Conversation: 651-012
Prev: 651-011 Next: 651-013Start Date: 19-Jan-1972 11:19 AM
End Date: 19-Jan-1972 1:15 PM
Participants:
Bull, Stephen B.; Butterfield, Alexander P.; Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Nixon, Richard M. (President); Sanchez, Manolo; Harlow, Bryce N.;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:18:22
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:14:19
NARA Description:
On January 19, 1972, Stephen B. Bull, Alexander P. Butterfield, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, President Richard M. Nixon, Manolo Sanchez, and Bryce N. Harlow met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:19 am to 1:15 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 651-012 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 651-12
Date: January 19, 1972
Time: 11:19 am - 1:15 pm
Location: Oval Office
Stephen B. Bull met with Alexander P. Butterfield.
The President’s schedule
-Rehearsal of State of the Union Address
-Podiums
H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 11:19 am.
-Roosevelt Room
-Set-up
-Barber
-Speech draft
Bull and Butterfield left at an unknown time before 12:47 pm.
The President and Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 11:19 am.
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Weather
-Fina Sanchez
-Return to the White House
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Privacy]
[Duration: 35s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
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Sanchez left at an unknown time before 12:47 pm.
Economy
-Figures
-Herbert Stein
-Council of Economic Advisors [CEA]
-Gross National Product [GNP]
-Fourth quarter, 1971
-Rise
-Inflation rate
-Real growth rate
-Comparisons to first and second quarters, 1971, and third quarter, 1965
-Real growth rate
-Performance
-Second quarter, 1968
-General Motors [GM] strike of first quarter, 1968
-Effect on unemployment rate
-Third quarter, 1971
-Stein’s statement at White House staff meeting, January 19, 1972
-Invitation to White House dinner, January 20, 1972
-Paul W. McCracken
-Federal Reserve Board [FRB]
-Report of January 18, 1972
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Budget deficit
The President’s schedule
-Page Belcher
-Possible call from the President
-Clark MacGregor
-John C. Whitaker’s and Bryce N. Harlow ‘s possible meeting
-Desire for meeting with the President
-Work for administration
-Letter to the President
-Possible release to press
-Previous contacts with the President
-Tulsa trip on Air Force One
-Farm Bill
-Golf
-Whitaker’s and Harlow’s meeting
-Letter to the President
-Delivery to Harlow
-Publication
-Tone
-The President’s reading and disposal of letter
-Possible ending to farm legislation work
-Letter to the President
-Delivery to Haldeman
-Haldeman’s talk with Harlow
-Previous meeting with the President aboard Air Force One
-Length
Air Force One
-Congressional use
-Contact with the President
-Instruction to Haldeman
-Jack R. Miller
-Belcher
-Donald N. Rumsfeld
-Congressional use
-March and April 1972
-Alternate transportation and arrangements
The President’s schedule
-Trips around nation
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Departure from Florida
-Accompanying congressmen
-Return to Washington, DC
-Charles H. Percy
-Chicago
-Reasons for flying Air Force One
-Belcher
-Letter to the President
-Harlow
-Timing
-Cabinet dinner
-Golf
-Harlow
-MacGregor
-Golf
-Leslie T. (“Bob”) Hope
-The President’s talk with Belcher
-Belcher
-Age
-Leslie C. Arends
-Miller
-MacGregor
-Harlow
-Location
-Belcher’s letter to the President
Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:19 am.
Harlow
-Meeting with the President
-Letter
-Schedule
Bull left at an unknown time before 12:47 pm.
-Butterfield
Rose Bowl tickets
-Recipient [Unknown Long Beach City College Student]
-Publicity
-Heroism
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Peter J. Pitchess recognition program
-Commendation
-Call from White House
-University of Michigan-Stanford University football game
-Stanford University
-Publicity
-Introduction by Attorney General [John N. Mitchell]
Herbert G. Klein
-Stories
-Publicity
The President’s telephone calls
-Possible story
-Memorandum from the President to Haldeman
-Hugh S. Sidey
-Helen A. Thomas
-Memorandum
-Location
-Publicity value
Middle East
-Negotiations
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Previous conversation with Haldeman
-Negotiations
-Yitzhak Rabin
-Forthcoming meeting with Joseph J. Sisco, January 19, 1972
-Rabin
-Talk with Kissinger
-Kissinger’s view
-Soviet Summit
-Soviet summit
-Planes
-Sisco
-Rabin
-Kissinger
-Possible agreement
-Timing
-Egypt
-Soviet Union
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
Kissinger
-Attitude
-Tenure
-John N. Mitchell’s and Haldeman’s action
-Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Self criticism
-Previous conversation with Haldeman
-The President’s interests
Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:19 am.
Harlow
-Schedule
-Presentation at Madison Hotel
-Return to White House
-Meeting with Donald Rumsfeld
-Meeting with the President
Bull left at an unknown time before 12:47 pm
Kissinger
-Self criticism
-Views on Israeli situation
-State Department
-Meeting with Moshe Dayan, 2/72
-Haig
-Attitude
Jordan
-Planes [F-104s] to Pakistan
-Story in Indian press
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[National Security]
[Duration: 25s ]
[Subject: Intelligence]
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
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-U. Alexis Johnson’s meeting with Haig, January 17, 1972
-Legality of sending planes
-Press interest
-J. William Fulbright and associates
-US aid to Pakistan
-Restrictions on use of US aid by other countries
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9
[National Security]
[Duration: 7m 58s ]
[Subject: Intelligence]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9
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-Press story
-Liberia or Nigeria
-Rogers
Joseph W. Alsop column
-Kissinger leak
-Rogers
-Mitchell and Haldeman
-Rogers’ view
-Mitchell’s and Haldeman’s views
-Kissinger’s schedule
-Sources
-Alsop’s conversation with Haig
-[Forename unknown] Elkins [?] of State Department
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Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[National Security]
[Duration: 24s ]
[Subject: Intelligence]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
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-Rogers’ reaction
-Kissinger’s reaction
-Other columnists’ columns
-Kissinger’s possible contact with Alsop
-San Clemente
-Rogers’ view
-Alsop
Kissinger’s conflict with Rogers
-Memorandum from the President to Rogers and Kissinger
-Rose Mary Woods’ preparation
-Haldeman’s conversation with Mitchell
-Mitchell’s views
-Foreign policy and political concerns
-Woods
-State of the Union Address
[Haldeman talked with Woods at an unknown time between 11:19 am and 12:47 pm.]
[Conversation No. 651-12A]
-Status
[End of telephone conversation]
-Mitchell
-Rogers
-Kissinger
-Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Schedule
-Rogers
Kissinger directive
-Mitchell and Haldeman
-Informing the President
-Rogers’ negotiations
-Rabin
-Dobrynin
-Egypt
-Dobrynin
-Kissinger
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[National Security]
[Duration: 2m 01s ]
[Subject: Intelligence]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
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Chile
-Loan
-John B. Connally
-Salvador Allende Gossens
-White House
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10
[National Security]
[Duration: 43s ]
[Subject: Intelligence]
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10
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-Information to the President
-Procedure
-Treasury Department
Alsop column
-Alsop’s possible contact with Kissinger
-Kissinger’s protests
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 11
[National Security]
[Duration: 50s ]
[Subject: Intelligence]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 11
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-Rogers’ meeting with Mitchell and Haldeman, January 18, 1972
-Return to White House
-Kissinger conflict with Rogers
-Mitchell
-Relations with Kissinger
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12
[National Security]
[Duration: 4 m 18s ]
[Subject: Intelligence]
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12
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Anderson Papers
-News summary
-Patrick J. Buchanan’s views
-Kissinger’s office
-Buchanan’s memoranda to the President
-Haldeman’s talk with Buchanan
-Distribution of copies
-Ronald L. Ziegler
-Haldeman
-MacGregor
-Ehrlichman
-Kissinger
-Buchanan’s analysis
-Distribution
-Kissinger
-Harry Reasoner
-Kissinger’s knowledge of event
-Buchanan’s analysis
-Kissinger
-Kissinger
-Knowledge of reports
-Relations with White House staff
-Buchanan
News summary
-Buchanan
-Work
-Distribution
-Timing
-Leaders meetings
-White House staff
-Television talk shows
-Television reports
-Perspective quality
-Newspaper reports
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
White House staff
-Schedule
-January 18, 1972
The President’s schedule
-January 18, 1972
-Raymond K. Price, Jr., William L. Safire
Safire
-Speech on Vietnam peace plan
-Work with the President
-Contacts with Kissinger
-Kissinger’s view
-Television
-Background
-Relations with Kissinger
-Speech on Vietnam
-Compared with Kissinger’s first draft
-Relations with Kissinger
People’s Republic of China [PRC] trip
-Staff
-Safire
-Possible communiqué
-Kissinger, Rogers
-Price
-Buchanan
-Insertion of personal opinions in communiqués
Safire
-Contact with Kissinger and Rogers
-Vietnam speech draft
-Compared with Kissinger’s
-Credit for negotiations
-Agent role
Kissinger
-Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] special
-Timing
-PRC trip
-Possible handling
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Opening for “China special”
-Charge of favoritism
-Recognition for Kissinger
-White House control
-Possible value
Prime time broadcast
-Rogers
Rogers
-Conflict with Kissinger
-Effect of Kissinger’s involvement in CBS special
-The President’s interest
-Haldeman’s and Mitchell’s views
-The President’s concerns
-Kissinger’s reaction
-Effect on work
-Appearance on TV specials on PRC
-Accomplishments
-Cultural and trade aspects of trip
-Political aspect
Cabinet
-Relations with Kissinger
-Rogers and Connally
Connally
-Administration role
-Value
-Compared with Rogers
Peter M. Flanigan
-Administration role
-Haldeman’s conversation with Connally, January 15, 1972
-Peter G. Peterson’s views
Connally
-Role as economic spokesman
-Policy-making
-Feasibility
-Monetary and trade issues
-Cabinet’s reaction
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Trade
-Rogers’ views
-Flanigan’s role
-Value of Connally’s judgment
-Compared with Flanigan
Government reorganization
-Major economic issues/problems
-Delegation of responsibility to departments
-Interaction
-Treasury Department
-Connally’s role as Secretary versus private role
Connally
-Role in international and domestic economic matters
-Delegation from the President
-Flanigan
-Council on International Economic Policy [CIEP]
-Interference with role as Treasury Secretary
-Staff
-Reductions
-Interference with role on Cost of Living Council [COLC]
-Effect on CIEP
-George P. Shultz and Ehrlichman
-Relations with the President and Connally-Workload
-Shultz’s role
-Relations with the President
-Commerce-State Department decision
-Reporting to Connally
-Connally’s responsibility compared with the President’s
-Relations with White House staff
-Flanigan
-Gold statement in Rome
-The President’s need for staff reports on issues
-Shultz
-Knowledge of trade
-Flanigan
-Connally’s talk with Haldeman
-Peterson
-Flanigan
-Acceptance by Connally
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Haldeman’s possible meeting with Connally
-Relations with White House staff
-Haldeman
-Lt. William L. Calley, Jr. decision
-Connally’s views
White House staff
-Relations with the President
-Decision-making
-Connally
Courts
-Reconfirmation of judges
-Connally’s views
-Precedent
-Theodore Roosevelt
-Forcible retirement of judges
-Supreme Court
-Franklin D. Roosevelt
-Court packing scheme
-Congressional views
-Otto E. Passman
-Hugh Scott
Connally
-Value to administration
-Increased monetary role
-Effect on bureaucracy
-Ehrlichman’s view
-George W. Romney
-Flanigan
-Drug issue
-Ehrlichman’s work
-Treasury Department
-Eugene T. Rossides
-Coordination with other departments
-Compared with Ehrlichman
The President left and returned at an unknown time before 12:47 pm.
Peterson
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Role with administration
-Flanigan
-Connally
Connally
-Role with administration
-Drug issue
-The President’s reliance on Connally’s political judgment
-Budget
-Compared with Shultz’s judgment
-Shultz’s knowledge of issue
-Economic and monetary matters
-Publicity
-Advisors
-CEA
-Shultz
-White House staff
-Treasury Department staff
-Flanigan
-Relations with bureaucracy
-Connally’s sensitivities
-Relations with the President
-Flanigan
-Trade
-Shultz’s views on free trade
-Political effect
-Protectionism
-Congress, American public
-Monetary settlements
-State Department
-Shultz
-Political effect
-State Department
-London negotiations
-Possible resignation
-Meetings with the President in California
-Relations with Cabinet and White House
-Japanese dinner
-The President’s reliance on Connally’s judgment
-Compared with Shultz
-Compared with Rogers and Melvin R. Laird
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Compared with Mitchell
-Campaign work
-Reconsideration
-Conversation with Idanell (“Nellie”) Connally
-Ranch
-Democrats’ attacks
-Relations with Cabinet and White House staff
-Haldeman
-Flanigan
-Bureaucracy
-Ehrlichman
-Shultz
-Paul A. Volcker
-Flanigan
-Dwight L. Chapin
-Possible resignation
-Flanigan
-Richard V. Allen
-Possible appointment as acting director of CIEP
-Confirmation
-Kissinger
-Peterson
-Flanigan
-Role
-Connally’s view
Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:19 am.
Harlow
-Arrival
-Location
Bull left at an unknown time before 12:47 pm.
Connally
-Possible meeting with Haldeman
-Resignation
-Conversation with the President
-Necessity for confidentiality
-Ehrlichman
-Leaks
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Meeting with Haldeman
-Staff assistant
-Flanigan
-Allen
-Loyalty
-Responsibility
-Flanigan
-Previous work on oil issue
Harlow
Connally
-Forthcoming meeting with Haldeman
Bryce N. Harlow entered at 12:47 pm
White House dinner, January 20, 1972
-Speakers
-Harlow
-Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
-Maurice H. Stans
-Clifford M. Hardin
-Walter J. Hickel
-Presence
-Winton M. Blount, Jr.
-Harlow and Moynihan
-Stans and Hardin
-Alcohol
Belcher
-Golf game with the President
-The President’s previous game with Hope
-Charity
-Relations with the President
-Golf
-Hope
-Health
-Attitude
-Secretary
-Agricultural legislation work
-Earl L. Butz
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Cooperation
-Possible meeting with the President
-Executive Office Building [EOB]
-Butz’s presence
-Duration
-Harlow’s presence
-Previous meeting with the President on plane
-Duration
-Compared with Thomas J. (“Tom”) Steed
-Agricultural legislation work
-Importance
-Meeting with the President
-Butz
-MacGregor
-Butz
-Relations with Belcher
-The President’s schedule
-Explanation of workload
-The President’s friends
-Congressmen
-Committees
-Letter to the President
-Delivery by Harlow
-Haldeman, Ehrlichman
-Meeting with the President
-Schedule
-Congress
-Alcohol preferences
Harlow’s schedule
-White House dinner, January 20, 1972
-Remarks
Harlow left at 12:56 pm.
Belcher
-Contact with White House
The President’s schedule
-John C. Whitaker
-Harlow
-MacGregor
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Work on agricultural legislation
-Desire to see the President
Kissinger conflict with Rogers
-Relations with the President
-Memorandum from the President
-Informing the President
-Mitchell’s view
-Rogers’ and Kissinger’s meetings with Rabin
-Exchange of information between Rogers and Kissinger
-Need to know
-Memorandum from the President
-Promises regarding informing procedures
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:56 pm.
Milton Pitts
-Arrival
Podium set-up
-Roosevelt Room
Bull left at an unknown time before 1:15 pm.
Kissinger conflict with Rogers
-The President’s memorandum
-Haldeman’s delivery to Kissinger
-Kissinger’s reaction
-Mitchell
-Clearance of information
-Kissinger’s position
-Administrative machinery
-1972 election
-The President’s memorandum
-Rogers’ possible question
-Routing of information
-Routing of information to the President
-Haldeman
-Maggie C. Runkle’s channel with Woods
-Kissinger’s reaction
-National Security Council [NSC] system
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Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Rogers
-Receipt by the President
-Laird
-Receipt by the President
-Kissinger
-Bulk
-Omission of tabbed items
-Kissinger
-Haldeman’s responsibility
-Cuba
-Soviet Union
-Middle East
-Cuba and Chile
-Jews
-PRC
-Chilean loan situation
-Rogers
-Connally
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
[National Security]
[Duration: 6s ]
[Subject: Intelligence]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
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-Sidney Weintraub
-Renegotiation
-Cuban representatives
-Meetings
-Chile
Connally
-Role in international economic matters
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Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Haldeman’s concern
-Flanigan meeting
-Relations with Cabinet
-The President’s instructions
-White House staff assistance-Flanigan
-Allen
-Trade
-COLC
-International monetary and credit operations
-Chilean loan
-Trade
-National security matters
-Connally’s staff
-Liaison with White House
-Budget ceiling statement
-Flanigan
-Connally’s views
-Allen
-Connally’s views
-Flanigan
-Work with the President on policy-making decisions
-Monetary affairs
-Trade
-Expropriation
-Loans
-Effect on Cabinet
-Liaison on White House staff
-Broker role
-Independence
-Rome meeting
-Loyalty
-Resignation
-Dealings with Haldeman
-Flanigan
-Flanigan
-Subservient role
-Staff work and coordination with other Departments
-Trade
-Flanigan
-Allen
-Flanigan
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
-Allen
-Peterson
-Rogers
-Execution and implementation of policy
-CIEP
-Rogers
-Peterson
Peterson
-Secretary of Commerce position
-Announcement
-Delay
-Portfolio
-Work with Ehrlichman
Flanigan
Peterson
-Meeting with the President
White House Staff
Cabinet
-Relations with the President
-Romney
Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:56 pm.
The President’s schedule
-Barber
-Rehearsal of State of the Union Address
-Draft of speech
-Woods
-Reading copy
-Appearance
-Lighting
-Podium
-Lighting
-Congress
-Electrician
-Podium
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(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 651-12 (cont.)
The President, Haldeman and Bull left at 1:15 pm.