Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 297 › Conversation 297-027

Nixon & Kissinger on White House leaks and Personnel management

Friday, November 12, 1971 · 12:29 PM–12:33 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.Conversation297-027 on Tape 297 (tape position 01:12:44–01:20:01)StartFriday, November 12, 1971 at 12:29 PMEndFriday, November 12, 1971 at 12:33 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 297-027 ↗

President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discuss concerns regarding internal leaks and personnel loyalty within the administration. Expressing frustration over unauthorized disclosures to the press, the President emphasizes the need to identify the sources of these leaks and enforce internal discipline to prevent further backbiting. The conversation concludes with a directive to handle personnel matters discreetly while reinforcing the administration's stance against untrustworthy staff members.

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1:12:59Casting on the shore, and they've known that, of course, for a couple of months.
1:13:03Don't you think the CBS delivery who did that murder, he didn't get a shoe?
1:13:16How do you think that happened?
1:13:17Price of anybody around here, no numbers.
1:13:24I mean, uh...
1:13:25This was months ago, I mean, yeah, after when I was at the shelter.
1:13:28Yeah, and what was that?
1:13:35I can't hear it right now.
1:13:40It was Christ.
1:13:41He would know better.
1:13:41He would be understanding of these things.
1:13:46After Christ said, you and I should well know, he couldn't have a slight interest in that.
1:13:51That's the best indication of it.
1:13:53All right.
1:13:57All right.
1:14:20We've got to find him.
1:14:22I don't care whoever it is.
1:14:24It's a close person.
1:14:25We've got to go.
1:14:27We're not going to have to.
1:14:28I don't know.
1:14:28I can't believe my eyes.
1:14:30I don't know.
1:14:31I don't know.
1:15:21Like the story of the phosphates, right?
1:15:23I didn't know anything about the phosphates, and I didn't do the interview.
1:15:27That would look like a deliberate action shot of somebody inside.
1:15:40Well...
1:15:43I know it's a bad thing to give a goddamn about the backbiting, but there's not going to be any backbiting in this place.
1:15:49That I will not tolerate for anybody.
1:15:50I will tolerate for you and then somebody else, and we won't have an institute and somebody else.
1:15:53This is kind of crap.
1:15:56That's petty shit.
1:15:56I'm sure he's going to come and call that man now.
1:16:11I'll just make sure he's looking.
1:16:13Now it's all a question of the numbers of people we have to find.
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1:16:46That's right.
1:16:49That's right.
1:16:50That's right.
1:16:51That's right.
1:16:51Don't tell anybody anything.
1:16:54Well, I don't want to be a knowledgeable person in the press.
1:16:56That's the best thing to do.
1:17:00I'm not a big concern.
1:17:01The White House supports you very well.
1:17:06Of course, it's not true.
1:17:08Our people talk to you like a sieve.
1:17:10But on the other hand, you've got to have a better vision
1:17:14because why should we talk about these bastards?
1:17:18They're not for us.
1:17:18They're out to kill us.
1:17:19So the fact that you don't leak, whether you want to leak the China crypt and then I'll have it, leak the Russian crypt and then I'll have it, that's what they want to see.
1:17:34I don't trust China.
1:17:35I never have.
1:17:36I never trust one.
1:17:36I would never trust one when the story has to be written.
1:17:40I've got to remember their first loyalty message.
1:17:41Well, anyway, I don't know if I have any questions.
1:18:11OK. Yeah, I guess you .
1:18:14Yeah.
1:18:15OK. Fine.
1:18:42Yeah, I mean, once you finish, you can call that probation.

On November 12, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:29 pm and 12:33 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 297-027 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 297-27

Date: November 12, 1971
Time: Unknown between 12:29 pm and 12:33 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.

       Kissinger’s schedule
             -Return call
  • 014-083 12:10 PM · 18 min — President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone from 12:10 pm to 12:29 pm.
  • 297-026 12:10 PM · 9 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:10 pm to 12:29 pm.
  • 297-028 12:33 PM · 22 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:33 pm to 12:59 pm.
  • 297-029 12:59 PM · 40 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:59 pm and 2:20 pm.
  • 297-030 12:59 PM · 8 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:59 pm and 2:20 pm.
  • 297-031 12:59 PM · 42 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:59 pm and 2:20 pm.
  • 297-032 12:59 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:59 pm and 2:20 pm.
  • 297-033 12:59 PM · 25 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:59 pm and 2:20 pm.

Conversation 297-027, November 12, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/297-027 (accessed October 1, 2026).