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Nixon phone call with Ford on Supersonic Transport and Legislative Strategy

Monday, May 10, 1971 · 7:15 PM–7:22 PM ET · White House Telephone

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Ford, Gerald R.Conversation002-143 on Tape 2 (tape position 05:20:03–05:26:01)StartMonday, May 10, 1971 at 7:15 PMEndMonday, May 10, 1971 at 7:22 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 002-143 ↗

President Richard Nixon and Representative Gerald R. Ford discussed legislative strategy regarding the upcoming Congressional vote on the Supersonic Transport (SST) program. The two leaders reviewed lobbying efforts and potential political influence, including Ford’s outreach to figures like John N. Mitchell, Richard J. Daley, and W. Clement Stone. Additionally, they coordinated plans for a breakfast meeting involving key Congressional leadership to advance the administration's revenue sharing proposals.

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5:21:27a T. Wilson.
5:21:28Ac mae'n cytuno â Wilson yn y prinsipol y byddai'n bosibl cyflawni'r prototipoedd o fewn y 600 miliwn, sy'n costau i'r Llywodraeth o'r cyllid cyllid ac adnoddau a chanfodau.
5:21:38Felly, mae'n dweud ei bod yn gallu cyflwyno rhagor o bwysigrwydd i'r Cyngras os nad yw'n bwysig am y prosbectaeth neu'r negosiadau.
5:21:47Felly, byddwn i'n dweud eu bod wedi gwneud y gwaith, ond byddwn i'n siŵr
5:21:58Ac hefyd, rydych chi'n gwybod, rydw i'n meddwl bod hynny'n dda.
5:22:01Ie, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am y gwaith, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd,
5:22:26Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen.
5:22:27Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen.
5:22:29Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen.
5:22:31Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen.
5:22:35Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen.
5:22:37Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen.
5:22:39Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen.
5:22:41Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen.
5:22:47Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen.
5:22:49Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen.
5:22:50Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen.
5:22:51Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd y
5:22:57Gadewch i mi ddod ymlaen, efallai y gallaf ddarganfod hynny.
5:22:58Ie, byddwn ni yma.
5:23:03Mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda.
5:23:06Mae'n dda, mae'n dda.
5:23:07Mae'n dda, mae'n dda.
5:23:11Mae'n dda, mae'n dda.
5:23:14Mae'n dda, mae'n dda.
5:23:19Mae'n dda, mae'n dda.
5:23:21Roeddwn i ddim wedi gwneud hynny bob amser.
5:23:26Roeddwn i wedi gwneud hynny bob amser.
5:23:28Roeddwn i wedi gwneud hynny bob amser.
5:23:29Roeddwn i wedi gwneud hynny bob amser.
5:23:33Roeddwn i wedi gwneud hynny bob amser.
5:23:55Diolch yn fawr.
5:24:03Diolch yn fawr.
5:24:17Diolch yn fawr.
5:24:18Diolch yn fawr.
5:24:28Ie.
5:24:53Rydyn ni wedi gweld un o'r 5 oed.
5:24:57Beth oeddech chi'n ei wneud?
5:24:57Rydyn ni ddim wedi gweld unrhyw wybodaeth hyd yn oed.
5:25:02Mae'n rhan o'n strategaeth, wrth gwrs.
5:25:04Mae ganddyn nhw'r profil a'r prif, ond dwi'n siŵr y byddai'n rhaid i ni ddweud hynny.
5:25:11Rydw i'n clywed John Mitchell, os ydych chi'n gofyn.
5:25:15Mae ganddyn nhw'n ddweud hynny.
5:25:16Mae ganddyn nhw'n siŵr y byddai'n rhaid i ni ddweud hynny.
5:25:21ac roeddwn i wedi clymhau'r clymhau ac roeddwn i wedi clymhau'r clymhau ac roeddwn i wedi clymhau'r clymhau ac roeddwn i wedi clymhau'r clymhau ac roeddwn i wedi clymhau'r clymhau ac roeddwn i wedi clymhau'r clymhau ac roeddwn i wedi clymhau'r clymhau ac roeddwn i wedi clymhau'r clymhau ac roeddwn i wedi clymhau'r clymhau
5:25:47A ydych chi'n meddwl y gallwch chi gael cwpl o'r rhain neu ddim?
5:25:49Ydych chi'n meddwl y mae Daly yn mynd i'w helpu neu ddim?
5:25:51Dwi'n siŵr, ond os ydych chi'n gwneud hynny, dwi'n meddwl efallai y bydd Paul Daly yn ôl.
5:25:53Dwi'n meddwl efallai y bydd Paul Daly yn ôl i ddysgu beth mae Daly yn ei wneud.

On May 10, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Gerald R. Ford talked on the telephone from 7:15 pm to 7:22 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 002-143 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 2-143

Date: May 10, 1971
Time: 7:15 pm - 7:22 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Gerald R. Ford.

     Supersonic Transport [SST]
          -Forthcoming vote in Congress
          -Opposition
          -Strategy
          -Ford's conversation with John N. Mitchell
                -W. Clement Stone
                -Richard J. Daley
                -Chicago Democrats

     President's schedule, May 11, 1971
           -Clark MacGregor
           -Luncheon on Capitol Hill
           -Lobbying
           -President's possible calls

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       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542

     SST vote
          -Time
          -Debate

     Revenue sharing
         -Wilbur D. Mills
         -John D. Ehrlichman
         -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
         -Breakfast meeting
               -Mills
               -John W. Byrnes
               -Ford
               -Carl B. Albert
               -John B. Connally
               -George H.W. Bush
               -Byrnes

[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under court order from
December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al. v. James M.
Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records Administration produced this
transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]
  • 002-138 6:15 PM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 6:15 pm and 7:04 pm.
  • 496-017 6:15 PM · 1 min — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 6:15 pm and 7:47 pm.
  • 496-019 6:15 PM · 3 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House at 6:15 pm.
  • 002-139 7:04 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, and unknown person(s) talked on the telephone from 7:04 pm to 7:08 pm.
  • 002-140 7:08 PM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 7:08 pm and 7:12 pm.
  • 002-141 7:12 PM · 16 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 7:12 pm.
  • 002-142 7:12 PM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 7:12 pm and 7:15 pm.
  • 496-018 7:47 PM · 22 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Julie Nixon Eisenhower met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 7:47 pm and 8:04 pm.

Conversation 002-143, May 10, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/002-143 (accessed October 10, 2026).