Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 42 › Conversation 042-086

Nixon phone call with Macomber on Protests and Patriotism

Tuesday, May 4, 1971 · 1:12 PM–1:13 PM ET · White House Telephone · 53 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Macomber, William B., Jr.Conversation042-086 on Tape 42 (tape position 02:22:16–02:23:09)StartTuesday, May 4, 1971 at 1:12 PMEndTuesday, May 4, 1971 at 1:13 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 042-086 ↗

President Nixon called William B. Macomber, Jr. to personally commend him for his actions the previous day in physically preventing protesters from removing an American flag. During the brief exchange, Nixon expressed his appreciation for Macomber's resolve against the demonstrators and characterized the protesters as cowardly. The President also requested that Macomber extend his gratitude to the other guards who assisted in the confrontation.

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Hello.
Mr. McComber, Mr. President.
Hello.
Mr. President.
Bill, I just wanted you to know that I thought that was a fine job you did yesterday in grabbing that flag when these people tried to take it down.
Thank God, Mr. President.
How nice of you to call.
Well, I know that all the heat people take around town, but you know that these gestures mean something, and
In fact, you walked out there and grabbed it.
I think that was just great.
Well, Mr. President, I...
I hope you didn't get scarred up.
Oh, no, no.
They're not very brave.
They faded.
They faded.
I think really that you're right, that they're not interested in the fight.
They just want to do damage and let people run away.
That's right.
Mr. President, there were a couple of older guards that were charging out there with me, and they went right into it themselves.
Well, you tell them I called and thank them, too, will you?
I sure will, Mr. President.
Fine, Bill.
Thank you for calling, sir.

On May 4, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and William B. Macomber, Jr. talked on the telephone from 1:12 pm to 1:13 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 042-086 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 42-86

Date: May 4, 1971
Time: 1:12 pm - 1:13 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with William B. Macomber, Jr.

[See Conversation No. 251-51]

[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under court order from
December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al. v. James M.
Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records Administration produced this
transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]
  • 490-017 12:35 PM · 28 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Jeane L. Dixon, and Rose Mary Woods met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:35 pm and 1:11 pm.
  • 042-084 1:11 PM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:11 pm and 1:12 pm.
  • 042-085 1:11 PM · 14 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:11 pm and 1:12 pm.
  • 251-048 1:11 PM · 49 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, Manolo Sanchez, and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:11 pm to 1:12 pm.
  • 251-049 1:11 PM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:11 pm and 1:12 pm.
  • 251-050 1:11 PM · 2 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:11 pm and 1:12 pm.
  • 490-019 1:11 PM · 53 sec — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:11 pm and 2:05 pm.
  • 251-051 1:12 PM · 41 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and William B. Macomber, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:12 pm to 1:13 pm.

Conversation 042-086, May 4, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/042-086 (accessed October 3, 2026).