Conversation 384-004

On December 10, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Manolo Sanchez, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., White House operator, Anatoliy F. Dobrynin, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 10:01 am to 1:12 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 384-004 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 384-4

Date: December 10, 1972
Time: 10:01 am - 1:12 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

       Haldeman’s schedule
            -Church

       National Presbyterian Church
            -[Rev. John A. Huffman, Jr.] of Key Biscayne
                  -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
                  -Rev. Edward L. R. Elson
                  -Age
                  -Effect on the President

       Political philosophy
              -The President’s letter
                    -Distribution
                    -Reading
              -The President’s conversations with John D. Ehrlichman, George P. Shultz
              -White House staff
                    -Views compared to the President’s
                          -Liberalism
                          -Sexual orientation
                                -Homosexuality
                          -Patrick J. Buchanan
                          -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
              -Robert Nisbet article
                    -Buchanan
                    -Philosopher in administration
                          -Cabinet
                          -White House staff
                                -Domestic Council
                          -Henry A. Kissinger
                          -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
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                 -Academic community
                 -John F. Kennedy
                 -Assaults
                       -Art
                       -Music
                       -Education
                       -“New Left”
                       -Pot [Marijuana]
                       -Permissiveness
                 -Cabinet
                       -Claude S. Brinegar
                 -Robert H. Bork
           -Philosopher in administration
                 -Price’s view
                 -The President’s views
                       -The nation’s need
                       -Articulation
                       -Tactics
                 -Cabinet
                 -Bork
                       -Possible conversation with the President
                       -Compared to Joseph T. Sneed
                 -Supreme Court
                       -William H. Rehnquist
                       -Warren E. Burger
                             -Tactics
                 -Social scientists
                 -Buchanan
                 -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
                 -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan

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      Robert S. Strauss
           -Charles W. Colson
           -Democratic National Committee [DNC]
                  -Senate
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           -Judaism

      John B. Connally, Jr.
           -Indecision
                 -Switching political parties
           -Democratic nomination
                 -Chances
           -Conversation with Haldeman
           -DNC
                 -Resignation of Jean Westwood
           -The President’s strategy

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      Second term reorganization
           -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                  -White House job
                         -Ronald L. Ziegler’s view
                         -Constance M. (Cornell) (“Connie”) Stuart
                               -Ziegler’s conversation with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
                         -Stuart
                               -Replacement
                         -Ziegler’s conversation with the President
                               -“Supernumerary” role
                               -Richard M. Helms
                         -The President’s conversation with Mrs. Nixon
           -West Wing
                  -Lucy A. Winchester’s tenure
                  -Michael J. Farrell’s tenure
                         -John E. Nidecker
           -Winchester
                  -Mrs. Nixon
           -Farrell
                  -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                         -Nidecker
                  -Retention
                  -Relationship with Mrs. Nixon, Julie Nixon Eisenhower
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-Winchester
       -Departure
              -Winchester’s conversations with Jo Anne (Horton) Haldeman and
                other administration wives
              -Daughter
-East Wing’s relationship with West Wing
-Winchester
       -Job performance
              -Social relations
              -Stephen B. Bull
                    -Christmas events
                           -Mrs. Nixon
              -Rex W. Scouten
-Farrell
       -Retention
-Nidecker
       -Agency job
              -White House taff cuts
       -Retention
-Farrell
       -Compared to John S. Davies
-Julie Nixon Eisenhower
       -White House job
              -Ziegler’s assignment
       -Job title
              -Chief of Mrs. Nixon’s staff
                    -Ziegler’s view
              -Assistant to the First Lady
                    -Press Secretary
                    -Social Secretary
       -Press relations
              -Ziegler’s view
-East Wing’s relationship with the West Wing
       -Conflict
-Rose Mary Woods
       -Relationship with the staff
              -Bull
              -Alexander P. Butterfield
              -Dwight H. Chapin
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                       -Haldeman
                       -Chapin
                       -Butterfield
                             -Invitations
          -Bull
                  -Job performance
                  -Personal life

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          -Bull
          -The President’s schedule
          -Chief of Protocol
                -Marion H. Smoak
                      -Departure
                -[Reynolds] [first name unknown] of California
                      -Ambassadorship [to Mexico]
                -Smoak
                -William R. Codus
                -Social affairs
                      -Hosts
                             -Cabinet officers
                                   -Dinners
                                   -Camp David
                -Codus
                -Reynolds
                -Anne L. Armstrong
                      -Codus
                      -Tobin Armstrong
                -Women’s jobs
                      -[Shah of Iran] Mohammed Reza Pahhvi
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                       -Indira Gandhi
                       -Golda Meir
                 -Texas
                 -Press relations
                 -Finances
                       -Residence

      Press relations
            -Julie Nixon Eisenhower’s view
                   -Life
                         -Hugh S. Sidey
                              -Price’s conversation with Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                                    -Washington, DC
            -Price’s view

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           -Harry S. Dent
           -Edward C. Nixon
                -Washington state
                -Traits
                -Political acumen
                -Youth
           -Edward R. F. Cox
                -New York
                -Otis G. Pike
                -Nelson A. Rockefeller
                -Traits
           -George A. Goodling
                -Departure
                -Hugh Scott
                -Mark Hamburger
           -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
                -Pennsylvania
                -Public support
                -William W. Scranton
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                 -Frank L. Rizzo
                 -Colson
                 -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr. [?]
                 -Hamburger
                 -Possible job
                       -Nixon Foundation
                       -Federal job
                       -Bicentennial
                       -American Enterprise Institute [AEI]
                 -Future
                       -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                       -Senate seat
                              -Scott

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      The President’s schedule
           -Meeting with Chapin
                 -Timing
                 -Purpose
                        -1972 campaign
           -Meeting with Gordon C. Strachan
                 -US Information Agency [USIA] job
                 -Purpose
                        -1972 campaign
           -Chapin
                 -Work habits

      Chapin
           -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                  -Family
           -Donald H. Segretti
                  -The President’s conversation with Julie Nixon Eisenhower

      Second term reorganization
           -Strachan
           -Chapin
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           -Departure
           -Return
           -Meeting with the President
                 -Possible dinner

E. Howard Hunt, Jr.
     -Loss of wife [Dorothy Hunt]
           -Letter from the President
           -Money
                 -Tracing
                       -Serial numbers
                 -Origin

Watergate
     -Dorothy Hunt money
          -Origin
                -Payoff money
          -Purse
                -Identification
          -Amount
          -Tracing
                -Howard Hunt
                      -Laundering

The President’s schedule
     -Cabinet dinner
           -Cabinet children
                  -Church services
                  -Christmas

Watergate
     -Dorothy Hunt money
          -Tracing
                -Origin
                -Press relations
                      -Washington Post
                      -Wire story

Second term reorganization
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     -Sallyanne Payton
           -Ehrlichman
           -Sneed
                 -Justice Department
     -Wallace H. Johnson
           -Ehrlichman
           -Law Enforcement Assistance Administration [LEAA]

White House gifts
     -White House staff
          -Scouten
          -The President’s conversation with Mrs. Nixon
          -Presidential portrait

The President’s schedule
     -Florida
     -California
           -Florida
           -Return to Washington, DC
           -Mrs. Nixon
                  -Rose Parade
                        -The President’s television [TV] viewing
                               -Football games
                        -The President’s role
           -Church
                  -Mrs. Nixon
                  -Press relations
                        -New Year’s Day
           -Vietnam negotiations
                  -Kissinger

The President’s schedule
     -1973 Inauguration
           -Greek Orthodox priest
                  -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
           -Oath reading
                  -Burger
                  -Agnew
                  -The President as Vice President
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                              -William F. Knowland
                                    -1956
                                    -Earl Warren

       Second term reorganization
            -Need for youth
                  -Ehrlichman
                  -Age ranges
                  -Legacy
                        -Supreme Court

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 10:01 am.

       Pen or pencil

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 11:50 am.

       Second term reorganization
            -Youth
                  -Term appointments
                  -Ehrlichman
                  -Supreme Court
                         -Burger
                         -Lewis F. Powell
                         -Harry A. Blackmun
            -Burger
                  -Conversations with the President
                  -Politics
            -Under Secretaries
                  -Ehrlichman
            -Assistant Secretaries
                  -Ethnic groups
            -Religious orientation
                  -Transportation Department
                         -Frederic V. Malek
                               -Claude S. Brinegar
                                     -Presumed Catholicism
                                           -Staff work
            -Under Secretaries
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                  -Transportation Department
                         -Egil G. (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.
                               -Ehrlichman
                  -Interior Department
                         -John C. Whitaker
                               -Rogers C. B. Morton
                  -Agriculture Department
                         -Clayton K. Yeutter
                               -J. Philip Campbell
                                     -Departure
                                            -Leaks

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     1974 Congressional elections
          -Edward C. Nixon
          -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II

      Second term reorganization
           -White House job
                 -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                        -Effect on the President

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      Second term reorganization
           -Woods
                 -Job performance
                       -Personal relations
           -Confidential memoranda
                 -Beverly J. Kaye
                       -Compared to Patricia B. McKee
                             -Haldeman’s office
                 -1972 election
                 -Leaks
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                      -Women
                -McKee
                      -Relationship with Haldeman
                      -San Clemente
                -Kaye
                      -Access
           -Bicentennial Commission
                -Francis J. (“Frank”) Sinatra
                      -James Roosevelt
                      -Chairmanship
                             -Effect
                -Roosevelt
                -Sinatra
                      -Role
                             -Compared to Roosevelt
                -Ethnic groups

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      New political party
           -Name
                 -Independents
                 -Republicans
                 -Federalists
                        -George Washington
                        -John Adams
                 -Independent Republican Party
           -Connally

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      Administration goals
          -Second term
                 -Substance
                       -Peace
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                  -Economy
                         -Unemployment
                  -Rebuilding cities
                  -Ehrlichman’s role
           -Politics
                  -Destruction of liberal establishment
     -Buchanan [Nisbet’s article]
           -Compared to Richard (“Dick”) Wilson’s article
                  -Distribution
                         -Charles W. Colson
     -Charles Michelson
     -New Majority
     -The President’s identity
           -Compassion
     -New Majority
           -Republican Party
     -Rewriting history
           -New Establishment, New Majority
                  -Legacy
     -Philosophy
           -List of names
                  -Bork
                  -Buchanan
                  -Price

The President’s schedule
     -Instructions for Ehrlichman
           -Shultz

Julie Nixon Eisenhower and [Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
      -Home in Washington, DC
            -Return
                  -March 1973
      -David Eisenhower
            -Navy discharge
                  -[Cmdr. Craig S. Campbell]
                  -John S. D. Eisenhower
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                              -Future in politics

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        David Eisenhower
             -Navy discharge
                   -Circumstances
                         -Group

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                       -House location
                            -Foxhall Road
                            -Available homes
                            -Pool
                       -Haldeman’s home
                            -Georgetown
                            -Neighborhood
                            -Yards
                            -Foxhall Road
                            -Distance from White House
                            -Rock Creek Parkway
                            -Cost
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     The President’s schedule
          -Christmas party
                -Assistant Secretaries
                -Under Secretaries
                       -Charles E. Walker
          -Cabinet party
                -Round tables
                -Black tie
                -Fred Waring
                -Youth
                -Waring
                       -Music
                            -Tone

     Second term reorganization
          -Philosophy
                -Nisbet article
                       -Distribution
                             -Haldeman’s role
          -White House staff views
                -Value
                -Memoranda
                       -1972 campaign
                -Goals
          -Significance
          -White House staff
                -Loyalty
          -Public relations [PR]
                -White House staff
                -Watergate
                       -Donald H. Segretti
                       -Ehrlichman, Haldeman
                             -The President’s instructions
                -Robert J. Dole
                       -Sherman Adams comparison
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                       -Dwight D. Eisenhower
     -Dole
             -Conversation with Haldeman
                  -Chairmanship of Republican National Committee [RNC]
                        -Bryce N. Harlow
                              -John W. Dean, III
                              -John N. Mitchell

William L. Safire’s book about administration
      -Information
            -Vietnam negotiations
            -The President’s memoir
            -Significance of Safire’s book
            -Psychoanalysis
                  -Compared to observation
            -Woods’s cooperation
      -Publisher
            -Doubleday

Watergate
     -Dorothy Hunt
           -Money
                 -Press relations
           -Flight to Chicago
                 -Purpose
                       -Visit to sister
           -Money
                 -Howard Hunt
                       -Finances
                              -Residence
     -The President’s possible meeting with an unknown person
           -Mitchell
     -Chapin’s knowledge
           -Segretti
     -Information gathering
           -Bugging
                 -Haldeman’s knowledge
           -Mitchell’s involvement
                 -New York
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                                    -[John J. (“Jack”) Caulfield]
                             -1972 campaign
                                    -Lack of information
                                          -Tape recordings
                                                 -Primaries
                                                       -Hubert H. Humphrey
                                                       -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
                                                            -George S. McGovern
                                    -Haldeman’s role
                       -Jeb Stuart Magruder’s involvement
                             -G[eorge] Gordon Liddy’s version
                       -Financial information
                             -Mitchell
                             -Lawrence F. O’Brien, Jr.
                       -Desire for information
                       -The President’s role
                       -Bugging targets
                             -McGovern, Max M. Kampelman
                                    -Compared to O’Brien
                             -Edward M. Kennedy
                             -Edmund G. Muskie
                             -Ehrlichman
                                    -Dean’s report
                                          -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] knowledge

        Second term reorganization
             -FBI
                   -L[ouis] Patrick Gray
                         -Replacement

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        Watergate
             -FBI
                      -Gray
                      -Henry E. Petersen
                      -Gray
                            -Suitability for the job
                            -Confirmation
                -Bugging
                      -Colson’s knowledge
                            -Howard Hunt
                -Possible problems
                      -Bernard L. Barker
                            -Howard Hunt
                      -Hugh W. Sloan, Jr.
                      -Segretti affair
                            -Testimony
                                   -Chapin
                                   -Strachan
                                         -Dean’s view
                                   -Chapin
                                         -Knowledge
                                                -Compared to Strachan
                -Strachan’s knowledge
                -Mitchell’s knowledge
                -Liddy

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        Democratic Party
            -Strauss
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           -Connally
           -Humphrey
           -Edmund S. Muskie
           -Jackson

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      Second term reorganization
           -Defense Department
                 -Elliot L. Richardson
                       -Symbolism
                              -Conservatives
                                    -Confirmation
                       -Conversation with Haldeman
                              -Richardson’s meeting with the President
                                    -Kissinger
                              -Jonathan Moore, Laurence E. (“Larry”) Lynn, Jr.
                              -Lynn
                                    -Systems analysis
                       -Moore
                              -Conservatives
                              -Richardson
                       -Lynn’s resignation
                              -Cambodia invasion
                       -Moore
                              -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
                 -Gen. Robert E. Pursely
                 -Richardson
                       -Possible meeting with the President, Kissinger, William P. Clements,
                         Jr.
                              -TACAIR
                              -Systems analysis
                 -Melvin R. Laird
                 -The President’s possible meeting with Richardson, Clements
                       -Research and development [R & D]
                 -Frederick B. Irving [?]
           -European Economic Community [EEC]
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                   -James D. Hodgson
             -Geneva
             -Peter G. Peterson
                   -Staff
             -William D. Eberle
                   -EEC
                   -Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development [OECD]

The President talked with Alexander M. Haig, Jr. at an unknown time between 10:01 am and
11:50 am.

[Conversation No. 384-4A]

       Request for a meeting with Haig

[End of telephone conversation]

       Second term reorganization
            -Joseph A. Greenwald
                  -EEC
                        -Peter M. Flanigan recommendation
                              -State Department
                                     -Acting Assistant Secretary for Economic Affairs
                  -Background
                        -OECD
                              -Paris
                        -Age
                        -Education
                              -University of Chicago
                              -Georgetown University
                        -Religion
                              -Jewish
                              -Mary Virginia (Doyle) Greenwald
                                     -Catholicism
                        -Foreign Service
                              -1941
                        -Economic affairs
                              -Dwight Eisenhower
                              -John F. Kennedy
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                              -Lyndon B. Johnson
                                    -State Department
                                          -Office of International Trade
                                          -Deputy Assistant Secretary for International Trade
                  -Loyalty, competence
                  -OECD
                  -EEC
                        -Hodgson
                  -National Security Council [NSC]
                  -Flanigan
                  -Treasury Department
             -Donald H. Rumsfeld

Haig entered at 11:50 am.

       Greetings
             -Haig’s rank

       Vietnam negotiations
            -Haig’s meeting with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
            -Meetings with North Vietnamese
                 -Details
                 -Delays
                        -Kissinger’s messages
                 -US bombing
                        -The President’s conversations with Kissinger
                        -Possible breakdown of talks
            -North Vietnamese positions
                 -Issues
                        -Demands
                        -December 9, 1972
                              -Article I
                              -US civilian technicians
                              -Demilitarized Zone [DMZ]
                        -DMZ
                              -Second Paris Round
                              -Existence
                                    -Honor
                              -Movement of personnel
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                      -Effect
-Nguyen Van Thieu
-Meeting
       -Duration
-Thieu
-Settlement agreement
       -Signing
-DMZ
       -Importance of issue
       -Compromise
              -North Vietnam
              -Thieu
       -Haig’s conversation with Dobrynin
              -Compromise
              -North Vietnam
              -Thieu
       -Dobrynin’s messages
              -North Vietnam’s positions
                    -Settlement agreement
                    -Soviet Union
       -Settlement agreement
-Settlement agreement
       -Compromise
       -Normalization of North Vietnam-South Vietnam relations
       -DMZ
              -Personnel movement
                    -Civilians
                           -Authorization
                                -Thieu
-Kissinger
-Thieu
-Le Duc Tho
       -Delays
              -Experts
       -Health
-Kissinger
-Dobrynin
-Settlement agreement
       -North Vietnamese language
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                  -DMZ
                        -Compromise
                  -The President’s view
                  -Haig’s view
                        -Compromise
             -US options
                  -Breakdown in talks
                  -The President’s possible television [TV] appearance
                  -US bombing
             -Haig’s possible call to Dobrynin

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 11:50 am and
12:04 pm.

[See Conversation No. 34-29]

[Conversation No. 384-4B]

[End of telephone conversation]

       Vietnam negotiations
            -Settlement agreement
                   -Thieu
                        -Possible meeting with Agnew
                              -Agnew’s schedule
                                   -Dallas
                   -North Vietnam
                        -Changes

The President talked with Dobrynin between 12:04 pm and an unknown time before 12:55 pm.

[See Conversation No. 34-30]

[Conversation No. 384-4C]

[End of telephone conversation]

       Vietnam negotiations
            -Meeting
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      -Postponement
            -Instructions to Kissinger
            -Message from the President
            -Breakdown in talks
-US options
      -US bombing
            -“Hawks”
                   -Kissinger’s meetings
            -[David] Kenneth Rush
            -Laird
-1972 election
      -Pre-election efforts
            -Compared to post-election efforts
                   -US bombing
                         -Settlement agreement
            -Effect
                   -Expectations
-Haig’s and Kissinger’s efforts
      -Progress
            -October 8, 1972 agreement
-Thieu
-Kissinger’s cable
      -North Vietnam
-South Vietnam
      -Army
-Problems
      -Kissinger
      -North Vietnam
            -Settlement agreement
      -Cease-fire
            -Maintenance
            -Violations
                   -US response
                         -Bombing
                                -Message to Kissinger
                                     -Adm. Thomas E. Moorer
                                     -B-52s
                                     -Civilian casualties
-US public opinion
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           -US bombing
                 -South Vietnam
                 -Kissinger
                        -Settlement agreement
                        -Provocation
                               -Cambodia
                               -The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
                        -Congressional relations
           -Prisoners of War [POWs]
           -Thieu
                 -Settlement agreement
                        -Provocation
                               -October 8, 1972 agreement
                               -“Trip wires”
                               -Congressional relations
                               -DMZ
                                     -North Vietnam
                                     -Civilian movement
                                     -Korea

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           -Kissinger
           -Background
                 -Cuban ambassador
                 -Cubans for Nixon
           -Ambassadorship to Latin America
                 -Fidel Castro

US-Cuba relations
    -Castro
    -Hijacking agreement
          -Negotiations
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                 -Cancellation
                 -U. Alexis Johnson
                 -New York
                 -State Department
                       -Johnson

Second term reorganization
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           -Graham A. Martin
           -Johnson
           -Martin
                 -Kissinger
                       -Wall Street Journal
           -Johnson
                 -Upper Chad
     -Johnson
           -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT] delegation
     -Arms Control and Disarmament Agency [ACDA]
           -Budget cuts
                 -Secor D. Browne
     -SALT delegation
           -Johnson
     -ACDA
           -Staff cuts
           -Appropriation cut
                 -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
                 -State Department
                 -Defense Department
                 -White House
                       -Domestic Council
     -White House
           -Staff cuts
                 -NSC
                       -Kissinger
                       -Domestic Council
                       -Kissinger
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    -Paris
    -Settlement agreement
           -Timing
    -Ehrlichman’s view
    -The President’s possible role
           -[Thieu]
    -Purpose
           -Thieu
                  -Negotiations
                  -“Hawks”
                  -Congressional relations
                        -Economic and military aid
    -Kissinger
    -Haig’s possible conversation with Agnew
    -Haig’s conversation with Agnew
           -Liberals
           -“Hawks”
    -Negotiations
    -Ehrlichman’s view
    -Compared to the President’s 1953 trip to South Korea
           -Dwight Eisenhower
                  -Syngman Rhee
           -The President’s conversation with Rhee
                  -US aid
    -Settlement agreement
           -Enforcement
                  -US intervention
                        -The President’s commitment
                             -1972 election
    -Schedule
           -Thieu
    -Kissinger’s schedule
           -Paris
           -Settlement agreement
                  -Seoul, Bangkok, Vientiane, Hanoi
                  -Saigon
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                      -Announcement
           -The President’s schedule
                -California
                      -Florida
                -Kissinger’s press relations
                -Vacation
                      -Football game
                -California
                      -Christmas
                      -Florida
                      -Mrs. Nixon
                -Possible meeting with Thieu at Midway
                      -Timing
                             -Congressional reconvention
                -Florida

Vietnam negotiations
     -The President’s conversation with Dobrynin
           -Kissinger
           -Breakdown in talks
           -DMZ
                 -Compromise
                        -Civilian movement
     -Agnew
           -Possible meeting with the President
                 -Timing
                        -Settlement agreement
                        -Kissinger
           -Possible trip to Saigon
                 -Kissinger’s concern
                        -Secretary of State
           -Opinions
     -Status and instructions for Kissinger
           -Ziegler’s statement
                 -The President’s meetings with Haig
                        -The President’s schedule
     -The President’s schedule
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                          -The President’s family
                          -Football game
                    -Hawaii
                    -Thieu
             -Breakdown
                    -The President’s possible TV statement
                          -Kissinger
                          -Advisability
                                -Cambodia
                                -The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
                                -Provocation
             -Thieu
             -Ehrlichman’s view
             -Cessation of US bombing, mining and withdrawal of US forces
                    -Return of POWs
                          -US economic and military aid to South Vietnam
                          -Reparations
             -US-North Vietnam bilateral deal
             -Thieu
                    -US aid
                    -Tenure
                          -Agnew’s view
             -South Vietnam’s survival
             -Communism
                    -Prospects
                    -Greece
                    -East Germany
                          -West Germany
             -Settlement agreement
                    -Kissinger
                    -DMZ
                          -Compromise
                                -Thieu’s acceptance
                                      -Chances

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             -State of the Union message
                   -Ehrlichman
                   -Kissinger
                   -The President’s schedule
                          -Informal welcome
                                -Timing
                                -Announcement
                                -Written message
                                -1973 Inauguration
                                -Separate houses
                                      -House of Representatives, Senate
                          -Informal joint session
                                -1973 Inauguration
                                -TV
                                      -Press relations
                                             -The President’s remarks
                   -Kissinger

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 12:55 pm.

       Delivery

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       Helene (Colesie) Drown
            -The President’s schedule
            -1972 election
            -White House staff
            -Watergate
            -Administration decisions
            -The President’s conversation with Mrs. Nixon

       1972 election
            -News summary
            -Analysis
                   -Staff meeting

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          -Robert D. Novak
                -Associated Press [AP] article
                       -Colson’s office

Raymond K. Price, Jr.

Second term reorganization
     -John A. Scali
           -Rogers
                 -Peter J. Brennan
                 -Relationship
           -Ziegler
           -Ehrlichman
           -Moynihan
     -Mitchell
     -Attorney General
           -Gray
                 -Confirmation
                       -Mitchell’s view
                 -Relationship with the President
           -Robert H. Bork
                 -Compared to Joseph T. Sneed
                 -Busing

[Pause]

Kissinger’s press relations
      -[Oriana Fallaci] interview
            -Possible suit
                   -Haig’s report
            -Justifications
                   -Fallaci’s importance
                   -Request of Italian ambassador
                   -Fallaci’s attractiveness

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     -Kissinger
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                   -Laird
                   -Conversation with the President
                         -US bombing
                              -Reaction
                                     -Press relations
                                     -Students
                                     -Congressional relations
                                     -Press relations

Butterfield entered at an unknown time after 12:55 pm.

       The President’s physical examination

Butterfield left at an unknown time before 1:12 pm.

       The President’s physical examination
            -Gen. Walter R. Tkach
            -Vital signs
                  -Heart, blood pressure
            -Duration

       Personnel
            -Kissinger
                  -Need for support
                  -Mood
            -Clark MacGregor
            -PR
                  -Ehrlichman
                  -Dent
                        -Compared to Peterson
                  -Peterson
                  -Brennan
                  -Shultz
                        -Substance
                  -Foreign policy
                  -Richard A. Moore
                  -George H. W. Bush
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                 -Ehrlichman
                 -Haldeman’s role

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           -Brock
           -Bush
                 -Republican National Committee [RNC] Chairman
                      -Office location
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                 -Politics
                 -PR
                        -Substance
          -First term

      US defense strategy
           -Richardson’s recent meeting with Haldeman
                 -Kissinger
                 -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson’s recommendation
                       -Congress
                       -Enemies, allies
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      US domestic strategy
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           -Irving Kristol
           -Nisbet
           -Philosophy, compared to strategy
           -Russell A. Kirk
     -Effect of 1972 election
           -Scott
           -Barry M. Goldwater
           -Carl B. Albert
           -Change
           -Majority

Second term reorganization
     -Herbert G. Klein
           -Telephone calls
     -State Department
           -Kissinger
     -Richardson
           -Meeting with Haldeman
     -Kissinger
           -Haig

Speechwriters
     -Instructions
           -Ehrlichman
           -1973 Inaugural message
                  -W. Bruce Herschensohn
                  -Price
                  -Herschensohn
           -The President’s schedule
                  -Price
                  -Buchanan
                  -Safire
     -Adam Bakshian
     -John K. Andrews, Jr.
     -Lee W. Huebner
     -The President’s view
           -Price
           -Andrews
           -Bakshian
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                  -Vermont Royster
                        -Letter

       Second term reorganization
            -White House staff
                  -Attitude
                  -Cuts
            -1972 election
                  -Congress
            -John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts
                  -John E. Nidecker
                        -The President’s family
                        -Role
                              -Greetings
                              -The President’s box
                        -National Park Service [NPS]
            -NPS
                  -Ronald H. Walker
                        -Department of Agriculture
                  -George B. Hartzog, Jr.

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You can get to church today, huh?
No.
Oh, well.
I've got to get to the meeting to see whether they can work it out and get that young minister here.
What's going on there?
Do you know what we're talking about?
The young minister came to see if he could be considered for help at the church.
Oh, did he?
One of two.
He's too young.
He is.
I would go.
This is a hell of a minister.
He gives me a lift.
Take a... Oh, I don't know.
I'm thinking here.
I want you to read this.
I'm going to send this.
It's a letter to him about my ego.
I read it.
You read it carefully.
Read it again.
Read it.
Yeah.
The point is, this is very profound, very profound, and the point is that I've got to send a goddamn message.
It's not to put this around where you don't read it.
It's not trying to give up.
We've got to get philosophy of this.
Let me tell you what we like.
And I see it in the conversations we're having with Schultz.
Thank you.
Well, I think your point is right.
I think it's more basic.
Well, then they grow up in a different way.
I don't believe in it.
I don't believe in it.
But basically, the idea is they don't even understand how I feel.
I am in many ways far more liberal than they are when it comes to certain values.
It has nothing to do with this.
so-called sexual values or any kind of shit about all that, that people can be homosexuals or anything.
And if they want, I'm talking about your frankly shitting on the front row.
But I don't deeply look at it.
Except for the cat on the left, on the right, Christ on the left, we don't have any gutter around here to believe in the goddamn thing.
But we know why he believes in something.
green nose, you know.
You can't believe how closely we're going to go this time.
We're pretty strong.
Thank you.
Well, I'd like to have one that I can talk to.
It is a contribution.
Okay, you ready?
I mean, all these guys worried about his death, and they didn't work for him.
So basically, this guy's worried about Martin.
Oh, he's trying to find out what he's doing.
I don't know if there has to be a figure.
Let's try it.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
The whole, the major presence is that this is a devastating assault on the art, the music, the education, the new left, the movement, the pop, the permissiveness, the whole goddamn thing.
I keep writing them.
I think it's right.
I'm not going to start.
I'm sorry.
I'm totally right about this.
I wish I could start over again.
You see, Mother, we don't have much time to sit around and think.
It is true, when Greg talks about the need for a house philosopher, he's right.
Ray will come up with mine.
Light it.
Follow me.
Finally, the other side got the reaction.
We were like, hey, just go through with the tactical release.
And probably not as much as I did last week.
It's not like Kevin and or the administration started everything.
They just carry out.
to some degree that we stand for.
I'm glad, for example, I'm glad I made a school of expression.
I'm glad I got a fork.
I'll talk to the fork now.
Now it's made to operate.
Fork, though, is a philosophy.
You know, I'm talking to the French, you know.
Fork, it would contribute a lot more to my name.
So, of course, it only was an expression.
Murderer.
I need a very close-knit guy that I can really talk to who isn't a superficial slave.
His whole group is a combination of depth and superficiality that a guy like One-Hand has, but who is to take what you believe, which One-Hand is not, basically.
He is some friendship, but he's not at the core.
How much did extra versus not much?
Not much.
There's a lot of deals out in the state.
Why did you imagine that it don't matter?
I'm not sure he is.
That's going to tell us a lot about Conley.
Conley, you know what I call him?
Conley has got his name.
Conley's got to make up his mind about, you know, he's getting two for one at this point.
And good job for making him a leader in Saudi Arabia for himself.
And I'm all for it.
We did a whole lot for it.
Conley's got to decide where he's going to go.
You'll never get the Democratic nomination.
You may think you will, but you'll never get it.
Agreed.
I'm sure he'll get it.
He may not.
He may figure it out.
The question I called in yesterday, he obviously, he had heard this question.
I called him after the report that went through that.
He had heard that report that he didn't get it.
He heard that it was.
They had made the deal to resign before, which was that she refused to be thrown out, so they made the deal that they would not throw her out.
What if she agreed to resign after she wasn't thrown out?
She did, so I gave her the chance to resign instead of being fired, which apparently was important to her.
She was thrown out.
She was thrown out by a deal instead of by a book.
Well, now, we've really got to find out.
And I've got to know if Danny Sherwood or Conner is going to try to pull you back to that same party he did.
We've got to play our own deals there, man.
Goddamn hard to see if we're putting her up.
Anyway, thanks so much for that.
I had three portals.
The thing on Julie got a problem.
Apparently, I didn't realize how serious the problem was.
Julie was very impressed with Taylor and told her mother that she and Taylor built a proper confession.
I doubt that.
So, Ron didn't think, he may not have used the term, the best one.
He said it didn't have anything to do with it.
That's right.
And he agreed, I think, agreed with Pat that it wasn't.
She was pretty nice.
Well, we have a problem that we don't make changes there at the same time you're making changes in the White House.
I was there, I got him and said the best thing to do is get him to leave and I said, okay.
took her to nowhere.
I mean, she needs to get me out of her position in Huntsburg.
Uh, they didn't tell us that it was Huntsburg.
I had to pass over the fire.
Now there are two things about me, but you've got to get squared away.
There's a bad rap in development.
I don't know how to reconcile this.
They say that the West Wing is
He's trying to get Lucy out, and he's putting out his word that Lucy wants to go back, and that's totally wrong.
Lucy wants to stay.
And the West Wing is trying to get Farrell out.
Farrell really wants to stay, very much, and that's where he's trying to put out the line that he wants to make sure he stays.
Patty is maddened about Lucy, and Julie is maddened about Farrell, because Farrell is just, you know, she loves Johnny, but she says he's a smart guy.
I don't want to call the score, but I thought this was all right.
Okay, we asked everybody in here, and I think Chief Carroll said he would like to stay in the administration.
I think Farrell was sensational.
I was disappointed that he wanted to move, but I thought he did want to move.
That's an office that is pretty hard to keep a guy in if he doesn't want to stay.
Sure.
And as far as Lucy is concerned, he got him a poor job.
I don't know what else, sir.
I can't get Lucy in.
But where did he get the idea that somebody wanted to get rid of him?
I'm sure part of her own plan.
She said that she had to leave.
I checked with my wife again last night.
She told all the wives, you know, the people that she's meeting on a personal basis that she had to go back home because of her daughter.
Now, if she just wants to go, that's fine.
Right?
Yeah.
The thing that the east wing doesn't understand is that the west wing doesn't give a shit about the east wing.
They should, and they used to, but they're not trying to anymore.
And so we went.
And there's nobody over here who gives a goddamn what it was he says, does, or knows.
That was what I told them.
I said, I said, I said, I am not delighted.
I said, we were delighted.
Delighted is not a bad thing, because I think she's inadequate.
But we've gone through that years ago.
And we should go.
She's nice, and she's good with people.
She's great, you know.
And then after this, a little hostess came running around the house, and the things that happened, she did a great job.
Because of the vacuum she gets from mainly Steve Ball and some of the other people over here, we now end up not screwing things up at parties because they work the stuff out for her.
And she's like all this Christmas stuff.
Steve's doing all the work.
Lucy can get all the credit, and that's fine.
And Matt will think Lucy's done another superb job of putting on a whole series of parties.
I guess Rex backs her up, too.
Rex does, too.
That's right.
He really does.
Rex works with Bob.
He really does.
And Rex is...
I know you haven't been able to cross yourself on something, but apparently you've been dressed as... No, I just thought... You know what?
I didn't mean to cross myself on anything, but I think possibly I could have been otherwise.
I feel like your back's hung a little more, but maybe you can't.
All right.
All good.
Done.
You tell Farrell.
So why didn't you tell Farrell?
No, Farrell, I had a bunch of work to do.
I had a bunch of work to do.
Now we'll think that through, though.
I do think that he's embarrassed.
Really embarrassed.
I love him.
He is loyal.
But put him out in the nation.
Like I said, John, today I hear you cry.
Crying.
He, you know, when you run after anybody, I'm sure you're going to be hurt a little bit.
I guess they were cutting back down.
We need to, we need to, you know, put our people around.
What do you think we should keep?
If you keep it, you should keep it a sort of a court jester role.
You won't do any harm to it a little bit.
If you're starting to scratch, you wouldn't bring it in.
We're trying to approach things as both of you are starting to scratch.
On the other hand, if you're starting construction, Carol is a guy I would bring in on a visitor's office.
Better than John Davis.
Oh, yeah.
John is a nice guy, and he's doing great.
I think he did most of the job over there with the back office.
I don't know.
I don't think she should be called the chief of their other staff.
That looks a little...
That's what's wrong and should be bad.
But Julie's point is I've got to have a position or I can't do the job and she's right to robust her pride and soul and she's got to be healthy.
Maybe you pick up the time you got over here, you have assistance to the president or your senior people here.
Maybe you think they're assisting to the first lady.
The first lady.
And somebody else is the press secretary.
And then you have a press secretary.
You have a social hero.
just like the president and the press secretary and all the other staff people.
Ron wants to keep Julie away from the missions, from the press, from the local press.
It was an absolute grab on them, you know.
I told Julie that too, though.
I mean, they're smaller than you.
In fact, get them out of my mind, you know.
No, that's a big one.
If you get that set in your eye, you can make a hell of a difference.
You can, in the first place,
We can eliminate this ridiculous stage war between these two intellectuals, which, you know, it's just, oh, it's a... You know how it followed me, because Rose comes in, but we have it within our own system, Rose.
That's where I think Chase and Sully and Sully go along with Rose.
Okay, fine.
It's with them.
It's with them.
Better than most.
He gets along better than Alex.
Better than Jake.
Better than me.
She's jealous of Jake, I'm sure.
And Alex is running the wrong way.
But Alex, I'm sure he's running the distance on her.
I mean, he's right.
He's that way.
By how he deserves a hell of a job, Alex can't understand him.
He's made it better than once.
You know, these people invited me to the party, and Moses said, well, I'm going to buy it.
How would Steve go about pushing that guy?
He's smoothed it around.
He kind of likes to, you know, figuring out how to get it done without anybody realizing he's done it.
Great.
That's how he's done it.
Does that mean that Steve is going into John Booth?
Oh, I see.
You're making a mistake.
Steve doesn't have clients.
That's the thing.
It's a long way.
But he has ability.
And he's a damn good inside man.
I've never seen a person come in that didn't need some little help.
It was him.
He loves to juggle people along and all that, and he's done this through a... because I had to reply to a... Well, uh, you're right.
Anybody who's put in there in this position, he's a good man.
Is that exerting as far as people ought to be involved in the office?
I'm going to try to get other people in more office work.
We've got a lot to do in the country.
Now, Spoke's got to go.
Do you really think that we have to go tell one guy?
No, we didn't promise to.
We'll settle for an investigation so we don't have to.
He frankly comes on a little too hard for me, right?
A little too much.
I love him better than that.
Maybe he's a little too close to me, right?
Oh, exactly.
I don't know.
One of the things you could do
Instead of having the chief of protocol be the host of the deal, move that around.
Other people might have a captain officer be the host of the deal.
Have that put on the dinner table.
Have that meet their own campaign.
Say, secretary, secretary, uh, uh, they're going to shape up to be your host of the campaign.
And then you kind of have a big team with your guys, and then you get a group.
You're right.
Why should it be a protocol?
It should have a protocol.
They need an operational guy.
He'd be better.
You know, bring it on together, make sure it's inter-certified.
All right.
And then they meet different people and talk to different people.
But it's not good.
Code is for the job, but not...
I guess, Nick, but I'd rather put another fellow from California in another position.
I just don't want to get that posted about it.
You see what I mean?
I sure do.
It just comes on a whole lot.
I think it's great for a week, but I think the other thing, if you wanted to do it, it would be sensational.
It might work.
A woman, I love her.
She might do it.
Love her.
She might do it.
Love her.
And that code is presented at her husband.
Let's go back to the board.
Apparently that works.
in the shop or something like that and a woman to deal with them.
Sure.
Not some of those nasty male negative.
Sure.
That's our way.
A woman to deal with right now.
For Christ's sake.
Go.
Go.
This is Don.
He deals with the boys.
I was just going to say, you've got two women prime ministers.
They move around because they're not very womanly.
They're not very womanly.
They're not very womanly.
Oh, yeah.
She is.
You know what I mean?
Well, I mean, no, she's not, but she's tough, but she's not soft, you know?
That's a good woman, folks.
She's a good woman.
She can go to college and do all kinds of stories about it.
She's got the nose.
third or second.
So at least the body went out of the way.
And it seems through study, articles all over the world, one of them is fine.
Oh, she said that every time.
But she's mean, and vicious, and I said, you're fine.
She said that.
And she's right.
And she went off and she said, you know, she said, I love Christ very much.
I can't see why Christ would not see them.
But what is Christ's problem?
He didn't believe in Christ.
I think Christ's feeling is that Christ is supposed to call us and say,
I asked you to maybe give to Harry Dent.
I don't know whether he is .
I don't quite think that any extra order left in the concrete wanted to stay away.
He's got class.
I mean, it isn't like he can't.
The guy has to do business.
All right.
That space is quite open for some.
Check with everyone about it.
The first reaction will be negative.
When he stops making a goddamn fuss with the ground matter in that space, we'll see.
And he's got the political, has achieved the political experience.
And also, it's the thing that's impressed me.
I haven't found anybody who's that kind.
That's right.
He's good with young people.
He's a shrug.
He's very deep.
He's a very fine guy.
He has a job.
The other guy, sir, the other one, I would like for Dent to pick a district for any cost to him.
I think he ought to run.
He doesn't have a job.
Now, he lived in Pipe's district.
It's very tough, where the Rockefellers got around a long time ago.
But Pipe may be too young, too evil, to be dislodged.
For anybody who's dislodged, there's a guy like Vinnie.
But then you check out Pipe,
But he ought to go, you know, I mean, and then if you decide now.
The other thing that, and if I feel terribly strong about it, then you can check immediately on this, on the building again.
Has he done anything about it?
Yeah, he says there's no problem with that.
Well, the building can get out.
Yeah, the building can get out.
It's not going to run.
And Hamburger is just kind of casking around and voting for something to do.
He had one of the overstate chairmen that didn't work out, so this is just another alternative.
He's a lawyer.
I don't know if he says there's no problem with working out something for Hamburger.
And he said the first place there's two districts, but the adjacent district is another older guy who is less conservative.
And that's been open also.
So you can put Hamburger in that one.
You can move around the district.
And he said, Amber, he's not the guy to run into in this district anyway because he's not in service.
He's not in service.
And he said, the first question, everybody in Pennsylvania wants Eddie to go, wants David to run.
Well, Jesse, all the others, I'll talk to them.
You know, there's a great, I know that.
We can only get David in here to run.
There's a lot of people in this area that are just working with David.
Because that wasn't going to hurt the United States.
It's cranked.
It's cranked, sort of pushing.
We also got to give Rizzo the support.
No problem.
We gave Coles to work on one side.
Coles, you up over here on another.
It started fairly soon.
Preempt the field.
That's what Harry said.
The field is basically open, which is why Hamburger was looking at it.
Hamburger would be considered.
Thank you, David.
There's no question.
And all we need is you to work out David's going to do it.
Now, I hadn't thought for David's job, I don't think he can work for the Foundation or for the government.
But is there a way that he can work for the Centennial?
Or is that the government?
I'm not sure.
I think when we find out, maybe it's not David.
ADI, he certainly can.
Huh?
ADI, he certainly can.
There's no problem there.
That's the only thing I can tell you.
Goddamn, what a hell of a congressman he is.
And also, he is a man that will go up on, no question, with the team, with him and with Julie.
They'll go up, they'll go through this, through this.
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First place, he's got a solid seat.
He'll never get rid of getting out of that seat.
A couple of other very young people.
I want Chick to come in.
I want her to come in.
I want to thank you for working with me.
He does seem a little emotional, I think, but if you want to be sure, he's solid with work.
All right.
Finally get to this meeting.
Strong.
How about strong?
Strong's all set.
He's done music very nicely.
He's already moved over to USIA.
I just want to thank him for his work.
That'll be good.
Right.
Does he settle?
Dwight, Dwight, you've got to do business.
He's only six years in business.
Ten years of working life.
Everybody around this place loves them.
They really do.
Julie, all the family, my wife, my mother, everything.
It's a great thing to live up on and work there.
I told Julie, I said, you know, you know, it's a great job.
They're both young ones.
Stronger than the sensation of what's going on over there.
This goes away.
Gray over there, I know that's white hair.
White hair, clear track, over there.
Boy, that's got 10.
The black guy's a comment.
He's got a strong head, two hairs, and shape of the watch.
I don't know.
Shape of the watch.
Shape of the watch.
Now we're up.
That's rough.
That was rough.
It's too bad he has to get out of town, but once out, I get back with him.
He invites me to get back in, back drive him for a while.
You know, it's a little base.
You know, I'm just goddamn sorry about that, folks.
Can you do it, too?
Let's wait until we get something settled, and then let him come in and tell you about it.
One, I would suggest that there are other people that I would suggest when you have a minute to just be in life, that you write in the internet a lot of times.
Because that would be more to Jacob than anything he could do.
I'm trying to understand it because I'm strong in people.
I probably should not have done that, but Jacob was.
I got you.
I don't care what the hell we did or did or anything like that.
I just know some people are in prison.
This prison actually is white and very close to one another.
It's just turned out that I was attached to a person in prison.
They're going to jail.
They're in prison.
They'll probably track those guys.
That's serial.
But there's some payoff on the end of all of them.
There could be some of them.
A lot of those are related to their kind of life after just participating.
I can see that they just found the first.
It was somewhere else in the record, but they found the first.
That alter identification.
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And we make more and more money by going out and getting other children.
But we don't go to some kids that did something wrong.
Some of the nice food in Captain Children's, I say some of them will be Captain Children's.
But the Captain Children's will get in on a bit.
Because the old Captain Children's already get in on a bit.
So they don't know why that's their church and all that.
And the new Captain Children's will get in here from time to time at Christmas.
I suppose that's the way to go.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't.
I guess I, it's just guessing.
It's cracked a lot, you know.
But you can work on it.
You know, I mean...
I don't know if they put together some cash to take care of these people.
I don't know where it came from.
I assume they were smart enough to do it and not have to be the same kind of traceable cash as the other stuff.
But I don't know.
Who would rip the door open and watch what's going on?
There's a straight back to the door.
It doesn't say anything about traceable.
It just says.
I want to see the black girl that he has in his office.
He is the one who conquered it and coming in and going for something.
He's studying it and staying.
Do you want your over-adjustments done?
Well, you know, what we talked about at the time about it.
That doesn't mean he gets it, but he wants it.
If that's the place for it, with a guy that doesn't want to over-adjust.
Well, he counts it.
I'm a specialist.
I want to be sure.
rather than taking a hack and putting it on the LEA or, you know, play our game.
Any more thoughts on that?
Just for the White House staff, if you want to direct about that, I don't know.
They all get that, but we all stand.
I don't have an anchor.
I go to California.
Why don't you go and stay there?
California?
Yeah.
The objection in California was that you couldn't come back and that's a fairly common objection.
Do you have a problem?
If you want to go to California, why don't you go and stay in California?
You shouldn't, that's, that's like, you, you just stay down in Philadelphia and watch the games on TV and watch battle on TV.
I don't think you have any problem with that, because they're honoring her, and you're doing the noble thing, the pleasure in the play, I think, instead of auctioning one time.
That's how much fun it is.
to do something else.
I'm going to church on Sunday, page four.
Where?
With Pat.
Oh, yeah, sure.
And physically go to church.
You know, a lot of people here are reading the story in the Monday paper, which is New Year's Day.
I'm going to church, or, you know, some, just a little informal, not a stage event, you guys can do that.
Yeah, we love that.
Of course, we never know what's going to happen in Vietnam.
You better have to agree.
For me, murder shouldn't be the only problem.
Would you revert to usual?
Absolutely.
No, it's different.
I haven't.
It's nice that it reminded me that everybody wants their ideas out.
It doesn't have to be heard of as hard as it might be.
It's just determined that I'm going to go with a very, very young program.
When you look at it in a practical sense, that's where you can really leave a legacy in this country that nobody can undo.
Everything we do here in Washington, D.C. will undo in a matter of weeks.
Can you bring me a pen or a pencil and a ball and a pencil?
Well, I don't want to do that.
I don't have any machines or anything else.
Do, do, do, do anything where you get internal appointments, especially when you're over here with people, where you lock them in.
I think those three old guys you put on the car would have said that before you left.
Don't look.
Burgership, hollow show.
About the undersecretaries.
The, I don't know, you know, John Burke.
I want a stronger person.
The sister secretary's on the other side of the yard.
Just so they're active.
Don't have everybody mislead you again.
I know what's on the letter.
The irony of it is that they're being out of Alex's shop and that's the post-mortem one.
It was an honest mistake but it was
You see, I like Krogh and other secretaries.
I'm sorry I had to be in the Grand Brigade because it's not needed there.
It's always good.
But we learned something else.
I'm sorry.
Terrible response.
I'm stronger as a secretary.
Stronger.
I...
I know we have to do it, we've got to find a place for it, but I do not think that Whittaker wants to do it.
I think it's better to just ban it, because Whittaker will handle more of it.
He'll do it very well.
or even if you've got to meet new people for agriculture.
You've been pretty hard for me, you know, it's hard, I know, for you to hear me talk to you about old friends like this from the countdown.
I just know that I've got a responsibility not to let this man get old.
I'll help you around.
Agriculture.
Okay, you're going to say you're going to take a district for both eddies, correct?
Yep.
Good to work with.
and get the data thing pushed off.
Actually, there's something sobering there.
And there's another solution that should go on with my water there.
I just know that however bad the day is, it's tough to go home.
But it's going to be there for me on that day.
I've always done that.
I've always been ready to promise.
I've always been nice to her.
To me, in all fairness to her,
Rose, for years, has been very good at it.
She's been healthy, strong, tough, and the rest.
Rose now is developing.
She's tired, old, and bitter.
And she's sometimes good, sometimes bad, but it's okay.
And so, by the way, Rose is good.
She is awful good.
At her best, for a record, she really is.
No, it wasn't something that I mean, oh boy, just step up.
But you should remember that that's her job and not an argument, right?
Yeah.
Well, on writing a terribly confidential memorandum, you're totally sure of the little one covering the table.
That's totally sure as you can be, yeah.
There's been no evidence.
Are you a little sure of the girl who works for you?
A little lady, but no lady should say no to her husband.
I mean, we don't know each other very well.
The both of them had such ample opportunity that I may want to write a memorandum of thanks to her.
The time I was worried about was during the election period.
Who?
The time I was worried about when many of those people were during the election period.
That's when if anybody won the league, it was recent.
If no one is close to anybody, it was not even good.
If anybody is capable of turning on your FCF, the one thing that you just can't do anything about.
What should I do with Webb?
Maybe get him slighted or something like that.
Great.
But the little one, that is never worried me.
The little one has been checked out.
Yeah.
Steve, she's, she's, she had access to a lot of stuff she could have.
On the 76th thing.
With the other occupants on her way.
Can't even give her this enough.
I think you give him a very high honor and kind of a position.
You've got a Jimmy Roosevelt on the studio.
That's only fair to you.
Jimmy Roosevelt is an Oscar.
And frankly, he's a legend.
He makes you sit on your chair.
It's your elevating guy who's...
Why are we not elevated?
Because you're elevated.
You know, it's all the wrong people.
It's all the wrong people.
It's all the wrong kind of background.
And it's not really right and simple for them.
I would probably be sure to turn off that level of writing down a lot of patriotic American things.
Here's a chance to really get to death in space.
It's just not a much damage.
In other words, you've got to keep the Republican act.
It doesn't mean anything.
I think the better name is the, rather than Republican Independent Party, it would be Republican Independence Party, which ties into 76.
Or how about we bet it's Independent Republican Party.
That's the one I think.
hierarchy for the independent person, the independent public party.
That's the way that you get to the shortening of that is the independent party, maybe.
Which is better, shortening it.
But I do want you to follow up on Tom, like, as of about today, uh, partying in a new way.
My point is this.
We shouldn't get out there.
I can get back to my home today and get a reason to trade.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
On Monday, we've done this over a year, but I want you to sit down and establish about four goals for the next four years.
Living on substance.
Early, early, we should put down 10 goals they have and all that.
From a political standpoint, dearly, we must destroy and discredit the old liberal discovery.
I found a very interesting column.
I read Buchanan's, and then I read Dick Wilson's column.
It was better.
Buchanan's is better in election, but Wilson's was better from our standpoint because Frank was on his own.
Keep up the shit up.
You know, I'm trying to go as close as I can.
You know, make sure that you take it off.
And, um, what do you think of the current overshare?
I'm closer to there than some others, too.
But, yeah, Wilson's the best.
You know, maybe he's better.
Wilson's the best, but he's going to bounce it out.
Keep fighting it.
Second point is that we want to build the majority.
Third point is that from a personal standpoint, we want to build the president as he is, the so-called compassionate side.
The majority is basically the party.
The fourth is to rewrite the history.
The fourth is to write this.
Building tomorrow.
Building the newest batch.
Building the majority and building the newest batch.
I was thinking you might work up a list and put it forward.
And I'll begin with profit price.
half of the other people in the administration are worth talking to about the philosophical side, you know?
So I'm trying to do things that are going outside the law.
There are some outside.
The earlier one is kind of re-established, and I think it's running to Charlottesville.
I don't know about your church over there.
And get it out of the way and get it maxed.
The way to get it done fast is to do it like a 9.45 or something.
Wait until just before the morning appointment starts, so there's no time to sit around.
So we don't drag.
And if you want to gamble, we'll say let us have a gamble later.
You can say we'll do it later.
We're getting good.
Come on in this afternoon.
I had another thought that was interesting.
Julian Davis would live in Washington, you know, when they come back in March, and you're going to have that commander check or the general or whatever it is about, very discreetly about how to keep it tough.
I don't want a special dispensation for him.
I must not do that.
They did it for John Eisenhower, but I don't think we should do it for David Davis.
Yes, we did know of a hurry to return to the office.
Right, you did.
Right.
If there are a group coming out, we put in all that stuff.
A major group.
Right.
That's what I meant.
But he must not come to special assistance to tell him, oh, you know, nothing.
If a group comes out, then he comes out with a sign.
Better if it's all together.
The point is, that's got to be worked on very fast.
And then I don't know where that would be.
But there must be perhaps right nearby .
I want a great big house with a nice house.
I'd like to get a nice house, frankly, with a big enough block where you can put our own pool and a place to go.
Really, just right up here on the front stall where you've got more privacy.
Front stall, closer in.
And here, are there any houses available at home?
What does that include?
Yeah.
Any other questions, please?
I think if you go, there's a problem.
There's a real problem.
I just thought, we're looking at a dirt stand.
There's a lot of poor George County floors, all of a sudden.
I know, we're all, I know, we are moving into, I know, we're so good, we're so very close in physical, but, uh, we're, we've got this little consciousness that has to do with it.
almost no yard and people had a door to us and it's new and there's four of them in a row and the people who bought the one next door put us on the pool in the backyard that's all there is in the backyard for me there's anything you want I couldn't because there's a big cherry tree in my backyard but it's the one for the tree the yard literally the yard is a third the size of this room and they still put a pool in it's a tiny little pool it fills our whole yard
The foxhole is just past George now.
And, uh... Get there fairly quickly.
You can get there in ten minutes.
From here, you can do it by rock-free parkway.
In fact, you can go out there and, you know, use the...
Well, they should pay for some part of it.
Yeah, it looks like it's a gift.
Yeah, I'll hold that.
Well, all in all, next week, with the Christmas party that we're doing, I would like to just pour the coal on, see all the assistant secretaries when I can, and so forth.
You know, to take the money from the people who are sitting behind the lines, right?
Like you said about the other secretaries, you don't want to see them, because then they'll put all of their comments to the party, and I don't want to see them.
Unless we want to use them for a purpose.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Round tables.
Black tie.
Bread wearing.
Young people.
Does bread wearing play a little bit?
Would it be useful if you were to set that piece by lifting it around?
Maybe better for you than for me.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
That's the other thing.
I think it's a hell of a good idea for you to ask people for their views and not make them think about some other stuff.
Because you value one, it does make them think about it.
Two, it makes them think you care about what they think.
Right.
I agree.
You don't need to read.
No, no.
As a matter of fact, I do read.
You know, like all those memorandums were prepared for the campaign.
They're very interesting.
They stimulated me.
They gave me a reason.
We went in one direction, another, this and that.
I can't do that.
I don't get it.
And my people are asking all these people for their views.
The one in the fourth grade told us the second draft was not served.
That's it.
You know, it's really been nothing like this has ever happened to this kind of system before.
He doesn't have a shift in character.
Well, the shift has a shift of names.
Who is going to be the specific character for getting down and saying, Lord, this is going to be a different game.
I'm trying to be loyal.
And I see a lot of that as we agree with the way the one that is still below the surface is going to move on over a period of time.
We haven't come forth with a radical change
They'll see it over time.
I think that's better.
That was the decision.
I think it was the right decision probably.
I went to that one on the PR side.
I wrote something else.
I don't like the White House back in the bad PR.
I mean, there were bad raps in the bad PR.
It was a good one for a goddamn good staff.
But, you know, I mentioned the fact that I'm at Watergate.
I'm ready.
I want to get myself cleaned up.
But it's important to you and Earl, and also, I guess he has some time.
But God damn it, it's just unfair to have it be in there.
But, you know, you've all carried out my orders.
In fact, Mark, you know,
They say, well, he's a son of a bitch, but this is his life.
The dough, the dough that comes with it.
I just don't like that kind of goddamn shit.
I mean, it was unfair to Adam, so it's not his heart.
He didn't care much about it.
Sorry, but I didn't care.
I didn't care.
Because I cut the dough yesterday.
I do this all the time.
I said, Bob, I'm sorry I haven't been told by some of you.
I'm sorry that you feel this way.
But I think it's true.
your meeting that I have and you'll realize you're wrong in time.
I said it doesn't make any difference except that on a personal basis, I believe you're the strongest advocate for the selection of a chairman.
I've felt you've been a help in the future in the way that you probably needed and wanted as a spokesperson.
And so it's made a disappointment on a personal basis to have you now come up with a feeling that I'm the one that's doing it.
And it doesn't make any difference.
As long as you get the thing worked out so that you come out looking positive.
Because you're the public figure and it's important that you look that way.
No, but some days you look back and sort of all of a sudden you'll realize you were wrong in your evaluation and that's probably just quite a great example of it.
So he backs off and says, oh, I didn't think it was you at all.
That's exactly what it is.
So you've got to say this.
And when you're on that, you've got to go to somebody.
Bryce.
Bryce can actually get hurt in the head.
How much do we want to give?
Not very much.
The reason is that, you know, I don't think you should give
He wants to get, of course, everything he wants to be in on the Vietnam federal to write the story.
I don't mind him on that.
I think of something for much more value in the long run.
I'm thinking of mine.
It's one of my very personal things that I quite believe in.
I believe in a fair amount of that simply because it's a good way to get it started and encourage the government to be off to a good vibe with it.
What do you write?
What do you write?
So far, it's getting a couple of great things.
We get the first real look out of the administration.
And I wouldn't give it a hell of a lot of that material.
But one thing I'd use it for.
One thing I want you to tell them, though, is that I don't want them to come inside my home.
That's the kind of thing I don't want.
I want him to observe me.
I want him to write about me, not let me work with him.
I think some of that would be very relevant to a book, whether it will revel in, will revel in a lot of great women.
I think she might.
I think she might.
Unless she decides it's unfair that he gets to see that.
That's the one thing some people will have to do.
Why should he get the book?
The answer to that is because he'll write.
The publisher cannot be the one.
For a little while, I thought it was going to be a good question for her.
I thought it was going to be a good question for her.
I thought it was going to be a good question for her.
I thought it was going to be a good question for her.
But I know he did before.
He was obviously making good money.
He lived in a very nice home.
But, well, that's been written before.
He's not good.
I don't know.
I don't know.
The other thing, I guess, is when you walk in here,
You see the strength received in him.
I know the situation right now.
You had to know a little about it.
Jake had to know a little about it.
What I had to know was something was going on.
You knew we were getting some information.
That's right.
But we didn't know.
That's a stupid thing to do.
I didn't know we were buzzing on that.
Or where I said it might be happening.
They were buzzing on the other side.
Perfect.
Perfect.
He had a, well, I'm not sure he did, but then what happened?
Honestly, I think what happened was Mitchell said this after I was out.
He did not get very close to contact with me.
We had talked about it earlier.
He would have some contact in New York.
He was out of our own area.
I don't know if he was in New York.
He pulled that back.
Pulled it out.
Set it up over there.
There's some money here on lack of information.
In other words, we weren't getting the right data.
That's what I did.
and the obvious stuff.
We didn't, when I asked for it, we didn't have tape recordings of non-vote and stuff.
We had a public speech or a special one.
I asked about it.
What the hell was that?
In the primary, so that we have on the record what Humphrey says about it.
And I was kind of very good at it.
The governor and all that stuff.
That's right.
And I pushed hard on that, but they weren't getting it.
Now, when I told this recruiter,
He didn't know much about this other algorithm.
He didn't know what it did.
He kept pushing that.
See, I shoot over to the menu.
Where is this stuff?
And he whacked that one.
And Libby's story is that the reason he did this bogey was because the router was lashing him so hard, supposedly, on getting information.
And then Libby moved out and did it.
Now, I know there is another factor in which David kept hurrying.
I didn't even know about that.
So we weren't pushing on that.
But we were pushing to try to get this extra information, which would not have required bugging at all, but it required this just any simple soul that they would order across the conference.
And I was getting pictures and words.
Do you remember?
I used to talk to you sometimes, most of the time.
Well, it's probably an issue that a provisional governor or a former governor is holding, not O'Brien.
The governor states that that might be one of the good combinations.
Now, if it's Kennedy, then it must be a libertarian candidate.
He wanted to strengthen the need to report something because there were some other things we could do.
And he has to be concerned, obviously, about how far he goes before.
Because the FBI knows a lot of stuff.
What if you're good at being an astronaut?
Ralph said the same thing he wanted to report.
The situation with regard to him, I just don't think that, frankly, he's the best man for the job.
I'd love to see that.
I'd go to a more fundamental one.
I'd love to see someone who's better than him.
My own opinion is the idea of just pulling it out sounds good.
It's good.
I don't mean to say everybody should pay for the rest, but I just don't like to hang around
You don't think Colson knew about the money?
all the possible problems because some of them are going to fall, some of them aren't, because you rely on other people.
So they all decide to go or get a partner if they currently work for them.
So then others have to do it, apparently.
There you go.
Keep it slow because it will be pretty loud.
Yeah.
I'm so ready to make a check.
It will be a terrible witness that you'll go through.
No matter how far you go, it doesn't get pretty fast.
It's not going to be as good as what it seems.
A lawyer told me.
You just go dumb.
You can't remember.
You've got to remember to go with that.
You can say it's the best way to say it.
Because he's emotional.
He's so good with people.
He likes people.
That was one of them.
It doesn't matter, at least not so much.
The only thing I can lean on is one area of the ball, and another area of the ball is just not bad.
Oh, well, it's just where they are now.
The other thing is that strong doesn't mean any harm.
Strong is involved.
Strong means much more than chicken.
Strong is everything that's going on.
It's basically something you know about.
You know about Watergate.
I don't think you know those things about it.
I don't know.
I don't know how much you knew.
I don't know how much you knew.
I don't think there's any problem with that.
I don't think so.
I think so.
We're cleaning the building up now and then.
Then they come for it.
Very important to watch.
Not the hundreds, the rest is all supported by the state.
We're going to have a fire plan later.
I said we want to do this on the product, but of course you can do it.
American conservative, you can go the other way.
I'm not saying we're strong.
That we can get answered.
It's got to be careful what I say.
I told him before he came in to see you, this is what's called an aneurysm, what you're understanding.
If you've got an aneurysm, you've got to get it, or not.
So I told him, we'll look at it for the last time, and we'll work on it.
And I told him, we'll look at it for the last time, and we'll work on it.
Systems, analysis, business, and all the other answers, and I started talking to him, and he said, I should have shared it.
I said, you're great, but you said you understood my problem.
And I was like, I doubt it.
He cannot do it.
He just can't do it.
It'll hurt Elliot.
It'll hurt Elliot.
He needs to get himself surrounded with a good guy.
I don't want the defense department to go offline.
And Lynn can't go there because he left about a cantonment.
And I'm going to have to be just told I will not accept Lynn.
under any circumstances that he left the administration.
I don't know.
Both of those guys are just, no matter how good a man, it's not acceptable to have him in this department.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I wonder what happened to the other thing.
That channel over there that had to go.
The person who was gone.
Yeah, it's down at this point.
The other thing.
Well, this is, oh yeah, he was trying to sort all this out again at some point.
All good, all good
I'm going to have Elliott go over and talk about what the deal is.
I mean, in general, in this question, I'm going to point things to the beginning.
We're going to have to get rid of the systems analysis.
Systems analysis, we're going to have to go.
They've got to cut down the size of the service account.
And an R&D.
The R&D, right.
By all means, I'm not going to see L.A. without the other guy.
I consider this a team.
What do you recommend?
We're going to have to watch.
We're going to have to watch.
We've got to watch.
We've got to watch.
We're going to have to watch.
We're going to have to watch.
Another little job to go to somebody else.
Peterson can do us a hell of a good service if they're a good staff.
Good, small, tough staff.
Another one that I mentioned to you was everything, you know.
Or are we dealing with a hacker out there?
Steve, I just say no, because I agree with you.
I'm glad he was the one who recommended it.
I think he's been doing a very good job working with him over the time.
This is Dave, my assistant secretary right now, right?
Yeah.
And then, head over to OTCB.
All right.
He's a good job there.
All right.
He's 54, University of Chicago graduate, served in a law school.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
All of our people, we all, all of our people who deal with him say he's been very responsive, he's very good, he's not super loyal, he has no personal tie at all with the government.
He's done everything he can to cope with it.
He's very confident.
But we should send him to another responsible position.
I guess so.
All right.
I think so.
I'll say I'm not like a hero man.
This guy is probably as good as a non-hero man.
I don't know about you.
What are you going to do?
Are you going to put him in this boat?
That's what we're suggesting.
We're going to have to see.
Right.
Right.
See?
And if you've got a good...
Where the hell are you?
Good evening.
Hello, Colonel.
How are you?
You're doing well, huh?
Yeah.
Have a good day, Donald.
Hello, Colonel.
Yeah.
By the way, did you leave the car before the session?
The session?
You started back?
Yeah.
Then it's 4 o'clock in the morning.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
We ended up on Saturday
Oh, my goodness.
Every day was one of the first two days.
I sensed the pain and stress he was expecting to go through.
He had to wrap it up in a couple of days.
He said, well, you know, he was just a patient, a wet bitch.
He didn't do a goddamn thing for two days.
He'd play a day, or a third day, or a fourth day to do that.
And he was suffering his way out.
He was suffering.
Right.
Remember this year, the way it was?
That's about right, except they have very little, like obviously we went over there with the company.
We didn't have to go that way with the company.
We had to move that away from the position that we had previously agreed to.
And without any effort, and like I said, we didn't have any money.
We had to do it ourselves.
Your mother got rid of it, but the man was gone.
He came and had to sell it to the dentist and was put on the
They don't, you know, they've been coming that way, that's right.
But, instead, they're going to be rejected.
And I raised this question with him several times when I started bombing people with these goddamn things.
He looked at me very well and thought, I think it was pretty hard for this thing.
All right, fine, we did it.
Well, in any event, no sooner did they agree on the issue than the next morning they were drawn to some intention about it.
Well, at any rate, finally, on Saturday, I got an idea.
So as of now, we have an agreement with one state court session which is requesting that this agency make an agreement earlier again with the second pastor to put in a sentence which established the
The fact that the DNC had the responsibility to go outside of the hundreds and just lay down for them and modify the law requires both parties to discuss the movement of personnel to the DNC.
This has the effect of just neutralizing the status of the DNC.
And as we have assessed our whole set of accomplishments,
That's you.
Well, our problem is that we've had devil visions every day.
We've finished six to eight hours, and we decided that we were going to sit down, and it was happening to me, and it was just as big, and I was stuck three to four hours a day.
So we were in that.
And I've been with this feeling, you know, for quite a few hours, and I've been wise enough to talk to this studio.
You know, we had it.
Chief Cumming, we thought, on Wednesday and Thursday, they said we were about to sign, and they definitely asked me to do it.
All right.
So this issue of the DMV, sir, is a goddamn crucial one.
As far as we're concerned, we put some compromise language out on Saturday, which if they buy, it's a good chance they will come back.
So the way I handled this issue with the Marines anyway, we were very negative about any compromise on the DMC.
We had this met by the Marines they agreed to earlier.
And this was of great importance and it only remained an issue.
And they were declining us by their assistance.
on the modification of that country.
Providing us with the ability to deliver to you in the context of implementing the agreement.
I mean, we made that agreement about to press right.
Now, I think they're going to understand that.
And I used to pull, and I had no part in that.
Yes, because they had no problem.
There's no question about it.
The message that we were giving to them this week, they would come in the next day
Now, where we stand now is that we have the agreement, with the exception of the Tennessee Act,
We table on Saturday a compromise which would have put the language that the North wants up in another paragraph under normalization in relation to the North and South Korean government.
And it's changed it from the movement of personnel to the movement of other civilians.
And it's in the authorization of the movement of other civilians that we compare their position, but it's still
from an awfully tough military fire.
So Henry Saturday, I had to pull, I had to, he finished the meeting and the conclusion was not quite right.
He said they didn't have guards for a second.
No, there were two of them.
He said we can't go back.
They said they'd have to go back in the night.
Henry Saturday was one of them.
They got told by the lady, she's a masochist at this point.
She looked down on the side of the pier and said, no pressure, brother, you can't go on.
That's why we were faced with this vacuum of money that we had to fill so we needed to know how the experts were.
So it didn't look like it was a breakup.
It is not a breakup.
The problem is it made our code in a physical state collapse.
And we had to go through jails.
Whatever happened.
In any way, we now have a case where
You don't agree with that.
That's right.
I rejected it.
You rejected it.
I told the lawyer the same thing Saturday night.
And I go back and share it.
And I said, okay, to discuss this with you.
I think the best thing for us to do is to hold top off the track, and keep the compromise, and soften them up to that which is tough for a program like that.
And go one more step in the ground, and let it get back to you.
The idea is to create, for us to create a basis for breaking all the problems so that I can go on public rallying the American people is not a viable option.
It is a viable option.
That's something we have to deal with.
There may be other options, but that isn't one.
So, we're going to have to do that.
We're going to have to break, and we're going to have to bomb.
I wonder if you would click the red and call now, or is it your partner?
I, uh, I don't know.
I don't know.
I think that's what I'm trying to do.
I should do that.
I don't know.
Thank you.
I'll go on and pass it to him.
I'll pass it to him.
I'll pass it to him.
Now, we'll get there, and y'all start with one.
We're going to play a tough game.
We're going to lose.
We're going to lose.
Hello.
I hope we didn't get you up first.
That's right.
Mr.
Ambassador, I have a couple of personal things, and then one subject I wanted to talk to you about briefly.
First, to thank you for...
It's the very greatest way that you and Mrs. Supreme are helping our children on their trip.
They're looking forward to it.
It's been a high point of their travel and I just hope they aren't too much bother to good people.
Well, they called me in.
They just had a wonderful time.
There'll be good representatives over there.
The second point is that I wanted to thank you for, as you know, I'm sitting very much on top of these negotiations and so forth, and I want to thank you for this.
without you and your government.
Well, you know, we've got our problem, and I've handled that person, as you know.
And I've gotten that coming along, although it's tough.
I mean, I'm not saying it's tough, but you've got to use your government.
Now, basically, there's really only one issue left,
And the issue really, which is to me, I just think it's very, very hard that we understand how they can go back on what we have agreed on over the years.
And I just have to take a position on that, which is I want you to know that I'm not doing it in order to, you know, I don't want to give you an impossible problem.
But I have what's an impossible problem to you, you know, like withdrawal forces, and I've done it.
And on this one, like the PNC, you and I know what's the PNC.
Symbolically, we know also what it means as a matter of fact.
And on this one, we just can't let these problems fail because of that one item.
And I just want you to know that I, uh, uh, that, uh, that Dave reported to me, uh, about some compromise, which I suspect is due.
I just think we have to have the, I mean, we've read this language long ago.
It's the right type of language.
And, uh,
You know, hear it directly from me, you see.
Now, I don't say this for the purpose of, you know, I'll never do this.
I mean, for the sake of Canada.
Mr. Gretchen, that's when I hear government.
We've got to pay attention to privacy.
We'll go off the other end of the band, not that, but this is all we've been hearing.
And now is the opportunity, and frankly, I think the biggest step or the great goal that the president and I have worked together, you and all of us have worked for,
Out of the way, out of the way tomorrow, but just, just having this one clause where, where we have a, we have three in a clause, and then it comes around.
We just can't get it to turn, to stop.
That's, I just want you to know how I felt.
And, uh, I'll, uh, I just, uh, I'd just like to say, take one minute, and I'll take this here with me.
And I, there's nothing even, I just, uh, keep listening.
And if you've got any technical things to add, I'll have them say a word to you.
And, uh, I'll, uh, I'll stay on the line with you.
Do you have another minute?
Check it.
All right, here it is.
Come on.
Here it's out.
You see, Mr.
Ambassador, the compromise was something that, you know, everybody, you know, they're all retired, you see, we're all compromised, but then...
He hasn't reckoned with the fact that I've got to, you know, I've got to get other people in line.
And I guess the compromise won't do.
And it isn't all that important to me.
I mean, hell, the DMC is there.
It's written into everything.
And so to put it in some language about other civilians for lacrosse or the rest of that, I think it's just not good.
We need to have a talk break down about such a small issue.
You see, that's my feeling.
I want you to know how I felt here that we just had this, we're going to have to insist upon the original language.
And I just want you to know that
that if that is done, then we're going to be able to do other, that are very important, because, well, let me talk right now, let's look at North Vietnam, uh, uh, but then, then I can, I can get into the Congress, I can get some of that economic assistance, so what they need, I can do it with, uh, you know, a strong, positive tone, uh, that I want to do, because I have, uh,
I don't have the ability to help or defeat anybody or anything like that.
While those things were either side, both sides of playing victory, you will have it.
But the main thing is that it will, what we're trying to do here at Investor is to accomplish what you want and we want.
We want to remove this irritant between our relations.
That's the real thing.
We can't allow this damn place to interfere in the relations between the Soviets
Well, that was October 26th.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, I got...
I got my, you know, I had my date on, that's October 26th, but I said October, I meant October 26th.
That's right, that was the October 26th one, that's what I meant.
No, the October 8th one was the first one, right before they got this billed up.
But the point is, if we came to that position, we had agreement on it, and then, you know, we...
Right, right.
We just want to go to the language that we did agree to, and we want to fight against, have it done with, and we'll, I can assure you, we will have every possible support from our side, and we will also...
Well, if we can get, uh... Alex, would you go to 3 o'clock tomorrow?
I'll tell you what we'll do.
Let me see if I can get Henry to have a meeting at 3 o'clock tomorrow afternoon.
Would that be better?
Fine.
Uh, for what?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right.
I got it.
All right, I'll, uh...
Well, I'll get that back right now.
There were some attacks that we did in that way, if you could just say this.
They complete by, say, three or four and a half minutes.
I understand.
I can assure you that when I cross through with Simon, I can't tell you what they're going to do to you.
This is what's going to make or break the deal.
Okay.
Well, I know it's a bitch.
But you see, if you look at the other eye,
It's a great intention.
It's a great intention.
We're just, we're just right now, we're just a hell of a mess.
We should be in a position where we can say, hell, we won't go.
You see the mistake here, Al, we want to rewrite history, but it's just that
If we had not pressed for the election, we would be in a much better position.
Right after the election, we would all argue about it, bitch about it, screw around about it, and so forth.
We would bomb the hell out of it.
At that time, we would have to agree on it.
But as it was, we were pushing for the election.
Going down, we raised all these hopes.
And I know what I was done, and I understand it.
I don't second guess everything.
I look back and go, but I know you worked your butts off on both of these.
But I think you have made some progress in your life.
You know what I mean?
After all, Ray, if you were drafted and gone after as a veteran, but having made enough changes to his career, I think we need to pressure you a little bit more.
And so, let's do that right now.
Thank you.
What is the situation, Ray?
I have a couple of problems with that.
There are two problems with that.
One is that they need to be
Right.
Now, that's true, theoretically.
That's for two days.
Your message, your first two days, I can see that that's
There was no door.
There was no door.
I had no reason for this to happen.
We had a gun, apparently.
What they were trying to do was to do that.
I told my dad, I'll be honest, the last time I saw him was in the back.
And I said, hey, you know, I want to see you.
And he said, well, let's be sure of that.
I think for that, I think he's got enough to do, I think.
I think he's pretty good at that.
And the problem there was, we had a very clear plan.
It could never be accomplished.
So, we did that for him.
You can feel it if you want to settle down.
But we can't get ourselves used to holding this thing together.
We have to do more now than we've done before.
We've got to do more.
We've got to do more.
We've got to do more.
We've got to do more.
We've got to do more.
By the steps, you mean a violation must be one that is clear provocation.
In other words, that your view is that I ordered a bombing of an argument.
Now, let me tell you, if we order a bombing, it isn't going to be what this message can have.
I want you to realize that in terms of the violations,
It's not going to be 10 for 10.
At this time, if I'm going to take the heat of bombing in an hour, it's going to be the plan or his thing laid out for me.
With 52, we're going to take out everything that there is in the military, regardless of the attention that we're going to tell him.
I think that's what he's going to say.
So that he knows he's got a market position.
That's my view that it is.
If they want to test me once again, there isn't a meeting farting around like we're looking to pass.
Okay.
Well, that'd be a pain in this country.
There's a limit that some gunners can't keep in.
Yeah, there probably is.
But the real problem in this country
I don't know what the problem is.
I don't know what the problem is.
I don't know what the problem is.
I don't know what the problem is.
I don't know what the problem is.
I don't know what the problem is.
That's what we were able to do.
But we had a time where we said, let's rally.
We said, let's rally.
American people are all rallying.
And, you know, my name is, I ain't enough of that.
You can't get my cheer, cheer, cheer.
Even if they ain't got a cheer, they're going to say, oh, we did.
That's all.
We couldn't rally the people around.
Even if we could, we can't rally the people around.
Even if we could, we can't rally the people around.
Even if we could, we can't rally the people around.
I will practice.
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President says we've got to have a competition.
We've got to have an agreement.
There's a trick line.
In other words, there may be.
This is an agreement that we tentatively made on October the 8th.
And we've all asked for it.
It's not a provocation that I can get public support for.
But if we make an agreement, even a flimsy agreement, if it happens without tripwires, and it's the first time they've tripped a wire, I'll bomb the seminar.
And I will.
I really will.
I'm going to fart around anymore.
I'd love to go up to the United States and screw it around again.
Now, for example, if we don't get their agreement to go back,
Last time around, we got the DMV.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
They did the DMV and got that bunch of shit anyway.
In Korea, that was it.
And, uh, what have we got?
Let me tell you.
I have one thing I'm going to do.
Right up the wall.
Right up the wall.
You're going to spend with me on this.
I have something.
a former secretary of education and a former member of an ambassador from the old kingdom to the United States as an ambassador to one of the last
I want to make up some provocation so we can go over there and go catch some of them.
Okay?
There have been some dope stories with regard to
I just want a hard statement made.
The president's position regarding the election is exactly the same as he had said on October 1st.
All right.
There's been no change.
Let's go.
I hope.
But now, it's son of a bitch how they try to run me down.
That's right, just waiting on it.
It came out the other way.
Yeah, it came out the other way.
Yeah, it came out the other way.
It's not going to go to Saigon.
And Mark was going to Saigon.
I told him that, you know, I told him to go to Wall Street, you know, and I said, you know, I'd like you to go to Upper Chad.
And I said, Alex, you know, she's going to go to Saigon.
And I said, Alex, you know, we split that.
We'll follow the, you know, we'll follow the instructions.
The deal is that we're going to go back there and we're going to go back there.
It was the summit of a sea-far ground hole, too.
I've got a whole list of people.
I'm still talking.
I was just talking around.
We have to get a good video on this.
All right, here are a couple of his stuff.
All right, that's so fun.
That's the stuff.
That's perfect for a show.
That's that appropriate cut.
You can't go that far if you're going to cut it 33 to 30 percent.
Say we're cutting all these agencies 33 to 30 percent.
On the ground that more of the work will be done in the State Department.
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You know what I mean?
He's got strength.
He doesn't have strength.
He doesn't have anybody.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If there's no opening of the possibility that I
All right, now with the Vice President, I know he's had his job with him because he agrees with what we're doing.
But you see, the thing that needs to be done with the Vice President, and I'll get into that with you, is this.
He is going to be told this is not the BWOD that we made.
The purpose of this is only to go over and tell you this business.
I want to talk to you later.
I said, there's a BWOD that we made.
I said, then it would fall or fail.
It's just coming along.
And you are convinced that you as the leader of the Hawks, when you talk to all of them, you cannot get support for the economic deer notarily unless they go along with this agreement.
And that's the purpose of your visit.
And you're all for it.
And the east totally supports this point of view.
And he has no negotiating position or power.
Whatever.
There can be no changes.
Whatever.
And this represents the president's views?
Totally.
I mean, if we can actually do it, we'll talk about it.
I think we can, although I am not in an opportunity to talk about it.
If you can, I feel confident that you'll do it.
I don't know.
You'll talk about it.
I don't know.
You see, I can recall a lot of what he said.
A lot of those, a lot of those people, I will tell them, but they don't understand.
Well, I, we can't talk about it.
We can't talk about it.
We can't talk about it.
We can't talk about it.
We can't talk about it.
that he has no distraction, he has no leeway whatsoever, that there are no points subject to any provision on your major or cosmetic, that this is it, you're against, sign it, it's for you, and that's that, and if you do, what?
I mean, it's like, what are you going to do?
I'm not going to press this position before or after by saying, you know what, you know what, we got this right, that's where we get into trouble, as long as I can still say,
I think I can do it.
And I'll say this.
It's a somewhat similar thing in a curious way.
He was ready to take off in 1953.
And I didn't hire him.
He gave me a message.
He said, we've got to celebrate.
And he takes off and goes on.
And he said he was going to be hard.
He said he was going to cry.
I said, I know this country.
I have supported you all along.
But I said, under the rest of the circumstances, if you decide to go along, all American people will come.
I cried.
I really cried.
And the rest of them, this is terrible.
It's going to ruin my country.
I said, but this is it.
This is my message.
And I don't know.
And that's actually not true.
And that's actually terrible.
And that's when his whole success is dependent on how fairly he delivers his message.
And that's where I now thank you.
Great job.
And also, thank you, President, for the fact that we're going to deliver the music side of it.
The amount of praise, in other words, that we've got, that we deliberately recognize you for your work.
We're not going to put out any tripwires in it all over the place so that we won't have to rely on COO or some other agency basis for getting, for having a legal basis for intervening.
It says the United States needs a legal basis for intervening in Vietnam again.
This provides the legal basis for our president, who just has 61% of the vote, to intervene massively.
But he's not free.
That's right.
I spent that day with you once when I was a kid.
Thank you.
Then he would take off on Friday.
He would have been back.
So he would have just had that cross.
And he would take off either Friday or Saturday.
That's the latest time.
And he got a little sore.
On Sunday.
He was in the park.
And then...
Then go to Ben and Tom's.
We'll be at Ben and Tom's at Christmas time.
Sunday's Christmas.
You're already at Christmas.
Friday.
Sunday is the 17th.
Sunday's the 17th.
Then Monday
Yet again, I thank God, Tuesday and Wednesday, you know, now, it's been a long day.
First off, it's been a short one.
You know, I think it's better for me to go there.
I think it's very good.
I'll do it again.
Then we saw a flag on the way home.
Back here, I flew back here on Thursday and Friday the 23rd.
That's the day before Christmas.
That's what we're pressing up.
I wonder,
This works out, Bob, then maybe I should be in California.
Yeah, I would like to be in Florida.
I'd have to come up to Florida.
I'd love to come to California.
I'd love to go to California.
California is the western plan.
I can't even come back to California.
Go to Florida.
Go to California.
Yeah, that's not very safe.
The station is trying to save us another five hours of time.
Now, a long shot, especially.
Oh, this is a long shot.
If there's anything you can see there above the station, wrap that up and go in and out of the boat.
Alright, that gives you the reason for painting John White for Christmas.
And he needs to come back after Christmas to get water.
And he's out.
And he's out.
And he's out.
And he's out.
And he's out.
And he's out.
And he's out.
And he's out.
And he's out.
And he's out.
I'd like to go up to you on the bridge, if you could come.
But you don't want to be with them on the bridge.
You've got that promise today to come back.
But if you need help, he's here for you.
Of course, if he's at the point, you're going to have to go all the way up to him.
Oh.
Yeah, he may not be here.
He may not come up.
There's no point in coming back to Florida.
Go back up.
Well, I heard this thing.
I think it's a rock.
It's an X-ray.
I think it's a straight crawl.
You know, it's like a...
I don't know what it looks like.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
No, not the break off.
No, the compromise that he has.
Then, the compromise.
That's it.
The compromise.
Well, the compromise is a big thing.
It's sort of like reconciliation.
I'm hoping that he's going to meet me today.
I'm very excited.
Uh, tell me, tell me, do you, do you have one?
I'm just wondering how the president should not meet with any more of his fellow citizens.
Uh, I mean, I think we should.
Tomorrow, I mean, there's just going to be a lot of judges.
There's going to be a lot.
Let's just show them that that'll work.
Oh, that's it.
So he doesn't need to meet with the president to get behind him.
Now, he doesn't need to meet with the president to get behind him.
I mean, he'll be here tomorrow.
We'll wait and see.
I mean, he'll be here tomorrow.
We'll wait and see.
I mean, he'll be here tomorrow.
I'm worried about Tom.
Now, Henry's worried about Tom.
Great, I mean, great, great, great.
That's not happening.
But I don't, but we can't get, we need to talk to the next step.
We need to talk to him.
Because I know he doesn't understand.
But the vice president, that's, that's the real stuff.
It really is.
Regardless of how it comes out, I don't know.
But all right, I'll kill the rest.
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of the Ziegler fund.
Dave and I spent the morning going over the progress of the negotiations and developing instructions.
We're working on instructions for negotiating concessions for the market.
The next president will be working on instructions for the stock market.
We're going to be getting right back out on the progress of negotiating.
uh here in the White House uh with Jack O'Neill uh on uh developing instructions uh work instructions to the coaches that uh that tomorrow will be uh
I think I can get out there and get the hell out.
I'm going to stay here.
I've got a problem with you.
I'm going to go back out and leave.
I'll tell you what I'd like to do.
No, I'll tell you what I'd like to do.
No, what I would like to do is to take off.
I'd like to be home.
I'd like to be home.
We had to take a very, very strong line now on the...
I'm sure you want to share about this.
We're trying to do it, and it's already been thought about that.
You've got a grave off.
I have to get it off the way of the plane.
The best is, now I'm going to have to watch it.
It's a different situation.
I know how.
And I know what we can do with it.
They're blacking around you.
Pick them up.
You've got complications.
They're up.
They're up here.
and that's it, right?
Because they will agree with the administration, but that's a good team, because that's the real challenge.
So we have to agree.
We've got to agree.
We've got to accept.
The real problem is you.
I mean, I have a decision.
You, but we can't.
Let me cover something.
Oh, I'll ask.
I'm sure it's a problem.
I don't know what it is.
Thank you very much.
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So there you separate these guys, right?
You know, but that's the principle of this deal.
You have this principle of the deal.
You say that you're going to go.
You said, well, we'll have to go.
You have to go.
You have to go.
You have to go.
You have to go.
I think they're going to win it.
You know, I think communism is a goddamn vicious system that will never, never spread.
And there's any other system that needs to be compared with it.
Where are they going to get themselves?
They didn't get in Greece.
They didn't get in East Germany versus West Germany, did they?
Where was the flight?
You know what I mean?
And that's why the war is starting to take place.
We're going to be looking at those, and they should be touching track.
And the other wheel, get over it.
Now you can keep playing it like a question, and it's not going to make you feel good.
It's going to make you feel good.
You're not going to be able to handle it.
You're not going to be able to handle it.
Okay.
Now, and you've got to make a deal.
Either way, that's the knocker line.
Now, in other words, if we are saying that we want that I've got to go back to your regular language, we'll make it possible for you to talk to my wife.
You can't get nominated for a brand new movie.
You can't get nominated for a brand new movie.
You can't get nominated for a brand new movie.
You can't get nominated for a brand new movie.
You can't get nominated for a brand new movie.
What do you want me to do?
Thank you.
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We just did it that way.
Is that the only way television can be on television now that you're with us?
No.
Because it won't be television if you don't.
You don't know if that's important or not, that is.
The question is, you know, who is she on?
The question before is, you know, who is she on?
If you want to be seen by the nation or not, I would argue that it would be on television.
Why do you think you need this spot if you want out?
Because you have all these people taking care of you.
You're going to have to try not to take care of them.
If you're going to carry your injury, you're going to have to deal with the psyche.
It's a highlight.
If you were watching, it would be something about your relationship with Congress.
You know, that's what makes it a little easier to look at all the shit about Congress.
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Bye.
Thank you.
Why did we do that?
Thank you.
Okay.
I don't know.
He was very confident about what he had to do.
I really didn't hear him.
I let him get on track.
And I knew what I needed to do.
And I was like, man, he's a girl.
I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to do.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Everything in this goddamn conversation just changed completely.
I just don't think I can go back.
We're at the back of your life.
I want you to be my friend.
The more I think about it, the more I think about it.
I don't know.
Thank you very much.
The reason he saw her was because he had kind of a nasty ass and full of bullshit.
And he knew who she was, and she was famous, and she's pretty.
He wanted to show her off for 90 seconds.
That's why he saw her.
There are all bad reasons.
God damn it.
He's given everything he can.
He's judgmental.
He's not as good as he was.
Maybe it wouldn't work.
How do we know what's going to happen?
We can't.
We can't know what's going to happen.
The main thing is, we tried.
We've done our best.
That's good.
Now, we're going to be here four years.
We're not going to look back on a goddamn day.
That's what we're going to be.
That's what we've got to get through.
We're going to have it a little time.
and the journalists are going to get back to the students.
The students are going to riot again.
I said, look at it.
But if they do what they do, the students don't care.
They want to go to the water.
It's not their fault.
They don't want to go to the water.
They're going to be disappointed in the fact that we're over.
Absolutely.
Congress will then say, journalists will run around.
The journalists will run around.
You said why it wasn't?
Why didn't they go?
But I'd like to bring any of that to comment on their situation.
What is that?
Skip all the eyes and ears and all that sort of stuff.
These are the ones you have to have.
So the president said you can have them now.
But, you know, the thing to do now, though, is to fuck Henry up.
Fuck him up.
So, you know, he's got to be upbeat, confident, legitimate, strong.
You know, no, no, no, no apologies.
No, whatever it is, you've got to hang on.
You've got to hang on.
You've got to hang on.
You've got to hang on.
You've got to hang on.
You've got to hang on.
You've got to hang on.
What did you do?
I think that's it.
But I think, too, early in the study, not in the public, but in terms of the people who do it all along with it, I think the beauty of it, get out the broad bush,
I didn't even have a place for me to have an office.
I was different.
I didn't have an office.
You really think this, this whole.
As far as the pitch to the country, it's not.
we had some good ideas but we didn't get them carried out and we didn't we didn't we don't have a one that we
Elliott was in this morning.
He raised the point of defense.
I'm going to talk to Henry about this, but I think he's right.
It's good to have some arrangement with Elliott.
They said Elliott had a good history.
I think so.
It went well.
But Elliott is still probably not a good guy.
I trust him.
He's right.
But Elliott's point is that we need a stated, specific, overall
And so what our defense posture is, what our military, our world military posture is, it means we get it for our own country, our own people, we get it for our Congress, and we get it for our enemies, and we get it for our allies.
I don't know whether it does or not.
The outside world, either this country or our enemies don't believe it.
And we probably don't believe it ourselves at this point.
We argue people are going to maintain a strong defense and balance versus the threat.
But what does that mean in terms of our basic defense strategy in terms of
Then once that's established, then you relate all of what you do in both cutbacks and build-ups to that specific database that you're doing.
That's basically right.
We've also done that in the whole domestic area, but we don't have a number of that clearly articulated symbols.
You're really not talking about philosophy.
You're talking about strategy.
God, I'd love to have him.
Having won the election.
We're not going to change anything.
There's a lot of things that drastically change as far as the result of the election.
Nobody can say that we get the health majority today.
It's about why.
You know, well, that is the one.
I was certainly trying to get back in that way.
What he's trying to do is anticipate so he's part of it.
That isn't all bad.
I wouldn't bother this time with the others.
I don't, I think there's nothing.
Very good.
All right.
Is there anybody that's been praying to the outside?
Is there anybody that's been praying to the outside?
Is there anybody that's been praying to the outside?
You're in a lot better shape than I am.
John could be there to serve as the official greeter for the people who's been present this past year.
But I'm sorry, what are you going to do?
Did we pay?
Or did they pay?
No, no, no, they didn't.
The park service, the park service, the park service, the park service, they had to run it down.
Walker is pretty.
Yeah, it made one cut.
Walker is also kind of interesting.
I've got a couple of the other, uh, fire detectives, uh, able to do this.
Is there anybody else in the hard stop that we could, uh,