On October 17, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, John B. Connally, John N. Mitchell, Clark MacGregor, and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:02 pm and 6:24 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 802-001 of the White House Tapes.
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We're talking about answering this stuff.
It gives Earth a chance to answer if you want to.
Sir, it's a very funny list of counterattacks.
Very good.
I'm talking about a counterattack.
If I go in the end, Bob, that the other day he counterattacked.
He purposely kept it low.
Now we know where we are.
How'd you do it this time, going back to your hotel room?
How are you, sir?
How'd you get along with your friends in the president's district?
Very nice, Bob.
Good.
Good job.
Good job.
Good job.
If it's that, we're going to .
We just talked to John.
Let me say how many he's told me.
It is the best political television ever done in America.
And it will be a classic.
No, I am not overstating that.
I am overstating other people.
I call that historic.
This, believe me, is the best political television ever done.
John, believe me, I've seen the difference.
It is a masterpiece.
Masterpiece.
If we could get it all in prime time, all three networks at one time, we'd get 80% of the world in action.
That's a good show.
Well, because it's all foreign policy, national defense issues.
It doesn't cut anything else.
or any other domestic issues, while he will devastate anybody, after seeing that, who has any level of intelligence above about 87 IQ.
He's going to have one hell of a time deciding to vote.
Yeah.
He's going to have one hell of a time.
Regardless of his political party, hell of a job.
They work together.
Perfect.
Excellent job.
It is beautifully spread.
It is beautifully produced.
And it's beautifully delivered.
It's a hell of a job.
It's an incredible job.
That's true.
It's a good job.
You do a hell of a job making the beds.
How many hours did it take you to cut that?
We got there at 9 o'clock.
At night?
Yes, sir.
We got there at 1.30 in the morning.
Yeah, it was worth it.
It was worth it.
I haven't seen the five minutes.
Well, five minutes on defense is even more powerful than 30 minutes on defense.
What about the five minutes the president's doing?
The five minutes the president's doing?
Five minutes the president's doing?
Does it bring in the other presidents?
Does it bring in the other presidents?
Does it bring in the other presidents?
Does it bring in the other presidents?
I gather it's not going to be shown in competition with the World Series.
We hope not.
No, no, no.
Okay, that's right.
It doesn't stop raining out there.
Well, if they have problems, they're going to play the games.
They're going to have to put on games.
They're going to play the Friday games.
Well, they will, yes, but it's not a night game.
Right, not a night game, because they will not give up their television on Saturday and Sunday, and they've got to give them the three games that they're going to watch.
I thought Friday was going to be a night game, but they didn't play it.
After that game, it's already going to be a night game.
Well, that doesn't matter whether it rains or not.
If it rains two nights, well, they can't play the number three, the number 12.
Yeah, they can't play the number three on the 30th, and they're not going to have to.
I don't think so.
And one of the things that's happened up to this point is that the government has been talking about our issues.
And he talks about Vietnam.
That's our issue.
And he talks about the ethnicity.
That's our issue, you see.
And the more we there, that's a hell of a lot better than having them out there hitting us on taxes, on the rich.
And the other thing is, do you realize
I have decided instead of the government, I think it's a mistake for us to now float out that tax plan because we're not going to be able to do so.
Is that a decision that we drop the tax rate?
Well, we're dropping it for now.
And I really think we've got to, if we decide it now, we drop it, period.
Because why invite a controversy and say that we're using tax rate for the elderly as a political gimmick?
I don't think we want to do it.
I agree.
I thought your tax speech on the radio was .
And I thought that's all you were going to say.
We talked about it yesterday.
They haven't made the issue of talent reform.
It's a good one.
McGovern is going on Friday night.
On taxes?
On a half-hour television and 10 o'clock on taxes.
Well, basically, the story now is taxes.
I think we'll let him go on taxes and just let it lie there.
What do you think?
I don't think there's, but why don't you respond to it or just build it up?
Okay, then we'll go, then we'll go to the other radio Saturday.
Yeah, do no journalism Thursday.
Journalism Saturday, Thursday, I'll go to New York.
I'll think about the box.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't know what you're talking about.
You'd have to, because it's snow, too.
Yeah.
Unless they're... What are we doing now?
We've got everything out there.
We're all in search.
I call most cars and the whole business up.
But it's an awful lot of territory.
You realize there's a point about this.
These bars and the bars, which they can't have them, but they might.
Or don't find them.
But the other point is this.
Both of them, of course, are on the ballot.
You can't assume they're dead until they're found.
So you can't take them right now.
So they'll be on the ballot and they'll be reelected.
We're kind of having a funeral service for them up there now.
I just came down and said that the speakers on the floor are eulogizing him on speaking about him in the past tense.
Just because the Congress doesn't have anything more important to do.
They have nothing else to do, so they're throwing the time on us.
It's pretty true.
Yeah, it sure is.
Duke and Bob let Sigrid know that I didn't call her.
I had to go.
Oh, did you go?
Yeah, you were in the room when I called her.
She was taking it very well.
She was a great guy.
Yeah, she was a great lady.
I didn't know what I was doing.
He was mean.
He was a little boy.
He pulled a face.
I'll never forget that dinner in your basement.
He took off.
He was out there.
Yeah, he said that.
He didn't know me.
In fact, he was using a government-like language.
He said, I don't recognize you, but you're quite cheap.
He said, I'm quite a racist.
He's one of the toughest sons of .
Yeah.
Oh, and he's mean and tough.
And strong.
If he gets just one pop, he's on the floor.
Mr. President, are you contemplating an education talk on the radio?
We've got one in the mail.
It isn't in any kind of shape yet.
We may not do it.
But if we put it in shape, I think it would be very good.
Yeah.
Well, we're working on it.
What points do you want made on education and equal education?
The record that you had, and here's an opportunity also to work in the Equal Educational Opportunities Act, and the failure of the Senate to follow through with the House, treated with kindness and reasonable dispatch, sent to you in a good start to the vote.
This is a matter that is critically important, and you're going to present it as a fact.
I've already met the next Congress, and that's your reflection.
I hope it will be.
The other thing they're going to do in there is to broke it away.
Give the chance, Mr. President, for the public schools and for the books.
Give me a chance.
I would not hesitate to mention that we are trying to get some medical and life support.
But when you meet a nice guy like Gale Sayers, you've got to remember that we've got to give them something.
And I put in what we've been doing for those black colleges.
Because those colleges have got to survive.
They've got a fascinating phenomenon developing now.
Brown blacks are all being pissed at one another.
Yes, I've heard that.
James Brown was in Telly.
He had a big riot at a record store where they
demanding that they stop stalking his records.
Well, Santa Fe, this is .
He was in here .
He is strange, but he's for you.
I'm sorry.
They're fully cutting his records and his concerts.
And they're doing the same thing down in San Diego.
I told them they were going to catch him.
And that's probably the lock of .
Well, he said he did, because he can afford it.
And I can afford it.
I hope for it.
Yeah, the Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
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The Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
The Browns.
Oh, well, I'm bored.
Mr. President, one of the advantages of your radio talks is that we get the text out to the service.
They're all very coffee things.
They're all very coffee things.
You heard the one.
Yes, sir.
And I may want to cry.
And sadly, not to flatter you at all, because it didn't flatter you.
It's the truth.
There's no question what you have, the best radio voice of any person.
Oh, I see.
You know, I was thinking about it last night.
There's no question I was listening to it.
And you ought to use it to read it.
I can do this part of that.
I think of FDR doing those fireside chats.
The enormous effect they had.
I remember his voice was fantastic.
But the effect that it had.
And I thought, gee, that was going to happen.
It's no accident.
Television is just awful.
Television is different.
But we're planning at least six more radio talks.
I mean, a total.
We're planning four or five more.
We're going to have one on veterans, for example, for Veterans Day.
We're going to have one on basically the philosophy
paternalism versus the free society, which is a high level, and that's this weekend, Saturday.
I think the education one appeals to John.
If you could put one together, so that we can make those other points.
We need to make one for next Wednesday.
We need to work into the education.
I'd like this next Wednesday, if you could.
I'd like it for Wednesday, John, if you could, because I don't have anything Wednesday.
We're missing this Wednesday, and if we don't visit one of you, we're going to run out of time.
Although the last week, I could do one virtually every day.
There is a draft, indeed.
We'll see.
Go ahead, John.
You're going to put in a little of that vision for the future, based on the education.
There'll be quite a lot of speech on it.
Will there be one total speech, the last one?
on Sunday, it's also going to be about what are we, where do we go with these?
Where do we go with the economy?
Where do we go with this?
It takes you out of the statistics business for a bit.
The thing is, when you just get a journalist on a Saturday, he does that too.
In fact, it's a hell of a good steal.
The one thing about, if you don't just parrot too much,
The trouble with the ATW drafts, or domestic counsel, is they tend to naturally be just blockers.
And I covered that quickly.
I said, we are proud of our record, but here's where we're going to go in the future.
Let's use the term in development education, ceiling and under.
I used that with Gail Sayers today.
Ceiling and under.
That means for jobs, for business, and education transfer every year.
The floor, yes.
The ceiling, no.
But you think we should use it, then, John?
You used to use green.
I was right.
You like that, but it makes no sense.
I decided not to go over it.
Sometimes I eat fat.
Yeah, 15's not too long.
You reached, that crime reached 4.3.
You know, you think you're not getting any.
Yeah, I'll tell you, you are getting a lot of speed now.
And then you get replayed on this.
You know, it's been interesting.
You're on the nervous, nervous side of it and stuff.
And that's the...
Do you like the type of killer?
I use deliberately a very low key.
It isn't a hot killer.
No, I think it's good.
I think it's the right way.
I can make it far bigger.
It wasn't central to what you said.
I think you deliberately operate in action.
Just action.
Mr. President, I like the idea of one a day in the last week or ten days of the campaign, particularly if the decision remains that you will not be
It won't be every day that we're going to be out and about again.
Good, good.
I bet it ain't probably not.
If you're honest, Mr. President, I think in this next year, the extent you can, is it's terribly hard, Mr. President, instead of Mr. Mayor, that one day we're planning it.
We look at it very carefully.
I see no reason not to go forward on Friday.
They can't do anything with regard to Box's death at that time.
Somebody told me this morning.
No, not waiting.
Just the possibility that we may get...
Yeah, there's a real chance that they find it, that that might be burial time.
Not now, the wires are out.
I don't mean quiet on that.
That would be good.
That's great.
John Blount wants me to tell you that he has said, and he's working for Dick Ogilvie that day in Illinois, and he hopes you'll understand.
He is the president of a Delta company.
I've invited all the governors, and one of them has shown us fine.
That's not a big show.
You don't have that right.
When I talked to Peter Rizzo about setting up the thing, he invited us to do it in Philadelphia.
He said, the only thing is, what are you going to do about that motherfucker's shaft?
He said, you're not invited by him.
It's hard to understand what he means.
He said, no, he doesn't.
He doesn't.
He doesn't.
He doesn't.
He doesn't.
He doesn't.
He doesn't.
He doesn't.
He doesn't.
He got to talking about not being, he's much more restrained than he was talking to me, I don't know why.
Anyway, he said, you know, this writer, he says, he's something.
He says, there was a television girl up here at one of our stations.
He named the station.
He says, he hired her on his staff to work on television.
And he says, uh, he went and I said, you know, it's a matter of the nation's banner.
And he says, uh, on the other hand, I'm not so sure.
He says, he sounds to me like a faggot.
Oh, he's something.
We'll do the radio.
We'll do this.
We are going to do, uh, we're going to do the New York regional meeting on Monday.
with a meeting hall, big shots, and a rally.
That would be one of the two rallies in Nassau.
But because they wanted a rally in New York, we just won't give them one.
Either out of the LA, or at least the president, but I guess that's for the tech chair.
Well, at least the way it's laid in the paper is that the president's going to meet with the Republicans.
I don't know why it comes out that way.
It's the same as when the Democrats for Nixon television commercial comes out.
The headline says GOP commercial speech here, et cetera, et cetera.
You know, that says run by the Democrats.
What it is, John, is that it's the same thing that we had before.
The Democrats for Nixon, the committee we reelected, and the national committee are all lumped together.
We put them all on the same line like we did in Georgia.
It was a hell of a thing.
They all ratcheted at all those Republicans.
And they say it's the Republicans.
And all of the labor leaders will be there and give us the button to get some of the votes from the public.
Well, let's get it out.
Let's try to get it out in the public consciousness.
That's why I told Bixby to push it out up there.
It's the meeting of all of our eastern states.
But that all the Democrats, the top leaders,
He said, Friday, my wife, I got to be there.
I got to be there.
She will be the second woman ever to be.
It's very distinguished to love this award.
University of Texas.
That's great.
So I got to be there.
Who was the first to be there?
No, Lindbergh.
Did you see the game?
No, I didn't.
Texas?
No, sir.
I saw it on television.
Texas was a better team except for three points, and then a block, quick kick, and the game just turned into a run.
Oklahoma was quick, but Texas was a hell of a team.
Well, they were obviously playing the hard side because they weren't as smooth.
They weren't as expert in the ball game.
It did awful well for three points.
I thought they were going to win it.
Well, that's what it was.
Their line was, their offensive line was charted out by what Lewis was doing in the commentary.
He said that the first three quarters was beating Oklahoma, and they were going on the ground forward, and they just had that, it was true, I think, that whack.
They didn't make a first down.
Tried a quick kick on the third, not the fifth, on the third down.
Blocked.
Touchdown.
Ten to nothing.
It started to pass.
The other seven go.
Kick off.
They kicked off.
Guy fumbled the kick off.
Oklahoma were covered.
Touchdown.
Flew.
Started to look like a Washington team.
The way they win games, they won't lose money on the other teams.
Mistakes they make.
Mistakes they lose.
They overshadowed your performance.
You heard it very well.
You heard it very well.
Wait for the breaks.
Pray.
Play tough defense.
Play tough defense.
Force errors.
Well, fielding kills you.
Were that a little before your time?
When I was a young parent, that was better.
You do remember that time?
You're right about that.
Are there other developments, of course?
We're having quite a few foreign policy announcements these days.
SALT II will be announced tomorrow.
That's the third week.
That's right.
That'll be $30,000,000.
That's right.
$500,000,000.
That's 200,000,000 more than I thought you were gonna get.
I was on the radio that Saturday.
So you see Clarkson there on Saturday.
Also, this week we're going to have to take some lumps because I've got to veto three or four bills.
So that'll be probably tomorrow, right?
One is today.
One has to be run.
Yeah, one today.
One has to be run.
I think you should know that I have to veto the water bill.
We've looked it all over.
It is mandatory, the spending.
It's $24 billion over three years of the budget.
It would require a tax increase in the event that I sign it.
And I just can't spend $24 billion to try to win an election.
So I have to take the issue.
But it's not going to be that much downside, is it?
There'll be some.
There'll be some.
But basically, the environmentalist types, we want to remember, are not very enthusiastic for us to enter with.
That's correct.
This has turned into pork barrel.
Yeah.
And that guy's got to carry it forward.
They're going to go against you.
Oh, sure.
Because of pure pork barrel.
They want the money for their local cities, yes.
But the other hand, it's a straight-out vote.
Do you want this expensive water bill or ours, which is less expensive?
And the tax is pretty simple.
The thing we're running into, of course, is this, as Jerry called me a second ago, the tears running down his cheeks, the President's co-assigns and all that.
What there is in there is a retroactive provision.
Nearly a billion dollars goes back to cover outlays by municipalities in the years 56 to 62.
And so that's 100 pounds of gold, you see.
And I imagine Grand Rapids is in there fairly heavy.
And he's got mayors and city councilmen and everybody, all the credibility, the credibility of the tax, the no tax speech that I made.
We'll be totally destroyed if I sign a bill that requires mandatory spending $24 billion above the budget.
I've heard all the arguments, and I know it.
It'd be easier to sign it for us, but what are you going to do if you're one of the other?
If I sign this bill, there's going to be a tax increase.
There's no way to deal with it.
Well, that case is made.
You're arguing about it.
No question we're just going down.
No question.
So, Mr. President, we have to deal with what you'll be talking about.
The Congress will sustain you to veto.
You will fight in January for you to build it.
Do you recommend it?
That's right.
That's it.
What is the situation?
Is the Congress going to be here to override or not?
Looks like it.
How smooth or is it going to be?
Well, it's very tenuous.
Very tenuous.
They'll try.
But there are over 320 members up there.
So we've got every Republican out of town.
They'd still be very close to it for you.
And some of these were probably to O'Malley.
Now, for O'Malley, he's got the on-rack around that bit.
So he doesn't approve of this at all.
And he'll press, well, we'll just have to take the override.
If you take for example a real problem that Helms in North Carolina has gotten, he's not for what I stand for.
That's the problem with Scott Jr.
He's not for what I stand for.
And your case is their opposition has moved between them.
Yeah, that's right.
And basically, what can they do about that?
I can't help Helms, and I can't help Helms.
Helms is just, he's against everything I stand for.
Except for the flag, he's for the flag.
And Scott's for the flag.
But Scott doesn't move.
And they'll say that they won't realize that there's a lot going on now.
They would understand.
We have no idea what we have on that.
The police will tell us today that they're already traveling from Paris to Saigon.
That's right.
We'll be there in two or three days.
We'll just continue as we have our way.
Secondly, to some extent, it might help you in the Congress after the election.
It might help you in the morale of your own troops after the election.
The fact that you were there.
The fact that you were there, that you didn't take it for granted, that you did something different.
But maybe that's not a bad idea.
I will say that on the second point, I don't think it will help much.
To the people that have supported us the least, the Congress, those that I hope the most.
John Hersey was in 1966, and I was on a campaign in Illinois for three days for him.
And he never voted for this one.
What?
Saxby.
Saxby, and I campaigned for him.
I mean, what I meant is, there's no loyalty here.
Loyalty is run basically by...
Well, I think John's got a very good point about which we haven't realized.
I mean, we haven't.
I mean, some of them haven't realized either.
That an assault on us wasn't going to go a damn thing in terms of activity.
That's fine.
That means no question.
Now, the revenue sharing does, because I'm doing it.
But unless I do the announcement, Christ saw the European security and the rest of them say, well...
Well, because you're going somewhere.
Oddly enough, that will tend to make some difference.
Well, no, I didn't.
But what I meant was the signing, the signing of the treaty room of that prison was that real activity.
Yes, it was very presidential.
And while I'm looking over to the POW to watch yesterday, this is great.
There's another aspect for this that you can do in town.
You can't do that in the road.
The POW thing proved that we can, I think, that we can dominate.
the news when you're doing something out of the order.
Out of the order.
If we just sit here, they're going to dominate the news.
I mean, that's going to be their issue, and it's going to be negative.
And we're asking for it.
You don't have any of the trucking problems out of the order.
You don't.
In any airport, you will not dominate the news.
But if you do, you will dominate it in a way that you will throw up when you watch it.
You take the DOW wives thing, you can cover the whole issue of Vietnam in eight minutes.
That's better than 30.
That's correct.
The other thing you can do, if you go to eight places, you can drop eight different substantive statements, right?
Now that's not bad.
That's right.
That's the whole point.
That's the point.
I think John has got a good point.
You see, you take John along.
You drop the substantive statement.
You say, I'm going to drop the statement on the fire end.
Well, all right, seriously, a written statement on why the water bill dropped in will do more good than
The staff have gotten everything you could get.
I mean, of course, you also just
brush over things you've said previously.
You've got some new rhetoric and that sort of thing.
It wouldn't repeat the crime or practice.
Sure.
It's got to keep navigating it, because it hasn't got through yet.
That's right.
I mean, it's got through more.
And you've got to get a set of statistics.
In fact, if you decide today you want to do this, we'll have you ready by Monday morning.
And you can run all week pre-packaged.
It isn't that hard to do.
You might get your estates in terms of that.
That'd be easy.
Ready?
Yeah.
Monday morning.
Monday morning.
Monday morning.
Monday morning.
Monday morning.
Monday morning.
Monday morning.
Monday morning.
Monday morning.
Monday morning.
Monday morning.
Monday morning.
Well, see, that's right.
Don't count on the research team, right?
I think the restatement of your tax position, your position on taxes is spending anywhere in the country.
It's important, Mr. President.
If you can do that, it should be terrible.
I remind people over and over again, Mr. President, of the benefits that flow to the Florida income people from the tax relief and tax reform.
And I look at the audiences, and they're looking at me as if I'm telling them something that I'm not telling them.
They do not vote.
They do not vote.
That's right, and then just to considerably, just say, underplay it, just say, I've tried during this first term to bring peace to this world.
I'm sorry I haven't done it all, but we've got all but 29,000 or 30,000 men now.
out of Southeast Asia.
I brought home half of it.
I have been to China, and I have been to Moscow.
I don't want to give you the question of whether we're close.
I wish we were already there, but we're not.
We're close, very close.
But I'm proud of what we've done, and we're going to do more this next term.
And that's all I'm saying about the report.
two or three quick sanitization and a half and we're going to be working.
That's why I've got to continue to get it down lower.
When I came in, we had not stopped the rise in crime, but we've got to make it safer.
We've got the narcotics in, we've got to game on the problem, but we've got to be better to save the life of any child like that out here.
And you say, but there are 83 million people just like you across this country.
Today, that's the most ever in history.
You're making the highest wages, you're spending more money, but you're saving more money than ever before.
What you're saying is we're still hiding in the White House for a concept.
if he's on television on this desk here.
Unless he's .
We've pulled the question on the hiding in the White House.
And that's the majority of the people who are going to say, hide in the White House.
They don't buy the hiding in the White House.
I know that.
But you're coming through to a different period.
I think that John's quite well taken, too.
Your last two weeks about when there is no, when there is, when the Congress is gone, they're going to say, why the hell can't he do something?
You don't know whether the Congress is here or not.
Well, what the hell do you say?
You don't have to say.
You say you're signing the bills you've got.
It's the 17th.
You've got all through next week to sign bills.
Sign three bills.
Not on that part.
Not on the part that we're going to do the tough ones, the ones that matter this week.
Three or four.
Well, basically, it's never felt this way before.
I know this meeting now.
And I mean, I think, for example, John, you know, they talk about, of course, I have been in 50 states, hasn't been a god, and I loved it.
I mean, I loved it, and the people there loved it when I came, and so forth and so on.
But what really changes the country is sitting there behind that damn desk on May 8th, talking about a very important issue.
That changed 10 million voters.
It's done.
Over.
I think that both of you are for sure keeping the people going over the years that all the time.
And I will admit that all of that mistakes.
And another reason I'm going to look, too, there's something about it that's important.
The president has the responsibility.
We never use this term.
But he's not only head of government.
He's head of state.
And people he was a very reserved man, a very shy man.
But he was a man, as you said, who had to go out and take his people back from time to time.
And he waved across.
And as I do, he didn't like it, but he was kind and gentle and the rest.
And the point was, he would go to the provinces.
And the reason is, he said that the
The people have to see the leader.
They have to feel the leader.
And from time to time they go out.
He didn't do it very often.
Now my view about going out into the country is really that I just think it's good when we ride through, as we did, the streets of Savannah and 30,000 blacks are out there.
It's great for them to see the President of the United States.
You say it doesn't matter.
It matters that they see it.
And it's good to go out and farm in North Dakota and have a local paper reach you with an editorial saying your farm worker doesn't work a damn.
Farmers are unhappy.
Now they're happier in class.
But nevertheless, it's good to see it.
That's certainly what we've done.
We haven't gotten the credit for it, may I say, because we don't have a front of the press.
I would say that if you were asked, the average person in the country, how many states the president visits in the present, they'd say five.
But you have people in eight states that the president's been there.
Well, for example, speaking of such visits, the visit I made to Mississippi during the hurricane, when Eastland was in here, when old Bill Calvert came in,
They brought the big kids in there, I said, wasn't it great when we came from Mississippi?
Sure, I can remember those thousands and thousands and thousands of people who wanted that birth center.
They think Mitch is a racist.
But I understand.
I'd like to do it.
I think the people have got that.
Also, I'd like to feel the state pride, city pride, county pride.
I'd like to be for my city, for my school, and my college, and my state, and my country.
I'm for that, and that has a lot to do with this.
You see, a lot of this reason to go out, and this is argued on the other side, if it weren't for the son of a bitch in television, which I think could hurt, I just think it's good to go because of the fact that it's just good for the country to feel that whoever was president of the country cares a hell of a lot about him.
That's part of the argument for it.
You can't put it in words.
It has nothing to do with the campaign.
It isn't going to affect the poll one damn bit.
We're all workers.
Yes, maybe some.
I agree.
Although we could cover that other ways.
We could send them wires.
We could send them blankets.
We could all have a lot of money.
sitting around in a room.
They're very experienced to do that, but sometimes maybe workers just have to see the man out there talking to folks.
Mr. President, this is what ties people to you.
You've got four years of administering this government.
How well do you do is going to depend on the amount of continuing support you have in this government.
And the vote is among people.
Among people.
Right.
Now, you can be a senator or a hero and get elected.
No question about that.
So I don't have to go anywhere with it.
But for you, the only state that you have to do that television is a very fragile state.
And a wrong expression or a wrong way of thinking can kill you.
But when you go out to see the people, and they feel like they know you, and they've touched you, you've been there, and they say, God, he was here, I remember him.
They can't take it out on you.
There's another thing, too, that I have found.
It's a different thing.
Another thing that's very good to go to the country when you're in office, is that when you're going to, for instance, are you, as the new term, ambassador,
I should not say this, but he said, when I'm in the country, in the west coast of Texas, he said, I see a different America than I read about in Washington.
And he's just very refreshing.
You see, when you get through, when we were, for example, going through the Cambodian business and so forth, you sit here in Washington, the whole goddamn country's against you.
You go out into the country, and you find most of the folks are for you.
You've got to let those folks be.
You see, this is an incestuous, unhealthy, damned city.
Terrible, in that respect.
They have bad people.
It's just, it's like, and that's not in many capital cities, but this one in Washington is not the only one.
That's why, that's why Mr. Goldstreet, without parents, of course, he was a provincial himself.
But you have to get on to see them.
I realize that.
And they've got to see something.
But, well, take a look at this in the meantime.
When you go, you go not as a challenger, not as a campaigner.
No.
You go as a president to the people.
And you're still a president.
You're not even signing bills.
I signed this.
You're still a president.
That's an old way to go.
You know, I can't wait to get you recovered.
You notice I talk like this in Atlanta.
Oh, is this America?
Directed not to the South.
Oh, this other guy's got a point.
But this is what a little girl gave to me.
She says, thanks for bringing the South back to America again.
That's what I like.
Everybody's been missing out on the South for so long.
Or condescending.
Thank you very much.
The great southern strategy, whatever he tried.
Yeah, I remember, after the 70 elections, that so many people were right because of the election of Jimmy Carter and some of the other libs.
And that walk of law.
Anyway, they said the southern strategy was stable because the new south was going to be not going to accept it.
Well, they were wrong.
I'm so sorry.
Good night, guys.
I'm sorry I took you long.