Conversation 783-004

Transcript (AI-Generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Yeah.

Yeah, all right.

That's all I had, so I'm not sure.

But he did say that Gary can be in other sort of political connections.

I'm just going to pull this through.

Yeah, I think it's quite what you can say.

Thank you.

No.

I've heard that the climate is bad for the Arabs.

I would say extreme stuff.

But now the Arabs are being trained by him to know.

Well, mostly the militant Jewish Defense League.

Oh, yeah.

And he would.

He's bad.

We've checked it seriously, and he is bad.

And they had some plots.

They were just unbelievable that the NBI afforded.

So they played their keeps.

But so far, lately, they've been much more stupid.

He's been over in Israel a lot, Kahani.

But he made this statement that has the Arab diplomats climbing the wall, talking about killing of Arab diplomats.

Well, the only thing we can do is kill Arab diplomats with that.

I'm going to ask you, who?

Tides, or whatever.

You know, we've gotten down quite a bit, that is, to try and dissolve it.

On 16th Street and right downtown.

But we've done fairly well in Washington, D.C. We've done well in Chicago.

uh the police are good

The commission is good, they respond quickly.

And we've given 40 additional officers three PS and the Arabs, the Lebanese fellow who got a lot of threats, his wife called Barbara yesterday and said that they were very pleased with the personal protection.

So, you know, regarding against the terrorists, there's just not too much.

I think one of the things that's happened in the last couple of weeks, the greater matter is that everything that you can think of is

Major reports have been endangered.

Commercial aviation, for example.

The Swedish airline was hijacked by croaks.

So it doesn't .

This incident this morning,

which engages the mail.

The mail and I would think that the people in the postal service would be upset as hell.

That's where the mail and I was.

They found that Atlanta and Cypress had a bomb port, and the bomb, if they hadn't received it, I'm just going to call it, 97 people would have been killed because the bomb would have exploded before they reached Rome.

At Munich, there was another really killed, who was that?

Russell Russells.

So that you have international organizations that can do a general assembly now.

Everybody's going to wonder whether somebody's going to throw a bomb.

And you have the mails and you have the commercial aviation.

Last year they had a guy get up on the speeches and start giving a speech.

I mean, they have to tighten up on the security level.

And suddenly somebody said, well, what's this fellow doing?

He's a guy from Brooklyn that walked in and wanted to speak about China.

Before they knew it, he was delivering a speech there in front of the whole thing.

So they've now tightened up their security slightly.

Well, as you mentioned to me, what you're going to take out with you is there is right that the Israelis will start sending terrorists into London and other places to retaliate.

Let me ask you a question.

You know, it's a very daunting question for us, because we can't pull our whole policy with the Russians, because of the, you know, something just quite wrong in general.

But, you know, we've got to show the Russians.

I mean, this has been raised.

I mean, you've got a lot of, you know... Well, a lot of mail.

What are we going to do with it?

Yeah, but we've got to... No, no, sir, it won't be raised.

We know of it now.

item that will cover it, although there are some fourth committee items that go into discrimination where it could well be raised.

I mean, it was something we wanted to do in the law, but there's nothing on it.

I think the real question we have is, what do we do about the trade agreement?

Because if we sign the trade agreement,

Yeah, but I hope that they do.

No, it shouldn't be submitted to Congress.

It seems to be as operative as we're getting it.

And they would like to have that before anything.

And I think probably all they require is a statement from us that will submit the debt credit proposal so that the agreement itself won't have to be submitted to Congress.

What I think the, what you expect probably is a sense of the Congress, and as Jack asked us along, put it on the record,

So all we need in the agreement is they have to make a number of, and they have agreed to that, a number of site agreements on market disruption and so forth, which will make it easier for us to submit MFN, which are trade centers and so forth, and that we're going to get in the new year.

But none of this has to go to Congress before January.

But I think what will happen is,

because it is a pretty good issue.

They will say, they will, there's a resolution saying an export-export credit shouldn't be advanced until the exit fees problem is solved.

Which could serve well for us on export-exit fees.

Or maybe not, maybe.

We can't really.

We have a few of our Jewish folks that we can't really allow.

We can't take the position that we can allow that.

We're trying to flatten that practice.

If our interests are served by a commercial agreement or something else, you say, well, we aren't going to do this or that unless the Soviet government changes its internal policy regarding Jews, Poles, Ukrainians.

open the gate on this, they're going to have the Ukrainians raising hell and a lot of others.

I think they all want to get out of the damn place.

I mean, I think they would.

Well, I agree with that.

But I understand.

I mean, we're at a spot where we're all coming down to see us.

The only question that it seems to me is whether the advantage of the trade agreement for the election is greater than the liability or whether we benefit from it or not in the election.

I mean, I think that the

I would opt for coming in and signing it, but I think we do have to recognize it's going to be a little bit of a project.

Suppose it didn't win.

I see your point better.

Even here, you would see it better.

It might parse out in such a way that we could sign a trade agreement.

And Chaffetz et al.

might say, well, we should have signed the arraignment without a specific understanding.

Like you said then, what would you suppose your action could be?

I think we're going to have to try to expand it so that if we don't sign it, we can do it again.

And secondly, I think the

American foreign policy hostage to what is after all in the domestic jurisdiction of the Soviet Union and I think we can be a little bit more effective not talking to the Soviets quietly than not making our foreign policy hostage well that's exactly what we've done of course that's what we've been telling them and I think they probably know as I say I think I

I mean, they've done a good issue and they're now in the range.

And I was mentioning to the leaders this morning that we'll hold it not too early because it's more or less a domestic problem, but real questions.

If there was ever anything that was, I mean, that was unintentional, what happened?

You know, we expected a $700 million deal over three years, but $300 million in cash this year.

The Russians didn't tell us that they had to help the crop bigger, so that everything went up to $700 million or something this year, right?

And as a result, the deal became a lot bigger.

But when you really scratch it all out, people say, well, I'm hiring you.

They have a great deal with the Chinese.

They have a great deal with the Soviet Union.

We've got more.

They're selling soy beans or whatever the hell the Japanese eat.

And the farm prices are way up there.

And so we're spending the bill.

I don't know.

It's just one of those things where some jackass in the Department of Agriculture probably would have the best intentions to say,

for some of which we know 100% What do you figure?

Well, I don't know what the details of the agriculture's relations with the big grain dealers were.

All I know is that there was a week in which the Soviet's employed us not to tell anybody so that they could get their orders placed before the price went up.

and therefore I can't see any incentive for our people to have to let the word get out and therefore prevent the branch to go out.

After the deal was made, it turned out that they placed a hell of a lot more orders, and that of course would drive the project.

I think that the things that infuse the public won't stand very much, except, I think, in the voices of the two fellows who went through it the entire time.

Well, that was our plan.

But you know we're going to be able to convince the public that

Well, I don't.

I didn't know they left, actually.

I don't know.

They appealed to the Russians to send their ships over the coast of the Arabian Peninsula, even though they would have triggered a maritime strike.

The Russians had already dispatched three ships, and we got them to turn them around.

Well, Teddy Gleason's boys wouldn't handle them.

That's right, but the great people thought they could.

They were vague with Gleason, and they should know the reason those things never went through during the Johnson period.

a little argument was that, uh, they, uh, was that they couldn't get a deal with the Libertarian League, with the United States.

And it's really ironic.

We, the great anti-Labor Republicans, are making a deal with police.

And, uh, you know, and, uh, Calhoun and all those guys.

And they're playing ball with this.

And I'll get on into it a little bit now.

So it's a great thing, really.

It's a, it's a, it's a marvelous deal.

But as you say, why in the world did Paul and these people have to go

take off.

Thank God Hardin left a year earlier, so he doesn't get in a bus.

Tom, he left six months ago.

No, Hardin agreed to leave six months ago.

He's back left just at the same time.

Yeah, that's right.

The deal to leave was made before the... Before he left.

Before he left.

You know, we ought to have the same arrangement.

We have...

I think the bill is an arrangement that you have with lawyers, isn't it, that you can't go and serve in any sort of a, what are you, what is that?

Well, it's a two-year statute of limitations.

You can't be involved in any case that you would measure, or you can't be involved in any claim against the government for two years, whether you're involved in it or not, so that after you leave as lawyer,

Well, maybe this is an opportunity to have told you what the issues are going to be.

Korea and Bangladesh are coming up in kind of a negative way.

How is Bangladesh coming up?

Well, because the Yugoslavians are going to try to raise it under the...

click off the contentious items that Bangladesh has won.

Korea, we're trying to defer the debate, and we think we're going to succeed on that now.

The question, when I was there, that was the best mention that you said.

They were cooperating to do the debate.

I think we have a response.

On Korea, we think it's going to be deferred permanently.

We think the votes are there.

The Secretary's been pushing hard, and we're on the offense on that one.

We're on defense.

We're taking the offense.

I'm trying to set a ceiling of 25% through negotiation, and that's an all-out offense.

And we're making some progress.

It's a difficult one, though, because every time we try to get down, somebody will think, well, it's coming out of my eye.

George, on that point, I think we shouldn't make a big public issue about it.

Let's do it all quietly.

I noticed the 25.

Yeah, let's not.

The quieter we, I think we may lose that.

I don't want to make a big issue.

I mean, we may lose it in the U.N., but I'm afraid we might.

So if we start talking about it, for example, and somebody compares it to include it in my statement, I don't want to talk about it.

But I mean, don't lose it, but don't get caught trying.

We'll try.

All right, I think that's right.

We're a disarmament conference in the Middle East.

We'll come later, disarmament.

It's a propaganda thing now between China and Russia, and we are not supporting it.

Moscow communicates support at an appropriate time, but nobody feels that this is a time to push for it.

So we're again on the defense on this one.

Middle East will be deferred by just kind of general agreement until after the elections.

Notice that the Russians have submitted a proposal yesterday for banning of the event at all and renouncing it for worse.

Well, this is a new item, Secretary.

But it's a last-minute thing.

They had no consultation.

We consulted closely with the Russians up there.

And it's amazing how the spirit of Moscow is going to get diverted.

What a difference it makes.

I was in Geneva.

to work these out ahead of time.

Here, they proposed it, so it really falls.

But on this one, he sprung it on us at the last minute, and we really still, maybe the department's got it now, but it's not, there's very little detail on it.

What we think they're doing up there is kind of playing it off against the Chinese again.

China's got no first strike, no discussion, unless it's the first strike.

Well, but the first thing they're pushing on up there, anyway, is the first strike.

And the Russians don't want to go on that.

So it's fascinating to see them vying with each other.

And that's what we think this other amendment is about.

This other amendment.

I speak on Monday, so we can deal with this once we have a chance to look at it.

OK. And to answer your question, as we just said, we reviewed the forthcoming items, and it's charging in, and whatever you want to say in terms of the .

I think in terms of what the public is interested in, the terrorism, I think you ought to get that.

I think you also said, Paul, I want to say that we expressed very great concern about security.

The people there want to provide the best security, as much help as we can.

I think you ought to get that.

And a little of that, people are, you know, the whole Olympic business, all this, that puts the subject up and shows that we're really...

We're really on top of it.

We're taking on the issue here.

Errors, I think you were saying, terrorism, hijacking, drugs, all that sort of thing.

Those are the domestic issues that help us.

And the fact that we're, would you agree that that is a concern as well?

Does it, would it concern, I don't know, but it won't help the selection.

I mean, would it concern us in mentioning security if I said that the express concern about all the diplomats are concluding, I mean, the Arabs are very sensitive.

Would it mention, would it hurt to mention Arab in there?

I don't know.

Well, the only reason is that this would help us tremendously domesticate up there, because this Aramar veto thing has got us in.

I'm thinking not of the Middle East issue.

We were right on it, but I'm thinking in terms of these other things where we need votes.

They're sulking in their tents.

They feel nobody loves them.

And I won't doubt you.

Well, it doesn't concern me that Eric's in action.

If you mention them with others, it's very unfair to anybody.

And the whole point is that

Maybe it's better not to put it, but I just feel very sensitive about the Arabs we got.

Barbara called the wife of the third secretary, whose life was threatened the other night, of the United Arab Emirates, and they're under constant pressure, I think, as they tell the president.

Aware of this, we have to certainly give them a re-private chance of awareness.

Maybe we can do that.

Why don't you have a little, I mean, you have dues and so forth and so on here.

I was clear and certain about it.

I talked about this thing.

I expressed my concerns about what would happen with the tie down here.

I said, right, we're not going to have this kind of stuff.

We don't care who it is.

I have a little bit of a private handful here.

I have a little bit of a tie, but it doesn't have anything to do with it.

I don't like to put that in the same category as these other things.

No, that's correct.

Well, these are things like that.

I can just emphasize these.

If we were asked, I'm sure you would be like that.

I think you will be, of course, even though you are African, you don't have any honor.

You're a subject that will be a matter of Israeli exodus.

Do you get a thought out of there?

Well, again, I get a tremendous amount from domestic groups, but very little officially in the

The Israelis really have a very lousy form to the U.N. because the votes aren't their form.

So the Human Rights Commission are in some of these things.

Really, there's very little conscience, and a lot of it stems from this U.N. internal affairs thing.

There's this act like the Irish terrorism.

Nobody discusses that there because that's the internal affair of the United Kingdom.

And so there's very little issues that concern our people that wonder why the hell are the U.N. doing something.

The word of the UN about it.

Uganda, 200,000 people.

Who did this?

The ruling group is exterminating all what was passed for education in Peru.

The Hutus.

It's a tribal thing, Mr. President.

It's basic, fundamental, tribal warfare.

What about these other songs?

Well, again, it's... You've got to go first.

Let's not forget.

Well, it's racial, but it's partly because of Bhuta, what his name was, the one that was thrown out when he went to Tanzania.

He's been marshalling the guerrilla force to go back and attack.

I mean, Amin is a great, big, tough, crazy fellow, about 64, who's the leader of the country now.

and he's decided that all white people are conspirators.

So we've got 50,000 Asians, and that's looking at a long time, that they've expelled.

There's 1,000 Americans, we've got nine Americans now, and they're arrested.

And we've been trying to get our Americans out as fast as we can.

We had a Peace Corps fellow killed last night.

And we finally got the AP report out, I think we got it out this morning.

But the fellow's a madman, and they're shooting everybody.

country is just unsafe all over.

They've got some missionaries that they're arresting.

So it is an interesting thing, except for Fiatra, where you have the Catholic issue involved.

Or Rhodesia, where they get the American blacks concerned about the whites putting them on them.

At least in South Africa, nobody's killing the Africans.

The crisis that they each other, nobody gives a damn.

That's true.

They don't give a damn, do they?

42 votes and none of them speak up.

Well, and the same system.

Here, the Asians are being spelled on strictly racial grounds.

They have no connotation, whatever.

The Indians, whose people are involved, don't say anything because they want to keep the goodwill of the Africans.

The British are stuck with these 50,000 Asian schools.

They have actually less responsibility than the Indians would.

And no one else

100,000 nations, you would have to .

Well, that's a .

Take our point a bit further.

The other day we had a speech commending Hitler, saying he was the great humanitarian, performed great service to humanity by killing all the .

Nobody said .

Well, we did.

Well, we have nine American Jews that .

It's not easy to get them out, though.

I read everything.

I just wondered whatever was necessary.

The guy is not mad.

He's not mad.

He's got no education at all.

He's got a college degree.

There's a box there.

It's a real thing.

But I've been hearing about Ferrandi for a long time.

And it's governmental policy.

This isn't that soldiers are not involved.

This is systematic evidence.

Take care of your family, don't kill them.

Good God.

All that's a family.

Unbelievable.

What does an Arab have to say about it?

What does one of them speak of?

Nothing.

They may not be doing it themselves later.

The total population of the country is only a few million.

Hey, a former expatriate, former student of mine, was a proud friend of that country.

He got killed in the...

through his grave about five years ago.

And the Belgians, when they left, hadn't provided that anyone tried for political drives, could have a Belgian lawyer.

So they gave him a Belgian lawyer, but no interpreter.

Yes.

And the lawyers wouldn't understand what was going on.

They had to.

All right.

1958.

Of course, he had a stroke, but I don't know.

And I called him, and he was sort of sitting on a big boat, and he finally took a little break or something and began to talk about it.

On that day, the big news in Britain said, Donna is going to unite Guinea.

And so I got up and made some conversation.

I said to Mr. Bratton, Mr. Bratton, you're going to talk to a small group of people.

I mean, on the...

human, I'll see him, I'll see him, you know, and the exact, for me, for the fact that I want to see them for a, for a sort of a talk, and have them at dinner tonight, make it small.

For Hume, I thought we could have him in the blue room, and, which would give us about, room for about 12, 12 people.

You think he's got it bigger than that?

Well, I think he'd like it a smaller, that sort of, have it there.

Now, for Miko,

It's because I happen to have there, I'm going to go to me Aunt David and I'm going to take him up and let him see the new building and so forth where we're going to have the Soviet next year.

And so we'll just go up, have dinner there, and then we'll have the same number up there.

And I'd be glad, in your case, if you would bring

Cecil, Cecil, and on their side, they will bring Andrew Green, Andrew Eastman, and Ron Bronson.

Well, you can bring an extra person, whatever you want.

We'll work out the time.

That's what we're going to do.

We're going to treat them both about the same.

What about Superman?

God, is he coming?

Yeah, we're going to see him.

You'll have to see him.

I don't think, yeah.

I can't give him a dinner because we'll also fill these two or three sons of bitches.

You'll miss him.

You know, basically, it's being seen for reasons of energy.

I mean, old French, you know, he gave it in front of me.

But Andrew, you know, because he gives it in front of me.

He does.

But Jim, I don't know.

That's the only point.

Well, I'll see it right here.

I'll see it at the same time.

You didn't have to go.

But I've limited, I think, pretty much to those.

I think we're getting there.

Now, what about the Italians?

Well, like I said, we'll listen.

Well, I'll see as many as I can.

I don't mind seeing quite a group of Macs.

Well, you're on the internet.

You should have those teachers and the...

Right.

The humans, correct?

I think you ought to be a few gentlemen.

One thing about seeing an Italian and believing, you've got to figure an R. Well, this fellow doesn't speak English.

He might be able to learn it.

We can do ours.

Okay.

Uh, maybe today.

He's really, I don't know how serious this is.

They're going to do a major operation.

Where is he?

Thank you.

That's better.

He doesn't know he's got it.

Mother does.

So he gets better.

He's going to take it.

Yeah.

Oh, I wish you well.

I wish you well.

I don't get it when I call.

He's a great one.

I admire him.

I just want to say his name.

All reports that he used to tell us about his teachings.

And I get more of it when I get out and talk to him.

that this is over, why we want to talk about what you want to do in the future.

That will be, whether it may be you should stay here, I don't know, but let's look at that.

Well, I think the time for us to do it is a certain deal immediately after the election.

I've already told our people around here, you're in our plans.

And we will think about it.

Are you coming for me?

But I'm checking very carefully.

I don't want to get it on your mind, but after this next time.

Well, I love this.

But I'd like to, again, if you had 15 minutes, I'll tell you.

Because I remember what you told me.

I checked it.

It's public speculation.

I'm talking to you.

Well, I think you're trying to run into trouble.

I'm reaching for it.

Maybe I'm reaching for you.

Well, that is still alive.

It has come out very gracefully by others putting the idea forward.

Well, thank you.

Thank you.

You don't get a good taste of money, huh?