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Conversation 890-015

TapeTape 890StartFriday, March 30, 1973 at 11:10 AMEndFriday, March 30, 1973 at 11:29 AMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Kissinger, Henry A.;  Dobrynin, Anatoliy F.;  Johnson, Roger E.;  Burtrova, Alla;  Muromcew, Cyril;  Furtseva, YekaterinaRecording deviceOval Office
AudioNARA Description

On March 30, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, Anatoliy F. Dobrynin, Roger E. Johnson, Alla Burtrova, Cyril Muromcew, and Yekaterina Furtseva met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:10 am to 11:29 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 890-015 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 890-15

Date: March 30, 1973
Time: 11:10 am - 11:29 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Yekaterina Furtseva, Anatoliy F. Dobrynin, Henry A. Kissinger, Cyril
Muromcew, Alla Burtrova and Roger E. Johnson. Members of the press and the White House
photographer were present at the beginning of the meeting.

       Greetings
             -Moscow
             -Leningrad

       Julie Nixon Eisenhower
             -Report on function on March 29, 1973

       Tricia Nixon Cox
             -Trip to Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
                   -Edward R. F. Cox

       Furtseva
             -Reception, March 29, 1973
                  -Success

       US-USSR cultural exchanges
           -Ambassador
           -Value
                 -Art
           -Product of US-USSR relations
                 -Visual indication
                 -President's relationship with Leonid I. Brezhnev, Furtseva
           -Ambassador
           -Salary

       Painting [“Russian Winter, 1972” by Boris Shebakor]
             -Presentation to President
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            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

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                                                    Conversation No. 890-15 (cont’d)

USSR
    -Trees
          -Birch

Brezhnev's visit to US
     -Stay at Camp David Birch Cottage
     -Time of year
           -Weather
                   -Washington, DC
                   -California

Kissinger

[Photograph session]

Leon Tolstoy's home

California
      -USSR gift painting of winter scene
           -Snow in California

Furtseva
      -Acquaintanceship with President [?]
      -Age

US-USSR relations
    -President's efforts to improve
    -Improved climate
          -Compared to 1959
    -Affinity between peoples
          -Jokes
          -Music
    -Kissinger
          -Affinity for USSR
          -Travels
    -President's goals by 1976
          -Past improvements
          -Continued meetings
                 -Brezhnev’s cooperation
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                         (rev. August-2010)
                                                              Conversation No. 890-15 (cont’d)

              -Anecdote to use
                   -President's visit to Urals in 1959
                         -Marker
                         -School children
                                -Remarks to President
                                       -Flowers
                                       -Friendship
                         -Zhukov[?]
                                -English word “friendship”

        Julie Nixon Eisenhower
              -Location
                    -California
              -Invitation

        Presidential gifts
              -Seal of president
              -Pin
                    -Friendship
              -Andrei A. Gromyko
                    -General Assembly

        Greetings from President
              -Brezhnev
              -Aleksei N. Kosygn
                    -Strength
                           -Compliment
                    -Intelligence
                    -Bargaining skills
                    -USSR leadership

        Broadcast

Furtseva, et al., left at 11:29 am.
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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

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                                                            Conversation No. 890-15 (cont’d)
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Well, my daughter Julie told me about last night.
And Christian told me all about the trip.
I'm not sure where it was.
Maybe in a year or so.
Maybe in a year or so.
Maybe in a year or so.
Well, you had a great success last month.
Well, I think that we, that was the ambassador, agreed that we
We have this exchange in this area.
And many will say, well, what does that matter?
The important thing is that, for us to remember, is that this is the,
And this is the visual result of, and also, it's certainly a visual indication of a different relationship between the Soviet government in every single state, and particularly the personal relationship that I've had with the Depression and you and your colleagues.
He's one of the best ambassadors in the world.
No, Mr. Gresham, you should raise yourself.
Well, it's art.
Right.
We presented pictures to the people of France, the people of Hungary, the people of Russia, the people of Russia, the people of Russia, the people of Russia, the people of Russia, the people of Russia,
And the campaign, we're going to have each day, the college, and the name of the college is Bert.
Bert, Bert, Bert.
Yes, it's clear that they want to do that.
Now we need to think about the logic of the forms that are going to be used in America.
They need to be challenged.
They need to be challenged.
They need to be challenged.
They need to be challenged.
But we look forward, and he's coming, a good coming here.
The weather will be good in the morning.
particularly that in California, where else can they be?
Oh, I hope in China.
Oh, no, no, no.
Mr. Kissinger is from the world.
Oh, wherever the pretty girls are.
All right.
I want to be sure, Mr. Secretary, that I'm saying who are denying whatever you're calling on me to do.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
how far would this be from uh
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Now I've got to decide where to lay that down.
I'm going to lay that down.
I'm going to lay it down.
I'm going to lay it down.
I'm going to lay it down.
I'm going to lay it down.
I'm going to lay it down.
I'm going to lay it down.
I'm going to lay it down.
I'm going to lay it down.
I'm going to lay it down.
I'm going to lay it down.
I'm going to lay it down.
You can take that to California.
No.
The ambassador made a very good point.
He says there's no strobe at least for regularity.
And then the entire border is pretty cool.
California doesn't make much of a difference.
I'm here today.
I'm here today.
I'm here today.
I'm here today.
I'm here today.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We are committed to you for years, right?
For 50 years, she knows you.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah, that's right.
She said, do you remember when you were in that class?
And then she was a company teacher, so it was a big deal.
And it was a great drama, drama, a few years ago.
She was so young.
I don't know what it was, but that's how it was.
That's how it was.
And she was in company, too, because she was in charge of all the television commandos.
Right, right.
Yes, of course.
She was there with me.
I've been involved in both campaigns.
At that time, she was the secretary of the Baltimore school of financial administration.
Oh, yeah.
She was the secretary of the Baltimore school of financial administration.
And she was educated with me.
If I appreciated the time not quite well, so she was guilty.
But the country did not benefit the country.
I would like to emphasize that now, for the first time in my country,
They respect my audio and do improve and better listen to the audio.
It's interesting.
It's interesting.
It's interesting.
It's interesting.
The climate is better than it was in 59.
But I always said there's a great affinity between the people of Russia and the people of the United States.
We laugh at the same jokes.
We like... And Henry likes Russian girls.
The other thing is...
When she was in San Francisco last year.
She was asked the question.
We know that Mr. Kissinger will use the respect of all women.
Will Mr. Nixon use it?
Well, we know that Mr. Kissinger has a great success with the ladies all over the world, and he will be successful in Russia, but will President Nixon have success with the ladies in Russia?
And I told them, I told them that in the place of Mr. Nixon, I told them that in the place of Mr. Nixon,
because I would prefer to have success with the whole person team.
So that is the way it is.
That was the issue for that day.
Well, we consider, if you have the permission, you can be sure that in my remaining years in this office, there is no greater goal than to leave the office with the relations
from Soviet Union and the United States.
Totally different from what they were when they came.
And we've already come a great way.
But it will take continued meetings at the highest level to go the way that we want to go.
And I know Mr. Gresham has the same view.
We have our differences.
Very good work.
Very good work.
What you're telling me now is the strongest point I can use in my
I'll tell you one anecdote you could use.
When I was stressed in 1959, we went on a road to the Euros, that is, at the top of the world, the middle of the world.
And there is a marker there.
And there are school children.
A great number of school children.
That is, our car came back.
They threw flowers in the car.
And they were young school children, eight, nine years old.
And in English, they said, friendship, friendship.
And you're Zukov, who was with me, Zukov.
Not the general, but you know, you're the general.
Right, you're the general.
He said to me, and I said, I am.
He said, friendship is the first English word
A Russian child warned us when he studied.
That's what we want.
And she invited me yesterday.
Julia.
Oh, good.
Next year.
Next year.
That's great.
This is, look, a seal of the President.
And a pin.
And now look, it doesn't come behind your shoulder.
It's a fraction.
It's a fraction.
We had it nearly arranged last year, Mr. President.
that Rubico would wear it at the center of the center.
Yes.
You extend my best to both the President and to the Prime Minister right now.
They are very strong intelligentsia.
To me, when I say that, that's a compliment.
I mean, they bargain hard.
But when I meet world leaders that are weak, you cannot respect them.
But the main point is that
Your name, your people, and your leaders deserve and have my respect.
That's very important.
It's all right.
It's all right.
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