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Start Date: 13-Oct-1972 4:39 PM

End Date: 13-Oct-1972 5:43 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Colson, Charles W.Butterfield, Alexander P.Bull, Stephen B.Ehrlichman, John D.Timmons, William E.

Recording Device: Oval Office

797-029a.mp3

797-029b.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, Alexander P. Butterfield, Stephen B. Bull, John D. Ehrlichman, and William E. Timmons met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:39 pm to 5:43 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 797-029 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 797-29

Date: October 13, 1972
Time: 4:39 pm - 5:43 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Charles W. Colson.


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H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 4:47 pm.
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                                    Tape Subject Log
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       Welfare
          -George E. Christian’s previous conversation with Colson
               -Black demonstrators
                   -New Summary
          -Black demonstrators
               -Arrests
                   -Washington, DC police
                        -Statements
          -Radio Address on Crime and Drug Abuse, October 15, 1972
               -Length
                   -Broadcast time
                        -Raymond K. Price, Jr.

       The President's schedule
           -Frank L. Rizzo
               -Campaign practices
                    -Support for Nixon
                         -Philadelphia wards


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       1972 campaign practices
           -White Paper
               -Patrick J. Buchanan
                    -1701 [Pennsylvania Avenue] [Committee to Re-elect the President]
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                                      Tape Subject Log
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                      [CRP]
             -Research problems
                 -John E. Nidecker
                     -Richard (“Dick”) Tuck
                 -L. Nicholas Ruwe
                 -Dwight L. Chapin
                 -John C. Whitaker
                 -Democratic Party activities
                     -Publications, demonstrators
                     -Donald F. Rodgers
                          -New York office
                     -Phoenix headquarters
             -George S. McGovern's forthcoming speech on corruption
                 -Response
                     -Robert J. Dole
                     -Clark MacGregor
                     -Kenneth W. Clawson
                 -Libel Suits
                     -Clawson
                     -Washington Post
                          -New York Times Co. v. Sullivan
                          -Clawson’s background
                               -Nieman Fellowship
                               -Reporter
                          -Marilyn Berger
                 -Effect on public confidence
                     -Colson’s experience
                 -Clawson
                 -Washington Post building dedication ceremony
                 -Negative posters
                     -International Brotherhood of Teamsters
                 -William P. Rogers
                     -Clawson

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at an unknown time after 4:47 pm.

        The President's crime and drug abuse speech
            -Length
                -Reduction

Butterfield left at an unknown time before 5:25 pm.
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                                    Tape Subject Log
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       1972 campaign practices
           -White paper
               -Violent activity in campaign
                   -Memorandum to all the President’s campaign offices
           -Clawson
               -Open letter to editors
                   -Washington Post
                        -New York Times
                        -Nieman Fellowship
                        -Op-Ed article
                        -Effect of Washington Post reporting on other newspapers
                   -White House press corps
                   -Clawson’s ex-colleagues
           - Washington Post's Watergate coverage
               -Effect on the 1972 campaign
                   -John B. Connally’s forthcoming television [TV] appearance

       1972 campaign
           -Colson’s recent conversation with Louis P. Harris
           -Polls
               -Harris
                   -Watergate
               -George H. Gallup
                   -George S. McGovern’s Vietnam speech
                        -Timing
               -Daniel Yankelovich
                   -Timing
                   -Gallup
                        -Strategy
                             -Harris
               -Albert E. Sindlinger
                   -Approval
                        -The President
                             -Compared to McGovern
           -Tone
               -Mood of the country
                   -Connally’s forthcoming TV appearance


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                                      Tape Subject Log
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        The President's schedule
            -Meeting with John D. Ehrlichman, William E. Timmons

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        1972 campaign practices
            -Heckling
                -Eleanor (Stegeburg) McGovern
                     -Teamsters
                -R. Sargent Shriver
                -Dole
                -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
                -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                -Tricia Nixon Cox
                -Eleanor McGovern
                     -Health

Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:47 pm.

        Ehrlichman, Timmons

Bull left at an unknown time before 5:35 pm.
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                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Nov-03)

       1972 campaign practices
           -Demonstrators
               -Eleanor McGovern
               -Shriver
               -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
               -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                    -Vermont
               -Tricia Nixon Cox
               -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
               -Eleanor McGovern
               -Claudia A. (Taylor)(“Lady Bird”) Johnson
                    -1960 campaign
                        -Texas
                            -Hotel


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       Vietnam negotiations
           -Henry A. Kissinger’s trips
               -Shriver statement
               -North Vietnamese
               -Washington Star editorial cartoon
                   -Le Duc Tho and Kissinger
                        -George S. McGovern-Shriver button
                             -Press reaction

       Past elections
            -Kevin P. Phillips
            -1800 election
                -Thomas Jefferson
                     -John Adams, Federalists
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                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Nov-03)

                         -Foreign policy
                             -Revolutionary War
                                  -British
                         -Alien and Sedition Act

Ehrlichman and Timmons entered at 5:25 pm.

        Congressional relations
           -Adjournment
                -House Resolution [HR] 1
                    -Welfare reform bill
                         -Timing
                -Quorum
                -The President's schedule
                    -Camp David
                         -Speech
                    -Telephone calls
                -HR 1
                    -Possibility of veto
                         -Wallace F. Bennett
                         -John W. Byrnes
                -Water bill
                    -Possibility of veto
                -Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
                -HR 1
                    -Effect on payroll taxes, budget
                    -The President’s recent conversation with Ehrlichman
                    -Tax increases, spending
                    -Civilian contract services
                         -George P. Shultz
                         -Kitchen Police [KP]
                         -George Meany
                -Sine die resolution
                -Water bill
                    -Quorum
                    -Pressure groups
                         -Mayors, governors
                         -Telephone calls, mail
                         -Heavy industry
                              -Pulp companies
                              -House of Represenatives
                -H.R. 1
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                                      Tape Subject Log
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                    -Bennett
                    -Byrnes
                    -Possibility of the President's signing
                         -The President’s instructions
            -Water bill
                -Veto possibility
                    -Legal aspects
                    -Edmund S. Muskie
                    -Gerald R. Ford
                    -Leslie C. Arends
                    -Howard H. Baker, Jr.
                    -Peter H. Dominick
                    -HR 1
                    -Colson’s view
                -Discretionary funding
                -Tax increase possibility
                -Post water projects
                    -1960-67
            -Vetoes
                -Senior citizens
                -George S. McGovern
                -Labor support
                    -Civilian contract services
                         -Non-union work
            -HR 1
                -Wilbur D. Mills
                    -Byrnes
                    -Welfare reform
                         -Type IV
                -Byrnes
                -Bennett
                -Adjournment

Haldeman, Colson, and Timmons left at 5:36 pm.

        Washington, DC jail takeover by inmates
           -Walter E. Washington
               -Possible statement
           -Judge [Albert C. Bryant]
               -Class action suit from prisoners
               -Corrections Department head [Kenneth L. Hardy]
                    -Decision on punishment
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                              Tape Subject Log
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        -Shirley Chisholm
Frank Tummillo
    -Meeting with the President, February 1972
    -Murder
        -Thomas J. Devine
            -Injuries
        -Age

Washington, DC jail
   -Administration
       -Possible administration action
            -Timing
                -1972 election
                    -[Washington]
                         -Hardy
       -Guards
       -Compared to White House in 1969

Prison reform
    -Expense
    -Need for positive action
    -The President's schedule
         -Prison visit
    -Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr. program
         -Williamsburg
    -Prisoners
         -Blacks
         -Age
    -San Quentin
         -The President’s trip as Senatorial candidate
         -Future
    -Prison farms in California
         -San Clemente
    -Federal prisons
    -Washington, DC prisoners
         -Federal system
              -Krogh
              -Lorton
         -Washington Post
              -Watergate
         -Washington Star story
              -Garnett D. (“Jack”) Horner
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                          -Williamsburg
                          -Domestic Council
                          -Justice Department
                          -Bureau of Prisons
                          -Krogh
                               -Upcoming conversation with Ehrlichman

Ehrlichman left at 5:43 pm.