Conversation 743-006

TapeTape 743StartTuesday, June 27, 1972 at 11:57 AMEndTuesday, June 27, 1972 at 1:50 PMTape start time01:53:50Tape end time03:50:25ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Woods, Rose Mary;  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Butterfield, Alexander P.;  [Unknown person(s)];  Kissinger, Henry A.;  Ziegler, Ronald L.;  Sanchez, Manolo;  White House operatorRecording deviceOval Office

Audio for this conversation has not yet been released by the National Archives.

On June 27, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Alexander P. Butterfield, unknown person(s), Henry A. Kissinger, Ronald L. Ziegler, Manolo Sanchez, and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:57 am and 1:50 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 743-006 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 743-6

Date: June 27, 1972

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Time: Unknown between 11:57 am. and 1:50 pm.
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Rose Mary Woods.

      The President's list of baseball greats
           -Tape
                 -Names

H. R. Haldeman entered at 12:03 pm.

           -John R. (“Jackie”) Robinson
                 -Statistics
                 -The President’s recollection

Woods left at an unknown time between 12:03 and 12:06 pm.

                 -Track and field
                 -James C. ("Jesse") Owens
                 -Skill as athlete
                 -The President's view

      The President's schedule
           -Congress's schedule
                 -Delay
           -California
           -Thelm C. (“Pat”) Nixon's schedule
                 -Chicago
           -Congress
                 -Social securityand debt limit bill
           -Camp David
           -Congress

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 12:06 pm.

      Documents for President’s signature

      The President's schedule
           -Spiro T. Agnew's appearance before Jaycees
           -The President's experience as Vice President
                 -Dwight D. Eisenhower
           -Appearances by the President

Butterfield left at 12:10 pm.

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     Pending legislation
         -Welfare reform
                -Russell B. Long
         -Revenue sharing
         -Michael J. Mansfield resolution
                -Timing
                -Henry A. Kissinger
                -Timing
                -Kissinger

     Association of Counties
         -Appearances by George S. McGovern, Edmund S. Muskie,
          Hubert H. Humphrey, Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson, James B. Allen,
          George C. Wallace
         -Muskie
                -Busing
         -Vietnam

The President left at an unknown time after 12:10 pm.

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Haldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 12:10 and 12:56 pm.

           [Conversation No. 743-6A]

     Number of attendees at a function [Association of Counties]
        -David N. Parker

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           -The President’s remarks
                -Vietnam

[End of telephone conversation]

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The President entered at an unknown time before 12:56 pm.

     The President’s schedule
          -Association of Counties
          -Revenue sharing
          -Agnew's remarks

Haldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 12:10 and 12:56 pm.

     [Conversation No 743-6B]

     Association of Counties meeting
         -Agnew’s remarks
                -Revenue sharing

[End of telephone conversation]

           -Timing
           -Location
           -Possible topics for the President's remarks
           -The President's view
           -Mayors meeting

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               -New Orleans
               -The President's view
          -Association of Counties

     The President's statement on meat prices
          -Technical problems with networks
          -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] objection to format
                -Ronald L. Ziegler
                      -Sabotage
          -Teleprompter
          -Format
                -Single camera
                -Compared to previous statements
          -Press coverage on meat quotas
                -Los Angeles Times article

     Public relations
          -Efforts
                 -Political
                 -Charles W. Colson, Patrick J. Buchanan
                 -Economy
                 -Buchanan's memorandum
                       -Administration's strength
                            -National Security

     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming press conference
                -Pending legislation

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     1972 campaign
         -Polls
                -Republican National Committee [RNC] [?]
                -Ethnic groups
                -Polish organizations and press
                -Democrats and Republicans

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          -Conduct
                -Robert Lown
          -National Polish organization heads
          -Republican National Committee [RNC] [?]
     -George S. McGovern
          -Democratic National Convention
                -Platform
                     -Credentials
          -The President’s previous conversation with Charles W. Colson
          -Democratic National Convention
                -Platform
                     -Busing
                           -The President’s opinion

Richard James "Edward" Whalen's book
    -The President's nomination in 1968
          -Jeffry Bell
          -Richard James “Edward” Whalen
          -John P. Sears
          -Kevin P. Phillips
          -Jeffry Bell
          -John P. Sears
    -Richard James “Edward” Whalen
          -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman’s opinion
          -Speech on Vietnam written for the President
                -“Vietnamization”
          -Criticism of the President
          -Grudges
          -The President’s familiarity with
          -Role in 1968 campaign
                -National defense
                -Henry A. Kissinger
                -John N. Mitchell’s criticism
                -Speechwriters
                    -Patrick J. Buchanan
                    -Martin C. (“Marty”) Anderson
                    -Raymond K. Price
                    -Meeting with the President
                           -Timing [?]
    -Other books about the Administration
          -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman’s opinion
          -The President’s opinion
                -James Keogh
                -Edith Efron

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                    -Effects
                        -James Keogh
                               -Columnist position
                        -Edith Efron

     Republican National Convention
         -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                -Autographs

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     White House staff
         -Youth
         -Woods
         -Buchanan, John P. Sears, Leonard Garment
         -Kevin P. Phillips
                -Domestic policy
         -Youth
                -Political beliefs
         -Jeffrey Bell
         -Buchanan

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     1972 campaign
         -Washington Post article
               -George S. McGovern's national security policy
                    -Comparison to Dwight D. Eisenhower's
                         -Need for response from the White House
         -The President's June 26, 1972 conversation with Charles W. Colson
               -Democrats
               -John F. Griner
         -Lining up support for the President among Democrats
               -Members and former members of Congress
               -Governors
               -Mayors

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               -Other Democratic groups
                    -Teachers
                    -Labor leaders
               -Prevent Democratic unity
                    -Edmund S. Muskie
                    -George S. McGovern
                    -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
               -John N. Mitchell’s efforts
                    -Timing
                    -John B. Connally
                    -[first name unknown] Weiselman
                    -Almer Stillwell "Mike" Monroney, Jr.
         -Harry S. Dent
               -Timing
         -John B. Connally's role
               -Democrats for Nixon
         -Charles W. Colson’s role
         -John N. Mitchell
         -Almer Stillwell “Mike” Monroney, Jr.
               -Potential role
         -Compared to 1952
               -Dwight D. Eisenhower
               -Democratic voter defections to the President
         -Democratic National Convention
               -Timing
         -Frederic V. Malek
               -Potential role [?]
               -Relations with John N. Mitchell
                    -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman’s opinion
         -The President’s opinion

    John N. Mitchell
         -Forthcoming meeting
         -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman’s opinion
         -The President’s opinion

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    Public relations efforts
         -White House staff
         -Kissinger
         -John D. Ehrlichman
         -Myles J. Ambrose

                                            (rev. Feb-02)

     The President's schedule
          -Association of Counties
                -Agnew's schedule
          -Previous visit to flood area

     News leads
         -Democratic platform
         -Meat prices
         -Vietnam War
         -President’s press conference
               -Timing
         -Price controls

     Arthur F. Burns's letter
          -The President's view
          -John B. Connally
          -American people
                -Need for leadership
                     -The President’s actions
                           -Trips to the People’s Republic of China [PRC] and Soviet Union
                           -Mining of Haiphong Harbor
                     -McGovern and Wallace

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     1972 campaign
         -Issues
               -Foreign policy
               -Arthur F. Burns and George P. Shultz
                    -Weakness of pound
                        -The President’s opinion
               -George S. McGovern's appeal to youth
                    -Arthur F. Burns’ theory
                    -Possible effect on American government
               -The President’s return from the People’s Republic of China [PRC] and the
               Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]

                                        (rev. Feb-02)

          -Approaches
                -Negativism
                     -Patrick J. Buchanan
                     -John L. Sears
                     -Arthur F. Burns
                     -John B. Connally
                -Clark Macgregor
                     -More positive
                -Rose Mary Woods
                     -Attitude
                           -The President’s opinion
          -Compared to 1968 campaign
                -1967-1968
                     -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman’s opinion
                -"Ins" vs. "outs"
          -Foreign policy
                -Changes made by Administration
                -Potential challenge for Administration staff
                     -The President’s opinion
          -John N. Mitchell
          -Frederic V. Malek
                -Potential role
          -Work to be done
                -Need for enthusiasm among staff
                     -Henry A. Kissinger’s observation
                -The President’s role

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Kissinger entered at 12:56 pm.

     Kissinger's meeting with commentators
          -Ehrlichman

     Kissinger's conversation with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
          -Grain sales
                -Timing
                -Arrangements
                     -Maritime Union
                          -Peter G. Peterson, Colson
                          -Thomas W. ("Teddy") Gleason

     Kissinger's schedule

                                         (rev. Feb-02)

           -Meeting with Senators
                -Lloyd M. Bentsen, Jr., Ernest F.(“Fritz”) Hollings
                -Kissinger's Peking trip
                -Charles H. Percy, Charles MacMathias, Jr. Hollings
                     -Mansfield amendment
                          -Possible vote
                -Future meeting

     Vietnam peace negotiations
          -Forthcoming meetings
          -Chances for success
                -McgGovern

The President left at an unknown time after 12:56 pm.

           -US bombing around Hue
                -Effects

     Kissinger's schedule
          -John W. Chancellor

The President returned at an unknown time before 1:12 pm.

     Vietnam military situation
          -Letter from North Vietnamese soldier
          -Morale
                -McGovern
          -Threat of military action after election

     Vietnam peace negotiations
          -Acceptable options
          -McGovern
          -North Vietnamese strategy
          -Cease-fire
                -Release of prisoners of war [POWs]
          -Possible administration actions
          -Cease-fire
                -POWs
                -North Vietnam
                -Advantages
                -North Vietnam
          -Gloria Emerson
                -Commentary
                -Kissinger’s view

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           -Press coverage
                 -Effect
                      -Support for the President

      Kissinger's schedule
           -The President's schedule

      The President's forthcoming press conference
           -Announcement on draftees
                -Ziegler
                -Melvin R. Laird

      National Security Council [NSC] Consultant
           -Carter [First name unknown]
           -Speech at Brookings Institute
                 -View of administration policy
                       -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]

      John d. Lavelle situation
           -Press reports
           -Compared to Daniel Ellsberg situation
           -Number of violations
                 -Effect
                 -North Vietnam protests
           -Actions

      Kissinger's schedule
           -Chancellor
           -CBS
                 -Walter L. Cronkite, Jr.

Kissinger left at 1:12 pm.

      The President's schedule
           -Association of Counties
           -Agnew
           -Ehrlichman
           -Association of Counties meeting schedule

      Kissinger
           -Value of activities
           -McGovern

      Welfare

                                         (rev. Feb-02)

           -Raymond K. Price, Jr. and Buchanan
           -Administration action
                -Attack on McGovern
           -House Resolution [HR] 1
           -Abraham A. Ribicoff's proposal
           -McGovern’s proposal
           -HR 1
           -Democrat platform

     The President's schedule
          -Association of Counties
               -Ehrlichman’s view

     The President's article on baseball greats

The President talked with Woods at an unknown time between 1:12 and 1:26 pm.

           [Conversation No. 743-6C]

           -Spelling of names
                 -Ziegler
                 -Elroy Face

[End of telephone conversation]

           -Instructions for Haldeman to call Ziegler

. Haldeman talked with Ziegler at an unknown time between 1:12 and 1:26 pm.

           [Conversation No. 743-6D.]

           [See Conversation No. 26-12]

[End of telephone conversation]

           -Hugh Casey
           -Face

Ziegler entered at 1:26 pm.

           -Face
                -Correct first name
           -Mase Brown
                -Casey

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Ziegler left at 1:27 pm.

           -Face

Woods entered at 1:27 pm.

           -Brown, Casey
           -Marjorie P. Acker
                -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II's handwriting

      [No conversation]

The President left at 1:29 pm.

Manolo Sanchez entered at 1:29 pm.

       Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 1:36 pm.

The President entered at an unknown time before 1:36 pm.

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between
1:29 and 1:36 pm.

       [Conversation No. 743-6E.]

       [See Conversation No. 26-13]

[End of telephone conversation]

The President talked with Ziegler between 1:36 and 1:37 pm.

       [Conversation No. 743-6F.]

       [See Conversation No. 26-14]

[End of telephone conversation]

       Robinson
          -Owens's record

       Baseball greats

                                        (rev. Feb-02)

Ziegler entered at 1:41 pm.

       -Spelling of Jim Konstanty's name
       -Ronald Perranoski
           -Los Angeles Dodgers
       -The President's article
           -Sporting News
           -Wire services
           -Clifford Evans
           -Tom Subject [?]
                 -AP
           -Sporting News
           -Sports Illustrated
           -Washington Daily News, Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times,
       Philadelphia Inquirer
           -Evans
                 -Timing of article
                 -The President’s possible remarks to Evans
       -Frank Robinson
       -Lefty Grove
       -Hoyt Wilhelm
       -Bob Feller
       -Hank Greenberg
       -Baseball Writers Association
           -Arky Vaughn
       -The President's article
           -Newspapers
           -Magazines
           -AP

Ziegler left at 1:43 pm.

       The President's schedule
       -Association of Counties
       -William F. ("Billy") Graham

Haldeman left at 1:50 pm.

                                         (rev. Feb-02)

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