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Nixon & Bull on Presidential records and Documentation

Monday, June 4, 1973 · 1:49 PM–1:55 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 3 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation442-023 on Tape 442StartMonday, June 4, 1973 at 1:49 PMEndMonday, June 4, 1973 at 1:55 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 442-023 ↗

President Nixon directs his aide, Stephen B. Bull, to locate specific historical files or documents, specifically expressing interest in materials dating from the 16th. Nixon emphasizes the importance of these records, requesting that Bull organize them for review to assist in his ongoing arguments. The conversation concludes with Nixon instructing Bull to gather the relevant information so he can address the contents directly.

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Yeah.
Ziegler said he gave up the hate.
He expected victory.
But now, see, I'm really more interested in the 16th, I'm really more interested in the grades before that.
So, why don't you, I've got it on file right now, 16th, because I recollect how that was good.
So why don't you try to find, or can you do that, find the right one?
How long is that?
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
I think everyone already had a laugh.
Get that.
Anything I'm arguing, I'm just going to put it on.
Get that pile up and we'll go after it.
Okay.

On June 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:49 pm to 1:55 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 442-023 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 442-023

Date: June 4, 1973
Time: 1:49 pm - 1:55 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with Stephen B. Bull.

[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was initially prepared for the
Watergate Special Prosecution Force (WSPF) and can be found in Record Group (RG) 460, Box
172, “Transcript Prepared by the Impeachment Inquiry Staff for the House Judiciary
Committee…,” pages 39, 38, 40 (.pdf pages 43, 42, 44). The Nixon Presidential Materials Staff
reviewed the transcript and made changes as necessary. This transcript has been reviewed under
the provisions of the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act of 1974 (PRMPA).
The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[See also Conversation No. 039-073]

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  • 039-073 1:49 PM · 4 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 1:49 pm to 1:55 pm.
  • 039-074 1:55 PM · 17 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:55 pm and 1:58 pm.
  • 442-024 1:55 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:55 pm and 1:58 pm.
  • 442-025 1:55 PM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:55 pm and 1:58 pm.
  • 039-075 1:58 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. talked on the telephone from 1:58 pm to 2:00 pm.
  • 442-026 1:58 PM · 57 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:58 pm to 2:00 pm.
  • 039-076 2:00 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 2:00 pm and 2:27 pm.
  • 442-027 2:00 PM · 11 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:00 pm and 2:27 pm.

Conversation 442-023, June 4, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/442-023 (accessed October 1, 2026).