Conversation 941-006

TapeTape 941StartThursday, June 14, 1973 at 2:06 PMEndThursday, June 14, 1973 at 3:33 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;  Lewis, Hobart D.;  [Unknown person(s)]Recording deviceOval Office

On June 14, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Hobart D. Lewis, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 2:06 pm and 3:33 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 941-006 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 941-6

Date: June 14, 1973
Time: Unknown between 2:06 pm and 3:33 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

     President’s previous conversation with George P. Shultz
           -Shultz’s possible resignation

The President talked with Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis between 2:55 pm and 2:58 pm.

[Conversation No. 941-6A]

[Begin telephone conversation]

[See Conversation No. 40-108]
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[End telephone conversation]

     Personnel appointments and management
          -President’s previous conversation with Shultz
                -Roy L. Ash
                -Disagreement with decisions
                -William W. Scranton
                -Peter G. Peterson
                -Shultz’s role in administration
                      -Philosophy
                      -Trade bill
                -Shultz’s schedule, President’s schedule
                      -Leonid I. Brezhnev’s visit
                -Melvin R. Laird’s press conference
                      -Haig’s conversation with Laird
                -Bryce N. Harlow
                -Ash
                -Shultz’s views concerning Haig
          -Shultz’s conversation with Arthur F. Burns

     National economy
          -President’s program
                -Haig’s forthcoming meeting with Laird and Harlow
                -Officials’ support
                      -Avoidance of criticism
                -Burns’s views
                      -Gas prices

     Shultz
           -Conversation with Haig
                -Tenure in office
                -William P. Rogers

     National economy
          -President’s program
                -Press response
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                 -John B. Connally and Shultz
                 -Shultz’s response

White House staffing
     -Ash
           -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
           -Shultz
     -John D. Ehrlichman’s letter
     -Cole
           -Tenure in office
                  -Conversation with Haig
                  -Laird’s role
                  -Possible departure
                        -Ehrlichman’s persuasion to stay
           -Relations with Ash
     -Ash
           -Laird’s view
                  -Conversation with Haig
     -Role in personnel
           -Politics
           -Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
           -Harlow
           -OMB
           -Congressmen
     -President’s conversation with Shultz
           -Energy
                  -Role of Treasury Department
           -Scranton
           -Raymond K. Price, Jr.

Congressional relations
     -Barry M. Goldwater [?]
     -Watergate
     -Everett M. Dirksen

White House staffing
     -Shultz
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           -Relationships with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and Ehrlichman
           -Views on national economy
           -Scranton

National economy
     -President’s program
     -Energy
           -Scranton
                 -San Clemente, Key Biscayne

Press leads
      -Scranton
      -Brezhnev
      -Watergate

Personnel appointments and management
     -Shultz
           -Tenure in office
                 -Brezhnev visit
           -Loyalty
           -Forthcoming conversation with Haig
           -Role
           -Views on national economy
                 -Compared to John B. Connally
                 -Economics compared to politics
           -Possible replacement
                 -William E. Simon
           -Laird’s press conference
     -White House staff
           -Harlow, Laird, Ash
           -Ash
                 -Haig’s view
     -Shultz
           -Schedule
                 -Golf
                 -Forthcoming Haig conversation
     -Burns
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                -Forthcoming conversation with Haig
                      -President’s economic program
                            -Tax policy
                -Telephone call from Haig
           -White House staff
                -Laird
                -Scranton
                      -Shultz’s views on energy position
                            -Role of Treasury Department
                            -Haig’s conversation with Shultz

     National economy
          -President’s program
          -Possible Congressional action

     Congressional relations
          -Hugh Scott
                -Statement on Cambodia
                      -Henry A. Kissinger
          -Kissinger
                -Briefings of Congress, June 14, 1973 on “Year of Europe”
                -Number of visits
                      -Utility
                -William E. Timmons

     President’s schedule
           -Brezhnev
           -San Clemente

     White House staffing
          -Kissinger
          -Laird
          -Trust

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 2:58 pm.

     Ronald L. Ziegler’s schedule
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           -Kissinger briefing
           -Executive Office Building [EOB]

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 3:30 pm.

     White House staff
          -Kissinger
                -Press briefings
                -Return from travel
                      -Adulation

     National economy
          -President’s program
                -Option to remove controls
                -Executive action
                -Congress
                -Burns’s view
                -Labor
                -Haig’s forthcoming conversation with Burns
                -Delay
                      -Gas prices
                -Balancing labor
                -Wages
                      -Freeze
                -Response to President’s speech, June 13, 1973
                      -Telephone calls expressing support
                -Phase III
                      -Exports
                            -Congressional action

     Watergate
          -Ervin Committee hearings
                -Jeb Stuart Magruder
                      -Haldeman’s knowledge of perjury
                      -Haldeman’s telephone call
                            -John N. Mitchell
                            -Key Biscayne
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                     -Credibility
                     -Haldeman’s knowledge of perjury
                     -Questions
           -John W. Dean, III

     Personnel appointments and management
          -Shultz, Burns
                -Forthcoming conversation with Haig
                -Potential meeting with the President
                      -Brezhnev

Haig left at an unknown time before 3:33 pm.

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Well, what George is talking about is your sign.
He's reading out on me.
Hello?
Hello?
I hope you've been back from Europe.
Yes.
Not at all, not at all.
Oh, yes.
I have.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Well, the difficulty is that I'm not...
I'm pretty much shot for this week, since I will be going to work tomorrow, and I'm still in LA tomorrow, and I've got a depression for a week.
Yeah.
Oh, God, yes.
But I'm in California.
Uh, yeah.
If they have the pressure to visit me, you can do it.
Right, right.
All right, we'll do that.
That'll be fine.
All right, and I appreciate you considering it.
Bye.
It had to do with a number of things that, uh, some black man said he'd never had a fight with Roy Ash.
Uh, that he couldn't be moved to question this particular policy.
He showed that in the decision, which was water.
He was concerned.
He wasn't consulted when I was trying to
Pete Peterson.
Yeah, I was talking to Pete Peterson.
I was asked about it.
So, I just told him, that's just not true.
I told him, you know, sit on there and everyone else heard.
I said, we don't know who he's from.
He heard it.
He had a chance to come.
I spoke to him on a call.
I just, uh, I spoke to the name of it.
So, I told him, I said, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I heard it.
I said, no, I didn't mean to.
Your life is a conclusion.
Share your views with mine, and we can make a difference.
I'm glad you're here.
Second, I'm so jealous of you.
I'm proud of you.
I'm proud of you.
I'm proud of you.
I'm proud of you.
I'm proud of you.
I'm proud of you.
So I come in to agree to, I said, look, 10, I suggested you come to California and see 10 active Russians.
I said, we'll talk about it.
But, uh, it's obvious that he's tired.
He's furious, and, you know, or he says he doesn't want power, and it's obvious that he saw his role, and he snagged it by the way, and he says, oh, the last one, and he's been there, and said, well, he wouldn't care about it.
He wouldn't have to.
He's got to get the power, and, uh, he's got to do it.
He's got to do something.
He's got to control it.
He's going to layer it.
And I told him, you would give a glare of hell to that person.
But we were in the pump weather.
And Blair's coming for the balance of it.
The car was coming for the help.
He and Ash all the time.
We all worked together.
But I then, he said, I said, well, you know, I'll talk to him.
He likes you.
So that's great.
The fact of the matter is that, first, we can't have an interview made now.
He told me he had a bunch of other concerns, and I'm afraid we won't be able to solve them in a few weeks.
Markets have got to freeze.
So, that's it, um, I was in the hall of honor, and I actually did an argument with Mike yesterday, because he knows that he's the type of man who's afraid of money, and to do that he's got to spend two hours on what he should really be spending.
We can now.
And here, sir, I guess we'll leave the letter to somebody else.
How good and how horrible.
We've got to keep our own people.
They must not criticize this program.
We've done it before.
They know that well.
It's a close call.
But when I finally opened it, and Archer said he didn't know how to use the control, asking him to come up.
We don't know how it's going to be controlled.
Let's see what we can do.
Let it go up.
You know what I mean?
Everybody can point out these things.
It's, to me, is a kind of conduct that's in struggle in the industry.
All right.
Well, George has just said, you know, first we've got to talk to him.
I mean, because, you know, the event is over, you know.
I mean, we've got to talk to him.
All right.
Really?
Yes, he said he's tired and he wanted to leave.
And, uh, this thing yesterday was a hell of a thing for me, because the press is all pointing out this electric dichotomy over the show tonight.
So it didn't surprise me when I saw the press this morning.
Uh, I heard about how he's a big boy.
Take that.
Well, I see certain things from the grown-up.
A lot of these small things are going to help with the fight between Ash and Cole and Ash and Jules and Ash and everybody.
Let's start with something like this.
Yeah, that's right.
Let's keep Cole on board.
I talked to Cole before Larry came in and I explained to him why we had to get him.
He said he understood that instead.
He said that he had tried to leave here in January.
And that John had talked to him in the same room for a while.
Cole did?
Yes.
He said he wanted to leave then.
He said he's now ready to stay on as long as he's wanted.
But that he wants to leave.
I don't know if it's not eight years.
I understand that.
But he's, he's, he's had a hell of a fight with Ash.
I mean, an unbelievable fight.
That was raging, that's been raging.
Of course, I've been for about a period of, uh... Well, you've got to, you've got to meet that fight, isn't that?
Larry's showing it to you.
Yeah, well, and I've talked to Larry about it.
I've cut the Ash back.
I've come back and tested it, protected it.
Because Larry came in here with a meat axe out for Ash.
So I've got, you know, in the first place, Ash is no business person.
That's, that's hatred.
It's political.
Your own big guy has got to be clean of any politics.
He's got to be sort of a professional purist.
So I took that away from him.
I said, Ash, I didn't worry about it because that's going to go right over the price down.
We're going to have that thing.
As a matter of fact, I had to get that recommendation because it's called Office of Management, but they're supposed to put in names.
Oh, sure.
That's fine.
But not out of control.
He's calling big men all the time.
For you.
I don't see why in the world, I think part of the thing is that Joseph doesn't, you know, in a sense doesn't want to give up the energy.
Pregnant, I say, now look, Joseph, you should get out of the pregnancy.
Check your contribution.
You should get out of the energy.
Check your contribution.
You should get out of the pregnancy.
You know, I mean, I've tried to explain to him.
You ought to.
I've tried to explain to him about it.
Did he complain back then, Jimmy?
I'm surprised.
He said he's gonna write about Scranton.
You know, the message.
The message about him.
Well, Scranton, uh, as you know, uh, never really asked me what he was doing.
He really bought my heart.
I couldn't call him.
Great Christ.
Uh, yeah.
But he did look up.
I told him right afterwards.
All right.
Yes, sir.
We got enough this week.
What's up?
Low water again?
No, no.
I can see something.
I just don't think they agree with it.
Don't you bother.
Don't you.
I'll hold silence for you.
So there's stuff in the beginning about George's aggression and his success on the other side.
Yeah.
Well, let me say, I don't have any complaints at all about this.
I know why we did everything.
I knew these things would happen.
Everybody was shaken up.
You see, George had a very close relationship with John.
Particularly with John.
John and George were running the damn show.
He took me to some brothels, and he said to me, George, right beside me, also coming along to see Kamali, George sees all of his friends, old friends, giving him hell, and said, why are you deserted?
But we did the right thing, but you didn't meet Kamali.
We did it the right time, I don't know what, but I said, sure, we're going to catch some hell, and we'll have some controversy, but what difference does that make?
We have to be, right now, at this period, as strong as we could possibly be for what we're doing.
And there's no sense in kidding ourselves about it.
That's why I want to move with the energy and get it out and spread it.
And we'll be in touch to you there.
We're planning on that Saturday.
Is he willing to come?
I mean, there's no time for that.
He doesn't need to.
Just keep us game.
That'll be a good story out there.
That's good.
It's a good story, and we're going to need it.
We're going to need it during the week.
Thank God, the rest of us here is all peaking off at the right time.
Yes, sir.
Because we've got all the good stuff.
We've got the worst bad stuff.
We've got to be about that.
These guys are...
It's hard to not lose patience with somebody today.
God damn it.
They don't need everything in the other league.
Well, you would think, very frankly, at a time of pressure coming up and so forth and so on, that he would wait at least until after the round.
But neither here nor there, George from Chelsea is finding the way to cure himself.
He's a totally loyal, decent man.
And I want you to apologize to him.
I just said the other day to the general of the president.
He was so strong and brave in a personal sense.
And he doesn't feel that way about it.
I think he's scared because of the amount of his weight on him.
And that's the truth.
You've just got to say it, because he is the top economic man.
That's the main thing.
He advises me.
I agree with him.
I don't agree with Kant.
He is.
I agree with Jealousy, because he's smart.
You know what I mean?
On economics.
His politics are terrible, but his economics are superb.
So I don't make the politics happen.
Well, I think, I think it gives you a chance to try and think of everything you want.
Come on.
I could use a new box.
You see, I, I do think we're going to come to this.
If it comes to this, then we'll take a sign.
Here we go.
He's very good.
He's, he's very highly regarded.
He's, he's younger.
His patterns are sharp, so he's ready to run.
When it comes to this, it's down to this.
We don't want it until it's out of business.
I don't want it to let me.
It'll be nice to call them.
There's going to be some changes to another one.
But his idea of not being the soul of the past holds in the opinion that way.
Now, now, now, Mel should not have claimed to be broad.
Mel's very self-evident.
He's really this secret to defeat.
Well, he knows what he's doing.
Yeah, he knows what he's doing.
We're going to have some fun here with that guy.
Well, this is horrible to restrain that.
Metal, the culture's been mashed.
They're all ruined.
It looks like it's quite a battle.
Yeah.
But that's... Maze.
It's like that.
You get the other half of the people.
That's right.
Ash, I like Ash.
He's done a hell of a job here, and he hasn't been here in a while.
I don't know where he's at.
But for his own protection, he's got to pull his lines in when he's got these guys up out of their hands.
I mean, but that just occurred, man.
Because he, you know, he's sort of got this down pat.
And he's been the most cooperative guy I've dealt with since I've been here.
You know, he never questions it.
We call him and he disagrees.
It's fine.
It's fine.
Okay, whatever you want.
Thank God for a man like that.
He said he's a doer and he's just always, you know, does what's wrong.
Yeah.
I don't know.
You should have a good, kind chat at your convenience with George.
Do not play golf with him.
Then, what you can do is argue, I don't know, like, all right, we're only one that's off.
Maybe I'm second.
I'm just second.
He doesn't do much.
He's got a reserve of one.
He just gets that one.
Now, he'll go up and crack one.
You must not do it like that.
What are you going to tell him?
What are you going to tell him?
Tell him right now there are political and other reasons we can't have this.
Give us a chance, Arthur, and help us.
Give us at least a couple, three weeks.
Tell him over the next three weeks we cannot have this.
You better get him out and tell him that.
Yeah, then we're going to put in the sanctioned compulsors.
But we can't.
But they must be put in in a way that they can be acted upon.
Right, see, I just told you this.
I told you this.
Yeah, you got it back.
Right.
Well, that doesn't mean it's not an idea.
Sure, you don't bring a guy like Laird in here, but if you're shaking a hair or something like that, it will settle down very quickly.
See, he gets on board and they don't wonder what the weight of the spread is going to be.
But I need the strength precision to try.
I need the Laird precision to try.
Strength will not be known as an expert in this field, and I don't know how it is in the company.
So you did it such a sad way.
Sure, brother.
I said, right.
As soon as you called me, you called me first, wasn't it?
I said, right.
At five o'clock here and there.
Right.
And I told the other guys to start looking at you, and you called me again and said, you were not kidding.
And that's, that's a mixed package, you see, whether the trouble with strength is in the way he likes it or in the way he trusts it.
That is George's problem with strength.
George loves it.
George is the beloved strength.
That isn't his problem.
His problem is that there wasn't about it, I think.
Probably.
George wants to keep it.
Great.
Well, when he had his shots at him, we, we had long discussions on that.
We had three weeks.
And I told him that he wanted them.
Cleaning up the lines on it, was it his answer?
Can't do that, he can't do that.
Well, all in all, I had a cricket on the right hand side.
See?
This is just right.
Whatever they do in this piece of commerce and the rest of it, they're irreverent, I guess, but...
Not yet.
But the main thing is, she just dug a hole.
She dug a hole for that band of conkers.
You understand?
Al, that was my 80-degree scratch.
I knew where we were going.
We've got a lot of them.
He's busy on the weekend.
Can't hold him for too long.
I don't know.
Scott and Chuck are close.
And today?
Another tiger.
Stir it up.
It's over.
Come on, can't hold him.
Another tiger.
He can stir it up.
We've never seen him.
But he did very well.
People tell me he got an ovation in both places.
It's insane.
He was a good son.
I promise you some facts.
Hear, hear.
I'm not going to yell at him, but in Congress it looks like he's smiling at me.
I'm not going to leave him there until he gets to me.
I don't know what day it is.
I don't know what year it is.
I don't know what time it is.
I don't know what time it is.
I don't know what time it is.
I don't know what time it is.
I still think we got to make our homes very well this week.
I think it's going to be pretty easy.
And so is everybody else.
It's a whole new long way to go.
And that's good.
We can sit down around this town and dredge in our clothes.
Thank God.
And operate out there and operate in a whole new atmosphere.
You know, Henry is going to like that.
You know, the two guys don't really trust each other, don't they?
So, they both... Don't bother.
Well, Harry and his, uh, love, uh, yes, he, uh, he kicked my sloy in the eye.
All that I do is send him a bell off so that he's courteous.
Ha, ha, ha, done.
Ha, ha, ha.
Did that happen?
No, but, um,
I think y'all seem to have the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand, the right of hand,
And we've taken the wind out of the Congress's sails, let's face it, on this issue.
We're hard to burn to get up there and move around about it.
But the labor, I don't see those Congress employees, but the labor out there, that's the gas, the pump, what the hell, you've got a better answer.
I'm sure you've got it out here.
Oh, that's my church.
I think I put a contract in seeing how bad that is.
It's probably not as bad as it sounds.
I think that's where the church is.
He says, I'm just going to carry on with it.
I just tell him, I said, please hold on for a couple of weeks or give us a chance.
He asked if I could be on a safe suit.
I said, you know, a safe one is the price.
And there are some very, very bad instances of change.
But as far as the balance is concerned, on labor, that's a direct move toward one of these.
And that's the only thing sudden coming out of it.
The morning was a gift.
They are responsible.
They will not be broken.
As long as they are responsible.
See that?
I thought that was very, very good.
That's easy.
Sweet ass.
That's pretty good.
That's almost all of the pro-telephones.
We had 60% of those calls were unfavorable.
Catch on.
No, no, no.
It could be an attack on us or something.
That would be.
It's just like a mix of only sharp, about 10-degree violence.
It was essentially bad news.
I don't think so.
I mean, that's pretty damn good.
Probably a little more intense.
I need to go back now to the tree.
You can't go away too slow.
Yeah, leave it there.
I think it's starting to be done.
Go forward to phase three.
I wish you luck.
Plus, probably the export of meat and cutlery.
Suppose, what do you think of that?
I think we would have had the Senate vote very perfectly.
Which would have been the candidate?
We would have had some delay if we had fought a belated opponent on the House side for maybe two weeks, three weeks.
Then we would have had more bats in the distance, if you know what I mean.
I'll let you come and relax over in Rome.
Well, we got a 30 day recruiter.
Do you want him?
Yeah, I got a recruiter.
He's here about 10.
Do you want him?
He's here about 30 minutes.
I'll see him.
I'm just sorry that Bob knew about this.
Oh, what would that picture mean?
What he said was that, uh, when they, when they, when they, uh, when he broke, uh, he kept about causing his own music to see the stage, which he...
I'm sure he wasn't about that.
I'm sure he wasn't.
And then he was called back to Washington to get it straightened out.
Rod told him to get it straightened out.
Well, there was a little bit of a fight there in the discussion, so it wasn't very clear.
And finally, they nailed that 50 down.
Before you testify, that you were not hurting yourself.
I'm just going to say this.
You've got to find the truth, Rod.
He's lying so often.
That's right.
He's a questionable witness for a long time.
I found her.
It didn't hurt.
It would be nothing enough to indict mine.
You didn't know all this, did you?
Correct.
I would have gone with a gunman if he did.
Like a camp man.
He is, and it's one of those kind of things somebody else is doing.
Somebody else on the line can still read it.
I'm going to see if the President of the United States will read it.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'll read it.
I've never saw it before.
You didn't say that's how it happened?
Um, I didn't get, I didn't get it, but I was in the farmer's channel, so I always knew I just worked on reading this as a god damn thing.
I got, you know, I got right at the end of the test when they were building it up.
Uh, and I heard, you know, he said, he said he didn't call the level before he got it, but, you know, he heard it himself.
You tried not to answer the questions that got in.
These guys can ask you what you assume and what you think his view was.
That's...
No, there are less.
They find another witness.
I mean, it's just one man's word against another.
The jury will need one man again.
But they have to prove some place and time, so... How did you know?
Who's there?
What was said?
Being the way he was sort of squeezed down with a lot of leading questions and a lot of assumptions, I decided to find one out.
I could have gotten that in court because of what I was just looking at.
I was looking at the other.
All right.
Well, we're going to explain ourselves.
Huh.
Yeah, we also have steam.
You're right.
There's got to be love inside.
There's a constant thing in here.
No, Maxwell was killing us, wasn't he?
You know, this is nothing else at all.
Nothing at all now, except for this.
Well, you know, Dr. George, I think you ought to go out in the heart and say, for God's sake, to the person who does it.
He wants to see you.
I don't want to see you.
I don't want to see you.
I don't want to see you.
I don't want to see you.
I don't want to see you.
I don't want to see you.
I don't want to see you.
I don't want to see you.
I told him he would give a layer of hell to that person.
On the other hand, Laird's stomach was balanced and I should have harbored him at all.
He and Ash all the time.
We all worked together.
But, uh, I then, he said, I said, the only man I thought was going to survive.
He likes you, so that's great.
The fact of the matter is that, uh, first we can't have an interview made now.
Uh, he told me he had a bunch of other concerns, and I'm very, um, strong on this, but it didn't take weeks.
Markets have got to freeze.
So, uh, so that's it, um, I was in the Hall of Fame.
I actually do not get quite as good because he knows that he could talk a man great enough to me to the fact that he could have spent two hours before we should leave the channels.
But if we can, I'll come here, sir.
I guess we'll meet in a letter or something else.
I'll give him that hard one.
We've got to keep our own people.
They must not criticize this program.
We've got to be for it.
They know damn well it's a close call.
But I've got my hope.
And Archer said he didn't know how to use the control.
Ask him to come up.
We don't know how it's going to be in control.
We've got to let it go up.
You know what I mean?
Everybody that thought of these things, it's, to me, it's a kind of conduct that's in the struggle of the industry.
What do you all like?
Well, what George is saying is that, you know, first we've got to talk about it, because we're ready to go to the end.
We can't be both, you know.
In fact, he came on before I talked to you online.
Really?
Yes, he said he was tired and he wanted to leave.
And, uh, this thing yesterday was a hell of a blame for me, because the press is all pointing out there's a mixture of dichotomy odor from the shorts and that.
So it didn't surprise me when I saw the press this morning.
I heard about how he's a big boy.
Take that.
Well, I see certain things can be grown out.
A lot of these small things have been a hell of a fight between an action, coal, and an action.
Chokes, and an action.
Everybody's just stuck with stuff like this.
Early on, it's trying to get across to each other.
Uh, yes, and either way, that's right.
A city coal report.
Yeah.
Oh, it's all right.
We are pumped and pumped on that.
I talked to Cole before Larry came in and I explained to him why we had to get him.
He said he understood that instead.
He said that he had tried to leave here January, and that John had talked to him in the same room for a while.
Cole did?
Yes.
He said he wanted to leave then.
He said he's now ready to stay on as long as he's wanted, but that he wants to leave.
I don't know if it's not eight years.
I don't know.
I understand that.
But he's, he's, he's had a hell of a fight with Ash.
I mean, an unbelievable fight.
There, that was raging.
That's been raging.
Of course, I prefer about a period of, uh... Well, you've got to, you've got to initiate that fight, isn't that?
Larry's showing it to you.
Yeah, and I talk to Larry, but I've cut with Ash back.
I've come back and tested and protected.
Because Larry came in here with a meat axe out for Ash.
So I've cut, you know, first by saying there's no business in person.
That's hatred.
It's political.
Your OMB guy has to be clean of any politics.
He's got to be sort of a professional purist.
So I took that away from him.
I said, actually, I didn't worry about it because that's how the letters and the price down were going to end, I think.
For you.
I don't see why in the world, I think part of the thing is that Joseph doesn't, in a sense, doesn't want to give up the energy.
The price, I say, now look, Joseph, you should get out of the price.
You should get out of the energy.
You should get out of the price.
You know, I mean, I've tried to explain to him.
He ought to.
He should have prayed that you wouldn't go.
Did he complain back then, Jimmy?
I'm surprised that he didn't.
Don't worry about it, Frank.
It's not a message.
It's a message from us.
Well, Frank, as you know, uh... Now, we have to look at what you're doing.
Well, I heard you call him.
Ray Price.
Uh, yeah.
If you do it, guys, I'll call you right afterwards.
All right.
Yes, sir.
We got it out this week.
Let's go to the water game again.
No, no.
I can see something.
I can see something.
I'm just trying to agree with you.
Don't you bother.
Don't you bother.
I'll have a silence for you.
So there's stuff in the beginning about George and the aggression and the success all over the country.
Well, let me say, I don't have any complaints at all about this.
I know why we did everything.
I knew these things would happen.
Everybody was shaken up.
You see, George had a very close relationship with John.
Particularly with John.
And John was always the one who would stand and show.
We did it the right time, I don't know what, I'm sure we're going to catch some hell on it, and we'll have some controversy, but what difference does that make?
We have to be, right now, at this very moment, as strong as we can possibly be for one another.
And no sense kidding ourselves about it.
That's why I want to move with the energy and get it out and spread.
And we'll be in touch to you there.
So we're planning on that Saturday.
Is he willing to come, you think, to sign my money?
Or does he just keep us game?
That'll be a good story out there.
Is that right?
It's a good story, and we're going to need it.
We're going to need it during the week.
Thank God, the rest of us here is all peaking off at the right time.
Yes, sir.
Because we've got all the good stuff, but the worst bad stuff is coming.
It's heavy about that.
It's hard to not lose patience with somebody.
God damn it.
That will mean everything in the other people.
Well, you would think, very frankly, at a time of pressure coming up, and so forth and so on, that he would wait at least until after the round.
But neither here nor there, George from Chelsea is finding ways to cure himself.
He's a totally loyal, decent man.
And I want you to talk to him, and I just said the other day, that you're quite the president.
You're so strong and brave, and you're precious.
And he doesn't feel that way about it, because they're not his way of life.
And that's the truth.
You've just got to say it, because he is the top economic man.
That's the main thing.
He advises me.
I agree with him.
I don't agree with Collins.
He is.
I agree with Johnson, because he's smart.
You know what I mean?
On economics.
His politics are terrible, but his economics are superb.
So I don't make some politics out of it.
Well, I think, I think it gives you a chance to try and think of everything you want.
Come on, I'd like to tease him, and he'd go off and see.
I, I knew that he was going to come to this.
If it comes to this, it would be a good sign.
Pretty good.
He's very good.
He's, he's very under-regarded.
He's, he's younger, he has patterns and charts, and he's ready to run.
Who comes to this account for this?
We don't want to tell her.
I'm so sorry.
This is so standard.
I don't want to let her.
It'll be nice to call her.
There's going to be some changes.
There's going to be some changes.
There's another one.
But his idea of not being the soul of the person that has hold him in the opinion of that player, he can't, not, not, not, Mel should not have claimed to be broad.
Mel is very unsettled in every moment of his life.
He's really in this... ...secret to the... to the beat.
Well, he knows what he's doing.
Yeah, he knows what he's doing every single night.
We're gonna have some fun there with that guy.
Well, this is horrible to restrain mountains.
Metal to help your stand ash.
You're over.
Looks like it was quite a battle at the end.
Yeah, but that's... Maze.
Push it like that and you'll get down on half the people.
That's right.
Ash, I like Ash.
Well, he's done a hell of a job here, and he hasn't been here in a while.
I don't know where he's at.
But for his own protection, he's got a close one to him.
He's got these guys up out of the ribbons.
And he's been the most cooperative guy I've dealt with since I've been here.
He never questions it.
He calls up and he disagrees.
It's fine.
It's okay.
Whatever you want.
Thank God for a man like that.
He's a doer.
He's just always
I don't know.
You should have a good, kind shot at your convenience with George.
I do not play golf with him.
Then what you can do is argue, I don't know, like, we're only one that's off me, but I'm second.
I'm just second to God.
He didn't do it, but he deserved it.
He just didn't get one.
Now he'll go up and crack one.
You must not do it like that, sir.
I didn't make it along very well.
What are you going to tell him?
What are you going to tell him?
I don't remember.
You tell him right now there are political and other reasons he can't have this.
Give us a chance, Arthur, and help.
Give us at least a couple, three weeks.
Tell him over the next two to three weeks, he cannot have it.
So, I think you'd better get him out and tell him that.
Yeah?
Then we're gonna put in the snack supporters.
But we can't.
But they must be put in in a way that they can be active about it.
Gracie, aren't you supposed to be just doing what you're supposed to be doing?
Yeah.
Be right back.
Well, that doesn't seem to be expected of you.
Sure, he'll bring a guy like Laird in here that can shake a hairy body like that, and it will settle down very quickly.
See, he gets on board and they know what their, what the weight of his presence is.
Well, I need the strength to say he's a truck.
I need the Laird to say he's a truck.
Strength will not be known as an expert in this field, but know that it is in the company.
So you did it just as fast as me?
Sure, brother.
See, and I was doing this, and you called, you literally called me first, wasn't you?
But I... That went on five o'clock the other day.
Right, and I told the other lads to start looking at you, and you called me again and said, you were not kidding.
And that's, that's a mixed package, you see, where the trouble with strength is in the way he likes it and the way he trusts it.
That is George's personal strength.
George loves it.
George is for the love of strength.
That isn't his problem.
His problem is that there wasn't about it, I think.
Probably.
George wants to keep it.
Great.
Well, when he had his shots at it, we, we had long discussions on that.
We'd had it for three weeks.
And I told him, if he wanted them,
Well, all in all, I think we're going to have to wait and see.
This is just great.
Whatever they do in this piece of commerce and the rest of it, they're going to get stuck.
Not yet.
The main thing is to just judge the vote.
Judge the vote of that band of Congress.
You understand?
Al, that is my 80-degree strength.
I knew where we were going.
No, no.
I can't believe it.
I can't believe it.
I can't believe it.
I can't believe it.
I can't believe it.
I can't believe it.
I can't believe it.
But everything seems to turn around.
People tell me he's got a relation to both places.
It's a statement.
It seems as if the Sun accomplishes some acts here and there.
That's a yell for the Congress to reflect on the way the international people get today.
I don't know what day it is.
I don't know what time it is.
I don't know what time it is.
I don't know what time it is.
I don't know what time it is.
I don't know what time it is.
I still think we got to make our homes very well this week.
I think it's going to be hard to do.
And so does everybody else.
It's a whole new long way to go.
And that's good.
We can get down out of this town and stretch out the roads and operate out there and operate in a whole new atmosphere.
You know, Henry is in the light of that, you know, and the other two guys don't really trust each other, you know.
So, it's something they both... Mark, I'll say there's a cross-street street with Dr. Gister in this briefing.
It's an ADOE briefing.
Mark, let's check that out.
Don't bother.
Well, Henry, I'm his... Oh, he loves to read.
Yes, he, he came back to me and said, all that I do is sit here with my little arms up and just freeze.
Ha, ha, ha, done.
Did that happen?
No, but, um, I think he also had the right, the right, the right thing to say to me, um,
Whatever we put on him, take off.
This is a real jumping carpet.
We're not going to look for carpet.
This is a second match.
and we've taken the wind out of the country's sails let's face it on this issue we're hard to burn to get up there and move around about with labor I don't see those congress employees with labor on their heads and that's the gas and the pump what the hell do you got a better answer I'm sure you got it out here
I like my church.
I think I'm going to come back and see how bad that is.
It's probably not as bad as it sounds.
I'm going to come back to the church and see how bad it is.
He says, all right, let's carry on.
I said, just tell her, please hold on for a couple of weeks and give us a chance.
We asked the company.
We don't say soon.
We're just saying, you know, let's see what happens to the price.
And there are some very, very bad instances of change in the world as far as balances in time on labor.
But that's a direct move toward one of these.
And that's the only reason I'm coming out.
The warning was, if they are responsible, they will not be responsible.
As long as they are responsible.
See that?
I thought that was very, very good.
That's easy.
That's what it is.
That's pretty good.
That's almost all the pro-telephones call.
We had 60% of those calls were favorable.
No, not 50% of them were favorable.
It was essentially bad news.
I think that's pretty good.
Probably a bit more intense.
You want me to cut it?
No.
I need to do it by now.
I'm going to have to wait.
You cut it all the way and keep it slow.
Yeah, leave it right there.
The first thing I decided to do was not go forward in phase three.
I missed the boat.
Plus, probably the export of meat and cutlery.
Suppose, I should go now.
I think we would have had the Senate vote very early.
Which we couldn't have.
We would have had some delay if we had fought in the later room, in the House side for maybe two weeks, three weeks.
Then we would have had more vast resistance in general meetings.
Well, they got a recruiter.
Do you know him?
They got a recruiter.
He's here about a minute.
Do you know him?
He's here about a minute.
I'm just sorry that Bob knew about this.
Purchase.
Purchase.
Purchase.
Oh, what would that mean to me?
What he said was that, uh, when they, when they, when they, uh, when he broke, uh, he kept about closing his own music, uh, to the stage, which, uh, he... What good it was for Bob?
What good it was.
And then he was called back to Washington to get it straightened out.
Bob told him to get it straightened out.
Well, there was a little bit of play there in the discussion, so it wasn't very clear.
And finally, they nailed that 50-0.
Before you testify, that you were not hurting yourself.
You just had to see it.
You've got to make something true for him.
These lights are off.
That's right.
He's a person who will witness this for a long time.
Without her, it would be a different person.
It would be enough, enough to indict mine.
You know, Floyd.
Come in.
I'll find the proper gunman.
Take the camera in.
Yes, and it's one of those things that somebody else is doing.
Somebody outside of the white house.
And it's so weird.
I'm sorry about that.
It's okay.
I'm going to see if the president of the United States will be here.
No.
No?
No.
I'll read it.
I've never saw it before.
I didn't get, I didn't get that part.
I was in the farmer's channel, so I always wanted this first time reading.
This is the god damn thing.
I got, you know, I got right at the end of the test when I got to build him up.
But, after a year and a half, he said he didn't call it.
I thought it was the point of a year and a third year or so.
You tried not to answer the questions that got in.
These guys can ask you what you assume and what you think his view was.
That's...
Who's there?
What was said?
Being the way he was sort of squeezed down with a lot of leading questions and a lot of assumptions, I decided to find someone else.
I could have gotten that in the courtroom because of what I was just looking at.
I was looking at somebody out there.
All right.
Well, we're going to fix ourselves.
Huh.
Yeah.
You're right.
I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
Well, you can talk to George.
I think you ought to go out in the heart and say, for God's sake, to the person who does it.
If he wants to see me, I'm not going to see him.
I'm not going to see him.
I don't want to get into that.
You know what I mean?
There's nothing to be changed.
Yeah, but what the hell could it be?
Yeah, it's not good.
It's absolutely no good.
It's not the hell that it could be.
Thank you.