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Start Date: 14-Jun-1972 4:02 PM

End Date: 14-Jun-1972 6:03 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")MacGregor, Clark[Unknown person(s)]Bull, Stephen B.Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:00:21

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:09:33

NARA Description:

On June 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Clark MacGregor, unknown person(s), Stephen B. Bull, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:02 pm to 6:03 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 734-001 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 733-12/734-1

Date: June 14, 1972
Time: 4:02 pm - 6:03 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and Clark MacGregor.

[Conversation No. 733-12/734-1 continued from Conversation No.733]

[A portion of the conversation was not recorded while the tape was changed]

     Military service
          -Conscientious objectors
                -George S. McGovern’s statement
                      -Abraham Lincoln
                -Alternative service


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     Military service
          -Amnesty
                -The President’s view
                -Definition
                -Intent
                -Carl Sandburg
                -War Department files
                      -Lincoln's policy
                -Civil War
                      -Desertion
                      -Emanicipation Proclamation
                            -Black people
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                                     Tape Subject Log
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                                                               Conv. No. 733-12/734-1 (cont.)

                          -Purpose
                -Conditions for amnesty

     Legislation
          -Social Security
                -Congressional action
                     -Possible veto
                           -Override vote
          -Consumer protection
                -Veto
                -Veterans bill
                     -Olin E. (“Tiger”) Teague
                -Rural development bill
                     -Changes
                     -Costs

     Water bill
         -Possible veto
                -Reasons

MacGregor left at 4:59 pm.

     Forthcoming Congressional briefing on Strategic Arms and Limitation Treaty [SALT]
          -Seating arrangements
          -Henry A. Kissinger’s remarks
                -Length
                     -The President’s view
                -Questions and answers
                -Length

     Forthcoming Presidential press conference
          -Ronald L. Ziegler
               -Conversation with Haldeman
               -Domestic issues
               -Length
               -Foreign policy
                     -Kissinger
                           -People's Republic of China [PRC] trip
                     -Questions
               -Location

     Lincoln's amnesty policy
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                                 Tape Subject Log
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                                                           Conv. No. 733-12/734-1 (cont.)

     -Research
          -White House staff
                -MacGregor
     -McGovern
     -Pardons
     -Deserters

The President's schedule
     -Florida
           -Haldeman’s conversation with Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
                 -Weather
                      -Forecast
                      -Personal residences
                      -Walker's Key, Florida
                           -Helicopter
                                 -Homestead Air Force Base
                      -Key Biscayne

           -Trip
     -California
     -Washington
     -Camp David
     -Florida
           -Weather
     -Camp Hoover
           -Facilities
     -Press conference
     -Florida
           -Timing
                 -Effect on press conference preparation
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                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Jan-02)
                                                        Conv. No. 733-12/734-1 (cont.)

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    The President’s schedule
         -Florida
               -John N. Mitchell
               -Rebozo
               -Haldeman’s view
               -Martha (Beall) Mitchell
               -The President’s view
               -Activities
               -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
               -Mitchell
                     -California

    The President's schedule
         -Rebozo
              -Florida
                     -Weather
              -Mitchell
              -Robert H. Abplanalp

    Veterans
         -Memoranda on foreign policy
              -Administration policy
              -Public relations efforts
         -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
         -Charles W. Colson
         -Edward Hallett
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                                      Tape Subject Log
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                                                             Conv. No. 733-12/734-1 (cont.)

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    John D. Ehrlichman
         -Pepperdine College speech
         -Robert D. Novak article

    Irving Kristol's book
          -Ehrlichman
          -Education
                -Theory
                -Government's role in education
                      -Student loans
                -Higher Education Act
                -Domestic Council
                -The President’s policy
                -Higher Education Act
                      -James R. Schlesinger

    Higher education
        -Schlesinger
              -Background
              -The President’s policy
        -George P. Shultz
        -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
              -Harvard
                    -Massachusetts Institute of Technology [MIT]
        -Shultz
        -The President’s policies
        -Legislation
        -Kristol book
        -Government grants
              -Students
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                                      Tape Subject Log
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                                                             Conv. No. 733-12/734-1 (cont.)

          -Texas Christian University and Brigham Young University

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 4:59 pm.

     Copy of Kristol book

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 6:03 pm.

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:59 pm.

     Forthcoming Congressional briefing on SALT
          -Folding arm chairs
               -The President’s view
               -General Services Administration [GSA]
               -Color
               -Length of briefing
               -Number
                     -GSA
                     -Charlie Roger [sp?]
               -Rex W. Scouten

Bull left at an unknown time before 6:03 pm.

     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming Head of State dinner
                -Preparation
                      -Effect on Congressional briefing

     Busing
          -Ehrlichman
                -Conversation with the President
                -Schedule

     Press conference
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                                    Tape Subject Log
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                                                             Conv. No. 733-12/734-1 (cont.)

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     Congress
         -Margaret Chase Smith
              -Clement F. Haynesworth, G. Harrold Carswell
         -National defense issues
         -Anti-ballistic missile [ABM] treaty
         -Michael J. Mansfield


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     George H. Gallup Poll copies
         -Kissinger
               -PRC
               -Soviet Union
                    -McGovern compared with Nixon
               -Use

Unknown man entered and left at an unknown time between 4:59 and 6:03 pm.

     1972 Campaign
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                                 Tape Subject Log
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                                                             Conv. No. 733-12/734-1 (cont.)

     -Maurice H. Stans
         -Secret contributors
               -Hugh W. Sloan, Jr.
         -Number of contributors
         -Collection of funds
         -Reports of funds
               -Expenditures

Kristol's book
     -Campus riots
            -Harvard
                  -Social relations classes
                  -Students for a Democratic Society [SDS]
                  -Occupation of student buildings
     -Higher education
     -University of California at Berkeley
            -Background of students
     -Equality of education and tuition
     -Federal role in universities' tuition
            -Kristol’s view
            -Loans
            -California
     -Students
            -Kristol’s view
            -Subsidies
            -Rebelliousness
                  -Kristol’s view
     -Price
     -Universities
            -Presidents
            -Professors
                  -Attitudes
            -Presidents
            -Tenured faculty
                  -Comparison with Post Office
     -Ronald W. Reagan
            -Possible reaction
            -Copy from the President
     -Faculty reforms
            -Reagan's recommendations
            -Berkeley
            -Duties of faculties
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                                Tape Subject Log
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                                                           Conv. No. 733-12/734-1 (cont.)

           -Teaching loads
     -Education
           -Classroom size
           -Price of education
           -Genetics
           -Robert F. Kennedy
           -Hubert H. Humphrey
           -Edmund S. Muskie
           -Kennedy
     -Radicals in education system
           -Inequality in economics
           -Inequality in education system
     -Administration writing style
           -Daniel P. Moynihan
                 -Comparison with Kristol
           -Ideological commitment to the administration
                 -White House staff
                       -Problems
                 -Franklin D. Roosevelt's staff
                       -Age of death
     -US intervention in Southeast Asia
           -Kristol’s view
           -US expeditionary force to South Africa
                 -Apartheid
     -PRC trip
           -Timing
           -Secretary of State
     -PRC policies
     -Warren E. Burger
     -Soviet Union
     -Liberal journalists
           -South Vietnam
                 -Type of democratic government
           -PRC
           -Hugh S. Sidey
           -Soviet Union
           -Standards of judgment
     -Patrick J. Buchanan
           -The President's writing staff

Press conference
     -Kissinger
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                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Jan-02)
                                                               Conv. No. 733-12/734-1 (cont.)

          -Foreign policy

     The President's foreign policy
          -US News and World Report article
               -Circulation of article
                      -Ziegler
                      -Candidates
                      -Colson
                      -MacGregor
               -PRC
               -Soviet Union
               -Third World
          -PRC trip
          -Arms control with Soviet Union

     Kristol's book
          -Circulation
                 -Reagan
          -Highlights

     The President's previous discussion with Burger
          -National Observer
               -Wall Street Journal
               -A reporter
               -[Forename unknown] Perry
               -Biases
               -Haldeman’s forthcoming conversation with Vermont C. Royster

     Kissinger
          -Schedule

The President talked with Kissinger at an unknown time between 4:59 and 6:05 pm.

[Conversation No. 733-12/734-1A]

     Wall Street Journal
          -National Observer
          -Vietnam
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                                     Tape Subject Log
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                                                        Conv. No. 733-12/734-1 (cont.)

     Kissinger's schedule
          -Trip
          -Luis Echeverria Alvarez

[End of telephone conversation]

     Head of State dinner for Echeverria
         -Kissinger
         -William P. Rogers
         -Melvin R. Laird
         -Kissinger
               -Presence
                     -PRC trip

     Ehrlichman
          -Trip


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     The President's schedule
          -Echeverria arrival ceremony
               -Weather
               -Television program from Mexico

     Navy
            -An article by George [Surname unknown]
                 -Revision

Haldeman left at 6:03 pm.
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                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Jan-02)