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Mr. Cranston, pardon me, sir.

You don't?

I don't know.

Well, I'll have you in the cab, please.

Good morning, ma'am.

How are you?

Good morning, sir.

You look good.

Mr. Foremaster, you come over here, please.

Good morning, sir.

Put you right in this chair.

Thank you.

Mr.

Ambassador, you sit there, please.

You're welcome.

After you leave, we'll see you then.

All right, let's do this.

Sorry, I can't see.

Oops, I guess they want a picture.

Thank you.

That's what I love.

All right.

I am indeed very honored and very grateful to you for having the time to meet me.

It must not be a very busy time of the year for you.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

I wish I could have come early to Washington immediately after I was sent to Peking, but since I had to attend the ministerial meeting on trade, I feel that Washington has been delayed.

But I'd like first to thank you, appreciate you for the very thoughtful welcome extended to the Prime Minister Tanaka and his party in Hawaii.

In Peking,

As to the general design and substance of the results of the meetings in the cane, I think we have informed you already.

I want to say

If the government makes a serious announcement on the 100th day, we will carry out a strategic negotiation.

I would like to say that I am very grateful to the government for making this decision.

Do you like to go to the bar?

This is very fun.

Do you like to go to the bar?

I believe that we owe the success of African Civilization to two factors.

That is, first, the understanding shared by your country to our organization, and secondly, the fact that the trail has been laid by the Presidents, by your President, to begin early this year.

and I'd like to thank you for.

And these two factors that I mentioned, you're understanding that you're blessed with the King

Prime Minister Tanaka to come to a decision, and I would like to thank you for this opportunity.

I would like to thank Prime Minister Tanaka to come to a decision, and I would like to thank you for this opportunity.

Mr. Marshall Lee has said that the reconciliation between Japan and China has been brought about not

because of the U.S.-Japan security treaty, not in spite of the Japan security, but because of the Japan security treaty.

And I share this view, express my sympathy.

They didn't ask you to give up?

Not at all.

That's a very significant shift.

That's what I talked to them about.

I was categorical on that point that it would not be in the interest of peace in the Pacific or any other interest for the United States to abrogate its security.

And now they did not ask you to do anything.

I don't know if you remember, but when I was in China, I was told that it would be difficult for us to achieve peace in the Pacific.

I emphasized that it would be difficult for us to achieve peace in the Pacific.

As the director said, the Sino-Japanese Treaty is a two-way issue, and Japan needs the Sino-Japanese Treaty.

We don't want to be dissatisfied with the Sino-Japanese Treaty, and we don't want to be involved in the issue.

Well, we said that this Japan security treaty is a matter between Japan and the United States, and they did show their understanding to this point.

They did understand quite well that Japan needs

Security Treaty, and they also said that those earlier were dissatisfied in some respects about the Security Treaty.

They were not on that occasion prepared, but since this is a matter between Japan and the United States,

And thanks to this realistic attitude taken by the Chinese side, well, this realistic attitude taken by the Chinese side helped us very clearly in this session.

Well, so the argumentation is that we've been successful and we've been able to put an end to this problem which has been hanging for quite a number of years, but it's only that we've been able to

to establish diplomatic relations with the king and to have a real problem saving us now, a real problem to attack from now on.

What do you mean by that?

And it is our intention to grapple in a very sincere manner with the problems existing between Japan and China on the basis of

a full realization of what we should do and what we should not do for the purpose of bringing about peace to Asia.

It's a great pleasure to meet you.

It's a pleasure to meet you.

First, I have already been to Australia and New Zealand where I have explained this reconciliation challenge, doing the same here, and I will be doing the same in the Soviet Union.

And as far as Korea and other Southeast Asian countries are concerned, we have this special eminence to explain the same challenge.

No, they don't.

I don't know why.

The government is showing us that we can do it.

But the government is worried about us.

We are worried about our safety.

Well, the reaction to other countries is that, in general, they have shown understanding to us.

But some of the countries seem to have some anxiety, some degree of anxiety.

And we believe that it is our part to try to eliminate that sort of anxiety from some of our friends.

We are happy that as far as

As far as Taiwan is concerned, likely things are quite difficult, and we haven't noticed, unfortunately, an incident.

So we are quite happy about it.

At the same time, I had a cold.

I had a cold.

We are now making preparations to establish a contact point in Taiwan, a non-governmental contact point in Taiwan.

At the same time,

carrying on aviation and shooting as before, and on the question of terrorists, although our diplomatic relations have disappeared, we have come to maintain the same preference towards terrorists as before.

We will continue to work together with Japan to improve Japan's economy.

I have informed the U.S. government in advance that the U.S. government will come to North Korea.

We will follow Japan's request.

And when this contact point starts functioning, we will be closing down our embassy and consulate staff.

And we have informed Beijing in advance of all this, but we have had no negative reaction from it yet.

I think they have, which probably shows the understanding

That is the brief report that I had to make to you on Tuesday.

Thank you.

I'd like you to take the floor in front of you, please.

I also started to listen to the big news in Los Angeles.

At that time, I was a member of the Hawaii Council, and I was a member of the Council of the United States of America.

At that time, I could not say such information at all.

Therefore, I would like to take the opportunity to answer you.

Going back, I was quite surprised to learn this news when I arrived in Los Angeles.

Well, I was in Korea immediately after meeting in Hawaii for the Japan-Korea ministerial talks, and there was no sign that anything like this would be the opposite when I was there.

Well, I'm afraid that I really have

He did not have enough knowledge or background to make any accurate or appropriate assessments on this.

I know that when the President indicated that one of the reasons he had to do this was that the uncertainty of the international diplomatic moves, I assume he was referring to the United States being with the King and the Japanese being

It's hard for me to concede that that could affect Korea in a way that was detrimental.

It is said that the movement of the outside world has caused a lot of dissatisfaction.

Well, for example, the Korean Prime Minister has said that the U.S. is a nuclear powerhouse, and that the U.S. is a nuclear powerhouse, and that the U.S. is a nuclear powerhouse, and that the U.S. is a nuclear powerhouse, and that the U.S. is a nuclear powerhouse, and that the U.S. is a nuclear powerhouse, and that the U.S. is a nuclear powerhouse, and that the U.S. is a nuclear powerhouse, and that the U.S. is a nuclear powerhouse, and that the U.S. is a nuclear powerhouse,

Well, I shared with him here that he was supposed to

When our special envoy, Mr. Kimura, who is a former minister of state, went to Syria to explain on the question of reconciliation between China and Africa, they did show some understanding of our position.

They only, well, they did accept and doubt that Japan might be hastily trying to expand

It's very important.

who keeps the ROK in as stable a condition as possible.

And while we, of course, welcome the contacts that they make with the North Koreans, we must never, we on our part, do not want to give the South Koreans

and any reason to feel that we deserve that.

Because that, and that's if it could blow up again, and of course that would affect Japan as well as us.

Of course, we welcome the contact between South Korea and North Korea, but I don't think it's a good thing that we are abandoning South Korea.

I know that the Foreign Minister, given his long experience in international affairs, will agree with this observation.

We usually have our eyes only on the big names.

the Japanese new relationship with the PRC, the U.S. new relationship with the PRC, the Japanese meeting with the Soviet, the new developments in Europe, the big time countries.

But wars so long come out of failing to handle problems like Korea and Vietnam adequately.

And I would hope that we could keep the closest touch

to try to cool that situation, to reassure the South Koreans so that it doesn't explode again.

Mr. President, you have a very good international experience.

I think you will continue to do your best in the future.

I think we have a tendency to only pay attention to the cause.

For example, the current situation is that Japan has a new relationship with Japan, or the whole country has a new relationship with Japan.

There is also a tendency to make a lot of money.

There is also a tendency to make money.

There is a tendency for us to put it in a small place, and in places like Vietnam or Korea, there is a tendency for us to put it in a small place, and in places like Vietnam or Korea,

Therefore, it is important to continue the relations between Korea and the United States.

It is also important to make sure that the Korean government's expectations are met.

It is important to make sure that the Korean government's expectations are met.

will gradually become more and more accurate.

In addition, it will be able to control the movement of the movement of the movement of the movement of the movement of the movement of the movement of the movement of the movement of the movement of

I have been working on it for a long time, so I think that this time, I will try to make it possible for the foundation to be used in this way.

I think it's a very positive approach.

Now, as you can see, there's a lot of work to be done.

There's a lot of work to be done.

In Korea, the third financial plan, which started this year, seems to be steady on its way, and very, very, very, energetically pursuing this program of rural development.

Both the government and the people of the Republic of Korea are beginning to forget that when this plan period ends,

they will be able to play in Korea on the basis of self-sustained performance.

And I think we can say that domestic politics in Korea is going to be on a steady track.

And from that point of view, I have the impression that the nations

very recent measures that they have taken, may have a positive significance in that they may be designed to play a career on a firm financial or technological basis.

And as the

As you correctly pointed out, Mr. President, I think we should take every care, not only about the big games, but also about the small games, and we might understand the importance of this sort of piece, and I believe that Japan should take every care about the small games.

I had a good meeting with your colleague, sir,

I liked him when he was here.

And we discussed again the importance of the great American powers, the European community, including the British, Japan, and the United States to have, and Canada, of course, to have the closest consultation

the development of a more stable international monetary system, and also the development of programs to reduce barriers of trade.

I think we consider it, as I told the Prime Minister when we met in Hawaii, we consider it very important that Japan

and for that matter the United States, not be cut out of the great developments in Europe.

It would be very detrimental because of more trade and better relations.

If the new European community becomes a block and Japan confronts it and the United States confronts it,

The time to avoid that happening is to have multiple discussions where we all participate as equals, Japan, the U.S., and the European countries.

What we talked about is that Japan, the United States, Canada, and the United States, including the United Kingdom and the United Kingdom, will keep in touch with each other as closely as possible, and we will continue to work together to create a more stable international system.

and to reduce the impact of the pandemic on the economy.

As I said in Hawaii, the U.S., and of course, Japan, will also take part in the U.S. election this year.

As a result of the development of the United States,

It is a result that will not be blocked by Japan or the United States.

I would like to emphasize it here.

As for us, I think it is necessary to establish a more expanded trade relationship and a better relationship.

If the U.S. and Japan have to deal with this in their own independent ways, I don't think we can do that.

If you want to prevent that, you have to do it now.

Japan, America, and of course, the United States and the United States of America are the best in terms of their position.

They are the best in terms of their decision-making.

Mr. Watanabe, I have a question for you.

I have a question for you.

This morning, on September 9th,

It's the same as before, but it's the same as before.

Well, I entirely share your view, and in the middle of September, when Prime Minister Hii visited Tokyo, the two prime ministers, that is Prime Minister Hii and Prime Minister Tanaka, came to Japan along the same lines, and there is a change in Japan's conviction on that.

Ah, there's one...

For the first time, my evaluation is that the North Vietnamese are negotiating seriously.

Dr. Chester, as you know, has had 20 meetings with him in Paris.

But while there was a great deal of talk, there was really no serious negotiation in my view until the last meeting in which General Haig participated.

There are still major differences.

This is not simply a two-party negotiation.

It's one that involves the three parties.

And that is why Dr. Kissinger now, along with General Abrams and Ambassador Bunker are talking today with President Chu so that he is fully aware of and participates in the negotiation.

Well, there is a significant amount of money.

And this negotiation is not just between the two of us, but between the three of us.

That's why I would like to talk to the President of the United States, Secretary of State of the United States, Secretary of State of the United States, Secretary of State of the United States, Secretary of State of the United States, Secretary of State of the United States, Secretary of State of the United States, Secretary of State of the United States,

There's one point that I think is really important to be answered, and we should do it.

We would like to convey this to the Prime Minister, too.

There's been a lot of speculation that with the election three weeks ago that the United States would make decisions in these negotiations because of our desire to have a settlement before the election.

That is a

That is totally untrue.

The situation is all again different in 1968.

Then, a bombing halt did have a positive effect in building up Mr. Humphrey and his race in the presidency.

Today, Vietnam is not a Navy issue for us.

Consequently, I directed Dr. Chesterton

In all these negotiations, we must not make the election call.

Do what is right.

If we can make the right kind of a deal now, I mean, and if not, do what is left of the election, which we think is the sound way to approach this.

In that connection, too, that means that there will be no bombing halt before the election, unless there is some.

And there will be no pressures on our negotiators to make a bad summit now because of the election campaign.

This is our position.

Thank you.

I don't have a single complaint.

The current state of affairs is that of the 18th National Assembly of Japan.

In the 18th year, of course, there was a dramatic impact on the Japanese government, but the current state of affairs does not have such a significant impact.

As a matter of fact, I want the Kintoku and Osaka prefectures to take this election seriously.

I want them to do the right thing.

If at this stage we are able to have a fair discussion, of course we can do that.

But if we can't do that now, even if the election is over,

Therefore, I think this is a very healthy attitude.

In this regard, I would like to say that as long as there is no immediate solution to the election and there is no immediate solution to the election, there is no need to stop the coup.

Also, a requirement, the importance you should know, a requirement you should know that any speculation to be effective, we will agree,

with the other side to impose a coalition government on South Vietnam, it's totally false.

We would never agree to that.

Mr. Secretary General, I would also like to point this out.

The U.S. has no basis for any kind of agreement with the South China Sea.

We want peace, but it must be peaceful, and peace with honor means that the people of South Vietnam must not have the control of the government against their will.

I would like to ask you, how did you come to the conclusion that you were going to do this?

I would say finally, however, that final predictions can be made that there comes a time when a war should come to an end.

Of course, the time when it should come to an end has never started.

In any event, we feel that this is the time that the war should end on an honorable basis for most of us.

We have some reason to believe that the other side now shares that view.

We still are far apart in some critical areas.

But we are making extraordinary efforts to negotiate seriously, hoping to end the war.

And if the other side continues to negotiate in a serious way, there's a chance, not a certainty, but a chance that it can be brought to an end at a reasonable time.

But the election is not the key message.

That's what they must be understood.

They do not know, do not understand.

For me, I believe that everything has to end.

Everything has to end.

There is a time.

If we don't do it, it's fine, but once the war is over, there will be a crisis.

And at this stage, we feel that this war is over and the crisis has arrived.

Of course, for both sides of the three wars, we have to end this war in a favorable way.

At this stage, even if we are on the other side, there is still a lot of evidence that we have something in common with our allies.

It seems that there is still a lot of work to be done in a very important field, but we will do our best to work hard and negotiate seriously.

We have hope that this war will not end.

And if the other party continues to negotiate with the new sword, the war will end.

It's not certain, but I think there's a chance.

There is no guarantee that the war will end.

I don't think so either.

But I think there is a chance that this war will end within the time that it will end.

Please talk about that time.

I will continue to support Moscow.

Recently, during the Meiji era, there has been an expansion of the Kyōzū-bō, which has led to the creation of the Tōshō-kyōte.

There has been an expansion of the Kōshō-bō, which has led to the creation of the Tōshō-kyōte.

I have an impression that in recent days there have been some developments in the relations between the United States and the Soviet Union, for example.

trade, et cetera, et cetera, the areas of common understanding seem to be expanding between the United States and the Soviet Union.

And if you could enlighten me on that, and also if you have any advice to give to me prior to my visit to the Soviet Union.

Well, our relations with the Soviet Union

are very positive on trade, on arms control, and other areas.

But we have some differences.

We have this.

You have the whole countries.

But we are positively discussing these areas of differences, and we're finding many areas in which we agree.

As for us, we are in a very positive state in terms of the current situation.

Of course, there are some drawbacks, but as far as we are concerned, we continue to have a very positive conversation.

As we continue to do so, our opinions will gradually increase.

Now, with regard to advice, I would only observe that the reason the Soviet and the United States developed a relationship and the Soviet became a developing relationship is that on both sides, we have not been sentimental or emotional, but we each have consulted our interests.

And the communist leaders understand that and respect it.

I think that if you go to Japan, I think the Soviet leaders, you will find respect Japan as a great people and an enormously powerful economic force.

And you will be in a good bargaining position

in about a week, and they will be in the bargaining position too, and that is the way to counter them, which of course the foreign minister will allow.

The United States is a country that has a strong relationship with Japan.

The Soviet Union's leaders are interested in Japan.

Japan is a very rich country.

Japan's economy is very good, so they are interested in Japan.

Then Japan will become a superpower.

I hope they will be, for example, fair.

and their discussions with you and their decisions with regards to the Northern Ireland as we were, with regard to our accomplishments, should I doubt?

If my name is not mentioned here, I will not be able to talk about it.

I hope you will not necessarily be able to talk about it.

Well, I'd like to thank you again, very sincerely, both of you.

It's been a busy time for me, and I'd like to convey my very best wishes to both of you.

Well, I wish and I hope you will convey my best wishes to the Prime Minister and to the other ministers that I've met, including Mr. Sato and Mr. Kishi, my old friends from New York City.

They're always welcome here.

I would like to ask Mr. Sato and Mr. Kishi, who have been friends with me for a long time, to help me with this project.

I would like to ask them to help me with this project, because it has nothing to do with my family.

You've had a long, long travel.

Thank you.

I admire these translators.

It's a great gift.

Thank you.

Goodbye.