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Nixon & Colson on Campaign strategy and Political messaging

Wednesday, October 18, 1972 · 7:05 PM–7:14 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 6 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.Conversation369-019 on Tape 369StartWednesday, October 18, 1972 at 7:05 PMEndWednesday, October 18, 1972 at 7:14 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 369-019 ↗

President Nixon and Charles Colson discuss campaign strategy and political messaging in preparation for upcoming travel to Kentucky and Ohio. The conversation touches upon their antagonistic relationship with intellectuals and university faculty, with the President emphasizing the need for aggressive political maneuvering. They conclude by coordinating logistical details for the President's scheduled travel appearances.

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Well, you've got to go.
I'll do my...
We have to call it a personal person.
Each of these is a real issue.
We don't know.
We don't know.
We don't know.
We don't know.
We don't know.
We don't know.
We don't know.
We don't know.
Right?
Right?
But he's one of our folks.
Another thing is that I serve four and a half million of our kids, sir, and these brain intellectuals are taking kids off the campus.
The hell with them.
Right?
Oh, I know.
Right?
He said he disagreed with what I did, and it didn't work at all, but it was good political.
Now, target is basically a liposuction.
Just look right here.
Right, right.
All right.
Right.
But I don't think it's just a concern.
You know, we've all done our, you know, all the stir-gum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum-pum
And I'd be ready for it.
I'd be ready for it.
I'd try it.
I'd love to go on it.
They can't overlook it.
And what I say is math is just a picture.
Then we do that.
And all of a sudden, we're back.
We're over there.
Sharp.
Oh, yeah.
That's Kennedy.
That's where my day was.
And then we go to Kentucky.
And then we go to Ohio.
Beautiful area.
Oh, look.
I'm not sure that we used them.
Did they use them?
All right, fine.
We're going to kill them.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
Okay.
Bye.

On October 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 7:05 pm to 7:14 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 369-019 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 369-19

Date: October 18, 1972
Time: 7:05 pm - 7:14 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with Charles W. Colson.

[See Conversation No. 31-128; three items have been withdrawn]
  • 031-126 7:00 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Margaret Chase Smith, and Michael J. ("Mike") Mansfield talked on the telephone from 7:00 pm to 7:03 pm.
  • 369-016 7:00 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Margaret Chase Smith, and Michael J. ("Mike") Mansfield met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 7:00 pm to 7:03 pm.
  • 031-127 7:03 PM · 11 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 7:03 pm and 7:05 pm.
  • 369-017 7:03 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 7:03 pm and 7:05 pm.
  • 369-018 7:03 PM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 7:03 pm and 7:05 pm.
  • 031-128 7:05 PM · 6 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone from 7:05 pm to 7:14 pm.
  • 031-129 7:15 PM · 19 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Goldthwaite H. Dorr talked on the telephone from 7:15 pm to 7:16 pm.
  • 369-020 7:15 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Goldthwaite H. Dorr met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 7:15 pm to 7:16 pm.

Conversation 369-019, October 18, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/369-019 (accessed October 10, 2026).