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I think I'm very close to the crunch period on this one.

Right.

And it might not be so bad.

Right.

These men come around and say,

Right.

That's right.

So I think our best thing is to consider very quickly having Ron go out and portray him.

Yes, she committed to me.

I was concerned about the CIA.

We didn't want to spread that.

Now, you better think.

And I think that's the other talk I'm allowed to do.

It's conceivable.

There's a piece of talk in the committee.

Yeah.

It's conceivable that it would be a judicious thing to put out enough to have it up and down and out of the way.

Because it's not going to happen.

That wouldn't exist.

I know that.

the whole goddamn thing out of the way.

In other words, what we have to think about, sir, is that possibility versus a long, bleak erosion.

Well, the Senate Committee can't do it.

It's the House that can't do it.

The House can't do it, but they'll probably make these things public, because

Not today, tomorrow.

We think Reverend Jackson is not going to do it for that.

He's under tremendous pressure, but he's standing up like a rock, as usual.

But Simonton is pushing like a solo pitch.

But we really ought to think about this as a tactic, and not discount it, even though it sounds terrible and we know it's unjustified.

But we're here in a goddamn gut fight to maintain human presence

And we've got a breaches meeting coming up.

Everyone knows the stakes.

Everything that was said in that cabinet meeting is exactly right in the context.

And you better just think about it.

But the point is that what they are interpreting that thing in the worst way is the interpreting fact that the meeting that I directed them to go over the sea waters and fix the case.

Yes, and they focused on the telephone call to Greg.

Which is what I was afraid they would do.

Did you talk to Walters?

That's right.

It just, that's why I was so upset.

So what about that?

We got a perfect answer.

Of course we did.

And that we're going to have to do.

I think we have to go public on this thing.

And that would ease the Bob and John problem as well.

The pressure there on everybody.

But the question is, do you want to go a little further?

Just what?

And, uh... What is a little further?

Well...

I don't know, and that's what we have to consider.

Maybe even say, oh yes, we knew there was a punter's on the verge.

We didn't know anything that they were doing, but we knew there was such a thing.

But I don't know.

It's a punter's on the verge.

Oh, is it?

Should we not pick that up and say, we didn't know about Watergate, we didn't know about what they did, but we knew about the capabilities.

So there was great concern that these people that we didn't know about were any of the CIA.

And your concern was that the institution would be damaged.

And you had to find out, god damn, was this a guy involved in it?

Now, that revelation.

Who's waiting for impeachment?

Sainz, who else?

Sainz, he wasn't as bizarre, wasn't as specific.

He just came running over, just being in touch with the committee, and he said, they're talking about it.

Well, you know, these bastards are old.

There are guys that have been talking about them for this for about two weeks.

Some people.

But I think what we get to be is cold and calculated and assessing more broadly.

Okay, got a lot of them.

I'm getting from that.

It had to have been pulled up and down, which we don't know damn well what the outcome would be.

Well, they... At the time...

They never even had one.

I mean, I would assume... You just put out a white paper.

Is that what you do?

What do you have in mind?

How it would be done?

Well, I said, we're on the way.

We're going to have a paper going.

I don't know.

But we've got to consider this as a strategy.

We do know we're going to have to go after that young thing.

To be first out on this thing.

Not to let this one sit.

On the lowest thing?

On the lowest thing.

We've got to get that young one.

But she just says that we think the President's concerned.

I'm sure it wasn't.

the record to be clear, the president was concerned about the board that he wanted.

In fact, some of the individuals involved here have been working to be what we call in our operation for the purpose of this second, whether or not there could be CID involved in the period.

and therefore directed that this meeting be held and this be explored to ensure that this did not come alive, that this was not the case.

As far as the name of Gray, the minors are trying to think about that and the fact that I sent Walters to Gray to fix the case.

Exactly.

But they don't think, and they forget what Gray, the rest of them doesn't.

Doesn't the Walters map, Tom, have something in it, the effect that I told Gray to go ahead with the investigation, or does it now?

I don't know.

Yes, it does.

It said that we should press, no matter how high it goes, whether it had a question mark after it, instead of a period.

So that it's sort of misleading if you're a suspicious worst-case guy, including the question mark after the Walters one.

So we should press the chronicle.

This is my function.

It isn't portrayed in the best, most positive way that it should be.

That's what I said.

I heard what I said.

I said, well, you've got to do your job, you know.

You really have to make a cold assessment of all this.

And it's the drip.

Right.

Or a straight drop.

And maybe even press for it.

Under the scenes.

You know, push it.

Push this.

And have it done.

And have it away.

And the decks cleared.

And you have the house on a boat on a field.

That was interesting.

I think you should consider it.

As a possibility, a hell of a favorite, but I'm saying you can't discount it.

Oh, I know that.

It's a tactic that I think would succeed.

I know it would today.

There's no question about that.

Why?

Three months from now.

I'm not so sure.

But these pastors, the way they're organized, the way they're systematically going at it, you know, right before they sit down.

You know, the witness today has spoken to him.

Who?

One of the plumber guys.

What did he say?

He didn't say that he talked to you, but he was guaranteed that this came directly from you.

This is one of the guys, one of the humans.

No, but he has something.

Huh?

What's the other one?

Marker.

I don't know.

It's a quarter.

I don't know.

He said it was a shirt that came directly from me.

The water he did?

No.

An offer for hands.

Oh.

We can expand the time.

Sure.

But what I'm saying, sir, is we...

months, committee, grand jury, constant, you see, if it's going to happen, if it's going to lead us to this, then goddamn, it's far better to get it down.

In fact, push to get it up and down, it's close.

Everything will be close from that point on.

It's far better just to get the hell out.

It is like hell.

It is not.

It cannot be.

I think the portions of the evil are so malignant at the moment.

I mean, these guys are four, and we're going to beat them this time.

All right.

First, we've got to get a game on it.

We're going to get out there and get out with this and put the...

I mean, it's...

I don't want any compromise in his situation, regardless of the fact that he would have just said that he would have dealt with this when he knew, and so forth.

I don't know about Graham, but Graham told the President to carry it as far as it goes, as high as it can go.

That's what we need, Graham, Deidre, and Walters.

And so I said, and I asked him, does Walters agree?

And he said, yes.

I said, yes.

And I didn't say, no, I don't know.

There's nothing like that.

No, it's just about, it's just about as positive as it actually occurred.