Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 198 › Conversation 198-017

Nixon phone call with an unidentified caller on Camp David

Sunday, July 30, 1972 · 10:28 AM–1:00 PM ET · Camp David Hard Wire · 13 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan); [Unknown person(s)]Conversation198-017 on Tape 198StartSunday, July 30, 1972 at 10:28 AMEndSunday, July 30, 1972 at 1:00 PMRecording deviceCamp David Hard WireSourceNixon Library record for 198-017 ↗

First Lady Pat Nixon held an informal gathering in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David with two unidentified individuals. Because the entirety of the audio recording is currently restricted as a personal returnable item, no substantive policy discussions, decisions, or specific topics of conversation are available for analysis. The participants departed the lodge shortly before 1:00 pm.

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On July 30, 1972, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 10:28 am and 1:00 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 198-017 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 198-17

Date: July 30, 1972
Time: Unknown between 10:28 am and 1:00 pm
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon met with an unknown woman and an unknown man.

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[Duration: 2m 26s ]

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Mrs. Nixon et al. left at an unknown time before 1:00 pm.
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Conversation 198-017, July 30, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/198-017 (accessed October 12, 2026).