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Start Date: 7-Sep-1972 3:36 PM

End Date: 7-Sep-1972 4:28 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Griffin, Robert P.Lolich, Mickey S.Korologos, Thomas C.White House photographerBull, Stephen B.Burns, Arthur F.Shultz, George P.Sanchez, ManoloEhrlichman, John D.

Recording Device: Oval Office

772-012a.mp3

772-012b.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 7, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Robert P. Griffin, Mickey S. Lolich, Thomas C. Korologos, White House photographer, Stephen B. Bull, Arthur F. Burns, George P. Shultz, Manolo Sanchez, and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:36 pm to 4:28 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 772-012 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 772-12

Date: September 7, 1972
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Time: 3:36 pm - 4:28 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Robert P. Griffin, Mickey S. Lolich and Thomas C. Korologos.

[The White House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.]

            Greetings

            Introductions

            Baseball
                -Length of season
                -Carl M. Yastrzemski
                     -Pitching by Lolich
                     -Average
                          -Swing
                     -Visit to White House
                     -Work with children
                -Al Kaline
                -Baltimore Orioles
                     -Victories

            Presidential gifts
                -Cufflinks
                     -Presidential seal
                -Pin
                     -Presidential seal

            Visit to the White House by Detroit Tigers baseball team
                -Date
                -Wives
                -The President's visit with Lolich's wife
                      -World Series game
                          -Michigan

            Presidential gifts
                -Golf ball
                -Kaline

            Allen J. Ellender
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Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:36 pm.

             The President’ schedule
                 -Arthur F. Burns

Bull left at an unknown time before 3:42 pm.

             Lolich's background
                 -Croatians
                      -The President's trip to Belgrade
                 -Lolich's father
                      -Lolich on a motorcycle

Burns and George P. Shultz entered at an unknown time after 3:36 pm.

             Introductions
                  -Money

             Economic condition
                -Percent
                -Baseplayers' salaries
                    -Wage and price freeze

Griffin, Lolich and Korologos left at 3:42 pm.

             Shultz's introduction to Lolich
                 -H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                 -Winning game
                       -Number

             The President’s schedule

             Request for a photograph

Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:42 pm.

             Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 4:28 pm.
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Economic policy
   -Spending ceiling
        -The President's possible conversation with Wilbur D. Mills
             -Burns's analysis
        -Mills's support for the President
             -Support of US
        -The President's possible conversation with Mills
             -Political situation
        -Debt ceiling bill
             -Shultz's meetings with George H. Mahon and Mills
        -Senate
             -Debt ceiling bill
        -$200 billion ceiling
             -Mahon's analysis
                  -Effect on programs
        -The President's analysis
             -Possible impoundment
             -Effect on Congress
        -Debt ceiling hearings
             -Amount of money
                  -Estimate of debts
                       -Shultz’s view
                       -Time duration
             -Burns
        -Mills's view
             -Domestic financial markets
             -International financial markets
   -International Monetary Fund [IMF] meetings
        -The President's appearance
             -Statement
                  -Herbert Stein's preparation
             -The President's knowledge of subject
             -Prepared notes by Treasury staff
        -The President's statement
             -Idea of selling the President's proposal to press
                  -Edward Dale
                  -Wall Street Journal
                       -Election year
        -The President as target by critics
        -Shultz's speech compared with the President's speech
             -Content
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US international economic policies
    -Shultz and Burns proposal
        -William P. Rogers
        -Stein
    -Rogers
        -US proposals
             -Effect on foreign markets
    -Burns’s analysis
        -Relationship between US and foreign economic markets
    -Japan
        -Kakuei Tanaka
        -Relationship with US
        -US 1972 election
             -Effect
        -Burns’s possible visit to Japan
             -Effect
             -Hawaii
        -Relationship with Europe
        -Henry A. Kissinger’s office
        -Tanaka
             -Background
             -Knowledge
    -US relationship with various foreign countries
        -Europe
        -Japan
        -Canada
        -Trip to Latin America by Burns
             -Mexico
             -Brazil
             -Argentina
    -Latin America
        -Invitation of governors of central bank of foreign countries
             -Brazil
             -Argentina
             -Colombia
             -Venezuela
             -Peru
                  -Columbia
                  -Mexico
                      -Trip by Burns
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     -Trip to Mexico City by Burns
         -Date
         -The President’s view
     -Chile
-Social invitation
     -Burns
     -Foreign diplomats and ambassadors
     -Financing of luncheon
         -State Department
              -Diplomacy
                   -Great Britain
-Latin America
     -Report by Burns
     -Trip
     -Argentina
         -Gen. Juan Domingo Peron
         -Relationship with US
              -Financial organization
                   -Governor of Central bank
                     -Credentials
                     -Burns’s view
                   -Burns’s conversation with economic advisors
     -Brazil
     -Peru
     -Brazil
         -Burns’s view
              -Capitalism
         -Type of government
     -Expropriation
         -The President’s view
              -Honduras
              -Peru
              -Argentina
         -Burns’s view
-State Department
     -Radicals in foreign countries
         -Chile
     -Relationship with Brazil
-Latin America
     -The President’s view
         -Uruguay
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                          -Autocratic governments
                     -Emilio Garrastazu Medici
                          -Conversation with Burns
                               -US press stories of countries in Latin America
                                    -Criticism of governments by US press
                                      -Political prisoners
                     -Political prisoners
                          -Chile
                     -Terrorism
                     -History
                          -The President’s view
                     -Medici
                          -Conversation with Burns
                               -American businessmen
                                    -Burns
                               -Private enterprise and foreign investments
                 -Brazil
                     -The President’s view
                          -Type of country
                 -Secretary of Treasury
                     -Trips
                          -Europe

             Israel
                  -Olympics raid in Munich

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:42 pm.

             The President’s schedule
                 -Forthcoming meeting with congressional leaders
                 -Photographer

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:28 pm.

             Middle East
                -Israel
                     -Burns’s view
                     -Possible retaliation
                         -Beirut
                -Burns’s trips abroad
                     -Types of people
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    -Israelis
    -Arabs
    -Murder of Israeli Athletes at Olympic Games in Munich
         -Terrorists
    -Lebanon
    -Arabs
         -US relationship
         -Actions by Israel
              -Need for negotiations
              -Possible result of peace efforts
         -US relationship
              -1972 Presidential election
              -Idea of progress in relationship and timing
                  -Kissinger
         -US relationships
              -Jordan, Lebanon, Iran and Saudi Arabia
         -Soviet Union
              -Relationship with Egypt, Syria, and Iraq
    -Israel
         -Relationship toward Soviet Union
              -US–Soviet Union relationship
         -US relationship
              -Rogers
                  -Efforts by US towards Israel
                       -Kissinger
              -1972 election

US economic policies
    -Taxes
        -1972 election
            -McGovern
                 -Strategy
                 -Corporations
                 -Individuals
                 -Mills
                 -McGovern’s budget
                 -Tax proposals
                      -Burns’s view
                        -Type of plan
                 -Attack on the President
                      -Sales tax and value-added tax [VAT]
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                                      -Burns’s view
                                      -Political weights
                     -The President's position
                           -Increase of taxes
                 -Tax reform
                     -Minimum tax proposal
                     -Municipal securities
                     -Capital gains taxes
                     -Idea of satisfying sense of equity
                 -Idea of raising taxes
                 -Minimum tax proposal
                     -Shultz’s view
                           -Tax shelters
                                -McGovern
                 -Perception of current policy

John D. Ehrlichman entered at an unknown time after 4:07 pm.

                     -Tax reform program
                 -Ehrlichman's statements at press conference
                     -VAT
                     -Governors and mayors
                     -Advisory Committee on Intergovernmental Relations
                      [ACIR]
                          -Position on VAT
                               -Ehrlichman’s comments
                               -The President's administration
                                   -Tax increase
                          -Tax substitution
                     -Tax Reform Act of 1969 and 1971
                          -The President's tax policies
                               -Poor
                               -Elderly people
                               -Reducing lower income brackets
                               -Taxes on corporations
                               -Equity
                     -ACIR
                          -Problems with study on VAT
                               -ACIR conclusions
                 -Sales tax or VAT
                     -Election year
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         -McGovern's position
             -Tax increases
-McGovern's policies
    -Spending increases
         -Programs
    -Military budget
    -Welfare program
    -Other programs
         -Results as a tax increase
-Question of who will be affected by a minimum tax
    -Type of revenue
         -Amount
             -Burns’s view
    -Tax shelter industry
    -Individuals affected by tax increase
         -Burns’s view
         -Salaries of $50,000 or above
         -The President's position
             -Idea of politics
         -Salaries of $15,000-25,000
         -Public relations aspects
    -1969 proposal
         -Revisions
    -Depletion allowances
    -Tax preferences
    -Tax laws
         -Democratic Congress
             -Raising taxes
         -Current tax percentage
             -People affected by tax increase
                  -Public relations
                  -Burns’s view
-Tax increases
    -Administrations position
    -McGovern’s view
    -Tax reform compared with tax increase
-1972 Presidential campaign
-Ehrlichman's transcript of press briefing
    -McGovern compared with Nixon position
         -Tax increases
-Tax increases
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                      -Individuals in high income brackets
                          -The President’s view
                          -1969 proposal to Congress
                               -Savings
                                    -Additional spending
                               -Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
                               -Community action
                      -Relief on property taxes
                 -The President's position
                      -Tax reform compared with tax increase
                 -Tax increase
                      -People with mid-level income
                      -Tax decreases
                          -Property taxes
                          -Result of both positions
                 -Property tax
                      -Revenue sharing
                 -The President's previous conversation with Shultz
                      -IMF
                      -Meeting between the President, Shultz, Ehrlichman,
                       and Burns
                          -Political considerations
                 -Status quo
                      -Burns’s view
                 -Economic discussions
                      -Edwin S. Cohen
                          -Contributions to discussions
                               -Tax issue

             The President's schedule
                 -Meeting with Senators
                     -Photographs
                 -Meeting between Shultz, Ehrlichman, and Burns
                     -Location
                          -Cabinet Room

Shultz, Burns, and Ehrlichman left at 4:28 pm.