Nixon White House Tapes ›Tape 772 › Conversation 772-013

Nixon, Bull & Ehrlichman on Republican Party and Public housing

Thursday, September 7, 1972 · 4:28 PM–4:30 PM ET · Oval Office ·1 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Bull, Stephen B.;  Ehrlichman, John D.Conversation772-013 onTape 772StartThursday, September 7, 1972 at 4:28 PMEndThursday, September 7, 1972 at 4:30 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 772-013 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and John D. Ehrlichman met to coordinate the President's upcoming interactions with Republican candidates. The discussion focused on managing political messaging, specifically regarding the sensitive issue of public housing funding. Nixon decided to adopt a non-committal public stance on the topic to avoid potential controversy during his meetings with GOP congressional and gubernatorial candidates.

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We'll go to Lisa and have that come back in.
All right, so we're going to do this at your house and your cousin's first.
Yeah, and then we'll be doing that at your cousin's.
I don't know if it's better, but it's broken.
It's broken as well.
We're going to hit you on the wall when you come out of the house.
Uh, this is a very hot issue at the moment because of some evidence that broke off and it was passed.
Are we for it?
Don't, don't respond to it one way or the other if you don't mind.
Yeah, I'll say, I'll say that we're sitting at one of the ends.
All right, good.
Let's go.

NARA Description

On September 7, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:28 pm and 4:30 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 772-013 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 772-13

                                         (rev. Oct-06)

Date: September 7, 1972
Time: Unknown between 4:28 pm and 4:30 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

             The President's schedule
                 -Meeting with Republican Congressional and gubernatorial
                  candidates
                     -Senators

Butterfield left and Ehrlichman entered at 4:30 pm.

             US economic policies
                 -The President's upcoming meeting with Republican
                  Congressional and gubernatorial candidates
                     -Possible discussion with Edward W. Brooke
                         -Money for public housing
                              -The President's response

Ehrlichman left at 4:31 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 772-013, September 7, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/772-013 (accessed September 18, 2026).