Conversation: 815-013
Prev: 815-012 Next: 815-014Start Date: Friday, November 24, 1972 3:14 PM
End Date: Friday, November 24, 1972 3:43 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; Sanchez, Manolo; Butterfield, Alexander P.; Flanigan, Peter M.Recording Device: Oval Office
NARA Description:
On November 24, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Manolo Sanchez, Alexander P. Butterfield, and Peter M. Flanigan met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:14 am and 10:43 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 815-013 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 815-13
Date: November 24, 1972
Time: Unknown between 10:14 am and 10:43 am.
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Stephen B. Bull.
The President's schedule
-Meeting with Peter M. Flanigan
Bull left and Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 10:14 am.
-Refreshment
-Coffee
Sanchez left at an unknown time before 10:15 am.
Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 10:15 am.
Item for the President’s signature
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Conversation No. 815-13 (cont’d)
The President's schedule
-Dinner with Alexander M. Haig, Jr. and Barbara E. Haig
-Timing
-Alexander Haig’s schedule
-Vietnam negotiations
-Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
White House
-East Room
-Chairs
-Selection
-Mrs. Nixon
-Seating capacity
-Cabinet Room
The President's schedule
-Meeting with Flanigan
-Cabinet Room
Flanigan entered at 10:19 am.
Purpose of meeting
Butterfield left at 10:20 am.
Ambassadorships
-The President’s conversation with Maurice H. Stans
-1972 campaign
-Contributors list
-Contributors list
-Flanigan's review
-Walter H. Annenberg
-Retention
-W. Clement Stone
-Stone
-Possible conversation with the President
-Stans
-Statement
-John N. (“Jack”) Irwin, II
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Conversation No. 815-13 (cont’d)
-France
-Reasons
-Campaign contributions
-Size
-Qualifications
-Georges J. R. Pompidou
-Arthur K. Watson
-Service
-Contributions
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Public impression
-Campaign contributions
-Behavior
-The President’s view
-John A. Volpe
-Italy
-Annenberg
-Lord Anthony Barber
-Edward R.G. Heath
-[Robert S. Ingersoll’s] performance
-Japan
-Shelby Davis
-Annenberg
-Duration
-Compared to Cabinet positions
-Ingersoll
-The President’s confidence
-Europe
-Contributors list
-Stans
-Forthcoming telephone call from Flanigan
-Recent meetings with Flanigan
-Forthcoming telephone call from Flanigan
-Flanigan’s meeting with the President
-Forthcoming meeting with the President
-Flanigan's review
-Forthcoming meetings
-Bureaucracies
-Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development [OECD]
-Richard M. Helms
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-Iran
-Joseph S. Farland
-Possible appointment
-State Department
-Assistant Secretary
-Loyalty
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[National security]
[Duration: 5s ]
[Subject Intelligence]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
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-Service with Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
-Loyalty
-Background
-Georgetown
-Candidates
-Flanigan’s Review
-Annenberg
-Retention
-Irwin
-France
-Irwin’s work with Valery Giscard D' Estaing
-Irwin’s background
-Under Secretary of State
-The President’s confidence
-Economic knowledge
Second term reorganization
-William J. Casey
-Under Secretary of State for Economic Affairs
-William P. Clements, Jr.
-Deputy Secretary of Defense
-Relationship with Flanigan
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Conversation No. 815-13 (cont’d)
Ambassadorships
-Contributor’s list
-Flanigan’s review
-Stan’s forthcoming meeting with the President
-Kissinger's judgment
-Non-careerists and careerists
-National Security Council [NSC]
-Careerists
-Source
-Flanigan’s forthcoming conversation with Kissinger
-Kissinger's recommendations
-H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
-Instruction
-Conversation with the President
-Flanigan’s recommendations
-Qualifications
-Commissions
-Campaign contributors
-Europe
-Commissions
-European appointees
-Regional conflicts
-Belgium, Netherlands
-France
-Work with finance, trade, prime ministers
Football
-Washington Redskins
-Dallas Cowboys’ recent victory
-The President’s viewing on television [TV]
-Redskins
-Age, speed
-Cohesion
-[Larry Brown]
-Billy Kilmer
-George E. Allen
-New York Giants
-Atlanta Falcons
-Green Bay Packers
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Conversation No. 815-13 (cont’d)
-Allen’s performance
-Team age
-Effect on Washington, DC
Washington, DC
Ambassadorships
-Irwin
-Relationship to Watson
-Jane Watson
-Death
-Support in State Department
-Toughness
-France
-Graham A. Martin
-Italy
-Age
-Plans
-Return to US
-Paper
-Foreign Service Officers [FSO] recommendations
-Removal from State Department
-Toughness
-Paper
-FSOs
-Original structure
-State Department
-Commerce, Treasury, Agriculture, State Departments
Second term reorganization
-State Department
-Commerce attaches
-Commerce Department
-FSOs
-Economic competence
-Social sciences, political philosophy
-Non-careerists
-Business background
-Casey
-FSOs
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Conversation No. 815-13 (cont’d)
-Careerists
-State, Commerce, Treasury, Agriculture Departments
-Legislation
-Executive Order
Ambassadorships
-Martin
-Duration
-Martin J. Hillenbrand
-Assignment to West Germany
-[David] Kenneth Rush
-West Germany
-Adm. Horatio Rivero, Jr.
-Spain
-Defense Department
-Melvin R. Laird
-Hillenbrand
-European Security Conference
-Rivero
-New appointments
-John D. Lodge
-Removal
-Age
-The President’s recent conversation with Stans
-France
-Ireland
-Raymond R. Guest
-William A.M. Burden
-Age
-Flanigan’s forthcoming conversation with Stans
-Ages
-Burden
-Age
-Energy
-Campaign contributions
-Stans
-Canada
-Canada
-Adolph W. Schmidt
-Mellon family
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Conversation No. 815-13 (cont’d)
-Pierree E. Trudeau
-John Turner
-Possible removal
-Europe
-Campaign contributions
-Mellon family
-Pittsburgh
-Paul Mellon
-Stan’s view
-Possible removal
-Timing
-Timing
-Economic expertise
-Italy
-Volpe
-John D. Ehrlichman
-1972 campaign
-Cabinet departure
-Possible performance
-Embassy building
-Martin’s effort
-Garden
-Suites
-Views
-Rome
-Volpe
-Age
-Health
Second term reorganization
-William P. Rogers
-Retention
-Vietnam negotiations
-Kissinger
-Conflicts with Kissinger
-Motives
-Kissinger’s publicity
-Credit
-Departure
-Publicity
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Conversation No. 815-13 (cont’d)
-Press relations
-Support of administration
-Economic problems
-Economy
-Flanigan
-George P. Shultz
-Peter G. Peterson
-Intelligence
-“Sales” ability
-North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] and European Economic Community
[EEC] ambassadorships
-Peterson
-Advantages of combination
-Peterson
-Interest in position
-Confidentiality of idea
-Work with Europeans
-David M. Kennedy
-NATO ambassadorship
-NATO ambassadorship
-Importance
-EEC ambassadorship
-Peterson
-Deputy
-EEC ambassador [Joseph A. Greenwald]
-Work with Europeans
-Stans, Flanigan
-Qualifications
-Creativity
-“Sales” ability
-Europeans
-Ingersoll
Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:20 am.
The President’s schedule
Flanigan’s responsibilities
Flanigan and Bull left at 10:43 am.
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