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Well, maybe some of the people are going to be ambassadors from now on.

Too bad.

Yeah, it's almost an incredible thing.

Yeah, well, the steroids and rockets did that in any good.

They were doing a harder squeeze than Jordanians, but God damn it, it's a...

It's a name you use these days.

It's a way of life.

And it's down that whole hell of a lot that started in the United States.

You know, this whole business, you know, of rioting and the Black Panthers and all that sort of thing.

We're in no position at this point to condemn any other country in that kind of stuff.

We had a couple of things, one another.

I mean, I opposed Steve in advance, and I just want to see people that are going to be happy.

I mean, I know a lot of people here are going to be pissed off.

Yeah.

I thought that was the rule.

It was?

Well, his problem is that he said that he turned it on.

He said that it turned it on Roy Yang, on liberals.

And the other thing is that he really got respect for that.

Because he said the Secretary of State called me in and asked me to stay.

Ron Warner, Secretary of State, he called me in and asked me to stay.

And then the White House called me in and told me I was fired.

Well, you see, what happens there is that our boys out in the department split real goddamn nice.

That should have been happening in the department.

But either Malik or Ash, this happened some time ago.

Because he said he understood that Ash and I said, I can't even do it.

He said, oh, yes, he was the one who had it.

And I think Malik and so forth had it.

Well, at least that was the story.

And if that's the case, it sure as hell shouldn't have been put in.

Well, the point is, I don't blame them.

I want to second-guess that.

But look, the guy may be a fellow that can make some trouble, because he said that there are just a lot of people that have been loyal and so forth, and they're very, very hurt because they've not been treated well in the White House family.

I'm sure they're all having it.

Most of them have been handled rather well, but most of them, they're getting good jobs.

They've gotten people like myself.

They've gotten damn good jobs.

Most of them have.

Most of them are in good shape.

Some are not.

That's inevitable.

You never know.

Some of them just have to go.

Now, getting on the ambassadorial list, go ahead and keep it as I told you.

Now, I think we

What are you going to do there?

Are you going to not move and just leave that compound there, or what?

Which, John Long?

No, that's changing.

He is?

Yeah.

Okay.

Because we've had too many reports on his, you know, business, and so you'll have to handle that.

And talk to Finch on Reynolds.

He said he was sure that there would be no problem, no real on the basis that we can't send him because his father's in business there.

He said there'd be no real problem that he could send him to another

about Latin American country, any other Latin American country.

He said, there would be a very tough problem if you don't send him somewhere.

He said he was at a party with me the other night and said, let's talk about it.

Well, get him into a country like Colombia.

That's a good country.

Now, let's just do that.

Bob Hill is a possibility to go there.

And another thing that Henry mentioned is that Bob Hill would be a damn good one in Pakistan if he'd take it.

Oh, he'd take it.

We need an excellent man there.

Now, John Odom, it'd be very hard, he said he talked to Maury about keeping Philip Crowe, not keeping him, but having him go to Denmark for a while.

He said, oh, we are going to keep him, are we?

That's our plan, that Steve is finally objecting to the reason why we're objecting.

I don't know if it's...

He's in Norway now and he wants to move.

That's right.

That's what he sees.

That's right.

That's perfect.

That's right.

That's the plan.

He's too old, but that's right.

I want black to Norway and zero to Sweden.

That's right.

And I want you then to take credit for it.

You call them home.

They're the only ones who aren't safe.

I just want you to know the president raised this with me, and we've been able to work it out.

See what I mean?

So, you know what I mean?

And take credit for the thing we're going to do anyway.

But you call it, okay?

He's a great old guy, Donald.

He's about 18.

Yeah, he's terrific.

Just terrific.

Is he?

Well, you know, he's... You ever meet him?

No, I've never met him.

I know the man who touched some of the rest.

Yeah, oh, yeah, 1967.

He's Spencer Owen, and that... Is that all you say?

They're brothers.

Yeah, they're brothers.

This is the private home.

Spencer O'Malley was never very impressed with being on the ground when he lived in the middle of the country.

O'Malley lives in the garden, has a farm in the garden, which is followed by this very shunned grouse in Jesus' story.

So, that's this little crow.

Charlie O'Meagher seems to be unhappy about that.

He's not...

He came here, you know, he's a guy with a damn good job and a good reputation.

He came in, had his tour of duty.

Sure.

You know, the funny thing is they all want to stay in Washington.

He wants to do something for service in Washington.

Why is that?

That's good.

I don't know, but that's good.

I think that's a damn good sign.

If we could get some of our people wanting to say this to our people, we can't.

I'm barely out of a facet, and I happen to be one of them.

But most of us will get out of here as soon as we can.

I think some of them want to say that's great.

Maybe we can get our people to sign it.

Would you, uh...

It's a small matter, but when you get back onto the White House staff in terms of serving staff, getting the dinner served, you know, by...

It was a long time, wasn't it?

Well, the night before, the other time was worse.

The night before, the governor said there was no excuse for it.

They didn't finish serving.

They didn't finish... Well, they had music, of course, but it was 10...

It was 10.15.

Well, that's too damn long, but let me say it.

It is because the dinner takes that long.

It's fine.

But I sat there, and finally I just nodded my own way here, because here's what it was.

Come on, let's go.

But they ought to watch and start taking those.

They don't have to let people eat the last morsel.

Don't you agree?

Think so?

Yeah.

Pat may have told them to do that, too.

That's why we'll play with Julie.

I mean, let's... All right.

You talk, have Julie talk when she's here.

You know, they're coming up for a while.

I'll just say that the European and the best way to do it is to move it a little bit faster.

Darn right.

And people... That's better for the people.

That's a...

They don't...

I don't think people like having to sit there for a long time between courses and talk to her.

Okay.

They did so well one time that I saw the FC that stuck off again.

It was great.

They were very well viewed.

Pat?

She may have, because she has a phoenix.

You don't have to rush anybody.

And when you're serving eight people at one table, you shouldn't.

You shouldn't clear the table until they've all finished.

But Christ has 700 people.

He can't wait until every old lady's eaten every crumb.

It's only a small thing, and I'm going to do it because it's already scheduled.

But when you're talking, Steve, I'm just swearing in business.

I do not think I should get down in a swerve in the head of the SEC or something like that.

I couldn't agree more.

I was astounded with it all.

You committed it to somebody.

Never.

Oh, God, no, no, no, no, never.

You committed it to Bill Casey or to... Oh, no, nobody ever even mistrusted me.

I couldn't agree with you more.

I was astonished.

Let's find out.

I shouldn't be swearing in.

It's the wrong thing.

I know he's the son of George Cook, but that doesn't make any difference.

We're giving him the top man job.

That's the point.

I couldn't agree with you more.

Now they're turning him into the other commissioner that we've appointed.

No, absolutely not, sir.

I would say, well, you've got to get away.

I should swear in the cabinet.

I should just swear in the cabinet.

That's about all.

Really?

Yeah.

Steve, on that scandal proposal for the Brad Cook story, who was it that supposedly the president committed to?

I didn't commit to it.

I don't believe we do.

Do you have the thing?

But you might check this at all.

It's on a proposal sheet.

It says on it how that was set up.

Yeah, because I didn't know anybody, but I just want to know because, see, the problem is, see, this is impressive.

I cannot survey the commissioners, which I never do.

Check that sheet because it says there that Bill Casey had done it.

Excuse me.

I might just get out of it anyway and say I'm sick or something.

It isn't.

matter the one, but it's the question of just, you get to be pretty easy to get down about it.

I absolutely agree, and I, particularly if you give them a job, and I wish I could remember, it says on it, somebody that you finally, now people say that, but that's the problem, we get

I know I said it.

I mean, before I knew that my last year, perhaps.

Well, our president indicated this was a swearing in ceremony should be arranged with Mr.

She's never even mentioned this to him, did she?

No.

Have you told him?

Yes, sir.

He's aware of it.

All right.

Well, anyway, no more.

If anybody ever reads this, we don't do any more swearing on many people that level.

Or as a candidate, is it?

No more.

And the mayor, that's as far as I'll go.

She's maneuvered Bunny into the ceremony.

I think Bunny's coming into it.

That's it.

Well, it's a small fact.

You see, what happened was I knew, when I did it, I knew that I was to prove the math.

Oh, that's only 35.

Don't ever raise it.

Skip it.

I won't raise it there, but I mean, from now on, even if I get one like that, I'll raise it.

You just have to raise it with me.

I'm the ambassador.

Thank you.

On this fall, Charles...

You know, it took a lot of guts to come in and see what he did with the autographs.

I wouldn't think that he had a hell of a plan for Roy Edge.

We've got a lot of other people that have said things have been fired because of him.

But the other thing, Bob, I don't like the boys over at the departments being the good guys and making the fuck out of you with bad guys.

That's wrong, isn't it?

Yeah.

And so the one thing I did today, I at least killed that damn John Barner.

I don't have the confidence in him, but the rest of you have.

John has always seemed to be sort of a stick.

But anyway, when the basket came in, very young or whatever his name is,

He's a cracker with a name on the other hand.

He was going over to see John, the father of the assistant secretary or something.

I wanted to give it to John.

Okay.

We just give it to him.

They have another job for him, too.

No, you don't want that.

He wants the name.

We want his name, John.

Okay.

He wants the name, John.

The other one wants the name, John.

I said, hey, you can take it.

He didn't want to take that.

Colonel Steeler ran out.

Right.

Give him that.

Give him the name, John.

Just tell Warren that he wants it.

He can have it.

You got to keep one, actually.

You got to look like one.

That's the right last name, though.

Mrs. Begg come in with Jim.

Sure.

That's good, because she's a hell of a kid.

She... What is Begg's...

I wonder what we did to keep him.

Inept.

She's got all the balls to come in.

She's...

But he's got a damn good job.

He's got a huge aircraft.

He's got a hell of a good job.

Electronic Module Corporation.

No, face.

No, he didn't.

That's a marijuana.

No, he's kind of good at using it.

Oh, is he?

He had taken the job at the other place.

Temporarily.

He's built marijuana.

Jim's a nice guy.

But he just can't do it.

He's weak.

Soft.

Quiet.

No pizzazz.

No, no, really no nothing.

Nothing wrong with him.

Just nothing.

Nothing there.

Well, he did his job.

He did his job.

And...

This wasn't an unhappy thing, but I'm glad to get her in, because she's a lot more seen than he is.

She busted her ass in the campaign.

She organized the women and mobilized the cabinet troops and all that.

She's a child.

Yeah, but beyond that, in this last campaign, she was sort of a driving force in the administration.

One of the scoops.

And she's just a help.

Well, there's no question that the reorganization thing has left a lot of blood before.

It's just inevitable.

It hasn't left nearly as much as I thought it was going to.

You think we're getting that much improvement?

Yeah.

I hope so.

I don't know.

I still hope we are.

Because I do.

It hasn't left as much blood as it should have, really.

We've softened on some, and we

for moving people up instead of out, or over instead of out.

I'm not sure it's a good idea for this kind of exercise, though.

It's the last.

The only kind of... Well, I was glad to do it, though, because with Colin, for example, he worked his butt off.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

So we're working hard.

This wife was a real... She worked hard in the campaign, too.

But anyway, here again, he's going to do a hell of a good job.

Larry Silverman.

Is he?

Oh, look.

The name's on it.

The old one.

That was the one we got out of Sticky Whippet on a jet ship, right?

Yeah.

He's going to stay here and watch it.

Yeah.

All right, here we are.

Stepton Johnson.

Conley is moving rapidly.

Great.

He's starting to get

stuff them all over.

He's, uh, one of my remarks might have been able to speculate again.

He's approached Jeb Magruder, or he's had Christian approach Jeb Magruder, and he's asked Jeb to come down to Houston to talk to him.

He's told the former PIO of Treasury to stand, to be ready and stand by that he's going to want to get him

going as a press guy.

Yeah, he's putting apparatus together.

Already.

See, that's what he, instead of making you shift, he's getting his machinery ready.

He's not going to shift.

He's not just going to shift parties and then say, now what do I do?

He's figuring it all out.

I don't know what the hell he's figuring out, but he's obviously, he's locked it.

See, this speculation, this speculation story.

Yeah, he's put it out.

And he's building it up.

He's

And I think, right, he's not sending anything to you or to me.

He's right.

And I think that's the right thing to do.

He's right.

But he's sending all the signals.

He knows that move will get got back.

And also, for example, the Brexit move to get Clint Eastwood.

He knows Clint Eastwood can get delegates.

Exactly.

That's Republican delegate then in the country.

He's purposely staying away so you can say, wow, did you discuss this with the president?

I'll go, don't go to the White House, no.

Boy, if we could just follow up with some others to go with.

There, we have some of this poor leadership going.

I mean, Jerry Ford and Les sit around above and they're fighting.

I say, well, we've got this.

Do you mind who they talk to?

Well, one guy, Dan Daniels, maybe.

Three others.

We really, really strike out down there on that.

I don't know.

We've got Harlow supposed to have worked on that.

Harry Henn's supposed to have worked on it.

Jerry Gordon and Tessa Ernst.

You find they come down to it.

You don't know who the hell they talk to.

It's not very well-planned, that was... No.

And the problem is, if we try to get into it together, we make them even madder.

I mean, you know, then they say... That's what's so damn frustrating.

I see all these things that you can do, but you can't figure out how you can get in and do them.

I think we could put together a couple of guys and go up there on the hill and mobilize the thing and get a switchover.

But then we'd make the Republicans so mad they wouldn't get in their lateral moves at committee levels and say, oh, you got brokers, oh, get the guy to agree to go and then go over and see the board and say, all right, I'm about to move.

That's what ought to be done.

I think we ought to try and launch Bryce on that again.

But it's not.

Because that's a hell of a catalyst.

And if you get common, if the common thing runs loose, you know what that's going to do?

Believe me, I think that's going to have an enormous effect on that.

Well, it may be interesting.

But I tell you what.

He is likely to go to draw people.

He'll draw the establishment people like nobody's business.

People go for a strong man.

I mean, take Agnes, for

I think he sees that.

And I think that's what he's trying to set up, just machinery so that Steve will call.

He's got someone who can take the calls instead of just sitting there in his office wondering what the hell to do.

He's right.

We should do something about sending a plane down there, I think, to pick up the light.

Yeah.

They killed both?

Yes, sir.

They cut both ends?

No, not yet.

Not yet.

They don't release the bodies?

No.

We still have a couple hostages.

U.S.?

No, no.

Jordan.

Brother, tell me, how did this fellow McCumber go?

Did he go with government aircraft?

I don't know.

I don't know either.

Well, I think we should send a presidential plane.

We have one situation still involved here before we announce this.

We have confirmation from the Sudan government.

It's moving over the guerrilla radio and also over radio from that area.

But we do not have official confirmation from our embassy yet as to the actual death of them because they haven't seen the bodies.

But one of the men apparently inside of the embassy

The Saudi Arabian ambassador, which is the embassy in which they're being held, phoned the Sudan interior minister and reported the death.

So this statement is being based on that report.

It's being reported by the Sudan embassy about the death.

I don't want to set a motion or plan to send a presidential plan to pick up the wives and families of the U.S. ambassador to D.C. and who were shot in Sudan and the bodies that we kept.

But just to get started, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

The only other suggestion here is to say it was with the deepest sense of grief, and we could add there outrage, that I have learned from the act of terror.

The original draft came over with it.

I prefer grief.

Everybody knows we're out.

They wanted me to raise it.

We'll go with it this way.

You don't think I should go out and say it?

No.

It's too late now.

I thought it was too late.

Too late.

Go ahead.

Well, it's one of those things.

Each of us is the third one we've got now.

One ambassador, a chargé, and an aid official.

Well, that company is interesting.

You know, you're a professional, right?

He's smart.

He'd miss the race if he were to be here with you and anybody else he shouldn't be.

But he comes with the right things.

That was a Jewish thing.

Talked to the SS.

There was a nice boy like me from Texas doing it with all those Jews.

And he laughed.

Don't you all know what a power it is in this country?

I said, yeah, but you wouldn't be concerned with that.

You know, as Ron was saying, we really have one hell of a moment of news since the election.

And it's this first of the year, you know, around here.

And also a very interesting one.

It's quite different because we really have, since the election, since the election, they talked about the hideaway, the hideaway, that was an heavier schedule than now.

It's very, very, very, but I mean, since the inauguration, too, we've had a very heavy schedule.

Well, and we're going to be fizzled on all your attempts to get a line, but we did work a while to go this next time.

I just wonder if maybe I should bus to Florida before going there.

Oh, why not?

I'm honest with you.

One week later, I'm going to California.

That's all right.

You're going to California to work.

I mean, that's where I work.

Yeah.

And then I go to be working there.

What time is it, Florida?

If I've got a day there at 3, yeah, you can go down to the 27th.

It'd be very nice to work that time, I think.

Yeah, the march should be.

Well, it's fair.

Yeah, you see, I could go down 23rd and come here for a little bit and come back here.

Keep the stakes clear, Jay.

And come back and do the walk to California?

Probably a better.

That's one to try.

Go ahead and do another 23rd.

Have some meeting in the morning.

Yeah, and then stay Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, maybe election night.

But keep Monday clear so you can stay Monday.

To Monday, I feel like I said.

That's right.

And that's what... That's right.

I think you ought to...

Because, you know, I just think it's going to be true.

About five weeks in.

It's up here.

It's pretty tiring.

Yeah, I think California's not going to be any better.

At least at the first part of the year.

I feel that we have now gotten a format on the press thing.

It's about the way we want it.

Because it's certainly, I've determined, it's a total waste of time.

It isn't a waste, but it's such a minimal use of time to have it in this office.

They like it, but you can go out there to that damn place, and they can't say you weren't on television.

You just handle it there.

And that would have been about every four weeks.

I figured they'd get through 20 questions and say, oh, my God, that's crap.

And I think they had it covered.

And it's more domestic than foreign.

Yeah, well, it's because of water, yeah.

And three Watergate questions, and two, two, two great questions, five great questions.

All the same.

Really, five Watergate questions.

But you covered the international economic thing, the domestic economic thing, and then wage price.

Right.

Business.

And gold, the dollar.

Dollar.

Correct.

So you covered that.

We got everything.

You covered that.

That's all there is to talk about.

And you covered the POWs, you covered the Vietnam Settlement, the ceasefire question, the cartoon situation.

That's a very good thing.

I wonder if we should do it more often than every four weeks.

I think you probably should.

Not every two weeks, right?

No, I wouldn't do that.

You might pick it up in two weeks this time, maybe.

Unless you decided to tell them last time.

Either before you go.

You had one thought of doing one just before you go to town.

You know, Connelly's switch has done to me, have much more effect than all Smith's do.

Conley will be switching at a time.

But Al said he did not switch.

He just came out for the Republicans, for Hoover.

That's what Conley did already.

Conley's already done that.

This switch is going to be a switch of major proportions.

It just hasn't happened in this country in a hell of a time.

And I'm sure Conley will carry some tensions with him.

Don't you think so?

And if Barbara Watson moves at the same time, that'll be a signal to one of those folks.

Because Watson is, you know, it's going to send our great republic in front of a goddamn wall.

And it's good.

It's good to shake a lot of fools.

Send it up to all of us this year.

How many friends on the second floor across the street?

Vice President?

Didn't just, yeah.

And his people.

I don't think he's got the...

I don't think he's got the time for it.

And he just sort of sits there and it's going to drop in his lap.

He'd love to have it if he didn't have to work for it.

The problem is I don't think he'd want to work at it after he got it either.

He likes to be king.

He likes to be king, but he doesn't like to be prime minister.

That's the problem with Hagman.

It really is true.

Yes, sir.

He loves the pomp and circumstance.

He loves to be balanced.

It's great to hear he does.

And he accepts all that.

But he doesn't like to get down that dirt.

Like I get down with working my butt off and stuff.

And he will not do that.

I don't mean that he doesn't do well when you give him an assignment.

But he does do real well.

And to the degree he does do well, he's given a hell of a lot of help.

You had to fight for the help you got, and you probably didn't get very much even then.

You did it yourself, which is an advantage, Captain.

I have no regrets.

You got a letter coming in from Marsh Preachers, my grandson, Denton.

Captain Denton, the letter goes to POW.

I already have a captain.

He makes the point.

He said those of us who commanded POW camps in the way had kind of the same...

The situation that you had was present.

We had to run something.

He said that maybe it was easier for us because we were under physical difficulty.

And as you know, the stress of difficulty makes people perform better or something.

He was making a point.

And then he's saying that America's gone soft.

He's come very often.

It's great to see how it's gone soft here because things are too easy for people.

That's what those guys have picked up, and I think we're going to see a lot of that.

They can affect the nation.

I know the old Puritan epic types have come out of some brackets.

Well, that's what they were saying when they came off that plane.

That's why it's driving the press right up the wall.

They can't stand it.

And they can't stand it because they were on live television.

You know, that's so hard for them to find anybody that feels otherwise.

They found one sergeant out there, obviously Jewish, who was probably a man from KWL.

He sounded like he was maybe on Dover or something.

He wasn't really.

He talked some sort of Hindi language.

He was very disconnected.

I don't know.

I didn't see him on television.

I just read this.

But my point is, but that's just one of...

Yes, there's a lot to do in that one.

Well, I mean, there may be more, but that's the point.

Your ground is on the page.

The great majority, fortunately, the great majority are officers.

And the great majority are officers.

And I had a question to see when a guy was hired.

It's the kind of thing that really makes the story.

The guy who had a car in his cell and the guy who made it from a handkerchief or something.

Sure.

The stuff that I'm not talking about is

It was December 18th when everybody went to jail for a while and cheered and all that because it was the year of D52.

You can only imagine that bliss on the farm.

They knew they were hopeless.

Here came another Christmas.

And then that was our Christmas present.

See, the vine, in retrospect, it can be written that way too.

At least it was part of the people here.

It was a hell of a Christmas present for those guys.

have held the people here.

I mean, they didn't.

What did they do after Christmas?

What did they do after they did that?

Take notes in their Christmas tree.

Yeah, yeah.

What did they do then in chapter 3?

Say, oh, isn't it terrible to give something a bitch about the president?

No, I'm awfully glad to you and the sisters that we not do them in this office.

This office is easy, pleasant, and it's nice for the price.

Wow.

It's more convinced of television as the game.

Well, I must never do anything unless it's on television.

Beyond that, there's a thing, there's an atmosphere.

I think it's better for you to stand behind a podium, you know, have the microphones on, the cameras going when you're talking to those guys, than it is for you to let them into your office.

Yeah.

You want to go out to their formal room, right, and stand up with something between you.

Here, they're...

You're dignifying them too much in here.

Right.

And they like it out there, too.

They have a good time.

Some of them like coming in here, the old-timers, you know.

It goes back to the old Roosevelt tradition, but that was... We've done a lot of work here, although we haven't ever earned a guy.

I'm just delighted to do it.

Thank you very much.

You're talking me into going with the gridiron and the correspondence.

I guess I should.

You should go.

I swore I was never going to go to this.

With all this, you've got to go because the whole staff, I guess it's great to go.

I wouldn't go with the correspondence, though.

I shouldn't.

I don't give you that.

Well, I would cheer on them not to.

I think you should go to the great iron, because the great iron, they're going to crack on you.

Yeah, at the correspondence, they aren't going to crack on you.

And I said that.

No, I don't do the correspondence.

Hell no.

Okay.

No, you shouldn't.

You shouldn't go to the great iron, because they are just to beat everybody.

When that happens to the celebrities, the correspondence, Christ might go to the correspondence.

That's enough.

Nobody has to go to the correspondence.

Believe me, nobody else.

When I go

You know, one thing on invitations that I don't know whether we can do a hell of a lot about it.

I know we had a governor's thing one night, and we had the other, and that's next time.

But it really is tough to have the same cabin people.

There were about three of the same cabin people came to dance, Schultz and Richardson, and I don't know the other one.

We should, they should never, I guess don't want to ever see them

at a dinner.

I mean, I just don't give a goddamn what dinner it is.

There was no reason for Schultz to be at a dinner.

Yeah.

No, whatever, you know.

And Richardson didn't have to do that.

As it turned out, he was good at what he was, because he had a couple of our talks with Connie afterwards last night.

They had a long, long, they went down to the library after you prayed.

Isn't that wonderful?

He had a very good session about economics.

Good.

Was he pleased with it?

Yeah, I understand.

I thought it was very productive.

I like Schultz to do anything.

You know, for us, if they come in, frankly, of course, I want to be a thrill for them to come in about that point.

You know, don't you?

Yeah, once a month.

Once a month is too much.

Once a month is way too much.

Thank you.

And we did get word now, finally, from our embassy, that they built it.

They only killed the American?

The two.

Two Americans.

I know.

Boy, I suppose you might say they killed the Americans because we said we wouldn't pay with the black money.

We probably didn't even know we said it.

Different side of the answer.

The only position you can take, though, is to have a black man.

As soon as you bail one of those guys out, you're going to get a hundred of those.

You're going to be a mascot in the world if you get that.

Well, then we're going to have to look like that again.

Let's do it again.

No, I'm just very distracted.

You may find some people in this country, though, that will say, well, we shouldn't say we won't play back a black man.

What do you think?

We'll find some.

How many?

Probably 20%.

I guess so.

That would be that high, but it might.

But if it's 20% of certain influential kind of people, some of them are solitary assholes.

What are you going to do?

You can't do it, Jesus.

Never.

Funny about it, I think we're completely confused, though, with these two press things.

Now, this whole crap about the, you know, not, you know, the, you know, you have to just do a couple of soles, you know, you pop them, because they bubble so easily, they...

Before you know it, I'll be honest again, we're trying.

I don't know whether it's going to hold.

This is what you think.

acid project and they haven't raised the question of watergate or anything like that with anybody.

Well, including the interview with Mitchell, where they're probably raising this print watergate on the basis of the other things they have.

I think you've got to figure that out.

They're going way into the background and doing it on the, you know, on the stand.

Let me tell you, I don't know what they're going to do.

I really think this is going to

I don't think it was particularly important.

I really don't.

I would bet that you'd find that in our own, in the administration of the cap, that you wouldn't find five people in there.

I don't think you can lower, you can't lower the flag, you see, of the government.

We're an ambassador.

I see.

Do we?

No, sir.

There are more than a State Department flag in all of the State Department in the United States of America.

But it's better for you to instruct the board.

State Department, would you do it?

You could, yeah.

You could lower the White House flag.

I could do that, sir.

I think you should.

I'll lower the White House flag because he's the president's ambassador.

like Mike, Matt, Matt, and the State Department and all four agencies.

Yes, correct.

Tell somebody to put the White House bike down.

Tell them not to put it down now.

But, uh, so here, what he's saying, here, here, there's little things that say, will be something to worry your friends.

It's better than something that's on your mind.

But you're so much of a press.

You've got to know something about it.

It doesn't make a darn thing.

True.

They speak today in the community more.

I agree.

I say they don't suck.

It is people you talk to who read.

It is amazing how little it is read and is covered by that stuff in anything you do.

And that Johnson interview was a hell of a good thing.

I don't think it got any...

Any three or seven.

I mean, really, almost zero.

I don't think anybody read it.

I really don't.

The president read it.

And he said he worked his ass off.

Oddly enough, my thing in U.S. news a while back did, because it was about people, about programs.

And I think there you get some.

Because people are interested, but they aren't interested in programs.

Strange, right?

You know, I'm sorry to lose Ezra Solomon.

I have to go back.

I'm currently celebrating.

I'm going to get him.

Haley was concerned that he could have no contact with the White House or, you know, any government at all.

Heather, the deal with Colson, do you mean?

And she's trying to think how to pull in a line with him.

Sure.

And I just want to see if you want me to do it.

Sure.

I mean, I wouldn't leave it with Rudy, and I don't think they're, frankly, you know, you know, subtle enough.

But you could, you know.

Okay, sure.