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I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Throw out the halves.

Throw those out.

Okay.

So we have five.

And he has an idea, he's done a piece for public interest that he thinks would be very helpful in making the background case for the one that he's telling the education.

That's a hurry up.

Yeah.

But he's, well, he says it'll explain the detail after it's done.

And he's been asked to do a conference in his week, which he's going to do on something else.

NBC's doing an hour documentary on busing.

They've asked him to go on that.

He will, saying that busing is another disaster.

And your position is exactly right.

Do you want Trevor's resignation letter?

We've got it there.

Roger, just bring it out.

You will.

One of them jumped on out and he said, he was just furious about Schreiber last night.

He says, I know God damn well.

He must have 30 tables in there about things where he was involved.

He came back here, decided, took a stab at running for a Democratic governorship.

Did he ever there say that President Nixon failed to end the war?

No.

So all of a sudden now he's discovered this.

You know, he came in and asked me for a job.

We've got another shot at it, which is earlier, which is even better than that.

In the 10th month of his being in Paris for you, he came in and said he knew he wasn't going to be in Paris indefinitely.

When he came back, he was going to be associated with his administration.

I didn't want to keep my eyes open for anything.

Yeah, we talked about it.

Well, the...

It's another cause.

It's really rough.

It's not about a break.

It's got to like this time.

I'm real.

I'm really catching up on Colson.

I say that Colson, that program, keep your rest in mind.

Scallion loss, that changed my mind.

That's bullshit.

Bullshit.

It's total bullshit.

I shouldn't have put that out.

I understand.

You're going to change your mind.

Let's do it.

But don't have a fight.

Understand?

Sure.

Oh, I'm not yet.

Where the hell was Skelly?

Skelly and Lawson had changed my mind.

Where did you get the idea of any of that?

I don't know where any of that came from.

Oh, there's enough substance in it.

Skelly, Lawson, and Ford, they'd all read the memorandum.

But basically, Colson's position.

I said, don't believe these people.

Scali is a guy that's really related to the fact that one of these guys was a crew there.

Since Buchanan.

Buchanan was the one who came in with the MFO at that time with the press.

Why did you change that?

That's funny.

When I say at that time with the press, you've got to understand the psychology of it.

You don't make them out of it.

but they're an individual and I'm starting to get the rules on them.

Republican National Committeeman, Mr. Fred Agnish from Texas, was in attendance at the meeting, and Mr. Agnish reported that so-and-so and such and such and so on.

Did anybody bother to call him?

I got a call in for him.

He's not available.

Call the Senate.

That's exactly the point.

The point is that you write such a thing.

You've got a bum steer from somebody who took it one way.

It's the most glaring example of pressing accuracy that you could possibly ask for.

In terms of the F on the center of the girl, which I will not lie to you for some reason.

Some girls, they miss these things, but it can affect them.

I said, not that.

I said, you read about it.

There's a tooth in the middle.

I said, did you see the AP dispatch?

I said, how many were there?

100.

Maybe 100.

Head crowd later in the party.

Never had less than $300,000 or $400,000 in the airport.

Never.

With no investment.

Never.

And of course, we'll have $10,000 as we did at the airport in Maine, $5,000.

And they'll play one song.

Let's not screw ourselves about this person.

Does everybody understand this?

Sure.

We all caught that this morning, haven't we?

That isn't the thing.

It's the other way around.

Did you discuss the Ramsey-Clark thing this morning?

Yeah.

The way the strategy has to develop there, which here I'll have to be the hard iron because I probably don't even understand.

No, this is totally just this.

He took on Ramsey-Clark as a treacherous and so forth and so on, and then he might be a member of the K.

as I told you.

Here is the parallel.

This is a hell of a thing.

Edgar Hoover, who he has great credit for 40, 50 years of public service, was the number one anaconda.

He was a bulwark in his Congress infiltration.

This guy

Yeah.

Second, Kelly White.

Ramsey Clark.

This is the man who gave me, and I used the increase in terms of aid and comfort to the enemy.

The communist enemy that killed 55,000 Americans.

And then, every day, every speech I can

We're impressed with real women, see.

But this is a matter of high substance.

Very important.

And you've got to get up there.

Not too bad, but it's got to be something other than Dole.

See, Bob Dole was the wrong one to do this.

This is why you've got to watch the Coastal Operation a little more carefully to be sure that on a major issue, his programs will have major people with him.

You see, take it away.

Or what did you decide to say?

And make him deny it.

Make him say, I'm not going to appoint him.

Or make him say he is going to appoint him.

Make him say, I think he would be.

I call upon him to retract this.

I call upon him to tell us who we put in the FBI.

We have a lot of issues.

It's a terribly important assignment.

That's one you can keep writing, though, day in, day out.

But it is.

It has to be when it's hot.

It's hot right at the moment.

Clark just said it.

If you get it a month from now, they'll say, well, that's an old story.

You've got to tie the two of them together.

Jim Fonda, that's become sort of a thought.

It's got people pretty upset.

We've got a part addressing the world on Radio Hanoi.

McGregor said he got sustained applause, something like 30 seconds of applause from a press conference.

when he hit from the .

That's my point.

If you really want to get him, I saw the news tonight, and the candidate, I mean, also the folks excited last night, Gregor had it, and he said also that Cadola had it, which really great.

I read the news tonight.

He'd gotten a gun, and

The, uh, the, uh, Watergate.

That was what they put up on the, on the, on the network.

They didn't play in this one.

They, they made it at all.

But Watergate, yeah.

Uh, Mr. President, I'm going to call security on Shriver.

They hesitate to release the letter from there in Shriverville.

The question is, should I release it here at 11 o'clock?

Why do they hesitate to release it?

Well, I don't know.

That's why I'm going to call.

I said, why should I release it here?

It was transmitted via the Secretary of State.

Why did they hesitate to release it?

Well, I don't know.

I mean, Bob, you've got to talk to Bob.

Bob's got to have the government to see my problem.

The problem with the country is if you go to the White House, well, I don't want Buster in this son of a bitch.

It's fair.

Buster.

But we'll leave it.

Or something like that.

That doesn't affect it.

They don't need to say anything.

He was all up for it.

Why?

Can't you say just in response to many inquiries?

What is his problem?

He's got a problem.

He's got an argument.

They'll have us raised.

That's worse.

That's the luck here again.

What's your guess?

Well, if he doesn't want to release the letter, the other thing he could do is he could go out and he could release a statement saying, I'm shocked and sad by the comments that Sergeant Shriver's suit to make yesterday, right?

Especially if you have been following her.

You want to make anything out of this, hitting us up for a job?

Yes, everything.

Yes, sir.

I don't know how you do it.

Well, I do it one of several ways.

I'm going to see Schechter today.

I could give it to him.

I could write Shriver a letter.

Dear Sarge, you were obviously in a slogan letter.

I'm going to do some news television in Florida next week.

I could do it down there.

I said, well, I'd be glad to consider it.

And he went back and ran for help.

And I asked him what he was going to do.

I remember that.

He was going to run, but he was considering running for governor.

Something like that.

Well, anyway, the post-court.

He never won, but an honorary nomination doesn't raise me to not.

You can say that at 14 months, you never wrote a cable report.

never expressed anything at all.

Well, when I was in here, when he was here, he said, he talked about what an honor it had been to serve you and what a superb job you were doing, working in the parasite.

Anyway, I'm proud of you as to have been a part of it.

After that, you ought to do your attribution.

You ought to check your auto writing.

John earlier,

We have had a little break in revenue sharing.

I call on

as a servant of the Appropriations Committee's jurisdiction over revenue sharing in the Senate, much to Long's, or much to Bennett's consternation.

Now, this may be a deal with Long.

And I told Carl Otis to have the Senate Finance Committee hardline it, that they have jurisdiction, create a fight, and stalemate it in the Senate.

It's probably mayhem.

McClellan won't get it all.

It may not get it all.

We got a good bounce on busing yesterday.

And this thing's going to be alive in the Congress.

They're going to just beat each other to death over it and pass the House and go to the Senate.

That's the good thing.

It's just keeping the issue going.

Let me ask one thing.

We're going to get a handgun.

We're going to go right there now.

Yep.

We're for it.

We're for the bill.

And I think it's pretty, in a pretty clean way.

Don't, I just don't want Colson to get a bad rap.

That's all.

You know, Colson works his ass off.

Everybody thinks he's just a very fair player and so forth.

But he is a hard-liner.

God damn it, he's doing it because we've told him to.

You know what I mean?

And it shouldn't have saved him.

The good guy, bad guy.

Here's Scali and being a real good guy and Stace and Mike and Colson being a bad guy.

Now, actually, they both came in at the same time.

I don't like the staff, John.

It's not right.

Colson's wrong lots of times.

It's only because he's wrong in the right direction.

Some of these other guys are just learners when it comes to a fight.

I'm aware of this.

I need an answer from you.

I've sent Rummy up to give him the word.

It'll help the CPI, you know.

It'll help the CPI to make it meet those costs.

It actually...

The way they calculate the CPI will actually knock the price of cars down.

So that's good.

Rami has asked that we include other people in this meeting this morning, which is very good.

He wants to tell you about Pennsylvania.

Then he also wants to hit you for

I'm going to speak to Labor AGW.

I assume we want to do that as early as possible and preferably before the convention so that we have all that television time at the convention to extend the beat time.

Yes.

Okay.

Well, that's the signal that we're giving them rather than to have it come down after the convention.

What is the situation?

Yes.

No, he didn't.

The damn IRS did not do what we told them to do.

They have scheduled him now for the 18th.

I called Schultz and said, that's too late, but I want him to center.

And so he should get back to me this morning.

But Walters just completely, either George or Walters, I have to assume it was Walters, just completely violated our instruction.

Why?

I think they're afraid of getting caught in the bite of the lion.

They see the implications of this politically.

But they won't go to bat for us.

That's the point.

So this is a problem.

So I went back on George and I said, George, the president is on my back on this.

This has got to be done this way.

And you must

Bring it off.

And he said, all right, I'll call him back and I'll give him the word.

And so that was last night.

Something can be done.

It's the first I've ever heard of it.

Sure.

He's doing a lot of talking right now.

Right, right.

Okay.

All right.

Good.

Kimmelman has had...

I understand.

I just find out what the source is.

Yeah.

All right.

I understand.

Okay.

Kimmelman has had, well, he's in an acute position.

He doesn't pay income tax to the United States.

Oh, yes.

Virgin Islands.

And so he's been audited the last two years by IRS agents acting for the Virgin Islands in East Cleveland.

What about the Interior Department?

What about the Justice Department?

I've got the Justice Department file coming over from Greg.

the Interior Department's a problem because Martin's in Alaska.

They won't send it to me until Martin okays it and they don't want to talk to him.

Martin's in Alaska again.

Yep.

He was there in his cabin.

I saw him.

He's just back from Alaska.

He was there.

They left two nights ago in the cabin.

Well, there was a story in the paper yesterday, Dateline Anchorage, in the picture of him, big as life.

So let me check it again.

He may have come back.

He's getting out of there.

I don't know.

Anyway, that's what's holding that thing out.

We're on it.

You ought to get in before that.

See if they're on Monday.

And as I told him, there's going to be nothing scheduled about the rest of the time.

Knocked off.

There's a lot of crap, you know, about doing something.

I said, no, unless it's on Monday.

I understand we're screwed on Reagan.

He insists on coming in Friday.

Gregor's with

All right, so they come up Friday morning, report to you, come back.

We give you the working in-camp bid, sir.

You don't want it.

But you have a veto, hopefully, Monday.

I'll sign it.

I can sign it.

I can't do that.

That's right.

I don't know what's happening.

I think you want to do there.

What is the situation, especially with regard to

came out before the Grand Jury had it.

And this new one is before they had it.

Well, it isn't anybody.

By and large, this comes from a newspaper investigation of two basic facts.

One, the Minnesota guy's gift and the Mexican lawyer.

And those two came from one of the burglars as leads out of Florida.

And

The way it did, and it came from the burglars.

The burglars didn't talk.

What I wanted to tell you was this.

My idea was how to handle the whole thing here.

After the election, I want everybody who's working on this investigation to have Nate pick out anyone, and it's Peterson or maybe one other, that explained our game to anyone.

And everybody else is fired.

Yeah.

Right.

It's like that.

Along and along.

Do you know the way that you stopped the terror of the city?

Anybody was shot by a whole town, a whole goddamn town.

I just didn't do this.

The, uh, the, uh, uh, Nordic thing is on the way to being turned around by the Civil Rights Division of the City of Los Angeles.

And, uh, so, I'm on a civil rights case.

And so...

The majority was about to endorse the civil rights division, so I believe they were right to get the hell out of it.

I, at the forecalls of Kleinbeek's, Kleinbeek's called Yorty, apologized, agreed to continue the case until after the election, and then dismissed it.

Yorty is now reasonably happy again, and then back in the fold.

But, uh, typical thing you're talking about here.

Let me reassure you of something.

Nobody on the campus this week is giving me a chance to talk.

I'm afraid, as a matter of fact, we're going to catch a lot of hell from Romney on account of our being too tough on him.

Perfectly all right?

All right.

I had his wife on the phone yesterday crying because we were so mean to him and all this stuff.

I'm not feeling terribly soft right now.

He came out with it.

He had to defend himself.

The son of a bitch failed.

Of course he went out and defended himself instead of sitting around his ass down here trying to integrate himself.

These Catholic people are also goddamn sensitive.

I had his wife on the phone yesterday crying because we were so mean to him and all this stuff.

I'm not feeling terribly soft right now.

He came out of the way.

He had to defend himself.

The son of a bitch failed.

He had to question why not defend himself instead of sitting around his ass down here trying to integrate himself.

These Catholic people are also God-damned.

I just want to reassure you that you're being able to represent us.

I know.

I'm here.

I just want to talk to you.

I am not testing him to see whether he's worthy.

Wow.

I reamed him out good yesterday.

Let's see if we get some results.

I'm going to have another person in that trade department who doesn't run this IRS problem.

I understand.

He's going to be the best Christian man in the world.

His ass is on me.

Civil rights.

Four cases.

And four cases.

Three of them were dead wrong.

One of them was right.

Boston was right.

The other three were just disasters.

And I think we've got them all in the grass.

That's great.

Birmingham, the only Republican mayor in the South.

Chicago.

Sure, sure.

I got them all turned around yesterday.

But after the fact, it's just stupid.

See how easy we got it?

Thank you.

I want to say this.

I don't care how much the person

I don't believe it was a stupid move.

It was a very stupid move on their part.

Who is going to complain?

I think we should, as soon as this letter has been sent, we should get a question.

Ask them, see what happened to these briefings.

That's right.

We ask them.

Every day.

We can't say about the opposite.

The other thing is that even the mind is our issue.

So are you.

In the name of Christ, it's a matter of him, John.

He never once had a cable.

And the presumption of this is... Did he ever send a cable to Vietnam?

No, and he had nothing to do with Vietnam.

None of it.

He had absolutely nothing.

John knows more about Vietnam.

What in the world?

I can't understand what James Rogers might have learned.

I don't know.

Because I don't see... Bill is Bill.

I'm lost.

It's all my inspectors.

They're going up to Camp David to send it up.

But I'm going to be working for a while.

I understand.

And I must say, it was impressive.

I can't, I'm very positive.

I just know you.

What you're saying, I'm not submitting to it.

Yeah.

I'll see you.

I don't know.

Oh, and stop shipping.

Shut up.

other than go to Saigon.

We'll announce the Saigon trip Tuesday morning.

And that's all I have to say.

And also I complained that once we met such violent attacks and that it was inconsistent.

So yes, the next month we didn't go to the meeting at all, and the fellow who met was much less aggressive than us.

So none of this is decisive, but if these guys thought they could get you, they'd break off the talks and be on an all-out attack against you.

They published their plan.

Right now, we're in the arms of the

students, we have a problem with that.

We've got the issue of COVID confused.

One thing I do want you to do at this meeting, if you can, if you can get it in the record, in a very clear way, and turn it down, just do it the way that you would have been able to draw.

One point that I think, I don't want to offer, I just want to have it as a defense.

If a parent says, let's do it that way, and you can say, well, sorry, Senator,

That's right.

They want us dead.

would keep our troops safe through the election.

I'm separating the ceasefire from troop withdrawal.

The dissent to ceasefire first, because then we can scope the bomb to be treated out of demand in November.

They'll not agree to the release of prisoners until they get the political thing.

What I'm going to try to do is to yooker them into talks with you, which would be a major step forward.

Agree to a lot of the basic principles which these talks are supposed to implement.

Well, he has got another issue.

On the Peterson meeting, I was glad that I read it.

It's bad that so much of it is, there's nothing in this thing.

But what I want you to know is the way I've got it set up now, and Peters is cooperating with it, is that I will bring a prophecy.

Well, we better have him hand on the gas to you.

I think he just... We better tell Flanagan then.

No, I'm sure.

He has trouble with a goddamn Flanagan.

It's the minute he knows something, he puts it on paper.

Well, I can tell him he'll be quiet.

I think he's got to know.

He's got to know.

I mean, you know what I mean?

He just can't sit there and...

I think this is the right way of doing it.

On the nuclear business, I had the British over here, because it's too dangerous for us to do this alone, so I don't.

At first, they were horrified.

But now we've gotten a draft, which they were done with me yesterday, which the Russians won't like, but at least we can give them something back.

They won't come here very fast.

That's a tricky thing I've done.

I should have shown you a vision of something like that.

We could go for what we are now giving back to them.

If the Russians don't take that, then we have to look very carefully at whether we want it.

I don't think we should ever need something like that in that field.

The name of the union right now, really, is the Russian thing.

And from this grain sales building, everything else that we go in, everything is going well, and that's all really good.

If we really look at it, the only issue for our policy

But the problem is, President must be in real trouble because he's lost on Vietnam.

He's lost on the Middle East.

If we could come up with a formulation that isn't too difficult.

Secretary Peterson.

I think if we can get it, Mr. President, we should...

The British are now happy with it and they've helped us in NATO.

I'm sure the Chinese would be thrilled because we've put in a clause which explicitly covers them now in our counter draft.

Probably the Russians will lose interest.

We can handle it like we did the Middle East.

Get it to her.

I think it'd be a great mistake just to drop it.

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