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Start Date: 4-Jan-1973 9:03 AM

End Date: 4-Jan-1973 9:04 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Martin, Paul L.Ziegler, Ronald L.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Kissinger, Henry A.Bull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

833-010a.mp3

833-010b.mp3

NARA Description:

On January 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Paul L. Martin, Ronald L. Ziegler, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Henry A. Kissinger, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:03 am and 9:04 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 833-010 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 833-10

Date: January 4, 1973
Time: Unknown between 9:03 am and 9:04 am
Location: Oval Office

The President talked with Paul L. Martin.
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                                        Tape Subject Log
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                                                              Conversation No. 833-10 (cont’d)


[See Conversation No. 833-10A]

[See Conversation No. 35-84]

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 9:03 am.

[End of telephone conversation]

       Press relations
             -Ziegler’s schedule
             -Receptions
                    -Freshmen Congressmen and bipartisan Congressional leaders
                    -Wire services
                          -Helen A. Thomas
                          -Frances Lewine
                    -Friendly reporters
                          -Wives

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 9:05 am.

                   -Jerald F. (“Jerry”) TerHorst
                   -Nick Thimmesch
                         -Relations with White House
                   -Clark R. Mollenhoff
                   -Ted Knapp
                   -Fay Mills
                   -Louise Hutchinson
                         -Chicago Tribune
                         -Aldo Beckman
                   -Number to be invited
             Press conference
                   -Vietnam settlement
                         -News summary
                         -Richard Valeriani
                         -Talks in Paris
                         -The President's meetings with National Security advisors
                                -William P. Rogers, Melvin R. Laird
                                -Henry A. Kissinger, Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                         -Sensitivity of talks
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                                                      Conversation No. 833-10 (cont’d)

                 -Congressional leaders

Harry S. Truman Memorial service
     -[Thomas] Hale Boggs
     -Congressional attendees
           -Truman
     -Washington Post article
           -Heads of State visit with the President
     -Funeral
           -The President's attendance

Press relations
      -Announcements
             -Commissions
             -Gerald C. Smith
                   -Meeting with the President
             -National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
                   -James C. Fletcher
             -Assistant secretaries
                   -Agriculture Department
             -Secor D. Browne
                   -Civil Aeronautics Board
             -Earl L. Butz
                   -Poultry
      -Nixon loyalist list
             -Thimmesch, Mollenhoff
      -People not to be seen by staff
             -Alice Brinkel [?]
             -Hugh S. Sidey
                   -Time
      -Rogers
             -James B. (“Scotty”)Reston
                   -Kissinger
                   -Columns
             -Message discipline
                   -Compared to Cabinet, White House staff
                         -Kissinger

Roberto Clemente memorial fund
     -Richard A. Moore
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            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
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                                                  Conversation No. 833-10 (cont’d)

           -Press work
     -Press coverage
           -Television [TV]
           -Radio
           -Wire services
     -Daniel M. Galbreath
     -Local TV
     -TV
           -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
                 -Congress
                 -Interview with GI addicts
                       -Vietnam War
     -CBS
           -Bias
     -Impact on administration

Press relations
      -Vietnam War
             -GI addicts
      -White House staff
      -Vietnam War
             -Washington press corps
             -George S. McGovern
                   -1972 election
      -Charles W. Colson
      -Press posture toward administration

Clemente memorial fund
     -Richard Moore
           -Jim Murray
     -Gerald L. Warren
     -Sportswriters’ Association
           -San Diego
           -Arthur Daley [?]
                 -New York Times
     -Richard Moore
           -Murray
     -Advertisement
           -Super Bowl
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                                      Tape Subject Log
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                                                            Conversation No. 833-10 (cont’d)

Ronald L. Ziegler left at 9:20 am.

       Press relations
             -White House staff
                    -George P. Shultz, John D. Ehrlichman
             -Ziegler
                    -Concerns
             -CBS
                    -Report on Republicans
                         -Jacob K. Javits
                         -Charles H. Percy
                         -Edward W. Brooke
                               -Bombing resolution

       Julie Nixon Eisenhower
             -Schedule

       Rose Mary Woods
            -Meeting with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                   -Ned Sullivan
                   -Alexander Butterfield
                   -Stephen B. Bull
                   -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                   -People on vacation
            -Anne L. Armstrong
            -Julie Nixon Eisenhower

       Ziegler's list of loyalists

       Ehrlichman's meeting with President
             -Priority of Vietnam settlement
                   -Domestic affairs staff
                   -1973 Inauguration
             -William E. Timmons


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       [Dwight] David Eisenhower, III
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                 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                    Tape Subject Log
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                                                          Conversation No. 833-10 (cont’d)

           -Employment
                 -Capitol Hill
                       -Hugh Scott
           -Policy committee
                 -Wallace Johnson
                 -Thomas (“Tom”) C. Korologos
           -Congressional employment
                 -House of Representatives
                 -Experience
                 -Research assistant

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      Book by [First name unknown] Lott
           -Inaugural speeches of Presidents
           -Historian
                 -California
                 -1969 inaugural speech
                 -Possible employment
                       -Collection of speeches

      Government research programs
           -Ehrlichman
           -Budget cuts
                 -Massachusetts Institute of Technology [MIT]
                 -Written report
                 -James R. Schlesinger
                 -Caspar W. Weinberger
                 -Elliot L. Richardson
                 -MIT
                       -Harvard University
                       -Massachusetts’ state funding
                 -Defense Department budget
                       -Subsidies to higher education
                              -Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]
                                    -Weinberger
                       -Atomic Energy Commission [AEC]
                              -Schlesinger
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Feb-09)

                                                             Conversation No. 833-10 (cont’d)

                              -Contract work

Henry A. Kissinger entered at 9:31 am.

                  -University of California
                        -Operating funds
                              -Federal government
                              -Defense Department
                              -State government
                        -Professors' salaries
                              -Federal subsidies
                              -Weinberger
                              -George P. Shultz
                  -Report
                        -Funds cut
                        -HEW
                              -Weinberger
                        -Agriculture Department
                        -Transportation Department
                        -National Science Foundation [NSF]
                        -National Institutes of Health
                        -Subsidies for higher education
                  -Schlesinger
                  -Weinberger
                        -MIT
                  -Meeting with Ehrlichman

       Second term reorganization
            -Appointment of Dixy Lee Ray to AEC
                  -Schlesinger
                        -Chet Holifield
                  -Well run agency
                  -Schlesinger
                  -Ehrlichman
            -Arms Control and Disarmament Agency [ACDA]
                  -Smith
                  -U. Alexis Johnson
                        -Chief negotiator
                  -Budget cuts
                  -Weinberger
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Feb-09)

                                                          Conversation No. 833-10 (cont’d)

                  -Kissinger’s recommendations
                        -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                              -Background checks
                  -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
                  -Harold M. Agnew
                        -Los Alamos laboratory
                  -[Unintelligible name]
                        -Edward Teller
                  -Agnew
                        -Offer of job
                        -Los Alamos laboratory
                        -Defense of administration
                  -Los Alamos laboratory
                        -John S. Foster, Jr.
                              -Management skill
                              -Atomic Energy Commission [AEC]

       Rose Mary Woods

Haldeman left at 9:35 am.

       New Year’s card from Mao Tse-Tung
           -Chou En-Lai
           -Photograph
           -Publicity

       New Year’s card from Leonid I. Brezhnev

       Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
            -Brezhnev's children
                   -Tricia Nixon Cox
                   -Edward R. F. Cox

       Vietnam settlement
            -Kissinger's meeting
                  -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                        -Representatives
                        -The President's letter
                        -Response
                              -Authority
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            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. Feb-09)

                                                    Conversation No. 833-10 (cont’d)

     -Henry M. ("Scoop") Jackson
          -Kissinger’s note
          -Bombing
          -Negotiations
          -The President’s silence

Kissinger's dinner at Ar Cote Basque
      -Proprietor
            -Admiration for the President
            -Wine
      -Response by patrons
            -United Nations [UN]
            -Support for the President
            -New York City
            -Basques
            -Jews

Second term reorganization
     -The President's dinner with Haig
     -The President's meeting with Ziegler
           -Loyalists
                 -Harry S. Dent
                 -Seeding of government
                 -Consultation with White House
     -Haig
           -Relationship with Kissinger
                 -Informant
           -Responsibilities in Defense Department
                 -Vietnam settlement
                 -Memorandum
                       -Change of command
                 -Laird
                       -Bombing
                 -Adm. Thomas H. Moorer
                 -Richardson
     -The President's meeting with Richardson
           -Kissinger's presence
                 -Moorer
                 -William P. Clements, Jr.
                 -National Security Council [NSC] system
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             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
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                                                       Conversation No. 833-10 (cont’d)

                  -Intelligence system0
                         -Cuts
                         -Redundance
     Laird
             -Defense Program Review Committee
             -Richardson
                  -Team player
                  -Leaks

Vietnam settlement
     -Haig
           -Trip to Puerto Rico
                 -Nelson A. Rockefeller
           -Talk with New York Jews in Puerto Rico
                 -Support for bombing in Vietnam
                 -Compared to Congressional opinion
     -Kissinger’s visit to Palm Springs
           -Ted Hewitt [?]
                 -CBS's “60 Minutes”
                 -Hollywood
           -Billy Wilder
                 -B-52s
                 -Support for the President
     -Morale of staff
           -Ziegler, Haldeman
           -Ehrlichman, Shultz
           -Congressional relations
     -Public support for the President
           -Possible breakdown of negotiations
                 -1972 election
     -Trip to New York
           -Nancy Maginnes
                 -William F. Buckley, Jr.
           -Dinner
                 -Ar Cote Basque restaurant
                 -Patrons’ support for the President
     -Morale of staff
           -Haldeman, Colson, Ziegler
     -Kissinger’s meeting with PRC representatives
           -Instructions from Peking
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                                                       Conversation No. 833-10 (cont’d)

           -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
           -Dealings with Vietnamese
           -Letter to the President from Chou En-Lai
                 -Greetings
                 -Letter from the President to Chou En-Lai
                        -Tone
           -Shanghai Communique
                 -Hegemony
                 -Potential trouble in Asia
                        -Indo-China
                        -US role

Second term reorganization
     -Richardson
     -Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs
           -Richardson
           -Jonathan Moore
           -Haldeman’s role
           -Helmet Sonnenfeldt
           -Lawrence Eagleburger
           -Jonathan Moore
           -Liason with NSC
           -Jonathan Moore
                 -Leaks
                 -Dove
                 -Position on Cambodia
                       -Compared to Richardson
           -Sonnenfeldt
                 -Deputy
           -Eagleburger
                 -Loyalty
           -Sonnenfeldt
                 -Richardson
           -Haldeman’s role
           -Jonathan Moore

Vietnam settlement
     -Negotiations
           -Possible breakdown
           -Bombing of North Vietnam
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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
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                                                  Conversation No. 833-10 (cont’d)

                 -South of 20th parallel
                      -Effect
                 -North Vietnamese
                      -Condition
                 -North Vietnamese perception
                      -Nuclear weapons
           -Congressional relations
                 -Resolutions
                      -Effect
           -Prospects
                 -North Vietnam
                      -Technical meeting
                 -Chinese statement
                      -Significance

Second term reorganization
     The President's meeting with Richardson
           -Chain of command
                 -Moorer
                 -Joint Chiefs of Staff [JCS]
                 -Tactical air forces
                       -Clements
                       -Cuts
           -Air power
                 -Surface to Air Missiles(SAMS)
                       -Airplanes
                              -Obsolescence
                 -B-1 bomber
                       -US Air Force
     -Defense Department, Intelligence system
           -Lack of progress
     -Laird
     -Chain of command
           -Vietnam settlement
           -South Vietnam
           -Thailand
           -Consolidation

Vietnam settlement
     -Option 1 and Option 2
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Feb-09)

                                                            Conversation No. 833-10 (cont’d)

             -Quality
             -Results of December bombing
             -Thieu
             -1973 Inauguration
             -South Vietnamese Air Force
             -Bombing of North Vietnam
                   -Halt
                         -Question of resumption
             -North Vietnamese land moves
             -South Vietnamese Air Force
                   -Strengths
                   -B-52 bombers
                   -Pause in bombing

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:35 am.

       The President's schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:02 am.

       Negotiations

Kissinger left at 10:02 am.