lyndon K. (“Mort”) Allin
         -Buchanan
         -Senior level
         -Youth salaries

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 11m 43s ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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    William F. (“Billy”) Graham
         -Explo '72 rally
               -The President’s position

    Presidential scholars
         -Elliot L. Richardson
               -The President’s participation
         -Selection criteria
         -Caspar W. Weinberger
               -Michigan interns
                     -Support for George S. McGovern
         -Government interns
               -Abolition of program
                     -The President’s view
               -Interns in Republican campaign organization
                     -White House
         -Intership programs
               -Presidential interns
                     -Spiro T. Agnew
                           -Tricia Nixon Cox
                     -Political leanings
                     -Haldeman's conversation with Richardson
                           -Selection process
         -Advisory committees
               -President’s Science Advisory Committee [PSAC]
               -The President's selections
         -Interns
               -Political opposition to the President

    Kissinger's appearance for Congressional briefing
         -Location
         -Weather
               -Arrival of Luis Echeverria Alvarez
         -Logistics

    Head of State visit of Echeverria
        -Political benefits
              -Spanish-Americans
              -Visits to Los Angeles, Texas, and Chicago

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 3m 29s ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4

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    The President's position
         -Trips to People's Republic of China [PRC] and Soviet Union
               -The President's domestic opponents
                     -Effect of accomplishments
         -Strategic Arms and Limitation Treaty [SALT]
               -Republicans

    Revenue sharing
        -Shultz
              -Lobbying
        -Advantages to the President
              -Welfare program

    Presidential scholars
         -Tour of White House
         -Potential opposition to the President
               -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
                     -Richardson

The President's schedule
     -Florida
           -Weather
     -Echeverria

Report on the President's trip to the Soviet Union
    -Butterfield
           -Cabinet meeting
                -Flanigan
                -Peter G. Peterson’s trip to the Soviet Union
                      -Revenue sharing
                      -Rogers
                             -Aleksei N. Kosygin
                      -The President’s view
                      -Earl L. Butz

Cabinet meeting
     -The President’s view
     -Timing
     -Agnew
     -Subjects
     -John D. Ehrlichman
          -Butz
          -Connally

Transportation exhibit at Dulles Airport
     -John A. Volpe
     -Problems
           -Traffic jams
           -Blue Angels
                -Fatalities

Cabinet meeting
     -Subjects
     -Ehrlichman
           -Availability

The President’s schedule
     -Richardson
          -House Resolution [HR] 1
     -Cabinet meeting
     -Echeverria
     -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.

          -Scheduling
          -Press conference
                -Scheduling
          -Incumbent Republican Senators and Congressmen
                -Scheduling
                -Paul N. (“Pete”) McCloskey, Jr.
                -John M. Ashbrook

     McCloskey
         -Statements on prisoners of war [POWs]
               -Democratic response

     Ashbrook

     Tricia Nixon Cox
           -"Merv Griffin Show"
                -Rerun of wedding
                -Audience
                     -Possible hostility

     Protocol office
          -William R. Codus
          -Transfer to Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon's staff
          -Informing Mrs. Nixon

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:05 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Meeting with Kissinger and Rogers

The President, Bull, and Haldeman left at 10:04 am.
  • 733-003 10:04 AM — William P. Rogers, Henry A. Kissinger, unknown person(s), President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and John L. McClellan met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:04 am to 11:07 am.
  • 025-063 10:45 AM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, William P. Rogers, and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone at 10:45 am.
  • 025-064 10:51 AM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, John L. McClellan, and William P. Rogers talked on the telephone from 10:51 am to 10:53 am.
  • 733-004 11:07 AM — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:07 am and 11:15 am.
  • 733-005 11:07 AM — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:07 am and 11:15 am.
  • 733-006 11:15 AM — President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:15 am to 11:55 am.
  • 733-007 11:55 AM — President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander P. Butterfield, Rose Mary Woods, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:55 am and 12:16 pm.
  • 733-008 12:30 PM — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:30 pm to 1:02 pm.

Conversation 733-002, June 14, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/733-002 (accessed October 12, 2026).