Conversation No. 733-3

Date: June 14, 1972
Time: 10:04-11:07 am
Location: Oval Office

William P. Rogers met with Henry A. Kissinger.
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     Refreshments

     Vietnam
     -Kissinger’s meeting with Andrei A. Gromyko
          -Meeting between the President and Leonid I. Brezhnev
                -Nguyen Van Thieu
                -Prisoners of war [POWs]
          -Hanoi
                -Nikolai V. Podgorny’s forthcoming visit
          -US response to Soviet Union proposals

An unknown man entered and left at an unknown time.

     Kissinger's plans
          -Possible meetings with the Soviet Union
          -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                -Consultations
          -Reaction to Podgorny trip to Hanoi
          -Kissinger’s forthcoming trip to PRC
                -Podgorny’s trip

     John B. Connally
          -Possible trip

     Vietnam
          -Bombing
              -PRC reaction
              -Press reactions
              -Military

     Kissinger’s meeting with Eisaku Sato
          -Briefing for Rogers
          -Takeo Fukuda
          -Press conference

     International Labor Organization [ILO]
           -Kissinger’s memorandum
           -Rogers’s memorandum
           -Charles Colson
           -George Meany

     Rogers’s forthcoming trip
         -Austalia, New Zealand and the US [ANZUS]
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     Kissinger’s forthcoming briefing for Congressmen
          -Gerard C. Smith
                -Presence
                -Forthcoming testimony

The President entered at 10:12 am.

     Rogers
         -Health
              -Lee Trevino

     Rogers forthcoming trip to Asia
         -Southeast Asia Treaty Organization [SEATO] meeting
         -The President's earlier trip to Poland
                -Yugoslavia
                -SEATO
                      -Canberra
         -Timing
                -Congress
                -Democratic National Convention
         -Possible itinerary
                -Indonesia
                -Indochina
                      -Cambodia
                      -Laos
                -Persian Gulf
                      -Bahrain
                      -Iran
                            -Mohammed Reza Pahlavi [Shah of Iran]
                      -Spiro T. Agnew
                            -Kuwait
                -Romania And Yugoslavia
                      -Request for Rogers
                -Hungary
                -Czechoslovakia
                -Cyprus
                -Ceylon
                      -Relations with India
                      -Visit by US officials
                      -The President's 1953 trip to Colombia
                      -Compared to Switzerland
                -Greece
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                -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
          -Turkey
          -Political considerations
          -SEATO
                -Sir Alexander F. Douglas-Home
          -ANZUS
          -Indonesia
                -Japanese
                      -Sato
                      -Takeo Fukuda

Rogers forthcoming trip
    -Ceylon
           -US relations
                 -Robert Strausz-Hupe
    -Afghanistan
           -Visit by Rogers
           -John B. Connally
                 -Pakistan
                 -Bangladesh
    -Shah
           -Persian Gulf
    -Romania and Yugoslavia
           -Soviet Union reactions
           -Visit by Rogers
           -Josip Broz Tito
                 -Moscow
           -Gromyko
                 -Paris
           -Yugoslavia
                 -US relations
                 -Romania
                       -The President’s view
                       -Nicolae Ceausescu
                 -Tito
                       -Age
           -Tito’s previous meeting with Brezhnev
           -Romania
                 -Visit by Rogers
    -Greece
           -The President’s view
           -Agnew
           -NATO reactions to visit
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                 -Scandinavians
           -Importance to US
           -Political considerations
     -Romania
           -Domestic reactions by Romanian-Americans
                 -Political considerations
                       -Chicago
                       -Pittsburgh
     -Spain
     -Portugal
     -Morocco
           -Political considerations
     -Greece, Romania, and Yugoslavia
           -Domestic reactions
                 -Rogers’s view
     -Korea
           -Talks with North Korea
                 -Credit to the President
           -Taiwan
                 -Possible problem
                 -Amount of time
                 -John S. D. Eisenhower
     -Singapore, Malaysia
     Middle East
           -Oil supplies
           -Bahrain
           -Kuwait
                 -Connally, Agnew
           -Iran
           -Bahrain
                 -Saudi Arabia
                 -Port facilities
                 -British reaction
                       -Douglas-Home
                 -Shah's reaction
     -Itinerary
     -Length
     -Report to the President

The President's schedule
     -San Clemente
     -Congressional recess
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Rogers speech at Commonwealth Club
    -Press coverage
          -Television

Possible speaking engagements for Rogers
     -Ethnic groups
     -Reactions to Rogers's trip
     -Chicago Execuritves Club
     -Arrangements
           -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
     -Foreign relations councils
           -Rogers visit
           -Los Angeles
           -Town Hall
                 -Advantages
     -Labor organizations
           -Colson
           -International Brotherhood of Teamsters
           -Building trades
           -Import for foreign policy
     -American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars [VFW]
           -Rogers's appearance
     -Ethnic groups
     -Catholic groups

Personnel
     -Ambassadorships
          -Blacks
               -John E. Reinhardt
                     -Nigeria
               -W. Beverly Carter, Jr.
                     -Tanzania
               -Terrance A. Todman
               -Samuel Z. Westerfield, Jr.
                     -Liberia
               -Jerome H. Holland
               -Quality of appointments
               -Photograph sessions
          -Ceylon
               -Ambassadorship
               -Racial factors
                     -Tamils
                     -Black Ambassadors
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     -Pakistan
           -Robert G. Neumann
                 -Background
                 -Afghanistan
                 -Haldeman
                 -University of Califorinia at Los Angeles [UCLA]
                 -James R. Schlesinger
                 -Rogers view
                 -Background
                 -Support for the President
                       -1960
                              -UCLA
                 -Kissinger’s view
     -Walter J. Stoessel, Jr.
           -Martin J. Hillenbrand
           -Ambassadorship to Poland
                 -Possible representative to NATO
                       David M. Kennedy
                 -Qualifications
           -Advantages of appointment as Assistant Secretary of
                 State for European Affairs
                 -European Security Conference
           -The President’s view
     -Hillenbrand
           -Ambassador to West Germany
           -Background
     -George C. McGee
           -Lyndon B. Johnson, John F. Kennedy
           -The President's meeting with Hillenbrand

Strategic Arms and Limitation Treaty [SALT]
      -Forthcoming testimony to Congress
            -Reservations
                 -Potential problems
                       -Re-negotiations
            -Timing
                 -Defense expenditures
            -J. William Fulbright
      -Melvin R. Laird
            -Opposition
                 -Defense budget
                       -Trident submarines
                       -Washington, DC anti-ballistic missile [ABM] site
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          -Administration position
               -B-1 bomber
          -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
               -Talk with Kissinger
               -George S. McGovern
                     -Jackson’s view
                     -Statement on Vietnam War
                           -Prisoners of war [POWs]
               -Kissinger’s view
          -John C. Stennis
               -Previous meeting with the President
                     -Vietnam
          -John L. McClellan

The President talked with the White House operator at 10:45 am.

[Conversation No. 733-3A]

[See Conversation No. 25-63]

[End of telephone conversation]

     The President's call to McClellan

     SALT
         -Jackson’s view
              -Support for defense budget
              -Clark MacGregor
              -Michael J. Mansfield, J. William Fulbright
              -Support for the President
              -Defense appropriations

          -Testimony before Congress
                -Laird
                -Negotiations with the Soviets
                -The President's conversation with Stennis
                     -Next round of SALT negotiations
                     -Passage of SALT I
                -Jackson
                -US military strength
                     -The President’s view
                -Congressional limitations on defense budget
                     -Weaponry
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                            -Philip A. Hart [?]
                      -ABM
                -Future of US strength
                      -Weapons systems
                            -Undersea long-range missiles [ULMS]
                            -B-I bomber
                -Joint Chiefs of Staff [JCS]
                -Laird
                -ABM
                      -Malmstrom site
                      -Gen. Royal B. Allison
                      -Adm. Thomas H. Moorer
                      -Paul H. Nitze

The President talked with McClellan between 10:51 and 10:53 am.

[Conversation No. 733-3B]

[See Conversation No. 25-64]

Rogers talked with McClellan.

[See Conversation No. 25-64]

[End of telephone conversation]

     SALT
         -The President's talk with Republican leaders
               -Need for SALT
                     -The President’s view
               -Laird's statement
         -Soviet Union
               -Missile defense system
               -Protection
               -PRC
         -Advantages
               -Technology development
                     -Defense costs
         -Defense budget
               -Opponents
         -Laird's testimony

     Forthcoming negotiations with Soviet Union
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     -Resignation of Smith
          -Replacement
                -Qualities

Rogers's trip
    -White House announcement
            -Itinerary
            -Meeting with the President

Rogers's testimony
    -Smith
    -Format
    -Questions
    -Laird and Moorer
    -Smith’s role

Colson
     -Signals to Rogers on television appearances
     -Haldeman
          -Role of Cabinet heads
                 -Richard G. Kleindienst

"Meet the Press"
    -Rogers's appearance

The President's press conference
     -Scheduling
          -Timing
          -Colson and John A. Scali
          -The President’s view
                 -Foreign policy achievements
     -Domestic issues
          -Timing
                 -Relation to the President's trip to Soviet Union
     -Content

The President's previous meeting with Brezhnev
     -Vietnam
     -Podgorny's trip to Hanoi
          -Itinerary
          -Proposals to Hanoi
          -Secrecy of trip
          -US hopes for trip
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     John D. Lavelle
          -Actions
          -Removal by Laird
          -Testimony before Congress
          -Effect
          -Actions
                -Gen. Creighton W. Abrams. Jr.

     Television appearances by Rogers
          -Haldeman
          -SALT
          -Rogers's trip

     "Issues and Answers"
          -Compared with a press conference
          -Quality of show
          -Importance of show
          -Press conference
                -Colson

     John N. Mitchell

     Press conference
          -Publicity

Rogers and Kissinger left at 11:07 am.