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Yes, ma'am.

What now is this?

It's good.

I think I understand what the problem is.

I just want to be sure.

What's the purpose of that?

To give him more time.

Well, not really to give him more time.

It was to give him the base of not being kicked out to work from.

He is spending all of his time.

I understand.

No, he's not going to spend five minutes.

I'm trying to close up.

I'm sure two or three different entities looking into it.

Second point, is Herb doing anything about his position?

Yeah.

He's moving around?

Yeah.

Okay.

He is and we are trying to find out about his success.

And Finch has got a pretty good one for him now, which is the Annenberg Library at USC.

Not library, Annenberg School of Journalism at USC, which they're just starting to put together now.

I don't know how much they pay, but $60,000, $70,000, something like that.

Herb, I guess, would like to do something.

He doesn't really want to get out and compete.

I really don't think he does, and I really don't think he should.

He's at a point, and his metabolism is such that he'd be a good man to sort of put a thing like that together.

That makes sense, and it's prestigious, and it's something new, and it's going to be a good thing.

It's not going to be something new for the library, of course.

The next library, yeah, he wouldn't be any good there.

Well, he wouldn't, I don't think he'd want to do that anyway.

He really shouldn't.

And if he does...

I wondered if you had an unrested guard in the appointments that we went over yesterday.

At first, I had this uneasy feeling that I was getting on the whole cabin, the sub-cabin, going for the managers.

and therefore not really building up anybody at all.

Well, Ben will be a good front man in his own way.

Working in that area, what I've had is beyond a separate area.

Maybe a manager and a smart boat.

And a little punch to it.

And I hope that we've gone for the safe.

I mean, the waiver types.

I just, basically, the only decision I made, that I was typically called for, was the net one.

You had those two might be equally good.

One just would sound like a goer, and the other was some guy over here, and they went, well, that's right.

And we can go back to the other, the goer one.

Is the department really all that complicated to run?

Well, the goer can run it anyway.

There's the guy who obviously is capable, so it is done.

He doesn't know the government.

That's the problem with the guys you're going to promote, Simon, is whether they get stoned when they can.

That's kind of a good...

But now you look at Bill Simon, I'll tell you that guy is going to be a suit for the government.

I see two that I think are going to be very good.

I think Simon will be good.

Okay.

We're losers, uh, we're losers right down the line if we can't, if we can't do anything at all.

I mean, because unless we get somebody to replace the line, it's just, it's just good to be in the game.

Watch it start.

Oh, and he brings a different kind of starting, which you have to not manage irritability, but respectability.

Why do you think so?

There would be Flair at AGW in the way you want.

Because they, with Weinberger, with Weinberger and Carl G, in the way you want.

You'd be confident, man.

Do you think of anybody that...

But I thought maybe we could do it a little better.

Maybe the commerce, maybe.

Maybe you ought to pay for it.

You know what I mean?

The guy with the mortar, you know, with the more pizzazz.

Put in a new broom over there, you know, rather than just putting it.

I have a real, I just had a high hunch about it last night.

Which is leading wrong, because it was almost an even-speeded choice anyway, wasn't it?

Yeah, I was thinking for the other guy, John.

I'd like to get the Merritt-type guy in.

What do you expect, then?

John, though, and I'm sure we are, you're sure that the reason he didn't have a prize is probably because he's got three years of government experience.

I haven't been here, though.

We always tend to go back because we're easy to work with and it's comfortable.

But many times, you wouldn't find any new people in your offices.

You wouldn't find any new guys and new stars for Christ's sakes.

I mean, you wouldn't have known that Farrell could do it ten times as well as Don Davies, which are five and a half.

It depends on how you...

I do, because that's, as you know, that's...

My choice always has been to take the wrong material and give them the job.

Everybody thinks we're not spooking Steve Boland to more responses, but I think they're dead wrong.

I think Steve's going to do a better job than Alex does in the things that Alex is dealing with on you and with people.

I think Alex would be superb moving around to run a, you know, a disciplined organization.

Thank you, sir.

But, uh, and I'm bringing a young guy in.

Bringing a young guy in to back up Steve out of the investment group who is, I think, is one hell of a guy.

We'll see what happens.

We're moving the young ones up in here.

Oh, Caroline.

Hey, buddy.

What day?

Terry O'Donnell, that crew that, what smuggler was that?

who runs cars.

So I put in a, I put in a business guy and a guy and put in a man.

The business guy may turn guy.

I haven't met him, so, you know, I'm only looking at him on every evening on a turn.

He'd be in the audience.

And the other one, you never know.

But I think he will.

I think he will.

He's 37 years old.

Well, Chris Bronson.

Bronson's only 35.

Bronson's fine, too.

He'll give you one job at a time.

But he's been...

I really think that we, the only one I think we really moved on, I'm sure, is whatever it was.

I don't, I think we should.

But I, but you're really married.

Somebody had to be more than cheaper.

I thought we had it there for that purpose.

We did.

And we could, we could replace her with that.

Put her on the ranch.

Oh, Christ, let me tell you something, sir.

But we've done some other, we moved Ron Walker in the park service, wasn't it?

High-risk move.

Sure did.

Sure did the animals.

John Wayne Hartsock, he had his own rule.

You could tell right away that Cheryl, he had his own mind.

Absolutely.

So he worked on it.

My God, that's the way to shake them.

As early as anywhere, the Walker thing was a damn good move.

Butterfield, the DFA, would be a damn good move.

You know, raise the question there, you know, why?

Why Butterfield?

Well, hell, he's far more qualified than the guy that's there now.

There's a guy there now on MIT.

Yeah.

A guy we put in, but he's...

He's anywhere near the calendar.

And it's been very successful.

But he's developed his own clock, too.

He hasn't tracked with us.

He's been successful over at the FAA.

Oh yeah, he's leaving.

That's all.

He already was leaving.

That was helping.

And we moved him out of the game.

See, the appearance right now, and this is something that will rhyme for a little while, is that we're moving out our own people.

And the question is, some of our own people have asked, why are we moving out our own appointees?

Well, the reason is that the appointees we have in there, they've been there, a lot of them, for the four years.

That's exactly it.

They came in under the wrong auspices.

They came in in the wrong way.

And you can't convert a guy after he's been in there for two or three years.

So they're, in a sense, holdovers in the same way that the holdover holdovers are.

Some of them aren't.

Some of them are just damn good.

Those guys were moving on.

When we did get some good people, you remember, I want you to look over those surgeons and others that worked there.

Don't overlook the politicians, Bob.

The whole piece of the rest, and see if they get some Jesus behind them.

They could all whine and bitching around as we've done, but whatever they do for Boba, we ought to just shit on him.

So he's no help to us.

He was absolutely no help to us.

None.

He was a dragon, that's all.

Right.

Sure.

A dragon, a dragon's boat.

I mean, he killed some men here who are, you know, sustenance all the time, too.

Well, how is Andrew surviving this morning?

I haven't seen him this morning.

He just hardly came in.

He wasn't here for a second, was he?

I don't know.

I was pretty good, but you, the thing is, the thing that we have remembered is that if you look at the conditions, particularly with people like Harry Reesner and others, you can almost get down the line and say that had we both gotten eased off, they would have been in the wagons anyway.

They are just aiding to get at us, you know what I mean?

One way or the other.

You see, they really were, and they're going to, and they, that's just legitimate.

I mean, it's a hell of a lesson in Henry.

But the basic thing was still the funny thing, though, out of the hole.

What do you think?

Well, if Henry had sat his ass down, that must have been wrong.

Yeah.

There was only one statement that got us in trouble.

Do you realize that?

One statement.

Say it.

Remember?

It really is.

Does anybody want to raise a question about anything else?

No.

Because everything else was very solid.

The argument being broken, and so forth and so on.

Jesus in hand was not a statement.

In fact, it was basically an observation, and therefore a very dangerous political statement which Henry should never make without clearing somebody.

Today's first wave cut in and out.

There are not any planes coming out.

It's usually the second wave here.

Well, they always know it.

They can count on the air force.

They're running them on the minute in the same hours as yesterday.

Still getting down on the air force.

They're going to expect it.

Yes, he had it.

That's the next thing I want to tell you, Heather.

He said Q was absolutely shaken in his room by the letter.

Haig told him, you're personally with us.

Well, no, but Haig was very tough.

He said he wouldn't meet with the National Security Council.

He wouldn't negotiate.

All he has to do is present the letter.

Q is going to see him again tomorrow because the son of a bitch always says yes the first time.

But Haig had the impression that he's going to go along this.

Either way, it's all right.

Yeah.

Just find out.

There's no one firing around anymore.

Chavez was in this morning, and it was actually very interesting.

He said, look, I'm going to oppose the president anyway.

He said, don't play for me.

He said, he's got a mandate.

He got 61%.

He said, don't play to the Senate, play to the House.

He said, take an authentic line early in January.

You know, I don't know what his motive is, but usually he comes in wailing all over the place when things go wrong.

He said, oh, no, when things, when we escalate.

He said, nothing is going to happen in the Congress for three months, and nothing will pass for six months, in his view.

And he said, if you take an offensive line, you can rally that out of Stanley in the Senate.

I'm certain.

Did you see what he said yesterday?

Yes.

He said, my, my, my everything.

And, uh...

There are a couple of things that haven't been done on him.

The Washington Post is out in full cry.

Oh, yeah.

The Post or what?

Because the sons of bitches, what they really want to prove is that no agreement is possible at all, and that we were taken in believing there was an agreement.

So they're now, they're hard-liners.

We should work on that.

We've got to be responsible with this.

Now, where are we going now, at this point?

That's Hague, Stoke, North.

Yes, sir.

Go to P.L.

Dudley.

Yes, sir.

There's no reason for me to holding a press conference on that.

Yes, sir.

In Paris.

Or maybe I better get the boys together and see that they're what they are.

They should have, uh, just as a precautionary measure.

Who is it you say, hey, let's go come down.

I think there's another way of going at it that's different.

and get in their leaders.

You've got to see, you can't bring new people.

You can't do that with propagandists.

You've really got to work with them.

Go on with the substantive type people.

And I don't think you can use Henry again on this one, and shouldn't on it.

And maybe when Al gets back, if he could call the new president,

and it's very very important that one thing i didn't come through in either henry's meetings

It's in the new summary this morning that was made by somebody else and they raised their demands on the POWs.

Now that is the best propaganda thing to be used.

That's a tough one.

This is something that is a hell of a good one for us to say and then let them deny it and lie about it.

Because there's a...

I know it's tough.

I know it's a situation.

That makes it worse.

No, but my point is, it points out that that's the reason we're having the bombing, because the bastards are down.

Well, I think our bombing will help with the fear that exists.

That reaction we got so far, which wasn't bad, it was just disappointment, was on the basis of the talks breaking off.

You don't have the reaction to bombing.

The fact that you're moving to do something about the talks breaking off, not just sitting back,

Actually, the bombing isn't playing all that high end in television.

I mean, this morning on the news, they just have about a minute on it.

The bombing is a story that she was playing for something, but now it's done.

Just keep it up.

Now the stories will go to the, what were they, to react to it.

And how did he screw it up?

Well, certainly it has to be with his lips to be screwed up.

That's the one that's the best.

I don't care about that.

The main thing is what really happens as a result of it.

Whether or not the cue goes along, that's what counts.

that you, uh, just go along and get that decided.

That's something that happened.

The other thing that happened is that the North Vietnamese decided not to talk.

That's one thing.

They decided to talk.

That's something else.

You see, all we're doing is just breaking the goddamn boat and finding where we are.

Exactly.

Which had to be done.

So I don't care, and I don't give a shit about what the farmers are going to say, but they were all laying in the bushes when you start to think about the reasoners and all these other animals.

They never said a word favorable during the election campaign.

They never said a word after the election indicating that we would have won, except that it was a racist business for various reasons.

It was a very good example of that.

And now, they're just waiting to find something to bring us up.

So, isn't this a bit something else?

Do you want to follow me a bit?

Follow me a bit?

criticisms don't bother me.

All I'm concerned about is ending the war.

So we've got to think of the things that end the war and not worry about who says who's to blame.

Sure, we screwed things up.

We all screwed things up.

It was screwed up because it wasn't ended four years ago.

It wasn't screwed up because it wasn't ended again, but it was screwed up because it wasn't ended in the Moscow summit or the Chinese summit or the rest.

You can make a case for every goddamn thing there is happening, but my point is

All of us know that nothing really matters but getting it done.

But we want to remember that we can't indicate, because these press bastards are our enemies, and the enemies of this country.

They want us to lose.

They want us to lose because they're even more desperate now because they lost the election on this issue.

And now they want us to lose.

They want to prove that this whole thing was bad.

See, that's the problem.

We've beaten them too many times.

So what the hell did you do if you were one of them?

You've got to say, well, we have to admit, maybe we were right or this or that.

Bullshit.

Never.

Only for a moment to get a story, but never in their hearts.

In their hearts, they're a bunch of black bastards.

That's the thing to remember.

I know these people.

I know them.

I know the libs.

I know the libs here in Georgetown and in New York, and I know them in your universities, and I know them in the press, and they're no goddamn good.

Now, that's what you've got to get through your head.

And pay no attention to them.

Don't answer their goddamn phone calls.

Don't have anything to do with it.

Don't try to explain anything.

No, sir.

Just go right ahead.

Say hello.

Hell, did any of them think of trying to, did any of them think of, maybe, did any of them go from Moscow?

Did any of them do the things that would accomplish these things?

Not one of those assholes thought about it.

Not one of them thought any of them was going to work.

Not one.

So the hell with them all.

They're all down to two.

And boy, I'll tell you, that's where they're going.

That's where they're going to be as far as I'm concerned.

I mean, that's not that quick.

That they won't fit.

They broke off the technical talks today, but no one was paying any attention to those anyway.

And nor was any progress met.

They couldn't even agree on an agenda.

But they say that they will not talk again until we start a bomb.

They won't say that either.

They'll never say it.

What will they say?

They'll say it was a lie.

They'll say the bomb was complicated.

They'll make out a deal, and they'll make charges.

They might say that they won't talk again until the bomb again.

But you were lying.

They're a very dangerous thing, aren't they?

You've got the record, haven't you?

Oh, yeah.

Absolutely.

Oh, I know there's some credibility in some of this.

About whether or not we were a liar.

A liar.

Who the hell would think?

We have to remember.

Who put out the statement on July 1, November 26?

Did we?

They did.

They were

They released the statement.

We didn't put it out.

That's what the New York Times and the Post now conveniently forget.

It was Hanoi that asked us to sign an agreement.

So, uh...

So it was Hanoi that released the agreement.

I think that ought to be smacked.

I really do think that.

I don't mean by self-attention, but I think it's not bad.

You can't do that by yourself.

It's not bad.

Let me tell you this.

It's a big park.

There's not all these ratchets.

Way back when, all they do is dig me in the cover because I know I see there are leeks that live there.

nasty attitude, as far as I'm concerned.

I fight so much.

But we won.

And we're going to start acting like a little bit more around here.

That's the way it is.

That's what they don't do.

That's what they do.

You remember you said that once we won, they would all come crawling.

They won't come.

You know why?

They can't.

They're beyond the veil.

These people, they're a class.

Let me tell you.

They know what's at stake here.

When they see these people from these big Western colleges and so forth, or no college at all, come through the White House night after night after night by the thousands, it's like the age of Jackson.

When they realize that their class is finished in this White House, when they realize the symbolism, for example, and the small things, what are you worried about?

They thought it was in small England.

when ziggler for the first time in four years didn't have the washington post on a pool to cover a red house social event so they squealed and said well this is discrimination against the post no it just means we don't discriminate for the post because that post has gotten i mean you really you understand you understand

The Post has no right to cover a national news event any more than the Kansas City Star.

The Kansas City Star got bigger circulation than the Post.

So could the Star be in the Post?

And the Post will have its turn about a hundred times from now.

After we make up for how many times they were on the other side.

That's the way to handle it.

I mean, this, it's a, it's a deal between the Post social people, and they all get the same news.

How the Post is going to spend better at this social...

run than anything they've ever done.

Well, screw them.

Better pick a finance lefty, Adam.

One day, they'll be told.

They'll be told.

It will be a great pleasure for me to tell them.

The country needs to hear it.

And the country will rally around me.

Talk about it.

You know, I had a nice little talk out there, and I was perfectly innocuous little talk about the responsibility of local television people to provide

and so forth and so on.

So immediately, the, of course, network inspired by the name of the gentleman and say, oh, this is an attempt of the administration to try to influence or the content of the program.

Not at all.

It's nothing to do with it.

It's, all we're doing is fighting the battle for the local television station, and you're against the goddamn network.

Right?

Yeah.

Crutchfield, these other guys in here saying, for Christ's sakes, they force this media stuff, this national stuff on us, and we want a good little balance.

Well, all right, they're responsible.

Word right here for a good little fight if you're going to enjoy it.

Let me know as soon as you get the word, right there.

Well, first of the, uh, I guess the, uh, the Vietnamese, uh, oh, yeah, from some good kids.

I know a lot of them, so last night I said, now, don't put out any of these plane losses, not for three, four days.

I said, just wait until you have some hold on that operation.

Well, except the operation won't be finished.

He knows what I mean.

He says, I figured about it.

And for exactly reasons, they've only lost two or three planes this week.

It did get out.

I saw it on television this morning.

But it played just the way Bob predicted it would.

It said two B-52s and one F-111.

And, you know, for the average person, it's like saying six F-104s.

That's right.

I mean, when you listen to it, you didn't...

When you listen to it, really, if you didn't know what a B-52 was, they didn't pay anything.

They didn't say two particularly large planes or anything like that.

All the pilots got it.

I mean, all the crew got it.

All of them.

Yes, I think they captured the crew.

Captured the crew, exactly.

I wouldn't get it back.

It's going to break anything.

Yeah.

The main thing is we're going to get these.

That's the thing that all these little boys around here are going to do.

That's the whole point of running things so clearly that you can't worry about today.

You've got to look at six months.

That's right.

What did come right then, but now there is one thing that's only been there.

We aren't sure what it was.

That is the answer.

Yeah.

But I was going to say, they are drawing something.

It must be a distortion or something.

They're drawing something.

They're drawing a line.

And Henry, I think he's going to watch this.

He's going to watch that from his own standpoint.

He's going to watch it in time.

And Henry did have a piece that I pulled him back.

Did you see that?

Yeah.

That was totally untrue.

I mean, it wasn't what happened.

We know what happened.

But he must not let that sort of thing get out.

There must never be an indication, well,

you know you know how henry can sometimes be well you know the president's very tough here you know he's got it it's all well and good for him to say he does the good things and i do the tough things but he's got to say uh no he's got to put the blame maybe nobody else sees the fight and i think that's one we've really got to watch because that that gives them a good handle for for uh hanging you and not hanging henry

Yeah.

I guess maybe.

I think maybe I'll put the Florida thing on maybe a day and maybe I can get the people in and get them all on the line.

I think they do need one.

It's obvious that there's not any leadership here at the moment.

I mean, everybody's a little tired in here.

It's emotional.

And who have we got around?

We've got Ziegler, Colson, Klein.

We can spend the day on it.

We better get a line set.

I would not feel it, but I have a feeling that it's really something that

How did that, how did we handle it before, like on May 8th?

I was saying, who would be in charge of such a thing?

Most of that capability had gone, right?

No, there's that coastal capability.

There's no capability gone at all.

And it's not here.

It is here.

No, but what could we do now?

Why would we get this money?

It depends on what we want to do.

We can't do anything.

We just have to do, where we are now is,

I think we're in a grave danger of starting to bring people over again.

I don't think you're... No, I mean, I want to get...

I want to continue to see that in place.

And that's got to be...

I don't want to say you've got to take a thing.

I think Sigrid's handling things extremely well, but I've got to keep everybody suppressed.

I mean, like you can't have a gold cracking off your glove in a crisis.

This fellow thought it was a goddamn line.

Congress in 2005.

And, you know, that human events piece that I saw, I would think that we ought to fight those political battles, it seems to me, rather effectively.

Is there, can we build up, have we been able to get anything possibly out about Bush, that he was everybody's candidate?

Oh, yeah.

What is this, just a backlash?

Sure.

What do you think we should do with the goal of any circumstances?

Don't you think so?

It's pretty rough.

Thank you.

Wait till you get him out and get the thing settled, and then you screw the son of a bitch.

And I think we just really can't get around to quite keeping his part of the bargain, so we won't quite get around to keeping ours.

We've got to get something out of the way.

But you know what, thanks.

It really is.

We say to all of them, everybody wanted to go.

Go for it.

We had the turn offender, and it would have gone that way.

It's something that I wouldn't waste much time worrying about.

I don't think you'll mind marrying any people who give much of a damn.

It's got to be Elefantsov.

Elefantsov can always get you, David.

I'm sorry, I didn't... What do you think?

Maybe I can guess between the dead and the innocent.

We could have a little meeting.

That'd probably be a good idea.

Who could participate?

Good.

Yourself?

I wouldn't get any of it.

No.

All right, all right.

All right.

Oh.

Let me tell you one thing.

All right.

We're going for...

Can't we, if we would like, just might enjoy going up there and you could take Dr. Wong, you know, the plumber, and they've got now two new guest cabins, Dogwood and Burge.

You could use that, and there's a sauna and a bathing and all that sort of thing, and hot water, you know.

But the thing is, it's a beautiful place.

If you'd like to go,

We will have nobody there for the weekend.

So if you'd like to go over, stay.

Might be a good idea.

But you know what I mean?

It might be something that you could do with her.

Or you could bring her with the doctor.

If you want to stay in the doctor's place.

Captain X. I think as long as the doctor's on the call, we could bring him.

We could have two of our children.

Great, thank you.

I think that would be great.

Well, then they could stay in one cabin.

Yeah, there's plenty.

Wait a minute, there won't be nobody else there.

There's probably a lot of writing.

They stay Saturday and Sunday.

How are they doing?

Wonderful.

I think we'd love to do that.

All right.

And I don't say a word to anybody else who are not making it available to them yet.

We use it so much.

I use it all the time.

But here, if you just go immediately and get out.

I was just purely personal.

That's what I'm going to do.

Take your kids up.

You'll have a great time.

I understand you have to be careful not to slip and fall and hurt your knee and stuff.

He has a foot.

I have a cracked foot.

Really?

That's too bad.

I noticed it today and Sunday.

Well, with all the problems you have, I thought you were going to bring us a few good little things.

I've got a number of papers.

I don't know what you can do with the money.

Well, that's one of the questions we're going to answer.

I don't have the answers.

That's a hell of a job.

A hell of a job.

I wrote you on the day after the election saying that we have a hell of a time this year because it's not easy raising money for a candidate going 25, 20 weeks all the way through.

Yeah, the goddamn Watergate.

And the Watergate, which I don't think hurt our money too much until later October.

But it took half of my time for 16 weeks.

What was really disturbing, and I'll never forget it, was some of the viewers of my old friends.

I won't even name who they are.

John mentioned you and L.A. don't go that low in the interview.

I mean, you know, morality.

Yes.

Morality, too, is your real problem.

I say whine, bitch, and all that sort of thing.

I've never said a goddamn word about the fact that we have buildings burned, lingo smashed, and...

organized disruption of our convention and of every meeting that I attended, every meeting my daughters attended, every meeting my wife attended, and I've got ten words to say.

And I get a letter from one former Eisenhower man.

The guy's name is Matt.

I don't know.

It was one of those things that I heard about it before.

It's hard to see how it happened.

And some of us are like, that's the greatest stuff, right?

That's the greatest stuff.

If they weren't doing that, they should have.

My God, we've got to protect ourselves.

Do you know what I mean?

That's running around, seeing whether the other guys, they may change the parking lot or this, that, or certainly talking about it.

But the water came to me.

Ah.

But I just don't, I know that the thing that burned me out as a hero, my whole reputation, I just didn't like to see it.

It hurted me.

And I want to say that in a year, it will be forgotten.

I was a great hero.

I said, and Mitchell knows it too, Mitchell knows it.

In a year, it will be forgotten.

Oh, so we won the election.

That's what I would start telling them.

In any fashion, it's fine around telling them we won the election.

I think I've been around Washington long enough to know the abuse again.

I think the thing that hurt the most was to be, hurt me the most, was to be accused of being a criminal.

I was a criminal conspirator.

I was sued as one.

I was attacked on the floor of the Senate as an indictable criminal by a man named Snyder Moss.

That hurts, doesn't it?

There's one other point you mentioned, and I'll stop at that point.

It hasn't been made.

I've tried to make it.

The Democrats from the beginning of the year said we were rich.

We had, Muskie said in a letter in January, we had $30 million in the bank.

We didn't need any money.

This was sabotage, fauna and water are significant.

There are any of the little tricks that Segretti did because it made us work a hell of a lot harder to get the money that was going.

And it shifted some of the burden on the larger contributors that we could talk to because the little guys began to believe it and held their money back.

So the point when it comes to sabotage, they did it to us, believe me.

Now, let me give you the final figures of, well, the final thing of the day.

Did you know the election day was yesterday?

Yeah, officially.

We lost one vote in the Virginia election.

Yeah.

We have spent about 48 minutes, give or take.

And we've taken in

About $51 million.

That's $3 million.

Now, that can vary, again, a half million dollars or so.

But up to now, I have set it aside on the basis that we need it to defend our lawsuits.

We need it for some contingent liabilities.

We've got some notes of this kind.

Do you have anything to tell me?

Just keep it as long as you can, or any time.

So that we've got plenty of time to make the right decision.

You know, that's the thing, Mark.

Besides, at a time we're all thinking, something good will come along we want to do.

Maybe some terrible accident, or some great opportunity, or people in a hollow field that we found on a private plane, or...

Well, I've worked up an option.

But you've got to put out that there are this and that and the other, and you're suggesting that this be retained for six months.

That would make a decision at that time.

How's that sound?

Pretty good, that sounds good.

He's moving to a clean-up separate fund, like you were talking about, so it gets out of the... Well, we haven't concluded whether that's...

I want to be sure that that, however...

is in no condition that the Senator House or Republican Committees can get their hands on it.

I don't think this kind of money was given to the Republican Committees, no.

Right?

I don't think we should try to return it or anything like that.

Uh, we, so we'll just say that we're using it to clean up the campaign, to deal with some contingencies, to fight the litigation.

That's right.

And that six months through, when we know how much there is, we'll determine what to do with it.

But it will not go to any private purpose.

We should say that.

Private purpose.

Right.

Here's some other good news.

I thought you'd like to know the status of the Republican Party generally.

The Republican National Finance Committee, of which I was chairman, ended up with a balance of about $500,000.

The Senatorial Committee ended up with $250,000.

congressional committee with 100, and the boosters with 100, so there's about a million dollars in party coffers in addition to... Why in the name of God did they spend that money in the campaign to win both home wins in both elections?

I think their situation was similar a long ago.

You know what?

We heard, and we assume you will hear them, hear them talk about this.

They claim that we dried up the money.

We have got to find anybody who says that the sentence dried up.

Is that right, Bob?

Did you give me that report?

Yeah.

Bob, good morning.

I met with Don .

And you said, what the hell?

Why'd they got this money if they said they didn't have money?

Here's a number I'm going to leave with you, also through Bob.

We raised, or gave, to the Senatorial and Congressional Campaign Committees, or the boosters, for individual candidates a million dollars last year.

I took $650,000 of the Republican National Finance Committee, which we had a right to keep, and gave it to those three committees.

We gave $300,000 to the Congressional, $300,000 to the Senatorial, and $30,000 to the boosters because they had a budget cap.

That's the reason they were able to run a surplus, is that the money we gave them took care of all their needs, and then they got some more money in later.

Now, in addition to that, we got about $350,000 from people who said, well, I don't want to give any more to the president.

I don't think he needs any more.

And we said, well, all right, how about some help for other candidates?

And we got checks directly to Blount, to Tower, to Hibbert, to Chafee, to Scott, to Manatee, Thompson, Helms,

Even Margaret Chase Smith, she sent it back, said she didn't need the money.

I checked early in the campaign, and I was told that Jack Miller, Gordon Hallett, Caleb Fox didn't need any money.

They had all they needed.

We went over this with Peter Dominick the other day.

It occurred to you that this might be a story that we got involved in?

Yeah.

I think we ought to either leak it or say it wasn't.

We could tell them.

It might be an opportunity if we leak it.

I'll leave it to Evan to know about it.

They're probably the best, because they get the best of God.

They get to show you that kind of stuff.

I think you can leave that.

That's a great story.

Yeah.

Yeah, and then Miller and all those, all this, I mean, just knocked the thing totally down.

Another...

It wasn't my hand.

Another statistic of the campaign that's interesting.

We received, between ourselves and the Republican committees and the state committees, for the election of the president, we received about a million contributions.

Now, I want to get to the business of recognition because here I think we've got some problems and we're going to need some help from you.

About 20,000 people this time who gave $200,000 or more.

Interestingly, more than half of them are new names.

There are 69 people who gave $100,000 or more in addition.

And exactly half of those are new names.

We've got a lot of new names here.

Oh, OK. Do you mean recognized by institutions?

Well, yes.

I have two things in mind.

I believe that, if you're to keep the word in the form letter that went out to these people, and I hope to see you soon, that we ought to have a party for the class one people in a relatively small group.

This is Stone, O'Keefe, and Skate, plus the other guys who gave 200,000 or more.

In the Class 2, the $100,000 people, again, they think they're going to be a party for them.

The Class 1 people, you can probably handle a game day with them in these quarters.

The Class 2 people probably would have to be at the White House if you're going to do them all at one time.

The problem, I see, with that is having a big dinner.

Yeah.

Or the contributors.

Everybody knows what they do.

I don't want to.

I think that if you don't, then it's not good.

We should just have dinner.

Or should we call the Finance Committee?

You know, the Finance Committee's in there.

We've got a lot of other people around through the way.

But what we could do, if you wanted to, is have it at the Anderson House or someplace, and have you dropped in.

No, we found that it's useful.

It isn't a good place.

Well, it might be a good place, but not for the president.

But also, it builds it up more, even than when it's here.

Yeah.

I think we just have it right here.

You've had receptions for candidates who are majority supporters.

There's no reason why you can't have candidates behind you.

Well, I would think so.

But you've got 200 people you can't have.

Well, I think I really suggest that the big guys, the 30 big guys, be separate.

Oh, I agree.

I agree.

Now, the next two, the 3,250,000, you can throw those actually into Camp David if you wanted to, into a dinner up there.

That would be kind of special for them.

They've been at the White House.

Going to Camp David might be a pretty small table.

They were there once, remember?

That's right.

They were up there.

Let me see.

Some of them have never been to the White House, probably.

No, to be perfectly frank, to be perfectly frank with you, Bob, I just don't think that this is better here.

If you take them up, you can't say that it does.

I mean, it's an awful big deal.

They've got to come up with cars and all that sort of thing.

And it's a big pain.

It's a bad time of year.

I really think that...

I think just putting an element there on here is...

I can't do nearly as nice a dinner at Camp David.

We ought to have a dinner at the museum.

It's intriguing for them.

It's a great thing.

Yeah, but you see, if you put 60 up there.

You can't really do 60 up there.

You can't do 60.

You can only do about 45.

They're still here.

You could do a standing up there of a few.

You've got, like, if you had a few, you have a million dollar book, you could do a few, but I don't know whether we ought to separate them out.

Well, I wouldn't at this stage of the game.

Later in the year, early next year, you might want to have... Yeah, okay.

...and a few more like that.

Are you going to be getting to those people for the Nixon Foundation?

You may want to do something.

Yeah, yeah.

All right, we'll work out the dinner proposition.

I'm going to go one step further and make a suggestion.

I should be able to do that one.

60 of over 100,000.

I don't know, 69.

69 plus.

That many wouldn't come.

There's another group of workers whose contribution was so great that I equated them to the same class.

Yeah, yeah.

And I think there's another 10 or so that might have been included.

Yeah, if you get to that, you're going to have to drop the two there.

But don't forget, they won't all be able to come.

You'll have some.

Another thing you can do is you can mix a few of those with the other breakdowns.

Yes, we could put, that's right, we could put some of those in the first pass.

Yeah, that's right.

Some of the workers.

Right, right.

And even a few of the $100,000 that are really big, big winners.

Two different winners.

Yeah.

You see, you started, you get too much.

All right, go ahead.

What I'd like to suggest is this, that after 1968, when I went to Congress, we get a list here of all the people who had contributed and raised prices and so forth, and some of the workers with

The recognition was quite uneven.

A lot of them in the $25,000, $50,000 class could have been on commissions or committees or trips to foreign countries or occasions and so forth.

And Bob and I talked a number of times in the course of the four years about who had been recognized and who hadn't.

I've got a letter here in which I recommend a standard formula for recognition of the people of Egypt.

Right.

Absolutely.

In other words, if I have this...

Absolutely.

I've heard that on the base.

Somebody comes and says, well, look, there's old souls that have been in here crying about the fact you weren't recognized.

And I say, Jesus Christ, send it down to the government in general.

That is the way to go.

That's right.

They should all... Because that's the thing.

Our guy that squeaks gets...

Believe me, we use this house like it runs overflowing to recognize these people.

All we recognize, Mark.

Everyone.

Good.

I've got an appointment.

I'm going to tell you what we're going to do.

Work it out.

The main thing is you're going to put a man on this that's got an M in it so that it's not less than a paper.

As a matter of fact, you can give it to Roach so that she'll follow.

Give her the order.

So that she'll know that nobody is to sneak in her apartment.

She's got all sorts of old friends.

Many of them didn't do much this time.

That's right.

And then that throws her that they aren't the people.

See my point?

Yep.

These are the new people.

And by God, they're going to get recognized.

Good.

I understand.

All right.

And then...

I'm all with you.

There are two sides to it.

One's the social side, which I think goes with him.

Another is the commission side, the commission's committee, strips to Liberia, and things like that.

Well, let's figure out what we can do on those.

I think that too often they slip by here out of Henry's shop, out of the State Department.

I mean, somebody dies about Berkshire every day, and they slip by something, and some asshole from the State Department goes over with them.

But you're not going to offer?

We've done pretty well.

Pretty well.

I know, yeah.

We've had, for example, we've had a very good friend because he was sick, Frank, right?

He didn't deserve to come on the basis of money.

He went, wait, I want to really get at some of these in terms of...

The key there is to put one guy in charge of implementing the whole awards program.

I want somebody, like if it's CODIS or whoever it is, we can get Barman over there or somebody.

Let's just say we want everything kind of.

Escort officers, reporters, guests, you know, there are all sorts of little guys.

That's right.

And then we'll give them certificates.

If we can't make them ambassadors, you can always make them special reps.

That's right.

That will relieve me a great deal because right now an awful lot of people are coming to me.

People who... Well, we've got them all working in the office.

Well, I see them.

Well, you'll see them at events.

You won't see them personally.

Now, I haven't missed this.

This is a four-letter word.

I hope so.

For the people who...

Besides the Washington Post, who else is on it?

Well, Spencer Shore, the Ohio Republican finance chairman, who fought us all the way to prevent us from getting any money out of Ohio, and opposed our $1,000 debt.

Why?

Well, I think again, it was obnoxious and noisy.

He wrote a letter demanding that he be sent to London to tear us this time.

How much did he give?

Oh, $67,000.

Herb Brownhill.

This may surprise you, but I...

He was here the other night.

I don't know.

Herb was here.

Why was he invited?

He was here.

Churchill.

Churchill was a former national chairman.

He had all the power.

Herb and K. Ludwig.

K. Ludwig didn't give us anything.

Not only didn't give us anything, but through Herb, they got me to do some things for him in the Interior Department to grease the way for him a little bit.

And...

talking in terms of a big contribution, and then came back and said, no, we're not going to give it to you.

All right.

I must, I personally will follow.

All right.

Jack Hecker, the big druggist down in Florida, merchant down in Florida.

Hecker?

He said he was going to give it to me.

Yep.

I sent a man down, spent a day with him, or most of a day.

I got absolutely nothing.

Go ahead.

Governor Evans in Washington blocked us from raising money.

Governor Moore in West Virginia blocked us from raising money in West Virginia.

I don't think it's that way.

Governor Sargent in Massachusetts told me he was going to, told you too, he was going to raise a lot of money up there.

I talked to him three times.

Each time he would do more and more in planning.

He said, I can't raise any money for the president of Massachusetts.

He just walked away from me.

Bill Huffman of Johnson & Johnson committed to give $100,000 and then well shot.

Bill Huffman.

Johnson & Johnson.

Lamar Hunt, Kansas City.

Bill Fisher in Ohio, Hal Dickerson in Colorado, both promised to give a substantial amount of money as it comes through.

Governor Knoll, to Wisconsin, actually told one of our $100,000 contributors not to give the money to us, to give it somewhere else.

Why?

To the state.

But we did need it.

Well, this was early in the game when we did still need it.

He just said, don't let the money go out of Wisconsin.

Uh, Crosby Kemper out in Missouri, he was a... Yeah.

... always in the phone.

George Love, who could give us millions of dollars.

We made appointments after appointments with him, and he wouldn't give us anything.

George Love.

George Love, the, uh...

The coal man.

Coal.

Oh, yeah.

Chrysler.

Uh, he's the director of Chrysler, and, uh, he consolidated the coal, and...

He done it.

Nothing, absolutely nothing.

Good.

Dan Lumpkin.

Now, Dan's been a friend of ours all along.

But then he told Louie Marks.

Maybe he doesn't have any money.

No, he's got no money.

He gave $50,071 to that debt.

He promised me he was going to give money this year in October.

And Louie Marks would give too.

They go together.

We got Louie Marks to agree to give us $100,000.

Lufkin told him not to give it.

Why?

Well, partly he didn't think we needed it.

Secondly, he didn't like the approach that was made, because I had both folks talk to March first, and then I saw March personally.

He's upset about something.

He's not... Oh, God, he wants to run for governor.

I have something up there.

Put the name down.

Bob McCullough of California made a commitment that if I... Change story?

Yeah.

Made a commitment, which he didn't keep.

Jay Irwin Miller.

Oh, he's a Mr. Scott Stanton's only son of a bitch.

I talked to him three times.

He was going to come to see me.

I didn't support the campaign.

I know.

He never would.

Bill Miller of Techcom.

Who?

Bill Miller of Techcom.

He's been here a number of times.

He's a top businessman, but he said, I don't believe in supporting presidential candidates.

Bill Bailey of CBS.

Lester Ruling.

Bill Bailey of CBS.

Bailey's head.

He refused to give.

That's interesting.

He gives a big... Lester Rooley, Nick Rooley's father, said he wouldn't give anything unless we'd come in.

Next week, we come and keep the protocol.

Norton Sines pulled that on us before.

Now, he promised me that he was going to announce the support of the president and make a major contribution after the Democratic Convention.

I met him in March.

I talked to him several times.

But he dried up the job with me, and he himself was going to give something to me.

Because John Whitney, you know, you invited to that dinner, that little dinner.

Well, he was said to somebody and got a fact that he couldn't understand why you were inviting him to a dinner, that he was totally disenchanted with you, and they found the perfect other board to have to come down to have dinner with you.

Is that right?

Yeah.

So, I invited him because he was a former investor in England, right?

Bob Eli from the Schwitz Company, who played James Willis.

wouldn't meet with us, and he met with me and made promises if certain things happened, and they did happen, and then he didn't come through with anything.

And the last one on this list, and there'll be other names that I think of, is Xeron Corporation, an old-time truck.

It didn't do anything for us.

I checked out the machines.

I wish we could throw them out, but they're pretty hard to find.

Better to have the...

I was just going to say, if you threw out the Xerox machines, you would accomplish two things.

If we threw out all the government Xerox machines, it would break the company.

Yeah.

But it would also cause the government to come to a total halt.

Both of us might... No, I'm curious about the...

I'm curious about the... about that portfolio with me.

Because I had no idea at all of it.

I checked it with Lenny.

Do you remember him?

I don't know where that came from.

Oh, I remember what it was.

I was like, we had to have something for that, for Heath's dinner, the perfume's dinner.

Yep.

And Flanagan said, yes, he had given.

I said, yeah, I had to find out whether he'd given any money.

But he never gave anything, is that right?

I think he gave $1,000 for the dinner or $2,000.

And some of the family money came in through, like, Duralay gave a lot of money.

Duralay did.

And that Mrs. Payson gave money.

Mrs. Payson.

What happened to him, Mr. Chapman?

I think Walter's there.

There may have, among other things, if you've never answered a letter that they wrote to you a year ago, they want to talk about some stuff.

Why don't you find out what the hell that was there?

I need to know if the letter was answered.

Did they ever write to you that?

It was a request for a complaint.

I think my daughter wasn't answered.

I can't believe it.

Oh, it was.

If a letter got in here, it wasn't answered.

Well, I think it wasn't answered, but why do we find no answers to that?

You know, I mean, if we're at fault, if we're at fault with the Waller-Thayer, for example, I want to know.

Then we'll go back on that.

Absolutely.

You see, if we're at fault, because if he'd planned it, I thought it was, right, if he had Waller-Thayer, we're at fault with the economy and all the rest.

But we need to know.

I have a question.

The letter dated September 29, 1971, related to the financing of Eisenhower College.

Okay.

Well, from over there, Jack Javits and I would like very much to discuss our plan with you, so we can have the benefit of any thought you may have with regard to it.

I have it.

I'll give you the answer.

I'll send you the answer.

That may happen.

That's the only problem.

But Rose wouldn't let it drop either.

But I mean, the point is that on all those finance things, I don't...

They can't.

They don't have it.

See, this is the thing where they wanted to sell it.

I found it sold for dollars.

Special legislation.

Why didn't they call somebody?

They didn't get an answer.

They got an answer.

I want to report on that myself.

I'll get it as to who's got it.

As to who got it and who responded to it.

I'll bet you money it's an answer.

Well, if they have an answer, the meeting was never held.

That's absolutely right.

The meeting was never asked.

No question about that.

Would you let me know about it today, Bob?

The letter, sure.

I reread it.

The letter was answered.

Now, I've got to...

I can't believe that that's the reason.

I can't believe it.

I mean, I don't know why.

Well, I may have used the wrong word, but it wasn't answered to their satisfaction.

That's probably possible.

Let me just check it out and see if it's right now.

Because it'll take longer than right now.

Well, you've got to run it back through the...

I can have a check.

I've got a memorandum here with the names and identifications.

what i like to do with your group

But again, my point is that you and Kahnbacher, whoever you work with, should stand together and say, this is the guy that did this, you see.

And that builds them up.

It's hard for me to make them.

I'll remember most of them, but I want to be sure to be reminded that it helps enormously.

So you get all those in your mind.

I don't need the old ones, but I'll need the new ones.

Not only the old group, but nobody gets it.

I've got a list of the people and their identities.

Now, in the course of a campaign like this, there are a whole lot of people who would one night rather want to see the President.

Standing with you, we wouldn't see any individuals or a forest structure.

Now, I've screened it down pretty far.

We've only got four individuals.

that I committed to do my best to get an artist with you.

One's Jack Dreyfuss, $250,000.

Did he give it to you?

Yeah.

Bob Pamplin from Georgia Pacific, approximately $100,000.

John Olin, who gave $100,000 here and more than $100,000 elsewhere.

And Max Fisher once, specifically.

Max worked at Dell.

He really did.

Outstanding.

Between himself and Tab Shriver, Gus Lee, that came in with something between $5 and $7 million.

Did a great job.

Now, there are five industry groups.

The National Association of Real Estate Boards, National Association of Home Builders, both did a great job.

The carbon industry, the cable television association, and the trucking industry.

The Cable Television Association has this problem of football blackouts and things like that.

They want to be protected to a radius of 50 miles or so, so that it doesn't interfere with everything.

The trucking industry, and I want particularly to note, because there's a guy named Rowan out in Iowa, I met when I was out there raising money.

They told me no one in Iowa had ever given more than $3,000 for a campaign.

So I asked him for $50,000, and I got it.

And when he came in, he said, what's the trucking industry doing?

And I said, very little, Don.

He said, well, I think we ought to raise the money for the president.

I think we ought to be known in Washington instead of just having lobbyists down there.

So in two weeks' time, he went on and raised $600,000 for that industry, which is a fantastic job.

He was one of those who shook hands with you.

They would like four or five other people to come in.

And one other.

This one you might want to be intrigued to him.

Howard Hughes gave us $150,000.

But he wants absolutely nothing from the president.

But he hopes it all.

Hopes that the president would call him next Sunday on his 70th birthday.

Either Nick or I, it's going to be perfect.

Three or four short subjects.

The new chairman of the Republican National Finance Committee.

I will resign on January 18th.

Jerry Milbank has recommended Pat Wilson, who is vice chairman.

Pat Wilson.

Pat Wilson from Tennessee.

Some question has arisen because of his close relationship to Bill Brock.

I don't know whether that's...

good or bad.

John Rollins has been promoted by a few people, and he said he would take it if the president asked him to do it.

John, however, is such a busy guy that I don't think he would have the time really to spend on it.

Herb Kahnback suggests that we consider Bill Mendenhall.

He's coming back from an ambassador to the Netherlands at the end of the year.

Bill was treasurer of the National Committee.

Very dynamic guy.

He would far outrank the other two in the effort he would take.

And I'm seeing George Bush on Thursday, and I'd like to talk to him about this, but I wouldn't.

Why don't you raise all the names of him, too?

Let's just get the best thinking we can.

Also, if you don't mind, talk to John Mitchell.

I will.

Because John views it to be interesting to hear where he runs all that crowd in New York.

I've got a little problem with people asking for a list of our contributors.

I've said, well,

Bob Finch, who wants our big names so that he can use them for his purposes in California.

No.

Now, wait.

God damn it.

You sure don't want to do anything with the list anymore.

I can't do anything with it.

I just hate to do it, basically.

I think that's bad.

There's nothing I wouldn't do for Bob Finch, but... God damn it, you start to disname things from your contributors.

We've...

Give them all their names to the Republican National Finance Committee.

They gave us all their names to start with.

So that's the only place I've given them.

What do you think about that?

Well, they all went to the Republican National Finance Committee.

What you could do instead of giving him the list is agree to let him use the list.

I think maybe give him a limited number of names.

Well, or you could run off.

You could say you'll give him a set of, you know, you'll run a mailing point.

Let him send the stuff in.

And we run through the address thing and...

He sends in the blank envelopes of postage, and we address them.

That way he doesn't get the list, but the mailing goes to the people.

If you get into the problem, if you give the list away, then they start, you know, they start moving out in all kinds of ways.

On the other hand, if you want the list used, they're no good.

You've got to keep active.

Bob makes you want to help, so let's put it that way.

Do it every evening.

No, we don't, Bob.

Um...

We've got some more money potential here for 73 and 74.

Without going into the details, I think I can have commitments of close to a million dollars for 1974 money from people who have said, if you need money for this year, we'll send you some more.

I'm telling them honestly, I don't think I need your money.

But I'd like to have it in 1974 to go to the right candidates.

There's some others who said they'll give us money early next year.

We can take some of that.

But we've got to wind this thing up somewhere.

Before I return checks, I'd like to have a commitment from them that they'll give us in 74.

I think we can have quite a list of starting money right there.

What would you mean?

How do we get it?

How do we get it out?

How do we get it only in commitments?

Take Carl Linder out in Cincinnati, for example.

He was $150,000.

He came in one day and said, uptight, he said, do you need any more money?

And I said, I don't know.

But I'd like to have another $100,000 from you.

He said, all right, on that basis, I'll give you $100,000 if you don't need it in return.

I have the checks at my desk.

I'm going to return it to Carl and say we didn't need it this year, but I'd like you to reserve it to go to candidates that we named.

That's right.

We're trying to get a group of young, vigorous candidates that really will build the majority.

We'll name them for you.

We'll particularly give you the list later.

That's right.

But if you're going with a special group of people on this, on a commitment only, a gentleman's degree, good.

OK.

Now, I've got a terrific list of people for a facet.

I mean, I don't have a name on it, but I'm ashamed of it.

They're all top-quality people.

The one that I have any reservations about, if he doesn't pass the inspection, he's going to give his money back.

But the others are great.

Now, there was only one out of us that a problem came up with.

There was one.

Who was it?

This is one of the big ones.

Roy Carter.

What's it about?

I don't know.

I'll talk to the boys about it.

They told me that they were thinking of sending him to Jamaica, and they said there wasn't much of a bargain for $250,000.

He gave $250,000.

Roy Carter.

Comes along and says he's got an entirely different kind of business.

Very wealthy.

Bandag Corporation.

Very personal business.

I don't know.

Maybe we'll get an autograph or something.

Yep.

I don't know.

We'll get to that.

Good money.

What I would like to see, we've got seven of those, and I guess a few of them are approved.

I've got about 23 or 24 more.

I think it needs to be something like 30, 31.

I bet there is some.

And I've got another here, Tim, who should be confident in some of our principal cities for their commercial work this day.

The state has identified, last year, identified 20 posts

Mark 28 is the Republican dinner here in Washington.

It's not a Miller dinner.

Normally given by the House and Senate, we've induced them to move toward unified fundraising and unified operations, and they're willing to have it sponsored by the Republican National Finance Committee as a party effort.

To do that, of course, they need to be able to say the President won't come.

This time, I urge you to do it.

You didn't go last time.

Didn't I go to the election?

No, the vice president went last year.

Yeah, right.

Didn't I go to the election?

I don't think so.

I was the one who did it.

Which one did you do?

You did your own.

Oh, I did.

I did my part in doing it.

That's right.

Well, I can go under one condition.

Wilson has to go.

If he's still the chairman, I will not go.

Well, that's what that is.

That's going to be a, it's just between you and me, but I know we've not raised money for, we had, the candidates for the House morning this time were the worst we've ever seen.

Undoubtedly the worst.

And you just can't, I cannot in good conscience raise money for House candidates as most people have to vote in that.

We have no chance of winning.

That's got to be a shock to him because he thinks there's no opposition when he's re-elected.

No, he doesn't.

He's playing a game on that.

There is total opposition.

Jerry Ford is making it all he's up for now.

It's not that I'm personally against Wilson, but the whole House is against him.

And if he doesn't go, he won't get the cooperation.

We've got to pick candidates, Marty.

We've got to pick candidates.

You know what I mean.

You can't run these dirties.

You can't run them.

Well, you know the mechanics are working now, but we'll...

But that has to be done.

I just will not go through that trade again.

Because basically it's unfair to the contributors to say that their money is going to be used for the end day service.

Well, that way, the commitment to doing that dinner ought to be held until that whole line, how that is done.

Let me say this, Mark.

I will make the commitment after I see the organization plan.

Because you've got to make the commitment.

They've got to have one research group.

They've got to have one PR group.

And they've got to have one building.

The point is, they expect the president to understand.

They expect the president to raise the money, but they don't expect him to say anything about what's done with it.

And I'll not only raise the money, but I'll do this.

I can do this, and I'm totally with all the candidates.

I made films for all the candidates.

I made videos for all the races.

But I'll do any of that.

But I can't do it because there's no chance for them to win.

I think we've got to pick up the candidate.

The Democrat, he's not got any better hand than he is.

I put it down there reading the paper this morning, where the wife of a new Democrat in my office in Maryland, Delaware, was killed.

The wife of a little guy.

One Chinese.

All right, my last column is one after you.

It's Clem Stone.

I talked to him.

You talked to Clem?

Yeah, I put him on.

He cannot be an ambassador.

I'd love to have him.

You know, I'd give him anything, frankly.

Secretary of State, he could do it.

But if we sent him to London, they'd destroy him.

They'd damn near destroy him anywhere.

They'd destroy him.

You know it.

He can't go to Paris for obvious reasons.

What the hell is your future plan?

I don't know.

I just go ahead and plan at the present time.

Walter Annenberg is going to stay in London.

And I said, let's just say that you and I chatted.

We didn't have anything in mind at this time.

And that's the way we landed.

Which I must mean, it just means that we've got to rack our brains to think of something.

Because good God, I'm looking for his son-in-law, Bradshaw.

That's out.

How old is that?

Well, he is.

Time would take another post, I think, if we wanted to work it that way.

You think he would?

Yeah, I think he'd sit in Portugal or Belgium or some place like that.

You see, though, London is so goddamn snobbish.

And, uh... Well, he called me the day before the meeting with you and said, uh,

I said, do you want to ask someone else to report it to the president?

I guess I haven't got it, but let me say I'll work on it.

I'll work on it.

Do you think he'd take something off?

I think he'd take something off, yes.

I really do.

Particularly if Annenberg stays.

Oh, I've got to.

That's why I have Annenberg stay or be there.

The plant seller, Allison, and three months later, Annenberg leaves, but then he's in a very close relationship.

Okay, on the Thayer letter, it was written on September 29th regarding legislation.

Yeah, it was referred because it's on treasury legislation for silver dollars.

It was referred to John Conley, who Thayer had also been in touch with apparently, and he asked Charles Walker to handle it.

John Ehrlichman wrote Thayer back

on October 9th, saying, the president has handed me your letter at the end of September 2019 regarding commands from the National Army College indicating he would like you to discuss the legislation that Charles Walker will set up in front of Dr. Walker, you know, whenever you desire.

Thayer then called Ehrlichman on the 12th, and Ehrlichman's office ran the thing through the OMB, and Flanagan met with Thayer in, uh,

in the first part of November, told Thayer that we couldn't get a bill introduced prior to Conley's return.

There's no way that Javits can call up his proposal.

And then Javits called to say he would delay introducing the bill until Conley returned to see if they could develop support treasury for it.

And Paul O'Neill wrote a long opus on proposed additional grants, you know, went on from there.

Rosen wrote Conley in early December on Thayer's proposal.

Connolly wrote back saying he doesn't oppose it.

Matreji will acquiesce.

And then Connolly told Thayer, Connolly talked to Thayer, said that they would not support the bill, but we would not oppose it.

And it was determined then that we shouldn't do anything further.

The bill was introduced on December 10th.

And that's that and House.

And on December

The 22nd, Thayer wrote Flanagan, bringing him up to date on the whole thing, the bill being introduced.

I expect there will be hearings.

Any questions, let me know, and I'll do my best to provide answers.

And that was the end of the correspondence for the year 71, not the year 72.

But the point is, do they need someone to go in somewhere and answer the query to jail?

I mean, that's the problem.

What is it?

And so if that wasn't the reason, then there must be some other reason.

I don't know.

It's the way it usually happens.

Well, then you're getting into this awful thing, you know, this Eisenhower College, which is kind of a pathetic thing where, you know, Thayer makes a pitch.

It is the memorial to President Eisenhower.

We've got to do this.

Bob Hope says the Eisenhower Center is not supposed to be home.

The other is.

Well, that would be a better institution than Eisenhower College.

Eisenhower College is never going to make it.

Would you like me to have a meeting with Walden and stuff?

Because I really want to see what he's upset about.

That might be a good idea.

Because he made promises that you can keep going on.

No, I frankly think rather than having you do it, I think planning should do it.

Well, except the problem may be planning it.

I mean, it may be that they would like to be able to tell somebody that, you know.

I mean, it never got to the president.

Maybe that's what they're thinking.

Oh, yes.

Could be.

I don't know.

But this kind of stuff, remember, if this kind of stuff went to the president, he'd spend all day submitting a reading and stuff.

Get in the box.

Let's see what's coming up.

I'll get a copy of it.

All right.

I don't know.

Whitney fell asleep at the den that night.

He was, uh... You know, he's got a little... Not Whitney, or was it Johnny?

He wasn't.

Well, he's not a problem anymore.

He wanted to be an ambassador, but he got his money back.

He's probably...

Here's the, uh...

Here's the copy of all the papers I just put on you.

Do you want to put it on the record a little bit?

Good.

He hasn't dropped back any money ever, maybe.

You haven't, you haven't had too much here.

Huh?

No.

Return it.

You're going to give it to me.

Come on, take it, son.

Come on, it needs to return.

Well, now, let's hurry.

Great job.

Well, now it's over.

I have a lot of help.

It's great to see you.

Well, I know.

You, you had a lot of work.

Burned my tail.

That old bastard.

Crap, you want it there?

Yes, there's crap in there.

I think that's the heart of this matter.

Right.

I think it's water.

Yeah.

Crap like that.

Yeah, that's the faint part, because you never stand by it.

When you grab it, it goes and gets a little rocky.

Yeah, there were people who didn't perceive me because they thought I was connected to the water.

Yeah, yeah.

They don't know.

They don't care about me.

They're lucky.

Yeah.

Thank you for a good day.

It was a pleasure.

It's all yours.

Have a nice time in Florida.

You know, it's really...