Conversation 921-020

On May 17, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Ralph J. Perk, George H. W. Bush, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., James H. Falk, members of the press, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:26 pm to 12:45 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 921-020 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 921-20

Date: May 17, 1973
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Time: 12:26 pm - 12:45 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Ralph J. Perk, George H. W. Bush, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr. and James H.
Falk.

       Greetings

       Arrangements for press photograph

       Perk’s accomplishments
              -Veterans
              -Jobs

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       Perk’s forthcoming election
               -President’s support
                       -Air waves
                       -Cleveland, Ohio
               -Polls
                       -Numbers
                       -Perk
                       -John J. Gilligan
               -Gilligan
                       -Taxes
                       -Previous year’s vote on amendment
                               -Vote of confidence

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       Watergate
             -Washington, DC
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                     -Press coverage
              -Popular mood

Members of the press and the White House photographer entered at an unknown time after 12:26
pm.

       Press coverage
              -Discussion points
                      -Pleasantries
                      -Cleveland Browns

       Bush

The press and the White House photographer left at an unknown time before 12:45 pm.

       Cleveland
              -Possible action by administration
                     -Budget
              -Unemployment
                     -Compared with Detroit
              -Federal revenue-sharing
              -President’s message
                     -Bureaucracy
                     -Defense by Perk

       Emergency Employment Act [EEA]
             -President’s support
             -Funding
                    -Extension
                            -Manpower
                            -Federal revenue-sharing
                                   -Flexibility
                                   -Timing of announcement

       Cleveland
              -City Council
                     -Political make-up
              -Unemployment
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                    -Funds from administration
                           -Timing of announcement
                                  -City Council
                                  -Mayor
                                  -Board of Education
                                  -Polls
                                  -Bush

      Perk’s possible statement regarding meeting with the President
             -Watergate

             -Administration’s activities
                   -Embarrassment
                   -Foreign policy
                           -Peace
                           -World War II
                           -Soviet Summit
                           -Europe
                   -Domestic programs
                           -Inflation
                           -Federal budget
             -Administration’s attitude
                   -1972 election mandate
                           -Peace
                           -Prosperity
                           -War
                           -Inflation

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      1972 campaign
             -Tricia Nixon Cox
             -Julie Nixon Eisenhower’s visit
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      Watergate
            -Administration’s activities
            -Bush’s recent trip
                   -Lincoln, Nebraska
                   -Tuscon, Arizona
            -President’s message
                   -Public reaction
            -Cabinet meeting
                   -Revenue-sharing

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      Republican Party
            -Political success
                    -Mayorship
                            -Annapolis, Maryland
                            -Black vote
                            -Oakland, California
                                   -[First name unknown] Reading [?]
                            -Alexandria, Virginia
            -Administration’s handling of Watergate

      Perk’s forthcoming election
              -Cleveland Press
              -Cleveland Plain Dealer
                     -Thomas V. H. Vail
              -Cleveland Press
                     -Roy Howard
                            -Scripps-Howard Company
                                   -New York
                            -Perk’s opponent
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                                      -Finances
                                -Message from President
               -Vail
               -Herbert G. Klein’s possible calls
                      -Jack Howard
                      -Thomas L. Boardman
                      -Cleveland Press
                      -Proximity to President

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       Presentation of gifts by President
              -Golf balls
              -Seal
              -Cufflinks

       Bush

       President’s schedule
              -Jozsef Cardinal Mindszenty
                      -Visit to Cleveland
              -Joseph Cardinal Slipyj-Kobernickyj-Dyckowsky
              -Hungarian, Ukrainian voters
              -New Majority
              -National Security Council [NSC]

Perk et al. left at 12:45 pm.

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Come on over here and sit down.
Press picture in about five minutes.
So the briefing is going on right now.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Well, the conclusion will be when you're ready to buy.
We appreciate your statement, which we heard over the air several times that particular Sunday, which you were praising Cleveland.
The election at the moment, without an opponent, my acceptancy in an 8-to-1 Democrat city is 70%.
That's not bad.
My Gilligan's acceptancy in my city is 30%.
You know, he's the governor, he's the governor.
What's causing him to go down the route?
Mostly the increase in taxes.
We've got such a tremendous amount of publicity during the first year of his administration.
He took the amendment that was announced by the people last year as a sign of a vote of confidence, but it wasn't.
The amendment was a killing amendment.
It was not only would it have annihilated the tax structure,
It was taken away from the legislature, all power and land taxes, and so that's the reason that the amendment was defeated.
But he took that as a personal victory for himself.
You know, things look good.
Out there, things look good.
I mean, I don't know what's happening here in Washington.
I know that the newspapers are concentrating on one issue and one issue only.
But when I get out and I go to the outlander among the carpenters, I was last night, I say, what's this about Watergate?
Do you know anything about Watergate?
I tell people, I say, no, I don't know anything about Watergate.
They don't know themselves, but they figure that somebody tapped somebody else's phone and that the politicians are blowing a course.
Now that's, you know, that's about the category answer.
All right?
I think so.
Well, that's a good point.
This is your county, and these are projects that are extremely important to the city of Cleveland, and they're also very important.
We're going to call it a night.
We're going to call it a night.
There we go.
Well, let me tell you, on these things, uh, you don't need to do any, uh, what you say, make any sale with me part-time.
everything that we can do within reason.
Is that what you see what I mean?
Yes, sir, it can.
Some things we can't do because we may not have the budget, but where there are things within reason that fit within our pattern, that's why let's tilt to the legal.
Is that fair enough?
I don't know if you're worth my opinion on that.
Is that fair enough?
Can we absolutely say that the level of things that we've made here?
I don't know.
Go ahead.
If you can get those instructions, and I'll be happy to take those.
I'll be no problem in getting them.
What we're talking about here is, one of the main things I'm talking about here is that we have the largest unemployment rate in the United States of any of the 12 largest cities, the 20 largest cities.
Larger than Detroit.
Larger than Detroit.
We have the largest unemployment percentage.
And while we know, and listen, I know the value of your federal revenue standard program.
I know the value of the general revenue standard.
just like how you could preach the gospel in the last campaign.
I was one of your surrogates, and I'm sure you're aware of who I am.
And I love to go out because I knew what I was talking about.
I knew all about revenue sharing.
I knew the value of bringing money to the city.
I talked about the president wants to bring government back to the people.
He doesn't want it in the bureaucracy in Washington.
He wants it back to the people.
This is what federal revenue sharing is all about.
So I understand that.
And I know why you're facing out.
Some of the programs are awesome.
this is this is a very tough role
that there are sufficient funds to continue it through December of the calendar year because the administration is not requesting an extension of the law like we were talking about.
Maybe manpower or revenue sharing can help in some of this area.
It's not necessarily more money, but what it gives you is more flexibility
I got 33 members of city council, 31 are Democrats, 3 are Republicans.
I need a, a, a, a, a, a, a,
and then we'll worry about next year, next year.
Sure.
That's what you're talking about.
I'm worried about up to November from now on we can sit down and work it out.
I'm pretty sure.
Wouldn't it be more helpful if we're all around for the first time?
I mean, she had a summer thing.
Well, I know this summer thing.
I don't want to handle it right.
I don't want to be able to .
Well, on the summer thing, we are working out some additional applications that are running right now that I think we're going to see working
Also, I don't want to announce this, and I'd like to wait until about June the 15th, June the 21st, before we get the money.
Because in the meantime, I can then start to satisfy or pacify some of the council, so I don't get into this kind of a box or a city council, realizing that a program like this is often made because it puts more kids down, so they transfer it to some other agency.
You know, that's run by the Democrats, and I want to get involved, like the Board of Executives.
We find that there was kind of an arm's width of argument here with the urging on the one hand to get their funds out so that they can be utilized or so that they can be planned for use during the summer.
And then on the other hand, wait until as late as possible to do that.
Well, we'll be prepared.
We've got enough people that are working on this.
And, you know, we've been working with your people and we anticipate additional help.
And so we're preparing our organization and getting ourselves accordingly.
I don't want an early announcement, so that the City Council doesn't drag on the meeting.
Well, we'll work that out, uh, and you'll do the evening if you'd like.
I checked with George on the, you know, timing and everything, because George has got a lot of balls in the air.
You both work it out directly with the Mayor's office as to what we do, right, George?
Yes, sir.
Get it out and I'll bring it down.
Big thing is this meeting will help the Mayor politically.
Oh, so they go?
Yeah, no question about it.
Let me tell you a thing that you've told me about Cleveland, let me tell you about Washington.
and that we got this painful problem of water getting to rest, and we're getting to the bottom of it.
It's embarrassing, and it's, you know, it's very, we will, we have got nothing to hide.
The main point is this government is going forward, and we were elected to do great things.
We were elected to go forward with the initiatives that have brought the world closer to peace than it's ever been since the end of World War II, and that's why the Russian summit is so effective.
domestic programs that have to do with the problems of your cities.
I mean, we're concerned about that.
They have the high priority that they should have.
That's why we're having you here as mayor.
We've learned from other mayors.
We're concerned, for example, about the whole problem of the immediate problem in the cities and so forth today.
People are worried about inflation.
In other words, we're taking the heat.
We're taking the heat.
The main point is, in terms of the attitude, you can just say that they have no concern.
We won a great victory in 1972, and right now we're going forward with what the people elected us to do, to bring peace to this world and to bring prosperity without war and inflation.
I might mention this in order to carry 20 of the 33 awards in the city of Cleveland.
That's the first time a presidential candidate has done that in the history of the city.
At least in my history, when everybody has known the last 30 years, they've all become ourselves.
My daughters tell me how great you are.
Oh, it's wonderful.
Yeah.
And the one thing that he fell in love with was, not Tricia, but Julie.
She came in one day at noon, and the crowd downtown were tremendous, and they all flapped in a mix of their chords.
She was on the stage as calm and as quiet, even as cool, and she made a beautiful little speech for the president.
We're going to get out of here.
We're going to get out of here.
We're going to get out of here.
We're going to get out of here.
We're going to get out of here.
We're going to get out of here.
This guy and his cabin is great.
It's one quick word.
We'll get out of here.
When he had the cabin meeting, I attended.
He did a lecture.
He had done his cross-section, the fellows you've ever seen.
He said, all right, here's the way we now run.
And I said, get their orders and all.
But the other thing is we're winning elections, mayor's elections, right now.
The height of it is yesterday in Annapolis, Maryland.
Yesterday, in 40% black, Oakland, California, admittedly, the guy won about the same percentage he won the primary.
But the point is, right here in Alexandria, the Republican Party is going to be wiped out by the prediction.
Of course they're going to.
We're going to have a couple of tough months.
And basically, there's going to be all sorts of cracking charges that are going to be out here some.
We're going forward with business in this country, and the country's going to remember that.
That's what we're going to be talking about when you're running next up here.
That's important.
Let me make this.
Can I talk a little bit?
Sure.
Of course.
One of the things, I understand Canadian politics probably better than any guy in the sense in Cleveland.
The two things I need, I may get them, I may not.
The two things I need to absolutely assure me of victory come hail or rain water.
are the press and the plane dealer.
Now, if the president is in a position, I don't know what... At the time, they were the plane dealer.
I know.
The press is Phipps Howard, and that would be essentially Howard in New York.
Now, the problem I have is that my Democratic opponent, who is a multimillionaire, has been in some business dealings with Roy Howard.
You get me.
Well, Vail is very close and friendly to yours, and he has a lot of respect for my regards.
I asked about him and so forth, and I'm like, oh, I hope you support him.
Go ahead.
I'll tell him that.
But the rest of the people, I don't know.
I know Jack Howard.
But what do you mean?
He might be in a position.
I'll tell you what you do.
We've got a way to tell Klein to come get over with Jack Howard.
Tell him everything that's manned before the chair.
And it may be a personal thing.
We'll do it.
We'll tell him.
We can't tell his name yet.
I haven't done it.
But the best thing is, the client will know who the guy is at the paper.
And maybe the paper does have a tongue.
That's true.
Maybe true.
You see the jack card can't control it.
But her client's the guy who does that.
He'll soften you around there and see what it's doing.
You may have called the jack card.
They have two minutes to yell out the gun.
Jack.
Jack.
This is a great old friend, great friend of mine.
He had a call, however, one step removed from it.
You know, just say, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look.
Thank you.
Thank you.
But you're here
from Hong Kong to America in August.
He'll be in Cleveland.
I'm arranging, you know, part of his national list there.
Cardinal Sleepay was here in Cleveland yesterday.
There are a million Ukrainians in the United States.
There are about two million Americans.
It would be wise if he could see you for two minutes and just, you know, say a handsome name or something.
It would be tremendous for the nationality, for that new majority to keep talking about that.
Every Ukrainian would be following my performance.