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Conversation 893-005

TapeTape 893StartWednesday, April 11, 1973 at 10:00 AMEndWednesday, April 11, 1973 at 10:08 AMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Graham, William F. ("Billy")Recording deviceOval Office
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On April 11, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and William F. ("Billy") Graham met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:00 am and 10:08 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 893-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 893-5

Date: April 11, 1973
Time: Unknown between 10:00 am and 10:08 am
Location: Oval Office

The President talked with Billy Graham.

[See Conversation No. 44-143]
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Well, I finally caught up with you.
I'm just fine.
But I guess it was about Sunday.
I called you, and you were on your way.
And then you were on your way.
They said, oh, no, you were on your way from Montcrete to Charlotte.
And after that, you got to Charlotte.
They told me you were on your way to Pittsburgh.
I called you.
You said, next time you're on your way from Pittsburgh to Charlotte again.
So I said, all right, I'll try.
You get my two tables on your press card?
Well, well, I'll be out of that.
I was surprised that the press here didn't even see through, you know.
And he does that.
I can't believe they could let me have my new receiver.
Yeah, yeah.
I remember, yeah, when I was there, 53.
And I've been there since 67 again.
Well, I appreciate it very much.
Well, I appreciate it.
We will continue to hammer away.
We've got to expect, Billy, you know, you have to expect the opposition to sort of take away because you're not beating them so badly in November.
They've just got to recover.
So that's all right.
We've got East and Vietnam moving along with some other things, and that's what history's going to remember us for.
Yeah.
Sure.
Oh, we'll let him know.
He'll take away, he'll make, there's a lot of headlines, he'll irritate a lot, but those things also pass.
The main thing about those, of course, is you know that they're campaign people, I'm sure you're quite honest with me, but they sometimes do silly things.
Yeah, no, I know that.
I know.
I got a higher regard to that.
Tell me this, Billy, is he a lawyer, you know?
Yes, I know it works for our manner.
But he said he would.
When did he tell you this?
About a month ago, wasn't it?
Yeah.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Great.
Incidentally, we're having Dr. Hill Sunday.
And we just hope he doesn't try to make us make a civil rights call.
The point is, I don't think he should talk about, naturally, about equal rights and such, but nobody should ever use that forum for the purpose of propaganda and all.
Yeah.
Tell him that we've got...
and everybody be watching him.
Yes, sir.
Okay.
Well, it's good to talk to you.
Appreciate your help and your support.
Maybe hers a little more, you know.
He'll be great, though.
He's a great fellow.
Great guy.
Right?
I know he was...
And, you know, it was hard for me, I can tell you, but I knew we had to do it.
Or Ramsey Black, either.
Well, it's really good to talk to you.
And we did try to reach an audience.
Why don't you know it?
The White House operator was calling in, and I'd be at the dinner or something.
But anyway, we'll be seeing you.
I appreciate the knowledge, but you need to call now.
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