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Start Date: 30-Mar-1973 11:42 AM

End Date: 30-Mar-1973 11:56 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Bull, Stephen B.Kissinger, Henry A.Jha, Lakshmi Kant

Recording Device: Oval Office

890-017.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 30, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Henry A. Kissinger, and Lakshmi Kant Jha met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:42 am and 11:56 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 890-017 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 890-17

Date: March 30, 1973
Time: Unknown between 11:42 am and 11:56 am
Location: Oval Office
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. August-2010)
                                                            Conversation No. 890-16 (cont’d)


Henry A. Kissinger met with Stephen B. Bull [?].

       Cabinet Room

The President entered at 11:42 am.

       President’s schedule
             -Meeting with Ambassador Lakshmi K. Jha

Bull left at 11:42 am.

                    -Topics for discussion

       US-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] relations
           -Jewish immigration
                 -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin's message
                       -Suspension of a tax
                       -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson's reaction
                             -Assurance
                             -Helmut (“Hal”) Sonnenfeldt
                             -George P. Shultz
                 -Jewish groups
                       -Opposition to US-USSR relations
                       -Kissinger
                       -Jackson
                       -American people
                             -Vote
                             -Anticommunism
                             -Desire for peace
                 -Jewish interests compared with US interests
           -Yekaterina Frutseva
                 -1959 visit
                 -Youth
           -Leonid I. Brezhnev's visit to US
                 -Dates
                       -Andrei A. Gromyko's attendance of security conference
                       -Alternative dates
                             -Kissinger's meeting with Dobrynin
                 -Brezhnev's age
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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. August-2010)
                                                           Conversation No. 890-17 (cont’d)


                  -Brezhnev's intentions
                  -US position
                       -Congress
                       -President’s gains
                             -USSR issue
                             -People’s Republic of China [PRC] issues

Ambassador Lakshmi K. Jha entered at 11:44 am. Members of the press and the White House
photographer were present at the beginning of the meeting.

      Greetings

      Photographs

      Kashmir
          -Governorship
          -Beauty
          -Jawaharlal Nehru
               -Fondness

      President’s schedule
            -Meetings of ambassadors with President on departure
            -Purpose of this meeting
                  -Importance of India
                         -Geographic placement
                         -Indian people
                  -Jha's work as ambassador

      US-India relations
           -Indo-Pakistan War
           -Aid to Pakistan
                 -Restraint by India
                        -Threats to India
           -Improvements
                 -Public statements
                        -Suspicions
                        -Confrontations
                 -Political systems
                        -Two largest democracies
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      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                         Tape Subject Log
                         (rev. August-2010)
                                                 Conversation No. 890-17 (cont’d)


                    -Exchanges
       -Mutual interests
             -Freedom
             -Peace
       -Perception of opposition by world
       -Message to Indira Gandhi
             -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
                    -Desire for post
                    -Work for improved relations
-Differences of interests
       -Divided Pakistan
-Anti-Americanism in India
       -Press
       -Parliament
       -Latin America
       -Europe
       -USSR
-Jha's tenure as ambassador
       -Successor
-Consequences
-US press reports, speeches of Anti-Indian prejudice by President
       -Pakistan
       -President’s reaction
             -Falsity
             -Desire for good relations
             -Impression of President’s opposition
                    -Impact on superpowers, neighbors
-Jha’s mission
       -Memories
       -Difficulties
             -Appreciation for communication with Kissinger
-Improvements
       -Gandhi
             -Respect of President
             -Woman
             -Leadership
             -Skillful politician
             -Electoral victory margin
       -Moynihan
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                         Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. August-2010)
                                                               Conversation No. 890-17 (cont’d)


                             -Meetings with Indian officials
                                   -Economy
               -Jha's successor
                      -Political discussions
               -Jha's tenure
                      -Confidence
                      -Handling of press
                             -Columnists

       Gifts
               -Photograph
               -Ashtray

Kissinger and Jha left at 11:56 am.