Conversation 733-012

TapeTape 733StartWednesday, June 14, 1972 at 4:02 PMEndWednesday, June 14, 1972 at 6:03 PMTape start time05:34:26Tape end time06:24:47ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  MacGregor, Clark;  Kissinger, Henry A.;  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Recording deviceOval Office

Audio for this conversation has not yet been released by the National Archives.

On June 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Clark MacGregor, Henry A. Kissinger, and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:02 pm to 6:03 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 733-012 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 733-12/734-1

Date: June 14, 1972
Time: 4:02-6:03 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Clark MacGregor.

     Forthcoming Congressional briefing on the Strategic Arms and Limitation Treaty [SALT]
          -Attendees
          -Format
          -The President's opening statement
          -Henry A. Kissinger
               -Questions
          -MacGregor
               -Moderator
          -Foreign Relations Committee
               -Anti-ballistic missile [ABM] Treaty
               -Questions
               -J. William Fulbright

                                  (rev. Jan-02)

          -Questioning by Committee
     -Format
          -Moderator role
               -Identifying speakers
          -Fulbright
          -George D. Aiken
          -House Foreign Affairs Committee
               -William S. Maillard
          -John C. Stennis
          -Chairmen and ranking members
          -Fulbright
               -Thomas C. Korologos, MacGregor
               -Kissinger

Fulbright
     -Support for SALT
     -John L. McClellan
     -Primary in Arkansas
          -David Pryor
                -McClellan
          -The President's call to McClellan
                -William P. Rogers

Congressional briefing on SALT
    -Kissinger
          -Statement
    -Starting time
          -The President’s meeting with Luis Echeverria Alverez
                -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
    -Length
    -Breaks
    -Importance
          -Kissinger’s role
          -Melvin R. Laird, Rogers
    -Kissinger
          -Knowledge of issues
    -Transcript
          -Effect on forthcoming Congressional testimony
    -The President's opening statement
          -Substance of the President's remarks
          -Kissinger’s role
    -Congressional reactions to Kissinger
          -Department of State

                                       (rev. Jan-02)           Conv. No. 733-12/734-1 (cont.)

                -Department of Defense
                -Arms Control and Disarmament Agency [ACDA]
                -Gerard C. Smith
                -Adm. Thomas H. Moorer
                -Richard M. Helms
                -Importance of National Security Council [NSC]
                -White House control
           -Smith
                -Rogers
                -Interest
                -Kissinger

     Testimony before the Foreign Relations Committee
          -Fulbright
          -Rogers and Smith
          -Laird
                -Schedule
                -Karl Marcy
          -Laird
          -Stennis

The President talked with Kissinger at an unknown time between 4:02 and 4:13 pm.

[Conversation No. 733-12A]

     Forthcoming meeting with the President

[End of telephone conversation]

     Kissinger
          -Japan
          -People’s Republic of China [PRC]

Kissinger entered at 4:13 pm.

     Laird's testimony before Stennis's committee
          -Fulbright’s committee
                 -Marcy
                 -Rogers's testimony
                 -Timing

     Kissinger's Congressional briefing
          -Laird's and Rogers's testimony

                                   (rev. Jan-02)    Conv. No. 733-12/734-1 (cont.)

           -Advantages
           -Coordination
           -Problems
                -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
                -Fulbright

Senate schedule
     -Robert P. Griffin
     -Treaty approval

Testimony before Congress
     -Laird and Rogers
     -MacGregor
     -Work with Congress
     -Laird
           -Role
                -Soviet Union
                -Position

Kissinger's forthcoming trip
     -Schedule
           -Effect on SALT
           -Acapulco
                 -Echeverria
                      -Meeting with the President
                 -MacGregor
                 -The President’s recollections

Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft
     -Predecessor
          -Jamaica
                -Possible visit by the President
                -Beauty

Testimony before Congress
     -Laird and Rogers

Forthcoming congressional briefing on SALT
     -Format
          -MacGregor
          -Congressional questions
                -Order of questions
     -The President’s opening remarks

                                          (rev. Jan-02)    Conv. No. 733-12/734-1 (cont.)

                 -Kissinger’s role
           -Substance
                 -Kissinger's role in negotiations
           -Length
           -Recess
                 -Arrival ceremony for Echeverria
                 -Timing
                      -Fulbright
                      -Aiken
           -Kissinger's remarks
                 -Length
                 -Time for questions

Kissinger left at 4:23 pm.

                      -Length
                           -Importance
                      -Questions
                           -Congress

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 1m 26s ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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     Forthcoming Congressional briefing on SALT
          -Alexander P. Butterfield
          -Chairs

Haldeman entered at 4:25 pm.

                -The President’s view
                -Stephen B. Bull
                -Selection
           -Location

                                       (rev. Jan-02)           Conv. No. 733-12/734-1 (cont.)

               -State Dining Room compared with the East Room
                     -Head of State dinner
                     -The President’s view
               -Staff
                     -Rex W. Scouten

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 7m ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3

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    Legislation
         -John H. Dent
               -Support for the President on black lung bill
                    -Pennsylvania
                    -Kentucky
                    -Ohio
                    -New Jersey

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 3m 25s ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4

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    Amnesty
        -Administration policy
            -George S. McGovern

                                         (rev. Jan-02)       Conv. No. 733-12/734-1 (cont.)

                -The President’s statements
                -Canada
                -Service

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 12m 9s ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5

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     Amnesty
         -The President's position
         -Widows
         -Veterans
         -Alternative service
         -Motives of draft resisters
         -Number of resisters

[Conversation No. 733-12/734-1 continues on Tape Subject Log 734]

No transcript is available for this conversation.